RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[D. Markt]

  Right, but your response and Dave’s are subtly different.  Dave implies that 
if there’s a strong consensus then maybe there’s no need for another vote.  
That’s not how the request for input was originally billed.  If that had been 
the case, perhaps Atanu wouldn’t have voted for option 12 and instead would 
have voted for 4G (for example).  That said, I applaud everyone’s hard work and 
passion on creating and picking the logo.  I’ve seen a company pick a logo 
several times over the years and someone has always objected to the final 
version as “ugly”, “stupid”, “unnecessary change’, etc.  It’s much like writing 
an installer or user interface—it’s a thankless job and all you’ll hear are 
those that think you did a terrible job. :)

 

--Dennis 

 

From: Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:28 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Nope, not yet on the official vote - still making sure everyone who wants to 
offer an opinion from China (or anywhere else, but Chinese New Year was last 
week so they were not thinking about Trafodion Logos, I'm betting...) has a 
chance.




---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com <mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com> 

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, D. Markt mailto:dmarkt7...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If we’re in 
it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the current 
options.

 

Thanks,

Dennis

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com 
<mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were a 
couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants to put 
up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.

 

I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a 
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?

 

Dave

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.


Option



13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt



Tina Krug

1

1



Sean Broeder

1

1



Sandya Sundaresan

1

1



Hans Zeller

1

1



Rohit Jain

1



Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1



Hai Lin (Henry)

1



Qifan Chen

1



Ming Liu

1



Narendra Goyal

1

1




Atanu Mishra

1


Carol Pearson

1

1



Venkat Muthuswamy



Amanda Moran

1

1



Jian Jin (Seth)

1



Christophe LeRouzo

1

1



Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 



Dave Birdsall

1



Kevin DeYager

1



14

10

3

1



 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau mailto:steve.var...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that 
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the 
dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com <mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the 
input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your 
consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a 
run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner 
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) mailto:ming@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon v

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Carol Pearson]

Nope, not yet on the official vote - still making sure everyone who wants
to offer an opinion from China (or anywhere else, but Chinese New Year was
last week so they were not thinking about Trafodion Logos, I'm betting...)
has a chance.

---
Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, D. Markt  wrote:

> I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If
> we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the
> current options.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
> a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
> to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
> revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 to 13
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's what the current vote tally looks like.
>
> Option
>
> 13
>
> 4G
>
> 8
>
> 12
>
> Ken Holt
>
> Tina Krug
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Sean Broeder
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Sandya Sundaresan
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Hans Zeller
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Rohit Jain
>
> 1
>
> Wei-Shun Tsai
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Hai Lin (Henry)
>
> 1
>
> Qifan Chen
>
> 1
>
> Ming Liu
>
> 1
>
> Narendra Goyal
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Atanu Mishra
>
> 1
>
> Carol Pearson
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Venkat Muthuswamy
>
> Amanda Moran
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Jian Jin (Seth)
>
> 1
>
> Christophe LeRouzo
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Prashanth Vasudev
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Dave Birdsall
>
> 1
>
> Kevin DeYager
>
> 1
>
> 14
>
> 10
>
> 3
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
> wrote:
>
> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
> Apache logo.
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, 

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall]

Hi,



There is no formal vote in progress now. I’m not sure we need one,
actually; if a clear consensus emerges from the community, that’s good
enough.



Sounds like there is a desire to let more opinions in, so let’s do that and
see where we are in a few days.



Dave



*From:* D. Markt [mailto:dmarkt7...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:24 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If
we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the
current options.



Thanks,

Dennis



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com
]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.



I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?



Dave



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosyste

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[D. Markt]

I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If we’re in 
it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the current 
options.

 

Thanks,

Dennis

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were a 
couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants to put 
up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.

 

I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a 
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?

 

Dave

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.


Option



13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt



Tina Krug

1

1



Sean Broeder

1

1



Sandya Sundaresan

1

1



Hans Zeller

1

1



Rohit Jain

1



Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1



Hai Lin (Henry)

1



Qifan Chen

1



Ming Liu

1



Narendra Goyal

1

1




Atanu Mishra

1


Carol Pearson

1

1



Venkat Muthuswamy



Amanda Moran

1

1



Jian Jin (Seth)

1



Christophe LeRouzo

1

1



Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 



Dave Birdsall

1



Kevin DeYager

1



14

10

3

1



 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau mailto:steve.var...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that 
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the 
dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com <mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the 
input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your 
consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a 
run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner 
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) mailto:ming@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?

 

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real 
:)  

 

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw 
a baby dragon?

 

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
favorite :)

 

My 2 cents. 

 

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how 
powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of 
design.

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Trying an attachment...

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) mailto:ming@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,

 

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot 
access Google drive .

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the 
following draft as a candidate: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhy

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Narain Arvind]

+1 for 13

 

Thanks

Arvind

 

From: Selva Govindarajan [mailto:selva.govindara...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:32 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Did I cast an invalid vote :) ? It is missing



   138

Selvaganesan Govindarajan  1 1

 

Selva

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.


Option



13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt



Tina Krug

1

1



Sean Broeder

1

1



Sandya Sundaresan

1

1



Hans Zeller

1

1



Rohit Jain

1



Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1



Hai Lin (Henry)

1



Qifan Chen

1



Ming Liu

1



Narendra Goyal

1

1




Atanu Mishra

1


Carol Pearson

1

1



Venkat Muthuswamy



Amanda Moran

1

1



Jian Jin (Seth)

1



Christophe LeRouzo

1

1



Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 



Dave Birdsall

1



Kevin DeYager

1



14

10

3

1



 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau mailto:steve.var...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that 
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the 
dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com <mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the 
input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your 
consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a 
run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner 
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) mailto:ming@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?

 

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real 
:)  

 

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw 
a baby dragon?

 

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
favorite :)

 

My 2 cents. 

 

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how 
powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of 
design.

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Trying an attachment...

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) mailto:ming@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,

 

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot 
access Google drive .

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the 
following draft as a candidate: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for 
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the 
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's 
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google 

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Selva Govindarajan]

Did I cast an invalid vote J ? It is missing



   138

Selvaganesan Govindarajan  1 1



Selva



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors 

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall]

Hi,



Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.



I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?



Dave



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deya...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serio

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Kevin DeYager]

+1 to 13


Here's what the current vote tally looks like.
Option
13 4G 8 12
Ken Holt
Tina Krug 1 1
Sean Broeder 1 1
Sandya Sundaresan 1 1
Hans Zeller 1 1
Rohit Jain 1
Wei-Shun Tsai 1 1
Hai Lin (Henry) 1
Qifan Chen 1
Ming Liu 1
Narendra Goyal 1 1
Atanu Mishra 1
Carol Pearson 1 1
Venkat Muthuswamy
Amanda Moran 1 1
Jian Jin (Seth) 1
Christophe LeRouzo 1 1
Prashanth Vasudev 1 1
Dave Birdsall 1
Kevin DeYager 1
14 10 3 1


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
> wrote:
>
>> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
>> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
>> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
>> Apache logo.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>> of the input that I received.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>> for a run-off.)
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>> option 4g.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>>
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>
>>
>>
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>> real J
>>
>>
>>
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
>> draw a baby dragon?
>>
>>
>>
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>> my favorite J
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>> kind of design.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying an attachment...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>> cannot access Google drive .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We als

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper]

+1

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau 
wrote:

> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
> Apache logo.
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Steve Varnau]

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall]

I’m happy with any of the logos. Slight preference for #13.



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared 

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper]

Hi Ming,

The dragon is there for the Welsh connection, which is why there was some
consensus while you folks where out on holidays.

If you want to suggest a whale, then I think you better provide the artwork
for consideration or it'll not happen. Hopefully, the dragon is OK enough
for us not to revisit the image but if you feel strong about it, then
that's the way to go.

Gunnar

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -  One color or multiple colors?
>
> -  Thin font or thick font?
>
> -  One font or two fonts?
>
> -  Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper  >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps alre

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper]

Hi,

For completeness (since I care more about consistent fonts than case)...

Lowercase or not has nothing to do with professionalism. Consider the logos
of amazon, ebay, facebook, flicker, intel, hp, citibank, macy's, bp, sears,
mapquest,xerox, and so on. Many companies have switched to lowercase as
part of modernizing their logos.Why? Because they want to appear more
approachable.

Here's a nice writeup to consider:
http://www.adherecreative.com/blog/bid/181249/The-Case-for-Lower-Case-A-Rebranding-Conundrum

The branding choice isn't about personal preference but rather the
following statement: "At the end of the day, it's not a good idea to stick
to the staple just because that is what you're used to in your industry. If
you want to stand out, you have to break the mold."

You learn something new every day.

Gunnar


On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

> +1 for 13
> +1 for 4g
>
> Don't like the lower case apache trafodion - I'm with Sean on that
>
> -Carol P.
>
> ---
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
> ---
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Atanu Mishra 
> wrote:
>
>> I like 12.
>>
>> Atanu
>>
>> 
>> Atanu Mishra
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the
>>> web site; that is, Telex?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
>>> selva.govindara...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>>>> possible in 8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Selva
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of
>>>> much of the input that I received.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>>>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>>>> for a run-off.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>>>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>>>> option 4g.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too
>>>> popular.
>>>>
>>>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth ,
>>>> and real J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we
>>>> can draw a baby dragon?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>>>> my favorite J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows
>>>> to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for
>>>> this kind of design.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>&g

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Carol Pearson]

+1 for 13
+1 for 4g

Don't like the lower case apache trafodion - I'm with Sean on that

-Carol P.

---
Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Atanu Mishra 
wrote:

> I like 12.
>
> Atanu
>
> 
> Atanu Mishra
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
> wrote:
>
>> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
>> site; that is, Telex?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
>> selva.govindara...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>>> possible in 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Selva
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>>> of the input that I received.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>>> for a run-off.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>>> option 4g.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too
>>> popular.
>>>
>>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>>> real J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we
>>> can draw a baby dragon?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>>> my favorite J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>>> kind of design.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ming
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying an attachment...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>>> cannot access Google drive .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ming
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version
>>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on
>>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but
>>> that's better done in a real designe

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Atanu Mishra]

I like 12.

Atanu


Atanu Mishra

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
> site; that is, Telex?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
> selva.govindara...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>> possible in 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Selva
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>> of the input that I received.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>> for a run-off.)
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>> option 4g.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>>
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>
>>
>>
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>> real J
>>
>>
>>
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
>> draw a baby dragon?
>>
>>
>>
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>> my favorite J
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>> kind of design.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying an attachment...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>> cannot access Google drive .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this o

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper]

Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
site; that is, Telex?

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
selva.govindara...@esgyn.com> wrote:

> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
> possible in 8.
>
>
>
> Selva
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certa

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Selva Govindarajan]

+1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if possible
in 8.



Selva



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache 

RE: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Narendra Goyal]

+1 for 4g

+1 for 13



*From:* Qifan Chen [mailto:qifan.c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:59 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for #4 for a balanced look and stable feel.







On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Lin, Hai (Henry)  wrote:

+1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.J



Henry





*发件人**:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月14日 8:50
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the wa

Re: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Qifan Chen]

+1 for #4 for a balanced look and stable feel.



On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Lin, Hai (Henry)  wrote:

> +1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.J
>
>
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> *发件人:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月14日 8:50
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
&g

答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Lin, Hai (Henry)]

+1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.☺

Henry


发件人: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月14日 8:50
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the 
input that I received.

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your 
consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a 
run-off.)

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner 
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.

Cheers, Ken


On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
mailto:ming@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Thanks Gunnar,

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real ☺

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw 
a baby dragon?

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
favorite ☺

My 2 cents.

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how 
powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of 
design.

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper 
[mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
mailto:ming@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot 
access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper 
[mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com<mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the 
following draft as a candidate: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for 
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the 
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's 
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google 
Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure 
it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem 
denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the 
puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be 
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US 
and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our 
traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

---
Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com<mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy 
mailto:venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, 
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com<mailto:c...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit Jain mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar 
Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran 
[mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com<mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<mailto:user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper 
mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Wei-Shiun Tsai]

+1 for 8

+1 for 13



Weishiun



*From:* Rohit [mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:37 PM
*To:* Ken Holt ; user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for 13



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Ken Holt 
Date: 02/13/2016 6:49 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, i

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Rohit]

+1 for 13
Rohit

 Original message 
From: Ken Holt  
Date: 02/13/2016  6:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal 

Hi
All,

 

A new set of Trafodion
logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.

 

One of these is a
clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and
hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use
Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a 
comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:








Thanks Gunnar,
 
I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?
 
The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real
J  
 
And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw 
a baby dragon?
 
And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
favorite
J
 
My 2 cents.

 
Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how 
powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
 kind of design.
 
Thanks,
Ming
 
发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]


发送时间: 2016年2月13日
 9:43

收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
 

Trying an attachment...


 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:



Hi, Gunnar,
 
Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
QiFan once
 has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access 
Google drive .
 
Thanks,
Ming
 
发件人:
 Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]


发送时间: 2016年2月13日
 4:31

收件人:
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

主题: Re: Logo Proposal


 

Hi,

 


Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the 
following draft as a candidate: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 


I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for 
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the 
gray hue
 (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done 
in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex 
Regular.


 


As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and
 I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.


 


Thanks,


 


Gunnar


 


 


 


 




 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson  
wrote:


We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem 
denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the 
puzzle
 ;-) .

 


I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be 
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US 
and at
 the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic 
comes from.


 


Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?


 


-Carol P.










---


Email:    carol.pearson...@gmail.com



Twitter:  @CarolP222



---




 



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy 
 wrote:



Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, 
presentation
 slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
 
Venkat
 


From: Christophe
 LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]


Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper 

Subject: RE: Logo Proposal




 
It seems we might need multiple votes:
- 
One color or multiple colors?
- 
Thin font or thick font?
- 
One font or two fonts?
- 
Apache or not…
 
What was Selva saying about engineers and votes?
J

-clr
 
 


From: Amanda
 Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]


Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 

Subject: Re: Logo Proposal


 

-1 all same color. 


 


I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove 
Apache  But I still like it the way it is 


 


Sent from my iPhone




On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:




But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read 
about it? 


 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wrote:



It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to 
those other logos that perhaps al

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Hans Zeller]

8 and 4g are my favorites.

Hans

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

> +1 for 13  AND 4g  (whichever looks good on slides and website finally. )
>
>
>
> Thank you , Ken  for going through all these iterations !
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multip

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan]

+1 for 13  AND 4g  (whichever looks good on slides and website finally. )



Thank you , Ken  for going through all these iterations !



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen  wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit  wro

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Sean Broeder]

I think my preferences lean toward the more traditional.  I like options 13
and 4g.  I don’t really care for the all lower case print, despite it
seeming to have support from others.  It seems too informal or
unprofessional to me.



Nice effort getting these together.



Thanks,
Sean



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit ; Gunnar Tapper 
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Che

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Trina Krug]

Now this is a tough one!!  I personally like the last 2 (8 and 4g).  I like 4g 
slightly better than 8 but they are both appealing.  

Trina 

> On Feb 13, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Ken Holt  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of 
> the input that I received.
>  
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your 
> consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a 
> run-off.)
>  
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner 
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  
>  
> Cheers, Ken
>  
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>> 
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and 
>> real J  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can 
>> draw a baby dragon?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
>> favorite J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My 2 cents.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me 
>> how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind 
>> of design.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ming
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com] 
>> 发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> 收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Trying an attachment...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming)  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
>> QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people 
>> cannot access Google drive .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ming
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com] 
>> 发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> 收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose 
>> the following draft as a candidate: 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for 
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the 
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's 
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google 
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure 
>> it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and 
>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion 
>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be 
>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the 
>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our 
>> traffic comes from.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Carol P.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are 
>> serious.
>> 
>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, 
>> presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>> 
>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Venkat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: Rohit Jain ; Gunnar Tapper 
>> 
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>> 
>> -  One color or multiple colors?
>> 
>> -  Thin font or thick font?
>> 
>> -  One font or two fonts?
>> 
>> -  Apache or not…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>> 
>> -clr
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: Rohit ; Gunnar Tap

答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Liu, Ming (Ming)]

Thanks Gunnar,

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real ☺

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw 
a baby dragon?

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my 
favorite ☺

My 2 cents.

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how 
powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of 
design.

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) 
mailto:ming@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw 
QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot 
access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper 
[mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the 
following draft as a candidate: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for 
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the 
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's 
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google 
Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure 
it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson 
mailto:carol.pearson...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem 
denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the 
puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be 
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US 
and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our 
traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

---
Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy 
mailto:venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, 
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Cc: Rohit Jain mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar 
Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran 
[mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Cc: Rohit mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper 
mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

-1 all same color.

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove 
Apache  But I still like it the way it is

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen 
mailto:qifan.c...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read 
about it?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit 
mailto:rohit.j...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to 
those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds 
quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

Rohit


 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen mailto:qifan.c...@esgyn.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 
user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Cc: Gunnar Tapper mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4