Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2)
There is perhaps no problem with Swing itself. But java is perhaps not suitable for fat client - type apps while it is a great language for the server side. As I always say that the market decides what stays and what not. Let's take a look at the job market say dice. How many are there for Swing develpoers and how many are for J2EE? Let's take a look at the desktop apps. How many huge apps are written in Java Swing and how many are in C++,C or even VB? If Swing were so great why do so many companies even prefer a lesser language such as VB to Swing for fat clients? Java's uccess attributes solely to its capability on the server side. Without J2EE, java would have died a long time ago. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, my post did look kind of ugly. It really wasn't directed at any person, just at the words. I've been programming with Swing since 1.1.8 and finally I am able to do it for a living. I've heard all the Swing stinks arguments just like I've heard all the EJB stinks arguments. But I've built applications using each that don't stink. It took me a long time to get good at AWT/Swing/Graphics in Java. Years. The applications that people commonly use for a point of reference, such as Limewire, just don't illustrate what these APIs can do. You haven't seen what's behind corporate firewalls. JFC exposes much, graphically, that the underlying windowing toolkit has to offer. There is nothing stopping you from taking a blank panel, a Graphics2D and implementing your own layout managers and all your own controls. And they won't be slow unless you write code that doesn't take a Thread from point A to point B on the shortest route possible. In fact, they have a good chance of being awesome. But, you can get tangled up in large method stacks if you don't scour the source and examine a lot of stack traces, if you just blindly use the APIs and recommended coding styles. I've criticized Swing too. The main problem with it is that the authors used private and package-private fields and methods everywhere, making subclassing difficult and in some places nearly impossible. Library designers should use protected unless told otherwise. There are other criticisms but that's my main one. But, it made me mad when I started reading all these articles about SWT and Eclipse and how Swing sucked. I didn't want Sun/JCP to ever buy that. People parrot that stuff. I want Sun/JCP to keep on working on it and keep on making it better. It has come a long way and you can do ANYTHING with it if you invest the time instead of looking for some framework or plugin to do everything for you. Anyway, I know, I'm on the wrong list. All I should have said is: Good Swing code is anything but crap code. Erik -Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 10, 2005 3:38 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) Hey, back the testosterone truck up Erik... You want to disagree with the opinion? Fine, no problem. I don't think Swing is especially good. Show me where I'm wrong, I'll listen. No need to attack someone over something as trivial as saying some technology sucks... unless you created that technology, and even then it wouldn't be terribly appropriate. Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a load of crap. Swing doesn't suck, you just suck at it. Erik -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 10, 2005 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) On 8/10/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember having to deal with some Swing code that was created by a junior programmer using some IDE (I forget which frankly, it's not on the market any more - I want to say it was IBM's old one before WSAD, but I might be wrong). The code was such an immense tangle of crap it still makes me shudder to think of it all these years later. The original problem is that Swing does not have resource files. Apparently, Swing designers thought that Swing apps would have been fluid and resizable, and it would have been hard to stick all fluidity into a simple resource file. And now you have it. Swing code is crap even when it is well-formatted, with these unwieldy listeners and a forest of interfaces. There are nicer ways to create event listener than to implement an interface with bunch of methods in it. And now we are switching to why programming to interfaces thread. Swing is a clear example why programming to interfaces is sometimes such a pain in the butt. Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,
Re: Main class for a struts webapp...
--- O. Oke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone please tell me where the main (public static void main...) class of a Strus web application can be found. To put it another way, when I click a button in an HTML form, which main class kick starts the chain of processing that eventually leads to my action class being executed? Thank you. Struts is in fact a servlet. Servlets do not need a main in order to run. Instead, they are registered with your servlet containers such as Tomcat. And then Tomcat will run them. I would suggest you read a servlet book or tutorial before you learn Struts. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MVC Question
--- Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/2/05, Kent Boogaart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my question is: is the action form considered part of the model? If not, what? Struts does not provide anything for the model. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Xu: One of the reasons why you see a lot of PHP apps is that there are always a lot more small apps than large scale ones. I can not imagin you program a large scale site using PHP. If you are an OO guy, I could hardly imagin you even would like PHP(mixing all server side code with html code). There are a lot of java intranet applications you will never be able to access. PHP has its niche in the small app domain. It is fine. But it will never be at the same level as Java. I do not understand why you think PHP is more popular than Java. Let me ask you one simple question. Why are there so many more java jobs than PHP jobs? Anyone will tell you it is because there is a lot more demand for java. So you get the idea. With the advent of JSF, Java will be even sexier. I have long wished for something like asp.net code behind in C#. Now we have JSF code behind in Java. If asp.net can be a big success, why can't JSF? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: html:messages help
if (!messages.isEmpty())
saveMessages(request, messages);
use addMessages(). saveMessages has been deprecated.
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html:messages id=message
lic:out value=${message} //li
/html:messages
/ul
You left out the message attribute. Set it to true.
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html:messages id=message message=true
lic:out value=${message} //li
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Re: html:messages help
Try the following... Don't forget to import struts-bean.tld %@ taglib uri=/WEB-INF/struts-bean.tld prefix=bean % I think it is better to use struts-tags when possible since they were designed for Struts. ul html:messages id=message message=true li bean:write name=message//li /html:messages /ul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Spring on Struts
I believe one of the important reasons why Struts is still going strong after 5 years is that it is very efficient and has a relatively low learning curve than other component-based frameworks such as tapestry,JSF and so on. With tools such as Creator, JSF apps might be easy to start. But to write a non-trivial JSF app, it requires a deep understanding, which I believe is harder to grasp than Struts. --- Access Denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the seemingly endless barrage of Java-based MVC frameworks, Jakarta Struts is still the king of them all. Craig Walls and Ryan Breidenbach, Spring In Action (Manning 2005): 347. buddy :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Last time the price tag I checked on these 2 idiots was 0/hour. Is this your personal playground to make fun of H1Bs or a struts list? Hey, do not hate the players. Hate the game. --- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandon- Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these premises The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at 1c/hour which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers' This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your usage habits.. Viel Gluck, M- - Original Message - From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org; Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never complain and just take their 2 cents an hour. And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D Brandon On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having the wrong religious views we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect views) get work in Germany Vielen Danke, Martin- - Original Message - From: Christian Bollmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT] On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote: Hi, Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM: Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read your terms of employment, and the reference to IT acceptible use policy that you inadvertantly agreed to. (the below has nothing to do with Mark).. For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use of the press etc). Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon, I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons, including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of e-mail usage and the like is another issue. Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company email domain name to post on sites such as swingers or transvestitepride, I think I should have right to terminate his or her's employment. What I have a problem with is ... 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone today talks about tolerance. But what does this mean? What it ends up meaning is There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments. But what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant' are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that disagrees with their view of tolerance. There are many views I could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet, somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state All views on X,Y,orZ are equally acceptable. To me, and many others, that later position can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy. In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in- cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to eternal doom, the same as they may tell
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
Mr Yan: For most of us here this is not a game but a livelihood If I go to China or India I understand that am a guest in that country and aware that I must not abuse and or break the laws of the country.. Calling someone that makes fun of others an idiot definately does not break any law in the US. Remembering that it is against anti-discrimination law here to denigrate or vilify anyone according to ethnic and or racial heritage (even US Citizens).. Calling someone 'an idiot' based on ANY grouping criteria as you have here is clearly discriminatory it is also against anti-discrimination law to make fun of minorities. Hahah, you are such a big idiot. Can you even reason logically? Ha you can not since you do not have a brain. In your case I would suggest that you are not Remembering that you are guests here of my country I am asking is that you and your fellow guests extend the SAME courtesy as I a US Citizen would extend if I was working in your country. Haha again, I guess you would be a coward in a different country becuas you will NOT defend yourself when the natives make fun of you. And now you are an idiot + coward. I dispise you. That is to respect and obey ALL the laws of my country and that ALSO that your words and behaviour should extend respect to ALL of its citizens.. I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. Remember also that any US Citizen can file a complaint against any H1B with the INS so in your case I would caution you to be careful what you say from now on. I will tell you that you can do whatever you want. Just remember not to flinch in a different country becuase you will be victimized by idoits like yourself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
--- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFL Oh ya! My mom can beat up your dad! hahaha +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations [OT]
--- Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yan Hu wrote the following on 7/8/2005 1:29 PM: I respect good people(regardless of races) not an asshole like you. My mom can beat up your mom. -- Rick Do you have a Mom? Come on man.. Be strong. I understand how tought life can be without a Mom? But try to talk as if you had one... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Tools do not matter? Wrong
Do you yealy think people on level of Craig, Husted, Clinton, Linus, Marti C, etc. use painters? Or that you are not productive? Guns don't kill. People kill. Tools don't matter. A good developer is key, and you are not going to get one at $10. How many people are out there like Craig and such? Tools do not matter? Go take a look at the US defense budget. Are you saying F22 is useless? Because of all the tools(toys) that the US has, she could kick anyone's ass on this planet. Without all the toys she got, would she try to restore DEMOCRACY in Iraq now? If tools did not matter, why have so many software companies poured so much money into IDE development? If Craig thinks that Creator is uselss(as you said tools did not matter), why is he still working hard so hard on it? Are all those people dumb? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IDE Wars (was Struts vs World)
What w/ F22 and Democracy being invoked. Hahaah. You can not even understant what the anaogly I made means. I doubt your ability to reason logically. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET???
I believe JSF will kill Struts in 2 years... --- Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code the framework. On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic text editor. My consideation is based on the cost of software development. Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: before your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500 lines (remember those setters and getters and configuration files.) Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your project is 1.5 times than before. Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish those projects will be 1.5 times as before. Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Rick Reumann To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters. Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set methods, so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding Struts apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm used to using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla.. everyone just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard, whatever:) It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools to create Struts apps. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET???
--- Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is like comparing apples and oranges. The level of coding knowledge in this thread is way low, way low. In fact, people were comparing J2EE with .NET. instead of Struts vs .NET since they are apple and orange.. The subject is misleading... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
www.verizonwireless.com uses Struts... Check it out.. The site is slow. However, I do not think it has anything to with Struts. Struts has a relatively simple and clean structure. If a site that uses Struts appears slow, it's backend or middle tier must be lacking... People who often say Struts is slow do not know what struts really is. If JSF is proven to be as efficient as Struts, It will be a huge success. I am a big fan of JSF --- Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How large is large? I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large, to show you the right one. Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore? leon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2005 18:30 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Dakota Jack, Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if they don't agree with you? You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss them and technologies according to your claims. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Dakota Jack To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700 You only have this experience because you clearly do not even see what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see nothing. On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote: The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code the framework. That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have more codes and configuration files than straight forward JSP+Javabean+taglibs approach that was done before. And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email). Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Dakota Jack To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700 The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code the framework. On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote: Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic text editor. My consideation is based on the cost of software development. Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: before your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500 lines (remember those setters and getters and configuration files.) Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your project is 1.5 times than before. Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish those projects will be 1.5 times as before. Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Rick Reumann To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters. Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set methods, so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding Struts apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm used to using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla.. everyone just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard, whatever:) It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools to create Struts apps. -- Rick
Re: Struts vs .NET???
Here I totally agree with John Henry. Yes, you are a very good programmer if you could beat someone who uses FrontPage and you use only a text pad. This is no doubt. As the analogy I made a couple of days ago, you are too expensive. How long did it take you to be this productive? Obviously, you are expensive for all the hard work you did in the past. But a bum who needs only 10 dollars hours could do the same thing with FrontPage as you would. Why would I pay you 50 dollars an hours to just draw a couple of buttons on a form? --- John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic text editor. My consideation is based on the cost of software development. Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: before your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500 lines (remember those setters and getters and configuration files.) Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your project is 1.5 times than before. Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish those projects will be 1.5 times as before. Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Rick Reumann To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters. Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set methods, so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding Struts apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm used to using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla.. everyone just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard, whatever:) It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools to create Struts apps. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET???
Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10 painting. How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why .NET is creeping up so fast. As Rod Johnson asked, how many huge huge apps are out there waiting for distributed transaction management provided by EJB containers? . What does Java have to stack up against .NET on desktops? NOTHING. We are still strong on the severside although we lost quite a portion of the pie to .NET. If we lost our last stronghold on the serverside, you would all become bums(on top of outsourcing) no matter how fast you could code in your this pad and that pad. Thanks to JSF and other things such as spring and hibernate,we are in very good shape again. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET??? - Real Stats
--- Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yan Hu wrote: How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why .NET is creeping up so fast. After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as for java i tested it myself. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said there are much more jobs for .NET. How long has been .NET around? 2-3 years..right? How long has Java or J2EE been around? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts vs .NET??? -This is my Stats
All done on the US sites. www.monster.com .NET more than 1000 and 20 pages Java more than 1000 and 20 pages www.dice.com .NET 8490 listings Java 11159 listings www.indeed.com (an aggregator for all major job sites in the US) .NET 68,599 listings Java 63,451 listings When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Struts vs .NET??? - Real Stats
Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100 Million PIs / month, better 1 billion PIs ? I'd be really interested :-) You see you are missing the whole point here. I have been a long time believer that J2EE is good for big honking things. But .NET is eating up the small business sectors. I am talking about small to medium sized apps here. large sites also use .NET such as www.dell.com and I believe there are a lot more out there I am too lazy to google it right now.. I believe you could find them yourself... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath
...just trying to keep the conversation lively. ;-) by insulting people? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?
Maybe IDEs are helpful, It is not Maybe that IDEs are useful. It is that they are definiately useful. but if you can't do your programming in a straight text editor, you shouldn't be programming at all. When you programm in a text editor, you may very likely to have snytax errors. The java lib is so huge you can not possiably remember every single method name correctly. For example, you should have object.toString and you accidently wrote object.tostrig. You would catch this kind of errors in realy time due to code inspection on the fly in an IDE. In a text editor, you would catch it when you compile it or rely on your eyes(Your eyes work well when you are young and That is one of the reasons why we use Junit.. right? . Does it mean you do not know how to program? auto-generate some code (mostly awful code) but that's about it. If that is all the person(should not even be called programmer) knows, he is not supposed to be hired in the first place. Auto code generation should be used only for very tedious boilerplate code such as getters and setters... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking text editors
Hi Mark: Tell Craig to stop pouring money into Sun's studio creator. If you don't know not to call peoplemorons, get the heck off the list. Most morons think the majorty are morons.. --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yan, Us old guys still know a quiche-eater like you when we see one: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html If you can't debug with Lint, get the hell off the keyboard. ~mark -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] Stinking IDEs I have noticed over the years that those who are the most adamant about the virtues of IDEs are the worst programmers...and think emacs is a kid's meal from McDonalds. ~mark -Original Message- From: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:33 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking-ides.html It is the most stupid blog I have ever seen. Go back to the cave where you belong to. Maybe we should ask MS guys to use vi and Emacs too. Why do some people call them real programmers just because they do not like IDEs? Why 85% of the Java developers use Eclipse? You think they are all wrong and you are right? You should be thankful since Eclipse is such a good IDE and it is free. Haa. I know when you get too old, you tend to hate anything new due to uncertainty that the new technologies might bring to you Hey that is understable that you might still want to use Cobol or even assembly.. Why do you want to program in java anyway? You could do a lot more(control) using assembly than Java as you could program in the stinking text editors such as vi and Emacs. They suck big time. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Stinking text editors
Hahahha. Then we would be all morons. And so there will be no morons. Anyways, I perhaps should not have used that tone. After all, it is all about technologies not flamewars.And it is getting a bit too personl which is not right. I will stop first... And apologize to those that might have been offened by my messages.:) --- Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yan Hu wrote: Most morons think the majorty are morons.. And we're right. Dave Hey! You tricked me! Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots otained some benchmarks on Tiger and .Net1.1 using linPack. Tiger outperformed .Net. But why is .NET creeping up so fast? VS.net contributes to a great portion of its success. One of my friends is a NET develepor. I envy his speed of rolling out (small to medium sized) web applications like they were egg rolls. Only the market tells what is good nor not. You have one thousand sound reasons to back up what you claim. If the market says no, then it is garbage - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs
I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing. This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up. Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie. The market says the turd is good... So you will have to eat it or lose 40% of the pie and that number is still going up. Thanks to JSF, Spring and Hibernate, we can now fight back. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT]Linux server market share...
Since linux has clearly more then 50% of the server market Linux has never had more than 30% of the server market http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=P5013_0_6_0_C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is how wonderful VS.NET is
We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy ..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again .. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [OT]Linux server market share...
Even then, most of us will agree that 20.54% for IIS is about 20% to much 2 years make it even worse.. Search on monster for .NET and J2EE Compare the number of jobs and do the same thing at www.indeed.com,which aggregate everything from All big jobsites in the US. Job numbers for NET and J2EE on indeed.com is almost scary... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
WTF you expect from bums(they are not retards) is cheap labor The means do not matter too much. Only the end results matter --- Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF do you expect with retards writing code? Fire them, and hire smart people. Larry On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy ..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again .. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
hey stop personal attacks! I did not start the IDE war. I use Struts a lot. That is why I am on this list. Why are some of your guys so jumpy? Competition spurs innovation. I know it is not a good place to talk about IDEs. But I did not start it. Some of your guys only like to hear nice things... human nature.sigh.. I just hope that we could get as much of the server side as possible... What is wrong with that? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs
Hi Gregory: C# is a simple, clean yet very powerful language. I love it. I admit it is a bit painful to do the front develpment in J2EE. But we have JSF now which is just as good as ASP.net's server controlls. I believe it is better than ASP.NET 1.1. I like the idea of externalizing something(not too much) in XML files. Page navigations are one of the coolest futures in Creator I belive you have to hard code page-navigations in source code right? In JSF, page navigations are centralized, which is very easy to manage Oh, besides that, the business tire and data access tire is very easy work on now since we have spring,hibernate,toplink and other great OR mappers.. So for medium to large apps, we are very productive in the middle tier and back end .NET seems lacking in these areas... --- Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hate to feed the trolls, but... On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:35:50PM -0700, Yan Hu wrote: } Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took } only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is } better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots otained some } benchmarks on Tiger and .Net1.1 using linPack. Tiger outperformed .Net. } But why is .NET creeping up so fast? VS.net contributes to a great } portion of its success. One of my friends is a NET develepor. I envy his } speed of rolling out (small to medium sized) web applications like they } were egg rolls. Only the market tells what is good nor not. You have } one thousand sound reasons to back up what you claim. If the market says } no, then it is garbage I have never liked IDEs. I have never used an IDE that didn't get in my way more than it helped. VS.NET is no exception. Below I'll give you some reasons why .NET is popular that have nothing to do with the quality, or lack thereof, of VS.NET as an IDE. I recently developed an ASP.NET web app. This involved writing in the following languages: ASP.NET (JSP-ish), C#, CSS, and JavaScript. It was only because I could convince VS.NET to let me edit these files with Vim that I did not tear out all my hair. That said, ASP.NET beats the pants off JSP. I can tell you definitively that ASP.NET's custom web control stuff (both ascx files and just plain class instances) beats hell out of JSP's tag libraries. The EL is not a big enough plus to make up for the difficulty of wrapping functionality in a custom tag. I haven't done anything significant with Struts, but I didn't have any trouble separating model, view, and controller in ASP.NET. In addition, C# is what Java always should have been. Here are a few Java mistakes that are done right in C#: 1. The language and virtual machine are internationally standardized. 2. JavaBeans use a naming convention (get/set methods), rather than first-class, syntactically clear, reflectable properties. (Yes, you find the methods by reflection, but they are properties because of the naming convention, not because the reflection API knows anything about properties.) 3. Namespaces (packages) are hierarchical in name, but not in scope. 4. The source filename must match the (public) class defined in it. 5. The source file must be located in a directory hierarchy that matches the package hierarchy to which it belongs. 6. C/C++ precompiler directives were simply dropped, rather than fixed to be less prone to misuse. 7. Receiving an event requires implementing an interface, with its associated method(s), and calling a method on the event producer to register the handler; producing an event requires writing add and remove handler methods, as well as writing a loop to invoke the appropriate method on each registered handler. What makes this wrong can be seen by comparing it to the C# event handling mechanism: a delegate type (essentially an OO function pointer, which includes the object reference almost exactly like Obj-C's selectors) is declared to handle a particular event, an event is declared in the producer class of the delegate type, a method with the appropriate signature can be registered with the event using += and unregistered using -=, and the handlers are invoked by the producer class by calling the event like a method. Oh, yeah, and a class's events are available through the reflection API. 8. Special casing value types (e.g. int, char, etc.), rather than either making everything a proper object (like SmallTalk) or making it possible for developers to define value types. I'll admit that Java has gotten better with the release of 1.5, and about damn time. It has generics, which are not yet available in C# (currently in beta). It also has anonymous classes, which are primarily valuable for event handling. Java now has the enhanced for loop (C#'s foreach), automatic un-/boxing (C# has it), and typesafe
Anyone here use struts-layout tags
Hi there: I need to print a table with dynamic colum numbers. I know how to print the table using jstl mixed with some html code. But it is ugly.I used struts-layout tags to print tables with fixed colums and dynamic rows. Any suggestions for an elegant way to do that? Thank you very much. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making cleaning after forwarding to page
If a bean is in the request scope after forwarding to a JSP, the bean will be out of scope after the JSP is filled with the data from that bean. Why do you need to clean it up yourself? --- Ashraf Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dears, I want to know where to customize in struts 1.2.7 inorder to make some cleanup after the request is frowarded to the jsp page, something like servlet filter. As I already have RequestProcessor.processPreProcess to handle an any request before forwarding to action class, I need some way to make cleanup for after the JSP has been populated by data. The purpose of this is to handle the cleanup of Hibernate by closing it. -- Thanks, best regards, Ashraf Fouad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Struts validation questions
Hi there:
Thanks for clicking in first. I use ValidatorForm.
Class Myform extends Vaidtorform{
Various fields go here
}
But I would like to add some my own validation to it. Could I safely use
Validate()
Such as
Class Myform Extends Vaidtorform{
Various fields go here
ActionErrors validate(ActionMapping mapping,
HttpServletRequest request){
Add some my own validation here
return errors;
}
}
If it is ok to do so, whose validation goes first, mine or the default
validtor's ? Thanks.
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Re: Running Tomcat from Eclipse
Are we on a STRUTS mailing list? --- m Komma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using Eclipse 3.0.1, Sysdeo 3.0.0 (tomcat plugin for eclpse) and Tomcat 5.5.7 I was able to start tomcat from Eclipse until couple of days back. but now, when ever I start tomcat from Eclipse I get the followoing error message (I can start Tomcat if I check the box Don't run Tomcat in debug mode Of course, that means that I can't do any debugging.) Thread [main] (Suspended (exception NumberFormatException)) Integer.parseInt(String, int) line: not available Integer.parseInt(String) line: not available URI.initializeAuthority(String) line: not available URI.initialize(URI, String) line: not available URI.init(URI, String) line: not available URI.init(String) line: not available XMLEntityManager.expandSystemId(String, String, boolean) line: not available XMLEntityManager.setupCurrentEntity(String, XMLInputSource, boolean, boolean) line: not available XMLVersionDetector.determineDocVersion(XMLInputSource) line: not available JAXPConfiguration(XML11Configuration).parse(boolean) line: not available JAXPConfiguration(XML11Configuration).parse(XMLInputSource) line: not available SAXParser(XMLParser).parse(XMLInputSource) line: not available SAXParser(AbstractSAXParser).parse(InputSource) line: not available Digester.parse(InputSource) line: 1561 Catalina.load() line: 473 Catalina.load(String[]) line: 509 NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Method, Object, Object[]) line: not available [native method] NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Object, Object[]) line: not available DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Object, Object[]) line: not available Method.invoke(Object, Object...) line: not available Bootstrap.load(String[]) line: 243 Bootstrap.main(String[]) line: 408 Has anybody come across this problem? Any help is appreciated. Mallik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subclassing ActionForward
Hello: I would suggest that you use servlet filters. --- Lee Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to check to see if the user is logged in before performing any action, and redirect to the login page if they are not. For example...they have a page open and their session times outand then they click a button. Right now an error occurs because they are no longer logged in. I wrote a bit of code that if I put it in the beggining of an action class...does just that. But I don't want to have to put this in the front of each of my actions (particularly since I've already written a good portion of the app). Do I solve this by subclassing the action forward -- or in some other way? Lee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is struts more performant than JSF
Hi: I have been playing with JSF lately. I really like it since it is very intuitive. But as I understand it, JSF keeps a component tree for each page with JSF widgets in it on the server. So it is heavy weight compared with struts. Could I safely say that struts-based apps are a bit more performant than JSF ones? someone please shed some light on it... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A simple question about logging out
Hi: I came across a couple of articles about logout on the Web. They all do something like session.removeAttribute(user); session.invalidate(); Can I just use session.invalidate()? Would user be destroyed automatically when the session is invalidated? Thanks. By the way, i would rather gawk at gals than listen to my own rants if any. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Identify users
Hi: I have a question.I need to check if a user is the one who has permission to a certain action. His role is stored in the database, for example user.isStudent. The whole student object is stored in the session after he logs in successfully . From that point on, every time he sends a request that invokes an action , I need to verify if this student is who he claims he is. I could include a hidden field for example, his email in every page I send back to him and get this property back to verify who he is. I was wondering if this approach is problematic since he could manipulate the hidden field. Any better solutions to that?Thanks a lot! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie---Construct JSPs on the fly
Hello Guys: This is my first real Struts-based project. I am fairly new to Struts. I know some basics and tried a few toy examples. Now it is time for a serious one. My project involes students. Each student has her own page that might take her to pages that are customized just for her. I can not jus write a JSP page for each student. For example, a student is taking Eng101, Chem101, and CS120 this semester. I fetch from the database all the info for these 3 classes she is taking.I do not want to put all the info on the first page after she logged in. I want to have three links on the first page and take her to a sub JSP page for each specific class for example Eng101.jsp. There are lots of students. I cant write all the pages for them. In addition, it changes every semester what classes a student takes. My question is how do I construct JSPs on the fly? I will need to use Tile. What else do you suggest me to look into? Thank you very much. = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you all for answering Re: Newbie---Construct JSPs on the fly
Hello Guys: First and foremost, I wanted to thank you all for answering my question. I believe I can learn a lot of Struts skills and other related skills here. Thanks again. Yan Hu wrote: Hello Guys: This is my first real Struts-based project. I am fairly new to Struts. I know some basics and tried a few toy examples. Now it is time for a serious one. My project involes students. Each student has her own page that might take her to pages that are customized just for her. I can not jus write a JSP page for each student. For example, a student is taking Eng101, Chem101, and CS120 this semester. I fetch from the database all the info for these 3 classes she is taking.I do not want to put all the info on the first page after she logged in. I want to have three links on the first page and take her to a sub JSP page for each specific class for example Eng101.jsp. There are lots of students. I can t write all the pages for them. In addition, it changes every semester what classes a student takes. My question is how do I construct JSPs on the fly? I will need to use Tile. What else do you suggest me to look into? Thank you very much. = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- CM II Resolution Systems Inc. /-- never compromise. what if you compromise and lose? --/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
