New website look: taglib docs
html:base/ seem to have gotten a new attribute: ref It is not included in TLD supplied with 1.2.7, so apparently this is an 1.3 extension. If this is true, docs page should have since 1.3 note for this attribute. An example would be great too, kind of like this: Document root: /sf Navigating to action: http://localhost:8080/sf/Home.do; Action forwards to: /mailreaderpages/home.jsp Adding html:base/ to home.jsp page. Runtime expansion of Struts tag to HTML tag: html:base/ -- base href=http://localhost:8080/sf/mailreaderpages/home.jsp; html:base server=myserver/ -- base href=http://myserver:8080/sf/mailreaderpages/home.jsp; html:base target=window1/ -- base href=http://localhost:8080/sf/mailreaderpages/home.jsp; target=window1 I am also reposting my prior message on taglib docs. I am doing this just in case those of you who use GMail did not see the message delivered to a page now hidden by newer messages. Repost starts here On page http://struts.apache.org/struts-taglib/tagreference-struts-html.html (1) This is hardly readable: === cut here == base Render an HTML lt;basegt; Element Renders an HTML lt;basegt; element with an href attribute pointing to the absolute location of the enclosing JSP page === cut here == * Escaped tag angle brackets. * This particular snippet looks like it was copied right from Javadocs, the first sentence should obviously be removed. (2) On content note, the taglib docs always made me re-reading each sentence twice or more trying to understand what it was about. For example, here is submit element http://struts.apache.org/struts-taglib/tagreference-struts-html.html#submit This one is perfectly clear: value - The value of the button label. While this one left me scratching my head couple of years ago: property - Name of the request parameter that will be included with this submission, set to the specified value. Why it could not be simply property - the value of 'name' attribute. Still not good, both of these descriptions use value, which happens to be a meta-word. Such words as value, name, parameter, forward, redirect should be used very carefully if there is a risk to confuse an attribute name (here you have it) or a particular request method with a meta-word. So, I would change the first one to a simple: value - the 'value' of the button. or maybe would add some clarification for HTML-challenged people: value - the 'value' of the button (a button label, visible to a user). And the second one to: property - the 'name' of the button. or to a more descriptive for HTTP-challenged: property - the 'name' of the button (a request key) (3) It is yet another question why the attribute name is property and not just a name, but this question was possibly raised too many times on this list. The problem with this name is that a person knowlegeable of HTML would look for name, not a property. (4) property and value, being the most important attributes of submit element, should be emphasized with bold. (5) There should be examples for the most common usages along with generated HTML. (6) Recalling an old discussion of user-defined attributes in the tags, Struts should have it instead of redefining all standard HTML attributes and then explaining their meaning. Just define ones that are parsed and used by Struts, and leave all other attributes to app developer's discretion, just pass them through to HTML. We should trust developers who use the framework. Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new website look
http://struts.apache.org/struts-taglib/tagreference-struts-html.html (1) This is hardly readable: === cut here == base Render an HTML lt;basegt; Element Renders an HTML lt;basegt; element with an href attribute pointing to the absolute location of the enclosing JSP page === cut here == * Escaped tag angle brackets. * This particular snippet looks like it was copied right from Javadocs, the first sentence should obviously be removed. (2) On content note, the taglib docs always made me re-reading each sentence twice or more trying to understand what it was about. For example, here is submit element http://struts.apache.org/struts-taglib/tagreference-struts-html.html#submit This one is perfectly clear: value - The value of the button label. While this one left me scratching my head couple of years ago: property - Name of the request parameter that will be included with this submission, set to the specified value. Why it could not be simply property - the value of 'name' attribute. Still not good, both of these descriptions use value, which happens to be a meta-word. Such words as value, name, parameter, forward, redirect should be used very carefully if there is a risk to confuse an attribute name (here you have it) or a particular request method with a meta-word. So, I would change the first one to a simple: value - the 'value' of the button. or maybe would add some clarification for HTML-challenged people: value - the 'value' of the button (a button label, visible to a user). And the second one to: property - the 'name' of the button. or to a more descriptive for HTTP-challenged: property - the 'name' of the button (a request key) (3) It is yet another question why the attribute name is property and not just a name, but this question was possibly raised too many times on this list. The problem with this name is that a person knowlegeable of HTML would look for name, not a property. (4) property and value, being the most important attributes of submit element, should be emphasized with bold. (5) There should be examples for the most common usages along with generated HTML. (6) Recalling an old discussion of user-defined attributes in the tags, Struts should have it instead of redefining all standard HTML attributes and then explaining their meaning. Just define ones that are parsed and used by Struts, and leave all other attributes to app developer's discretion, just pass them through to HTML. We should trust developers who use the framework. Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new website look
Wendy Smoak on 30/10/05 16:50, wrote: From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone has an itch to patch the stylesheets, that's great. I added a 'theme' section to the website conversion Wiki Page: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebsiteConversion (at the bottom.) There are links to the two relevant plugins, plus Michael's list of suggestions. Feel free to add to it, or create a new page if you want. Then open a bug ticket as an enhancement, and attach your new stylesheet so we can take a look. :) Sorry but I didn't manage to get as far as I wanted with this over the weekend. I spent a while downloading and installing Firefox since I could then use the extension 'editcss' which allows you edit the CSS in the sidebar and see the effects as you type. Unfortunately I not only had problems with Firefox but also the maven '@import(url:/asdfasdf)' statements for the stylesheet link didn't work with editcss. Perhaps that was just as well since my graphic design skills are limited! Does anyone know why one would use the style@import(url:/)/style rather than the normal link href= syntax? I guess it works, but I just wanted to know why it's needed. Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Adam, I have a CSS editor in FireFox that seems to allow live editing and work with the @imports URLs on the new Maven-ized Struts homepage: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=60 Or directly at: http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ Short-cut: Control-Shift-E Long-way: right click, Web Developer, CSS, Edit CSS Regards, David -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:18 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: new website look Wendy Smoak on 30/10/05 16:50, wrote: From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone has an itch to patch the stylesheets, that's great. I added a 'theme' section to the website conversion Wiki Page: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebsiteConversion (at the bottom.) There are links to the two relevant plugins, plus Michael's list of suggestions. Feel free to add to it, or create a new page if you want. Then open a bug ticket as an enhancement, and attach your new stylesheet so we can take a look. :) Sorry but I didn't manage to get as far as I wanted with this over the weekend. I spent a while downloading and installing Firefox since I could then use the extension 'editcss' which allows you edit the CSS in the sidebar and see the effects as you type. Unfortunately I not only had problems with Firefox but also the maven '@import(url:/asdfasdf)' statements for the stylesheet link didn't work with editcss. Perhaps that was just as well since my graphic design skills are limited! Does anyone know why one would use the style@import(url:/)/style rather than the normal link href= syntax? I guess it works, but I just wanted to know why it's needed. Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi David, I know that extension although I hadn't installed it. It's getting better and better. Thanks for the tip. Adam David G. Friedman on 31/10/05 21:30, wrote: Adam, I have a CSS editor in FireFox that seems to allow live editing and work with the @imports URLs on the new Maven-ized Struts homepage: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=60 Or directly at: http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ Short-cut: Control-Shift-E Long-way: right click, Web Developer, CSS, Edit CSS Regards, David -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:18 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: new website look Wendy Smoak on 30/10/05 16:50, wrote: From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone has an itch to patch the stylesheets, that's great. I added a 'theme' section to the website conversion Wiki Page: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebsiteConversion (at the bottom.) There are links to the two relevant plugins, plus Michael's list of suggestions. Feel free to add to it, or create a new page if you want. Then open a bug ticket as an enhancement, and attach your new stylesheet so we can take a look. :) Sorry but I didn't manage to get as far as I wanted with this over the weekend. I spent a while downloading and installing Firefox since I could then use the extension 'editcss' which allows you edit the CSS in the sidebar and see the effects as you type. Unfortunately I not only had problems with Firefox but also the maven '@import(url:/asdfasdf)' statements for the stylesheet link didn't work with editcss. Perhaps that was just as well since my graphic design skills are limited! Does anyone know why one would use the style@import(url:/)/style rather than the normal link href= syntax? I guess it works, but I just wanted to know why it's needed. Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone has an itch to patch the stylesheets, that's great. I added a 'theme' section to the website conversion Wiki Page: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebsiteConversion (at the bottom.) There are links to the two relevant plugins, plus Michael's list of suggestions. Feel free to add to it, or create a new page if you want. Then open a bug ticket as an enhancement, and attach your new stylesheet so we can take a look. :) On maven-user, Brett mentioned that the stylesheet now has a fixed width left-hand column, so the next release of the xdoc plugin will include that change. (He also pointed out that Firefox was behaving correctly wrt the column width, and IE was not.) -- Wendy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just to keep things in perspective: The Struts site is not meant to be business-to-consumer. We are geek-to-geek :) The primary purpose of the site is to attract new committers to the project. We don't care about anonymous downloads, or marketshare, or any of that. We care about working together to create and maintain the framework that we ourselves want to use to build our very own applications. So long as the site helps us communicate between ourselves, and the site helps us attact new committers, then the site is doing its job. If someone has an itch to patch the stylesheets, that's great. Never settle for the best. But, the site is only a means to an end for us, and it's important to keep that end in mind. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/26/05, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm still in the Struts Classic camp at this point in time, but thats because my day job has 4+ years worth of investment in it and I havem't had time to evaluate the alternatives yet. It wouldn't surprise me to find that at least 80% of us are in that same boat :) I think the real question now is how soon teams will be ready to try Rich Internet Applications, including Ajax, and what is going to be the best RIA choice when a Struts Classic team is ready switch. Components and events are cool. I use them extensively every day. But, that's not a compelling enough reason to put aside years of stuff that ain't broke. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Usability Integrators typically will go thru all of a sites features test all links, make sure all backgrounds have uniform color, placement of menus doesnt hop about Use of CSS tags whenever possible and presents the same in all browsers Better to be a pain in the neck than someone who blindly accepts a user-hostile site Not to say this site is user-hostile Keep up the Good Work! M - Original Message - From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: Re: new website look On 10/26/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does that leave outstanding for the site, then? Michael, you've mentioned the background, and I think it can go in the custom theme stylesheet, if you want to suggest one. Does anyone have any other minor annoyances, things that have moved that you can't find, broken links, etc? Do whatever is easier, open a Bugzilla ticket with a suitably generic title to collect them, or just post it here. Well, I guess this is my karma to be the pain in the neck, but you asked for it, so here it is. I understand, that these are probably Maven's problems ;-) * I don't have any specific suggestion about background color, but at least for now it should be white, because ASF logo http://www.apache.org/images/asf-logo.gif and Struts logo http://struts.apache.org/images/struts.gif have non-transparent white background * Better yet, logos should have transparent backgrounds, especially considering that they are quite simple and do not require any specific background. In this case explicit background color is not needed, which I actually prefer. * Why Struts 1.3.x points to the same page, where ApacheCon ad is located? * Using as-designed font sizes in my Firefox 1.0.6, the left bar font sizes are too small, while the main pane fonts are too large. I would prefer just a tad larger for left nav bar, -1 for main panel text and -2 for h2 headers like Struts @ ApacheCon. (By the way, is there any chance to get to ApacheCon for lower admittance price? Or maybe there is an empty slot for a presentation? :-) ) * The border around topmost h2 header, the Struts @ ApacheCon is not aligned with top portion of border around left nav bar (You probably wondering, do I have to be *that* nitpicking?) * The width of left nav bar is proportional to window widith, which is wrong. * The width of left nav bar is not proportional to font size. * Page does not seem to have minsize, left nav bar does not have minsize too; window look ugly when its with is being decreased. Nav bar items get outside navbar border, common ugliness for CSS-controlled websites. * Fonts typefaces. Seems like the page uses default browser settings, which is usually a serif. I do not have a strong opinion here. Serif is considered easier to read, but sans serif is considered more professional, whatever that means. But I like the appearance of say, DisplayTag page http://displaytag.sourceforge.net or Java.Net website http://www.java.net Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ted Husted on 27/10/05 14:03, wrote: On 10/26/05, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm still in the Struts Classic camp at this point in time, but thats because my day job has 4+ years worth of investment in it and I havem't had time to evaluate the alternatives yet. It wouldn't surprise me to find that at least 80% of us are in that same boat :) I think the real question now is how soon teams will be ready to try Rich Internet Applications, including Ajax, and what is going to be the best RIA choice when a Struts Classic team is ready switch. Do you really think RIA is going to be so big? When I surf using my Handspring Treo mobile, I really appreciate websites that are lean and technically elegant and display on my screen. I can't even run javascript, so any RIAs are no-go for my mobile. I can't see javascript being implemented on this type of browser for a long time either. Plus there is always the issue that user interaction design is still in its infancy, and many people and companies and websites haven't grasped the basics of it for simple websites, let alone RIAs. Anyway I cant see how RIAs in browsers are going to make any difference to server-side architecture. They still have to deal with HTTP even if they hide it from the user. All pure hypothesising of course. Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Looks nice in Mozilla. Erik -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 25, 2005 8:41 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look On 10/25/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to try Frank's suggestion to fix the left-hand column, but it sounds like Ted is going to move the logo elsewhere. (Thanks!) So I'll leave it alone and see what you come up with. OK, I'm uploading a new site home page with a section promoting ApacheCon, but that leaves the image out of the sidebar. Should be online within a couple of hours. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I'm uploading a new site home page with a section promoting ApacheCon, but that leaves the image out of the sidebar. Should be online within a couple of hours. Very nice. Good thing, too, because my question about the m1 site plugin got _no_ attention at all. Everyone is focused on Maven 2. :) What does that leave outstanding for the site, then? Michael, you've mentioned the background, and I think it can go in the custom theme stylesheet, if you want to suggest one. Frank, did Ted's changes resolve the problems you were seeing? (Something involving Laurie's sidebar?) Does anyone have any other minor annoyances, things that have moved that you can't find, broken links, etc? Do whatever is easier, open a Bugzilla ticket with a suitably generic title to collect them, or just post it here. Thanks, Wendy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/26/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does that leave outstanding for the site, then? Michael, you've mentioned the background, and I think it can go in the custom theme stylesheet, if you want to suggest one. Does anyone have any other minor annoyances, things that have moved that you can't find, broken links, etc? Do whatever is easier, open a Bugzilla ticket with a suitably generic title to collect them, or just post it here. Well, I guess this is my karma to be the pain in the neck, but you asked for it, so here it is. I understand, that these are probably Maven's problems ;-) * I don't have any specific suggestion about background color, but at least for now it should be white, because ASF logo http://www.apache.org/images/asf-logo.gif and Struts logo http://struts.apache.org/images/struts.gif have non-transparent white background * Better yet, logos should have transparent backgrounds, especially considering that they are quite simple and do not require any specific background. In this case explicit background color is not needed, which I actually prefer. * Why Struts 1.3.x points to the same page, where ApacheCon ad is located? * Using as-designed font sizes in my Firefox 1.0.6, the left bar font sizes are too small, while the main pane fonts are too large. I would prefer just a tad larger for left nav bar, -1 for main panel text and -2 for h2 headers like Struts @ ApacheCon. (By the way, is there any chance to get to ApacheCon for lower admittance price? Or maybe there is an empty slot for a presentation? :-) ) * The border around topmost h2 header, the Struts @ ApacheCon is not aligned with top portion of border around left nav bar (You probably wondering, do I have to be *that* nitpicking?) * The width of left nav bar is proportional to window widith, which is wrong. * The width of left nav bar is not proportional to font size. * Page does not seem to have minsize, left nav bar does not have minsize too; window look ugly when its with is being decreased. Nav bar items get outside navbar border, common ugliness for CSS-controlled websites. * Fonts typefaces. Seems like the page uses default browser settings, which is usually a serif. I do not have a strong opinion here. Serif is considered easier to read, but sans serif is considered more professional, whatever that means. But I like the appearance of say, DisplayTag page http://displaytag.sourceforge.net or Java.Net website http://www.java.net Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wendy Smoak wrote: Frank, did Ted's changes resolve the problems you were seeing? (Something involving Laurie's sidebar?) Wasn't Laurie's sidebar in particular, just having any sidebar open in FF. But yes, that issue looks to have been resolved by Ted's change. Does anyone have any other minor annoyances, things that have moved that you can't find, broken links, etc? Do whatever is easier, open a Bugzilla ticket with a suitably generic title to collect them, or just post it here. Two suggestions... first, Ted's change I believe should be under a News section, or something similar, not on the front page. People visiting the Struts site and likely going to (a) learn about and/or acquire Struts or (b) look for reference material. The section titled Welcome To Apache Struts, the original first thing you see, I think still should be. Second, whether that happens or not, I really very much dislike seeing the line Shale: The Next Struts? and the part about all the different frameworks... why in the world should there be something that essentially says Thanks for your interest in Struts, it may be a waste of your time in 6 months as the first thing a new Struts developer may see? Seems rather contradictory to me. It'd be fine in a news section as I suggested, something you explicitly have to click to get to in other words. Frank Thanks, Wendy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM: fzammetti Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/27/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two suggestions... first, Ted's change I believe should be under a News section, or something similar, not on the front page. People visiting the Struts site and likely going to (a) learn about and/or acquire Struts or (b) look for reference material. The section titled Welcome To Apache Struts, the original first thing you see, I think still should be. I prefer it the way Ted has done it - IMO its a good way to promote ApacheCon and the Struts events. Plus this is only a temporary change for six weeks - we'll be reverting back once ApacheCon has finished - mid Dec. Second, whether that happens or not, I really very much dislike seeing the line Shale: The Next Struts? and the part about all the different frameworks... why in the world should there be something that essentially says Thanks for your interest in Struts, it may be a waste of your time in 6 months as the first thing a new Struts developer may see? Seems rather contradictory to me. It'd be fine in a news section as I suggested, something you explicitly have to click to get to in other words. First of all that is the title of Craig's presentation at ApacheCon and thats what the item is communicating, Secondly, Shale is a Struts sub-project and an alternative option to Struts Classic - posing that question is valid IMO. Different people within this community will give different answers, but the question is still valid. Also seems like a good idea that anyone new to Struts should be aware there are different choices available. That way they can go evaluate which they prefer. Personally I'm still in the Struts Classic camp at this point in time, but thats because my day job has 4+ years worth of investment in it and I havem't had time to evaluate the alternatives yet. Niall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/24/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Firefox 1.0.6 on W2K -- site is screwed up. So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. Yes, this is a problem ;-) Also, there is no background color set, so pages can look funny with, say, blue. Or green :-) As Frank mentioned, the site is generated by Maven, which means we are not (and do not want to be) in control of the XSLT and CSS that make it happen. You chose the tool, it does not work 100% correctly, should you choose another tool? The issue with logo may seem minor, but your position is disturbing to say the least. Digressing, may I ask, why Maven and not Forrest? If you find a minute to explain in two-three phrases, how these two relate to each other? Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael Jouravlev a écrit : On 10/24/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Firefox 1.0.6 on W2K -- site is screwed up. So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. Yes, this is a problem ;-) Also, there is no background color set, so pages can look funny with, say, blue. Or green :-) As Frank mentioned, the site is generated by Maven, which means we are not (and do not want to be) in control of the XSLT and CSS that make it happen. maven allows you to provide your own css for your projet. http://maven.apache.org/maven-1.x/using/site.html You chose the tool, it does not work 100% correctly, should you choose another tool? The issue with logo may seem minor, but your position is disturbing to say the least. Digressing, may I ask, why Maven and not Forrest? If you find a minute to explain in two-three phrases, how these two relate to each other? Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] You chose the tool, it does not work 100% correctly, should you choose another tool? That's one option. Another option is working to get the tool fixed, which in this case means researching the bug tickets for the Maven 1 'site' and 'xdoc' plugins and opening a new one if appropriate. Yet another option is for someone for whom the logo is causing a problem to submit a patch to remove it from the left-hand menu and find it a new home. The files are in /site/trunk/xdocs (navigation.xml, etc.). There are other options for the logo: http://www.apache.org/images/ (filenames start with ac2005us). Digressing, may I ask, why Maven and not Forrest? If you find a minute to explain in two-three phrases, how these two relate to each other? Forrest is a publishing framework, while Maven is a Software project management and comprehension tool (their words.) Maven does far more than just generate the website, it builds the project artifacts, manages a local repository of dependencies, etc. -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: David Delbecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wendy wrote: As Frank mentioned, the site is generated by Maven, which means we are not (and do not want to be) in control of the XSLT and CSS that make it happen. maven allows you to provide your own css for your projet. http://maven.apache.org/maven-1.x/using/site.html If someone would like to modify the existing stylesheet or come up with a new look for the site, we'll certainly consider it. :) I've asked on maven-users to see if there is a fix for the left-hand column problem in non-IE browsers. -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/24/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. +1 It's important for people to realize that this is our one and only website. We don't have a staging area or an internal site. This is it. The volunteers do want we can by running copies on locally, but at some point, we have to post the site and rely on the user community to help us finish the job. The good news is that after this initial shake-down, it will be easier to keep different segments of the site updated. Each subproject has its own Maven build, and each can be updated and deployed separately form the other subprojects. The same will be true for the subproject code bases. We will be able to distribute fixes for the taglibs without having to worry about whether other subprojects are ready to release. In the past, we have had fixes stuck in the nightly build for over a year, because some other aspect of the Struts monolith was not ready to ship. Maven is playing a key role in making it easier for us to improve and evolve Struts. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The problem only seems to manifest itself on Firefox with the sidebar open... actually, you get a similar yet different problem in IE with the sidebar open... In both, the nav column scrunches up right next to the main content text, but the image doesn't overflow in IE. I think the text scrunching up is acceptable, but the logo overrunning the nav column probably isn't. One quick-and-dirty solution is to supply your own maven-theme.css and change the width specification of the #leftColumn class to: width: 240px; This appears, for me at least, to solve the image problem. Probably not the ideal solution, but seems to work. Wendy, I think you mentioned that you can indeed supply your own CSS to Maven? Might be an OK thing to do until the Maven folks fix it for real. -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM: fzammetti Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, October 25, 2005 1:16 pm, Ted Husted said: On 10/24/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. +1 It's important for people to realize that this is our one and only website. We don't have a staging area or an internal site. This is it. The volunteers do want we can by running copies on locally, but at some point, we have to post the site and rely on the user community to help us finish the job. The good news is that after this initial shake-down, it will be easier to keep different segments of the site updated. Each subproject has its own Maven build, and each can be updated and deployed separately form the other subprojects. The same will be true for the subproject code bases. We will be able to distribute fixes for the taglibs without having to worry about whether other subprojects are ready to release. In the past, we have had fixes stuck in the nightly build for over a year, because some other aspect of the Struts monolith was not ready to ship. Maven is playing a key role in making it easier for us to improve and evolve Struts. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/25/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would like to modify the existing stylesheet or come up with a new look for the site, we'll certainly consider it. :) I think I'd like to try it as a section on the home page, rather than on the menu bar. This would also give us room to mention the Struts presentations at the convetion. I'll try to post something tonight. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wendy Smoak on 25/10/05 17:34, wrote: From: David Delbecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wendy wrote: As Frank mentioned, the site is generated by Maven, which means we are not (and do not want to be) in control of the XSLT and CSS that make it happen. maven allows you to provide your own css for your projet. http://maven.apache.org/maven-1.x/using/site.html If someone would like to modify the existing stylesheet or come up with a new look for the site, we'll certainly consider it. :) I've asked on maven-users to see if there is a fix for the left-hand column problem in non-IE browsers. Hey wow, can we have a kind of csszengarden competition with this? It appears that there is no table-based layout HTML, which is fantastic. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] David wrote: maven allows you to provide your own css for your projet. http://maven.apache.org/maven-1.x/using/site.html Hey wow, can we have a kind of csszengarden competition with this? Patches, including contributions to the website, are always welcome. David and Frank's comments prompted me to look closer at the site plugin. (I don't remember it having that many options the last time I looked...) Struts used to maintain its own XSL and CSS to create the site, which is something I'm happy to outsource to Maven. But the theme for the new site is indeed separate and easily configurable. Here's the default theme: http://struts.apache.org/style/maven-theme.css Have fun! Start a Wiki page if you want to have a place to link to different options. (And let us know if you need web space to showcase your efforts.) I was going to try Frank's suggestion to fix the left-hand column, but it sounds like Ted is going to move the logo elsewhere. (Thanks!) So I'll leave it alone and see what you come up with. -- Wendy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/25/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to try Frank's suggestion to fix the left-hand column, but it sounds like Ted is going to move the logo elsewhere. (Thanks!) So I'll leave it alone and see what you come up with. OK, I'm uploading a new site home page with a section promoting ApacheCon, but that leaves the image out of the sidebar. Should be online within a couple of hours. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Michael Jouravlev wrote: Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? Can confirm that on FF 1.0.7 but is fine on IE6. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 I also found the image problem on Opera 8.01 build 7642 and I can confirm the problem on FF 1.0.7. It's funny to see the resize work normally in my IE6 but not in those other two. Regards, David -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham Reeds Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:50 AM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look Michael Jouravlev wrote: Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? Can confirm that on FF 1.0.7 but is fine on IE6. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Seems to happen in FF when I have the sidebar open. Closing the sidebar and it looks fine, open it and the image overlap appears. David G. Friedman wrote: +1 I also found the image problem on Opera 8.01 build 7642 and I can confirm the problem on FF 1.0.7. It's funny to see the resize work normally in my IE6 but not in those other two. Regards, David -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham Reeds Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:50 AM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look Michael Jouravlev wrote: Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? Can confirm that on FF 1.0.7 but is fine on IE6. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jason Lea
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The rail problems also occur in Mozilla on my Red Hat 7.3 box. Other than that, the site looks good. It's about time people started using (window) target indicators. I always have thought the Apache sites have a good design, generally. But *please* don't put a site into production that you only have tested with IE (that goes for anyone). Erik -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 23, 2005 5:21 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Naturally someone can and should correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the site is generated via Maven plug-in, no? Assuming that is correct, wouldn't it fall to the plug-in developers to ensure it works across browsers and OS's? -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM: fzammetti Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, October 24, 2005 2:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The rail problems also occur in Mozilla on my Red Hat 7.3 box. Other than that, the site looks good. It's about time people started using (window) target indicators. I always have thought the Apache sites have a good design, generally. But *please* don't put a site into production that you only have tested with IE (that goes for anyone). Erik -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 23, 2005 5:21 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 (LOL) -Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:42 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: new website look Naturally someone can and should correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the site is generated via Maven plug-in, no? Assuming that is correct, wouldn't it fall to the plug-in developers to ensure it works across browsers and OS's? -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http://www.omnytex.com AIM: fzammetti Yahoo: fzammetti MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, October 24, 2005 2:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The rail problems also occur in Mozilla on my Red Hat 7.3 box. Other than that, the site looks good. It's about time people started using (window) target indicators. I always have thought the Apache sites have a good design, generally. But *please* don't put a site into production that you only have tested with IE (that goes for anyone). Erik -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 23, 2005 5:21 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: new website look Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Firefox 1.0.6 on W2K -- site is screwed up. On 10/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rail problems also occur in Mozilla on my Red Hat 7.3 box. Other than that, the site looks good. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Firefox 1.0.6 on W2K -- site is screwed up. So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. I know there are some broken links, and I'd like to get some redirects in place for things that have moved, but overall I'm fairly happy with it, at least on Firefox 1.0.4 at 1024x1280 with the browser maximized. ;) As Frank mentioned, the site is generated by Maven, which means we are not (and do not want to be) in control of the XSLT and CSS that make it happen. If there's something that isn't working or that you can't find, please let us know. (The problem with the logo has been noted-- it's on the list, but be warned that it's a very long list.) -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Left column is resizable with some weird width persentage. ApacheCon ad does not resize, and sticks out. Background is not set, too. On 10/22/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All, nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? Are you guys using maven2 yet? It just went production-ready. ;) Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] nice new fresh looking website. Is that the maven-generated one? Yes. :) Are you guys using maven2 yet? It just went production-ready. ;) Not yet... the m1 build for Struts Classic is working fine, so there's no rush to switch. And while m2 is final, there are still some things to be sorted out. (Maven itself is ready, but some of the plugins we need haven't stabilized yet.) I have started on m2 build files for Shale, though, if anyone would like to help: http://wiki.wsmoak.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ShaleMaven2 -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
