Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Gunnar Tapper
Hi,

I tried logo option #4 on the website. Screenshot located at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTZ0FFM2I0WnpwWlE

As you can see, the dragon itself works well due to the fact that the bulk
of the body is of a darker blue.

Alas, the font family doesn't work well with Telex (
https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Telex), which is what the web site
uses via the bootswatch theme. Overall, the font in the logo would be too
hard to read if applied to the overall website.

The light-blue color on the word "Apache" doesn't work either; it's better
to use the dark color from the dragon's body. The
"Transactional-SQL-on-Hadoop" slogan is lost due to the black font color of
"Trafodion", which is why I suggest a singular color for all of "Apache
Trafodion" — it's easy to add slogans underneath the logo with text that
way.

To me, this experiment validates that the logo itself is fine but there's a
little more work on the text associated with the logo to finish the job. I
am not suggesting to use the font in my earlier mockup but would like to
try Telex together with the darker text to see how that fits. It's too late
for me to try that experiment at this time so maybe tomorrow.

My two cents,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Option 4!!
>>
>> Trina
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>
>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>> all
>>
>> Thanks Ken!
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>> ---
>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> ---
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Weishiun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>&

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Rohit


-1
Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 
Rohit

 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> 
Date: 02/12/2016  12:50 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

Hi,
I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 
A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
Thanks,
Gunnar
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
Option 4!!
Trina 
On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer 
a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not 
fond of it overall...
But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all  
Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.
---Email:    
carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  
@CarolP222---

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan 
<sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The 
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J  From: Wei-Shiun 
Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon 
to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more 
professional (perhaps also in lower case). Weishiun From: Dave Birdsall 
[mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal Hi, I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower 
cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6. That said, either 
one is fine. Dave From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 option 4 From: Anuradha Hegde 
[mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 option 4 From: Ken Holt 
[mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most 
everyone liked that.But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular. 
Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name. Option 
4https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing 
Option 
6https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing 
Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field 
testing!Comments on 4 & 6? Cheers, Ken On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya 
Sundaresan <sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:I’d say there is enough 
“curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  
. Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie 
it in with the dragon’s colors as well.  From: Hans Zeller 
[mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an 
informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the 
carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better 
(although still not my favorite).
Hans On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> 
wrote:By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a 
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which 
I will make available when the debate has settled on something. I'll make a 
stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another 
version of that. Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes 
sense.Cheers, Ken  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> 
wrote:+1 on dragon. On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson 
<carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great! On the 
writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe 
we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?  Voting separately is a 
good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds 
like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what 
we vote on so at least the dragon carries. St.Ack   -Carol P.
-

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Qifan Chen
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.

Thanks --Qifan

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:

> -1
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
> Rohit
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Option 4!!
>>
>> Trina
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>
>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>> all
>>
>> Thanks Ken!
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>> ---
>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> ---
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Weishiun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Rohit


It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to 
those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds 
quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
Rohit

 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> 
Date: 02/12/2016  8:34 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and 
the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word 
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).  
With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by 
Apache" logo, see URL here, without the duplication of "Apache". 
It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. 
Thanks --Qifan
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:


-1
Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 
Rohit

 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> 
Date: 02/12/2016  12:50 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

Hi,
I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 
A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
Thanks,
Gunnar
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
Option 4!!
Trina 
On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer 
a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not 
fond of it overall...
But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all  
Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.
---Email:    
carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  
@CarolP222---

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan 
<sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The 
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J  From: Wei-Shiun 
Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon 
to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more 
professional (perhaps also in lower case). Weishiun From: Dave Birdsall 
[mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal Hi, I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower 
cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6. That said, either 
one is fine. Dave From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 option 4 From: Anuradha Hegde 
[mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal +1 option 4 From: Ken Holt 
[mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most 
everyone liked that.But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular. 
Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name. Option 
4https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing 
Option 
6https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing 
Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field 
testing!Comments on 4 & 6? Cheers, Ken On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya 
Sundaresan <sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:I’d say there is enough 
“curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  
. Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie 
it in with the dragon’s colors as well.  From: Hans Zeller 
[mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an 
informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the 
carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better 
(although still not my favorite).
Hans On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> 
wrote:By the 

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Christophe LeRouzo
It seems we might need multiple votes:

-One color or multiple colors?

-Thin font or thick font?

-One font or two fonts?

-Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Sean Broeder
I know there has been some talk of using lower case in Trafodion, but do we
want to extend that to Apache?  I’ve done some non-exhaustive searches and
can’t find any instance where the leading ‘A’ is not capitalized.  I think
we should follow that pattern.



Regards,

Sean



*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-  One color or multiple colors?

-  Thin font or thick font?

-  One font or two fonts?

-  Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



 Original message 
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNh

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-12 Thread Stack
'A' or 'a' doesn't matter I'd say.
St.Ack

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's better to stand out as long as it doesn't violates some rule... :)
> Carol might know the answer to whether lowercase does.
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Sean Broeder <sean.broe...@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I know there has been some talk of using lower case in Trafodion, but do
>> we want to extend that to Apache?  I’ve done some non-exhaustive searches
>> and can’t find any instance where the leading ‘A’ is not capitalized.  I
>> think we should follow that pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 12:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
>> traffic comes from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
>> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
>> serious.
>>
>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>>
>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Venkat
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>>
>> -  One color or multiple colors?
>>
>> -  Thin font or thick font?
>>
>> -  One font or two fonts?
>>
>> -  Apache or not…
>>
>>
>>
>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>>
>> -clr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 all same color.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
>> remove Apache  But I still like it the way it is
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>&g

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Gunnar Tapper
Hi,

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.

A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Option 4!!
>
> Trina
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
> -Carol P.
>
> ---
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
> ---
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weishiun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>>
>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 4
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 6
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>>> field testing!
>>>
>>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Hans Zelle

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Dave Birdsall
Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this 

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Sandhya Sundaresan
I am not able to paste it here and preserve the font. But on the website,
http://trafodion.apache.org/,  the Trafodion on the top left upper corner
in red has a lowercase font with the ‘F’ going down. We could try that to
see if it looks better than 4 which is already pretty close/popular.



Sandhya



*From:* Atanu Mishra [mailto:atanumis...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:06 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



I like Hans' suggestion for lower-case letters for Trafodion. Both options
were better than the previous, but not quite there. Getting close.



Regards,

Atanu



Atanu Mishra



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Eric Owhadi <eric.owh...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi A

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Wei-Shiun Tsai
+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion ab

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Atanu Mishra
I like Hans' suggestion for lower-case letters for Trafodion. Both options
were better than the previous, but not quite there. Getting close.

Regards,
Atanu


Atanu Mishra

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Eric Owhadi <eric.owh...@esgyn.com> wrote:

> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> -----------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* use

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Sandhya Sundaresan
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---

Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Carol Pearson
Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all

Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.

---
Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
>> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>
>>
>>
>> Weishiun
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
>> with the placement of option 6.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, either one is fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>
>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 4
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 6
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>> field testing!
>>
>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
>> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
>> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
>> favorite).
>>
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
>> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size 

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Enis Söztutar
Option 4 looks good. The other one is not "serious" enough for my taste.
Just my 2 cents.

Enis

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
> -Carol P.
>
> ---
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
> ---
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weishiun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>>
>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 4
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 6
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>>> field testing!
>>>
>>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>&g

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Gunnar Tapper
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:

> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> -------
>
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---

Re: Logo Proposal

2016-02-11 Thread Trina Krug
Option 4!!

Trina 

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would 
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and 
> I'm not fond of it overall...
> 
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all 
>  
> 
> Thanks Ken!
> 
> -Carol P.
> 
> ---
> Email:carol.pearson...@gmail.com
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
> ---
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan 
>>> <sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The 
>>> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, 
>>> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional 
>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Weishiun
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but 
>>> with the placement of option 6.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1 option 4
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1 option 4
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>> 
>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Option 4
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Option 6
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited 
>>> field testing!
>>> 
>>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan 
>>> <sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could 
>>> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color 
>>> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com] 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>> 

RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-09 Thread Sandhya Sundaresan
+1 on  reduced size of the dragon. The Trafodion writing needs to be at a
closer scale to the Dragon  sort of like it is on the Apache Hadoop website
for Hadoop logo and the elephant. It will make the writing standout more.





*From:* Venkat Muthuswamy [mailto:venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:33 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 on the logo. I tried a reduced size and it still rendered nicely !



I agree with the others on the font. We need a simple font that make the
product name stand out. Maybe use the same font as the “APACHE” but in
different color ?



Venkat



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken


RE: Logo Proposal

2016-02-09 Thread Venkat Muthuswamy
+1 on the logo. I tried a reduced size and it still rendered nicely !



I agree with the others on the font. We need a simple font that make the
product name stand out. Maybe use the same font as the “APACHE” but in
different color ?



Venkat



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken