Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is…
Sweet, VS.NET just decided to crap out on me and not open my project. Hmm, thank goodness for jEdit!! Larry On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy………..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again….. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is…
Larry Meadors wrote: Sweet, VS.NET just decided to crap out on me and not open my project. Hmm, thank goodness for jEdit!! Ah, jEdit. How come when I switch focus away from jEdit and then back I have to hit ESC in order to get back to the edit window? I HATE that! Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is…
I think Mark prefers NAnt these days... On 6/30/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UltraEdit and Ant my friends. It's all you'll ever need. Dave Newton wrote: Larry Meadors wrote: Sweet, VS.NET just decided to crap out on me and not open my project. Hmm, thank goodness for jEdit!! Ah, jEdit. How come when I switch focus away from jEdit and then back I have to hit ESC in order to get back to the edit window? I HATE that! Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
Dave Newton wrote: [blah blah blah] You know, it just occured to me that the quantity of off-topic posts on this list is a telling metric of the massive productivity gains we get by using Struts. By way of comparison, we see almost no off-topic posts from .NET users here, thus further proving that we have more spare time than they do. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
Dave Newton wrote: You know, it just occured to me that the quantity of off-topic posts on this list is a telling metric of the massive productivity gains we get by using Struts. By way of comparison, we see almost no off-topic posts from .NET users here, thus further proving that we have more spare time than they do. Or we're all out of work. Hrm... Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is how wonderful VS.NET is
We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy ..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again .. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
Yan Hu wrote: The other has no choice but VS.NET. Man, bums NEVER get a break. Need I go on? We're considering taking up a collection to pay you to not. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is…
WTF do you expect with retards writing code? Fire them, and hire smart people. Larry On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy………..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again….. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
WTF you expect from bums(they are not retards) is cheap labor The means do not matter too much. Only the end results matter --- Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF do you expect with retards writing code? Fire them, and hire smart people. Larry On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy ..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again .. Need I go on? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
At 3:27 PM -0700 6/29/05, Yan Hu wrote: We will use a WEB application as an example, especially the frond end. We have 2 bums on the street. We give them 10 dollars per hour to write a simple front end. One uses Struts or whatever J2ee MVC frameworks excluding JSF (using Creator). The other has no choice but VS.NET. The VS.NET bum walks in and looks at the graphs I drew ahead of time. And It will talk him 2 minutes to learn how to drag and drop and click a button to make that page work as a form and also a controller. The J2EE bum walks in and looks at all the tags, Actions, Actionforms and blah, blah. He starts to feel dizzy ..after a while. Now you will have to promise him that you would pay him more to get him going again .. Need I go on? Actually, no, you don't. Do you really think a list dedicated to answering questions for people who have chosen to use Struts is a good place to go on about a development environment that has nothing to do with Struts? I'm sure you can find someplace else. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Narrow minds are weapons made for mass destruction -The Ex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
-Original Message- I'm sure you can find someplace else. -/Original Message- Do you think so? Most probably he is everywhere else already banned for lifetime ;-) Alexander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
Yan Hu wrote: WTF you expect from bums(they are not retards) is cheap labor The means do not matter too much. Only the end results matter End results... Hmm... I guess if you don't need your developers to understand anything they're doing, maybe VS.NET _is_ a Great Choice. Of course, your total cost will skyrocket over time as you have to stick bags on warts on kludges to fix what the stupid bum did automagically, but if you define end results as being oh, look, I have a completely functional website with three mouse clicks. Of course, this can happen with Java as easily (almost as easily, anyway) as .NET, I reckon. That said, I have a quarter-million dollar .NET site I have to maintain/enhance/upgrade and I have had nothing but battles trying to get it to do anything it wasn't originally coded to do due to a developer writing in VS.NET w/o understanding what was Really Happening. My life sucks because of the ease of developing applications in VS.NET. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21) wrote: -Original Message- I'm sure you can find someplace else. -/Original Message- Most probably he is everywhere else already banned for lifetime ;-) I still think it's Mark. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
hey stop personal attacks! I did not start the IDE war. I use Struts a lot. That is why I am on this list. Why are some of your guys so jumpy? Competition spurs innovation. I know it is not a good place to talk about IDEs. But I did not start it. Some of your guys only like to hear nice things... human nature.sigh.. I just hope that we could get as much of the server side as possible... What is wrong with that? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: This is how wonderful VS.NET is
-Original Message- hey stop personal attacks! ... What is wrong with that? -Original Message- IF you had read my post correctly you would have noticed the smiley at the end... which makes it a joke between colleagues (you pretend to be one...) SO what's wrong with that? And then: This kind of jokingly harrassing people who defend the NON-Struts side of everything is one of the traditions in this list... so long and thanks for all the fish and have a disney day Alexander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
