RE: No Secondary Storage VM (was RE: Networking config question)

2013-07-31 Thread Philip Andrews
Hi Bryce,

Unfortunately I cannot offer you any solution but I have been seeing the same 
issues on my configuration. When I setup the bridges prior to configuring the 
zone in the UI I get errors. If I don't setup the bridges prior to configuring 
the zone I get errors. .

-Phil



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-Original Message-
From: Nordgren, Bryce L -FS [mailto:bnordg...@fs.fed.us]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:22 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: No Secondary Storage VM (was RE: Networking config question)

Hi Kirk,

I'm trying for an advanced network, since it's a priority to keep wonky 
private IPs off of the University network. The configuration for 
guest/mgmt/public traffic, along with the bridge names/kvm traffic labels, is 
quoted below.

I'll ignore the fact that the gui seems to consistently error (incorrectly) 
when provisioning a host. However, I think the lack of a storage server VM 
(which caused the alert state) is keeping me from registering ISOs and 
templates. They're just not downloading.

I looked at the logfile you mentioned, and it appears to me that Cloudstack is 
designating the wrong network interface on the management server as private. 
(See: http://pastebin.com/tFUXGJcq) I particularly enjoy the phrase: 
Designating private to be nic publicbr0 However, I see absolutely no way to 
control this choice/fix the error. I've tried provisioning with and without a 
storage network, but the management network has always been tied to 
privatebr0 (not publicbr0). Likewise, when I  explicitly put the storage 
network in there, it has been tied to privatebr0. I even added the network 
bridges on the management server just to see if that had an effect. (No)  
Cloudstack always picks the wrong interface on the management server, and there 
seems to be no way to correct it.

Any thoughts?

Bryce

-Original Message-
From: Kirk Kosinski [mailto:kirkkosin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:54 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Nordgren, Bryce L -FS
Subject: Re: Networking config question

Hi, are you trying to use a basic zone (one flat network for all guests) or an 
advanced zone (one or more guest networks, each with their own VLAN)?  I'm 
guessing advanced since I don't think a basic zone will work.  For an advanced 
zone, you need to decide if the guest networks should be on publicbr0 or 
privatebr0.  If you never plan to add a second host it doesn't really matter, 
but if you do plan on adding more hosts you should choose the bridge that is 
connected to a switch that supports VLANs.

When going through the wizard, make sure to configure the traffic labels to the 
correct bridge name.  If they are wrong it might be the problem.
 A blank error in the UI is not common but if the host is Up then it can 
probably be ignored.  Errors in the UI are not usually useful anyway so check 
the management-server.log on the CloudStack server for errors (or upload it to 
Pastebin and ask on the list for help).  The secondary storage alert is normal 
and can be ignored.

Best regards,
Kirk


On 07/29/2013 03:16 PM, Nordgren, Bryce L -FS wrote:
 Host eth0: IP: 10.1.5.254; gw: 10.1.4.1; netmask: 255.255.254.0 Host
 eth1: IP: none; gw: none; netmask: none (however, it is plugged into
 the University's switch) Host bridges privatebr0 (eth0) and publicbr0 
 (eth1) created.
 Using KVM.

 Guest CIDR: 10.1.1.0/24 (the default provided by cloudstack)
 Management network: 10.1.4.30-10.1.4.50 (gw: 10.1.4.1; netmask:
 255.255.254.0) Public traffic: 192.168.56.41-192.168.56.90
 (gw:192.168.56.254; netmask: 255.255.255.0) Guest and Management traffic have 
 privatebr0 KVM traffic label.
 Public traffic has publicbr0 KVM traffic label All VLAN fields have
 been left blank.





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V4.1.0 w/ KVM Hyperv on CentOS6.4 + Adv Network + VLAN = no joy

2013-07-31 Thread Noel Kendall
I would appreciate help understanding why this StartCommand:
{StartCommand:{vm:{id:2,name:v-2-VM,type:ConsoleProxy,cpus:1,speed:500,minRam:1073741824,maxRam:1073741824,arch:x86_64,os:Debian
 GNU/Linux 5.0 (32-bit),bootArgs: template=domP type=consoleproxy 
host=10.10.0.250 port=8250 name=v-2-VM premium=true zone=1 pod=1 guid=Proxy.2 
proxy_vm=2 disable_rp_filter=true eth2ip=67.211.104.52 eth2mask=255.255.255.240 
gateway=***.***.***.62 eth0ip=169.254.3.184 eth0mask=255.255.0.0 
eth1ip=10.10.0.246 eth1mask=255.255.255.0 mgmtcidr=10.10.0.0/24 
localgw=10.10.0.254 internaldns1=10.10.0.253 internaldns2=10.10.0.254 
dns1=66.212.224.241 
dns2=66.212.224.242,rebootOnCrash:false,enableHA:false,limitCpuUse:false,vncPassword:69c7406d1126dbcb,params:{},uuid:a2863d9e-13c7-4f6b-b2eb-16fd9e050553,
 disks:[   
{id:2,name:ROOT-2,mountPoint:/mnt/vg_primary_raid1/primaryxfsraid/primary,path:6f51e106-8f3d-4a47-b010-9a81a6909aad,size:0,type:ROOT,storagePoolType:NetworkFilesystem,storagePoolUuid:0a37e7d0-4b3c-3668-9d7e-5aac1b552aca,deviceId:0}
   ]   nics:[
{deviceId:2,networkRateMbps:-1,defaultNic:true,uuid:6b8c3b95-a75a-4555-b775-c4578bbe4e9b,ip:***.***.***.52,netmask:255.255.255.240,gateway:***.***.***.62,mac:06:0e:32:00:01:06,dns1:***.***.224.241,dns2:***.***.224.242,broadcastType:Vlan,type:Public,broadcastUri:vlan://5,isolationUri:vlan://5,isSecurityGroupEnabled:false,name:cloudpublic},

{deviceId:0,networkRateMbps:-1,defaultNic:false,uuid:caec5b49-d139-4f05-8fb8-8b23b9bd1614,ip:169.254.3.184,netmask:255.255.0.0,gateway:169.254.0.1,mac:0e:00:a9:fe:03:b8,broadcastType:LinkLocal,type:Control,isSecurityGroupEnabled:false},

{deviceId:1,networkRateMbps:-1,defaultNic:false,uuid:bc910056-23db-4259-8e4f-2006f5ac4275,ip:10.10.0.246,netmask:255.255.255.0,gateway:10.10.0.254,mac:06:9d:38:00:00:07,broadcastType:Native,type:Management,isSecurityGroupEnabled:false,name:cloudmanagement}
]}, 
hostIp:10.10.0.1,wait:0}},{check.CheckSshCommand:{ip:169.254.3.184,port:3922,interval:6,retries:100,name:v-2-VM,wait:0}}
results in:
2013-07-31 04:09:02,849 INFO  [cloud.vm.VirtualMachineManagerImpl] 
(secstorage-1:null) Unable to start VM on Host[-2-Routing] due to Failed to 
create vnet 5: DEBUG op=add pif=eth4 vlanId=5 brName=breth4-5Set name-type for 
VLAN subsystem. Should be visible in /proc/net/vlan/configdevice eth4.5 is 
already a member of a bridge; can't enslave it to bridge breth4-5.Failed to add 
vlan: eth4.5 to breth4-520
*** note *** I obscured the public addresses for obvious reasons, these are 
known good, and worked fine with existing swtich configurationunder a V4.0.1 
implementation

Background config information:
Advanced Network, VLAN isolation
2 Phys Networks, 1 for stor/mgmt, 1 for public/gueston the public/guest 
network, KVM traffic labels are respectively cloudguest and cloudpublic
On the KVM hypervisor, cloudpublic is a bridge, eth4.5 is configured on that 
bridge, VLAN 5 is set up in the switch
The physical network has an IP range defined for a small group of public 
addresses, configured on VLAN 5

I have read through the code best I can to follow the path to attempt to 
determine why the start command processing is not happywith the cloudpublic 
bridge, and tries to create a breth4.5 bridge and enslave the eth4.5 interface 
to it. Why not just use the cloudpublicbridge and carry on? Something is not 
making sense to me here.
Any help appreciated.
Many thanks, Noel

  

Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

2013-07-31 Thread Gaspare A Silvestri

  
  
I'll try and I'll let you know asap.
  
  Thanks a lot!
  
  Gaspare
  
  On 30/07/2013 19:59, Kelven Yang wrote:


  Could you check CS global configuration variable "host", make sure it
point to the IP that management server is listening at (on Management
network), if you have a management server cluster setup, this IP should be
the load-balancer IP for the management server cluster

Kelven

On 7/29/13 10:14 PM, "Gaspare A Silvestri" g.silves...@netsons.com wrote:


  
Hello everybody,

I'm recently having issues about the ability to manage the system VMs
(Console Proxy + Secondary Storage VM); I've got the following
configuration:

 * Cloudstack 4.1
 * VMware vSphere 5.1
 * Standard networking configuration
 * vSwitch0 on the public network (Guest network) - Phyisical network
connected to a WAN phyisical switch (public IP addresses - 46.x.x.x).
 * vSwitch1 on the private network (Management + Storage traffic) -
Phyisical network connected to a LAN phyisical switch (Private IP
addresses - 192.168.x.x).


I'm able to connect to the System VMs from the Cloudstack Management
server using the private assigned IP, and I'm also able to ping them,
but I'm not able to connect to the console of both two VMs; it looks
like something wrong in my network configuration. Where am I wrong in my
activities?

Thanks in advance,

Gaspare

  
  




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Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

2013-07-31 Thread France

  
  
Also, check the logs on CS host.
I think relevant file is called catalina.out.


On 31/7/13 3:50 PM, Gaspare A Silvestri
  wrote:


  
  I'll try and I'll let you know asap.

Thanks a lot!

Gaspare

On 30/07/2013 19:59, Kelven Yang wrote:
  
  
Could you check CS global configuration variable "host", make sure it
point to the IP that management server is listening at (on Management
network), if you have a management server cluster setup, this IP should be
the load-balancer IP for the management server cluster

Kelven

On 7/29/13 10:14 PM, "Gaspare A Silvestri" g.silves...@netsons.com wrote:



  Hello everybody,

I'm recently having issues about the ability to manage the system VMs
(Console Proxy + Secondary Storage VM); I've got the following
configuration:

 * Cloudstack 4.1
 * VMware vSphere 5.1
 * Standard networking configuration
 * vSwitch0 on the public network (Guest network) - Phyisical network
connected to a WAN phyisical switch (public IP addresses - 46.x.x.x).
 * vSwitch1 on the private network (Management + Storage traffic) -
Phyisical network connected to a LAN phyisical switch (Private IP
addresses - 192.168.x.x).


I'm able to connect to the System VMs from the Cloudstack Management
server using the private assigned IP, and I'm also able to ping them,
but I'm not able to connect to the console of both two VMs; it looks
like something wrong in my network configuration. Where am I wrong in my
activities?

Thanks in advance,

Gaspare


  
  
  
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Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

2013-07-31 Thread Gaspare A Silvestri

Hi Noel,

do you confirm that the value wrote by Kelven (Manager MGMT net IP) is 
the right address to configure?


Thanks,

Gaspare

On 31/07/2013 16:03, Hotmail wrote:

It does indeed have the correct configuration value




RE: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

2013-07-31 Thread Noel Kendall
NO, actually, please ignore my reply. I replied to the wrong message. My 
deepest apologies for the confusion.Noel

 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:13:41 +0200
 From: g.silves...@netsons.com
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue
 
 Hi Noel,
 
 do you confirm that the value wrote by Kelven (Manager MGMT net IP) is 
 the right address to configure?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gaspare
 
 On 31/07/2013 16:03, Hotmail wrote:
  It does indeed have the correct configuration value
 
  

need v-2--VM boot options parameter string for urgent maintenance

2013-07-31 Thread William Jiang
Hello,

if anybody can send me the boot options string of your v-2-VM? you can get it 
in your xencenter?
I need it for urgent maintenance. please let me know what version of cloudstack 
and xenserver you are using, for me, I use cloudstack 4.1 and xenserver 6.1.

Great thanks.
William


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Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

2013-07-31 Thread Gaspare A Silvestri

No problems! :)

Best regards,

Gaspare

On 31/07/2013 16:41, Noel Kendall wrote:

NO, actually, please ignore my reply. I replied to the wrong message. My 
deepest apologies for the confusion.Noel


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:13:41 +0200
From: g.silves...@netsons.com
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: CS 4.1 + vSphere 5.1 - System VMs issue

Hi Noel,

do you confirm that the value wrote by Kelven (Manager MGMT net IP) is
the right address to configure?

Thanks,

Gaspare

On 31/07/2013 16:03, Hotmail wrote:

It does indeed have the correct configuration value








Re: need v-2--VM boot options parameter string for urgent maintenance

2013-07-31 Thread Venkata SwamyBabu Budumuru
XenServer 6.1 and CS 4.2

-- quiet 
console=hvc0%template=domP%type=consoleproxy%host=10.147.59.194%port=8250%n
ame=v-4-VM%premium=true%zone=2%pod=2%guid=Proxy.4%proxy_vm=4%disable_rp_fil
ter=true%eth2ip=10.147.54.61%eth2mask=255.255.255.0%gateway=10.147.54.1%eth
0ip=169.254.0.198%eth0mask=255.255.0.0%eth1ip=10.147.40.78%eth1mask=255.255
.254.0%mgmtcidr=10.147.59.0/24%localgw=10.147.40.1%internaldns1=10.103.128.
16%dns1=10.103.128.16




On 31/07/13 8:52 PM, William Jiang william.ji...@manwin.com wrote:

Hello,

if anybody can send me the boot options string of your v-2-VM? you can
get it in your xencenter?
I need it for urgent maintenance. please let me know what version of
cloudstack and xenserver you are using, for me, I use cloudstack 4.1 and
xenserver 6.1.

Great thanks.
William


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Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?

2013-07-31 Thread WXR
kvm




-- Original --
From:  Aaron Delpaaron.d...@citrix.com;
Date:  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 11:40 PM
To:  users@cloudstack.apache.orgusers@cloudstack.apache.org; 

Subject:  Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?



On 7/31/13 8:32 AM, WXR 1485739...@qq.com wrote:


I find that the disk IO performance of vm instances on
iSCSI(sharedmountpoint) primary storage is worse than that on NFS primary
storage.

When I use a single hdd and create a NFS share as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is pretty good.
But when I use the same hdd and create a iSCSI lun as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is lower than NFS.

I think the disk IO performance of iSCSI should be better than NFS.

 What hypervisor are you using to attach?


.

Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?

2013-07-31 Thread Aaron Delp
 Sorry, I don't have enough KVM experience to comment or troubleshoot.



On 7/31/13 9:00 AM, WXR 1485739...@qq.com wrote:

kvm




-- Original --
From:  Aaron Delpaaron.d...@citrix.com;
Date:  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 11:40 PM
To:  users@cloudstack.apache.orgusers@cloudstack.apache.org;

Subject:  Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?



On 7/31/13 8:32 AM, WXR 1485739...@qq.com wrote:


I find that the disk IO performance of vm instances on
iSCSI(sharedmountpoint) primary storage is worse than that on NFS primary
storage.

When I use a single hdd and create a NFS share as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is pretty good.
But when I use the same hdd and create a iSCSI lun as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is lower than NFS.

I think the disk IO performance of iSCSI should be better than NFS.

 What hypervisor are you using to attach?


.



Web gui - id instead of name

2013-07-31 Thread Andreas Huser
Hi,

after upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1  the new field name in instances menu shows id 
from vm instead of name.
Can I correct this in the database without any problems?

Regards
Andreas




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Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?

2013-07-31 Thread WXR
Does your iSCSI primary storage offer better disk IO performance than NFS?




-- Original --
From:  Aaron Delpaaron.d...@citrix.com;
Date:  Thu, Aug 1, 2013 00:18 AM
To:  users@cloudstack.apache.orgusers@cloudstack.apache.org; 

Subject:  Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?



 Sorry, I don't have enough KVM experience to comment or troubleshoot.



On 7/31/13 9:00 AM, WXR 1485739...@qq.com wrote:

kvm




-- Original --
From:  Aaron Delpaaron.d...@citrix.com;
Date:  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 11:40 PM
To:  users@cloudstack.apache.orgusers@cloudstack.apache.org;

Subject:  Re: iSCSI IO performance is worse than NFS,why?



On 7/31/13 8:32 AM, WXR 1485739...@qq.com wrote:


I find that the disk IO performance of vm instances on
iSCSI(sharedmountpoint) primary storage is worse than that on NFS primary
storage.

When I use a single hdd and create a NFS share as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is pretty good.
But when I use the same hdd and create a iSCSI lun as primary storage,the
disk IO performance is lower than NFS.

I think the disk IO performance of iSCSI should be better than NFS.

 What hypervisor are you using to attach?


.

.

Re: need v-2--VM boot options parameter string for urgent maintenance

2013-07-31 Thread Kelven Yang
You may get it inside console proxy VM with following command

cat /proc/cmdline

Kelven

On 7/31/13 8:21 AM, William Jiang william.ji...@manwin.com wrote:

Hello,

if anybody can send me the boot options string of your v-2-VM? you can
get it in your xencenter?
I need it for urgent maintenance. please let me know what version of
cloudstack and xenserver you are using, for me, I use cloudstack 4.1 and
xenserver 6.1.

Great thanks.
William


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FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with Advanced Networking

2013-07-31 Thread Edison Su
The KVM installation guide at 
http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Installation_Guide/hypervisor-kvm-install-flow.html
 , is unnecessary complicated and inaccurate. 
For example, we don't need to configure vlan on kvm host by users themselves, 
cloudstack-agent will create vlans automatically.
All users need to do is to create bridges(if the default bridge created by 
cloudstack-agent is not enough), then add these bridge names from cloudstack 
mgt server UI during the zone creation.  

-Original Message-
From: Noel Kendall [mailto:noeldkend...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:49 AM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
Advanced Networking

The documentation for installation in a KVM environment is utterly misleading.
The documentation reads as though one can set up the bridge for the public 
network with any name one chooses, the default being cloudbr0.
You cannot use just any old name. That simply will not work.
Let's suppose I have a public network that I isolate on VLAN 5, which is 
interfaced on ethernet adapter eth4. I will need to define an adapter eth4.5 
with VLAN set to yes.
So far, so good.
Next, for the bridge...
By enabling debugging output in the log, I was able to see that the code looks 
for a bridge with the name cloudVirBr5 for my public network.
I had tried several different approaches, none would work if I did not name my 
bridge cloudVirBr5, and set my traffic label on the network configurationto the 
same.
I have seen numerous posts in the mailing lists, blog entries, you name it, 
representing frustrations of throngs of users trying to validate a CS setup.
The documentation is utterly wrong and misleading.
Summary:
does not work:traffic label: cloudbr0 with eth4.5 pointing to cloudbr0 - code 
still tries to create a breth4.5 and enlist eth4.5 to it but cannot because it 
is already enlisted to cloudbr0.
Good luck everyone with advanced networking with VLAN isolation on CentOS KVM 
hosts.
  


Re: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with Advanced Networking

2013-07-31 Thread Marcus Sorensen
Yes, that's correct. I think we need to update the documentation. The
user simply needs to create a bridge where 'public' traffic will work,
and then set that bridge name as the traffic label for public traffic.
Then it will create the vlan device and the bridge necessary for
public based on the physical ethernet device of that bridge.

Note, in this example, it is only looking for cloudVirBr for
compatibility, if there are existing cloudVirBr bridges then the agent
will continue to create cloudVirBr bridges, otherwise, it will create
breth bridges, which allow the same vlan number on different physical
interfaces.

We can easily create some concrete examples for this... such as the
one represented in devcloud-kvm by
tools/devcloud-kvm/devcloud-kvm-advanced.cfg

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edison Su edison...@citrix.com wrote:
 The KVM installation guide at 
 http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Installation_Guide/hypervisor-kvm-install-flow.html
  , is unnecessary complicated and inaccurate.
 For example, we don't need to configure vlan on kvm host by users themselves, 
 cloudstack-agent will create vlans automatically.
 All users need to do is to create bridges(if the default bridge created by 
 cloudstack-agent is not enough), then add these bridge names from cloudstack 
 mgt server UI during the zone creation.

 -Original Message-
 From: Noel Kendall [mailto:noeldkend...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:49 AM
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
 Advanced Networking

 The documentation for installation in a KVM environment is utterly misleading.
 The documentation reads as though one can set up the bridge for the public 
 network with any name one chooses, the default being cloudbr0.
 You cannot use just any old name. That simply will not work.
 Let's suppose I have a public network that I isolate on VLAN 5, which is 
 interfaced on ethernet adapter eth4. I will need to define an adapter eth4.5 
 with VLAN set to yes.
 So far, so good.
 Next, for the bridge...
 By enabling debugging output in the log, I was able to see that the code 
 looks for a bridge with the name cloudVirBr5 for my public network.
 I had tried several different approaches, none would work if I did not name 
 my bridge cloudVirBr5, and set my traffic label on the network 
 configurationto the same.
 I have seen numerous posts in the mailing lists, blog entries, you name it, 
 representing frustrations of throngs of users trying to validate a CS setup.
 The documentation is utterly wrong and misleading.
 Summary:
 does not work:traffic label: cloudbr0 with eth4.5 pointing to cloudbr0 - code 
 still tries to create a breth4.5 and enlist eth4.5 to it but cannot because 
 it is already enlisted to cloudbr0.
 Good luck everyone with advanced networking with VLAN isolation on CentOS KVM 
 hosts.



Re: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with Advanced Networking

2013-07-31 Thread Philip Andrews
Here too, we've been working through a cloudstack install on a 3 box
test environment for almost a week with 95% of the issues being
networking due to poor documentation. I'd be happy to follow some new
procedures and provide feedback.

Also running CentOS 6.4 on all boxes.

-Phil

On 07/31/2013 03:00 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
 If you need an ignorant person with a lot of CentOS system admin
 experience to walk through the procedure with the authors, let me know.
 I have a bare CentOS 6.4 ready to be made into something that runs
 CloudStack and supports a CentOS VM. If that works, I can rustle up
 another piece of hardware with a bare CentOS to add to the confusion.

 Ron

 On 31/07/2013 2:33 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote:
 Yes, that's correct. I think we need to update the documentation. The
 user simply needs to create a bridge where 'public' traffic will work,
 and then set that bridge name as the traffic label for public traffic.
 Then it will create the vlan device and the bridge necessary for
 public based on the physical ethernet device of that bridge.

 Note, in this example, it is only looking for cloudVirBr for
 compatibility, if there are existing cloudVirBr bridges then the agent
 will continue to create cloudVirBr bridges, otherwise, it will create
 breth bridges, which allow the same vlan number on different physical
 interfaces.

 We can easily create some concrete examples for this... such as the
 one represented in devcloud-kvm by
 tools/devcloud-kvm/devcloud-kvm-advanced.cfg

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edison Su edison...@citrix.com wrote:
 The KVM installation guide at 
 http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Installation_Guide/hypervisor-kvm-install-flow.html
  , is unnecessary complicated and inaccurate.
 For example, we don't need to configure vlan on kvm host by users 
 themselves, cloudstack-agent will create vlans automatically.
 All users need to do is to create bridges(if the default bridge created by 
 cloudstack-agent is not enough), then add these bridge names from 
 cloudstack mgt server UI during the zone creation.



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-Original Message-
 From: Noel Kendall [mailto:noeldkend...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:49 AM
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
 Advanced Networking

 The documentation for installation in a KVM environment is utterly 
 misleading.
 The documentation reads as though one can set up the bridge for the public 
 network with any name one chooses, the default being cloudbr0.
 You cannot use just any old name. That simply will not work.
 Let's suppose I have a public network that I isolate on VLAN 5, which is 
 interfaced on ethernet adapter eth4. I will need to define an adapter 
 eth4.5 with VLAN set to yes.
 So far, so good.
 Next, for the bridge...
 By enabling debugging output in the log, I was able to see that the code 
 looks for a bridge with the name cloudVirBr5 for my public network.
 I had tried several different approaches, none would work if I did not name 
 my bridge cloudVirBr5, and set my traffic label on the network 
 configurationto the same.
 I have seen numerous posts in the mailing lists, blog entries, you name it, 
 representing frustrations of throngs of users trying to validate a CS setup.
 The documentation is utterly wrong and misleading.
 Summary:
 does not work:traffic label: cloudbr0 with eth4.5 pointing to cloudbr0 - 
 code still tries to create a breth4.5 and enlist eth4.5 to it but cannot 
 because it is already enlisted to cloudbr0.
 Good luck everyone with advanced networking with VLAN isolation on CentOS 
 KVM hosts.





RE: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with Advanced Networking

2013-07-31 Thread Nordgren, Bryce L -FS
+1

Working 1/2 time for about two weeks now, trying to install on a two-box test 
environment. Let me test something that works! I vote for describing a super 
simple test case:

+ two boxes
+ two networks
+ minimize impact on public network (no VLAN requirements; no private IPs on 
public network hardware, etc.)

I'm using the StackIQ Rocks+Cloud distribution. (RHEL/CentOS 6.4; Cloudstack 
4.0.2)

Bryce

-Original Message-
From: Philip Andrews [mailto:pandr...@thunderhead.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:14 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org; rwhee...@artifact-software.com
Subject: Re: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
Advanced Networking

Here too, we've been working through a cloudstack install on a 3 box test 
environment for almost a week with 95% of the issues being networking due to 
poor documentation. I'd be happy to follow some new procedures and provide 
feedback.

Also running CentOS 6.4 on all boxes.

-Phil

On 07/31/2013 03:00 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
 If you need an ignorant person with a lot of CentOS system admin
 experience to walk through the procedure with the authors, let me know.
 I have a bare CentOS 6.4 ready to be made into something that runs
 CloudStack and supports a CentOS VM. If that works, I can rustle up
 another piece of hardware with a bare CentOS to add to the confusion.

 Ron

 On 31/07/2013 2:33 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote:
 Yes, that's correct. I think we need to update the documentation. The
 user simply needs to create a bridge where 'public' traffic will
 work, and then set that bridge name as the traffic label for public traffic.
 Then it will create the vlan device and the bridge necessary for
 public based on the physical ethernet device of that bridge.

 Note, in this example, it is only looking for cloudVirBr for
 compatibility, if there are existing cloudVirBr bridges then the
 agent will continue to create cloudVirBr bridges, otherwise, it will
 create breth bridges, which allow the same vlan number on different
 physical interfaces.

 We can easily create some concrete examples for this... such as the
 one represented in devcloud-kvm by
 tools/devcloud-kvm/devcloud-kvm-advanced.cfg

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edison Su edison...@citrix.com wrote:
 The KVM installation guide at 
 http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Installation_Guide/hypervisor-kvm-install-flow.html
  , is unnecessary complicated and inaccurate.
 For example, we don't need to configure vlan on kvm host by users 
 themselves, cloudstack-agent will create vlans automatically.
 All users need to do is to create bridges(if the default bridge created by 
 cloudstack-agent is not enough), then add these bridge names from 
 cloudstack mgt server UI during the zone creation.



Philip Andrews
Senior Linux Engineer

T +1 603-625-2280
F +1 603-641-2280
M
mailto:pandr...@thunderhead.com

Thunderhead.com is the trading name of Thunderhead Limited which is registered 
in England under No. 4303041 whose registered office is at Catalyst House 720 
Centennial Court, Centennial Park, Elstree, Herts. WD6 3SY.
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-Original Message-
 From: Noel Kendall [mailto:noeldkend...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:49 AM
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle
 with Advanced Networking

 The documentation for installation in a KVM environment is utterly 
 misleading.
 The documentation reads as though one can set up the bridge for the public 
 network with any name one chooses, the default being cloudbr0.
 You cannot use just any old name. That simply will not work.
 Let's suppose I have a public network that I isolate on VLAN 5, which is 
 interfaced on ethernet adapter eth4. I will need to define an adapter 
 eth4.5 with VLAN set to yes.
 So far, so good.
 Next, for the bridge...
 By enabling debugging output in the log, I was able to see that the code 
 looks for a bridge with the name cloudVirBr5 for my public network.
 I had tried several different approaches, none would work if I did not name 
 my bridge cloudVirBr5, and set my traffic label on the network 
 configurationto the same.
 I have seen numerous posts in the mailing lists, blog entries, you name it, 
 representing frustrations of throngs of users trying to validate a CS setup.
 The documentation is utterly wrong and misleading.
 Summary:
 does not work:traffic label: cloudbr0 with eth4.5 pointing to cloudbr0 - 
 code still tries to create a 

Third-party Cloudstack Support

2013-07-31 Thread Chris Buono
My company is considering Cloudstack for cloud management. One of the 
considerations is whether or not we can find a company we can reach out to for 
technical support. We need 24/7 support, SLA, and are willing to pay for such 
service. Would some point me in the direction of such a company(ies)?

Thanks!



Re: AWS API setup

2013-07-31 Thread Carlos Reategui
Looks like I'm on my own here

I poked around the cloudstack-setup-databases script and the sql it uses
drops the tables before recreating them so it is not safe for me to run
that or it will kill my current cloud db.

In that script I did find references to the cloud-bridge sql files found
here:
# ls -l /usr/share/cloudstack-bridge/setup/
total 56
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1592 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_bucketpolicy.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1148 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_db.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3711 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_index.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1170 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_multipart_alter.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2468 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_multipart.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  896 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_offering_alter.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1551 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_offering.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  897 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_policy_alter.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4462 Jun  4 11:45 cloudbridge_schema.sql
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2365 Jun  4 11:45 deploy-db-bridge.sh
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1377 Jun  4 11:45 init_db.bat

I noticed the deploy-db-bridge.sh, so I ran it and now I have a cloudbridge
db.

Please note that this will set the cloud db user pw to cloud, so if you
used a different pw make sure to:
mysql set password for 'cloud'@'%' = password('mypw');
mysql set password for 'cloud'@'localhost' = password('mypw');
or your management server will not start.

I then ran into this bug:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-3295
but I am on 4.1 not 4.2.

Searching for xes.keystore I I found this in the debian install rules:

for i in cloud-bridge.properties commons-logging.properties
crypto.properties xes.keystore ec2-service.properties; do \

  mv $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/$(PACKAGE)-bridge/webapps/awsapi/WEB-INF/classes/
$$i $(DESTDIR)/$(SYSCONFDIR)/$(PACKAGE)/management/; \.

Which is moving the files to /etc/cloudstack/management.  So I moved these
2 back:
# mv /etc/cloudstack/management/xes.keystore
/usr/share/cloudstack-management/webapps7080/awsapi/WEB-INF/classes/.
# mv /etc/cloudstack/management/crypto.properties
/usr/share/cloudstack-management/webapps7080/awsapi/WEB-INF/classes/.

Is this a bug in the debian packager?

Now when I run the cloudstack-aws-api-register script I get:
User registration failed with http error code: 401

The awsapi.log shows:
2013-07-31 12:16:11,245 ERROR [bridge.service.EC2RestServlet]
(catalina-exec-int-1:null) SetUserKeys Entity already exists:
javax.persistence.EntityExistsException: Entity already exists:
at
com.cloud.utils.db.GenericDaoBase.persist(GenericDaoBase.java:1340)
at
com.cloud.utils.component.ComponentInstantiationPostProcessor$InterceptorDispatcher.intercept(ComponentInstantiationPostProcessor.java:125)
at
com.cloud.bridge.service.EC2RestServlet.setUserKeys(EC2RestServlet.java:395)
at
com.cloud.bridge.service.EC2RestServlet.doGetOrPost(EC2RestServlet.java:243)
at
com.cloud.bridge.service.EC2RestServlet.doGet(EC2RestServlet.java:218)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:617)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:717)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:290)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:206)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:646)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.processRequest(ApplicationDispatcher.java:436)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:374)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:302)
at
com.cloud.bridge.service.EC2MainServlet.doGetOrPost(EC2MainServlet.java:105)
at
com.cloud.bridge.service.EC2MainServlet.doGet(EC2MainServlet.java:84)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:617)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:717)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:290)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:206)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:233)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:191)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
at
org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:102)
at
org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve.invoke(AccessLogValve.java:615)
at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:109)
at
org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:293)
at

RE: Cloudstack Virtual Router

2013-07-31 Thread Musayev, Ilya
Router VM in my case:

Eth1 - guest net
Eth2 - mgmt net

 -Original Message-
 From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusa...@webmd.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:34 PM
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: RE: Cloudstack Virtual Router
 
 Anton,
 
 Perhaps you can define all 3 nics and what nics/networks they use and what
 the issue is.
 
 My SSVM on vSphere uses:
 Eth1 - Mgmt net
 Eth2 - Public net
 Eth3 - Storage net
 
 Regards
 ilya
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Anton Rubets [mailto:plejik@gmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:12 AM
  To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
  Subject: Cloudstack Virtual Router
 
  Hello everyone!
  I have problem with autoconfig network by CS 4.1 for VR.
  When CS starting the router it gives 3 nic.
  One of this nic is public traffic. But it gives ip from public, in the
  configuration public, but in XCP1.6 create with management vlan.
  Someone have problem like this?
  Thx
 




RE: Change host password??

2013-07-31 Thread Prashant Sreedharan
Yes, the documentation needs to be updated... , but 

Host passwd can be updated easily using Cloudmonkey , I just updated 30 
xenserver hosts using cloudmonkey 

1. setup cloudmonkey
2. get the hostid and clusterid and then update the host passwd .. for ex 

update hostpassword clusterid=  cluster id hostid= hostid  
password=xx username=root


 list hosts
count = 6
host:
id = 0c9b4c8f-69d5-42b3-b02f-fd987da670ed
name = cld-test-pod1-xen6.
capabilities = xen-3.0-x86_64 , xen-3.0-x86_32p , hvm-3.0-x86_32 , 
hvm-3.0-x86_32p , hvm-3.0-x86_64
clusterid = 793a4b28-070d-4f31-982b-3c973608bdb1
clustername = pod1-cluster1


 update hostpassword clusterid=ec483b01-2387-xxx-94e487fbe4e9   
 hostid=bcfba758- password=xx username=root

More information on cloudmonkey is below 

https://cwiki.apache.org/CLOUDSTACK/cloudstack-cloudmonkey-cli.html




Prashant Sreedharan

Cloudstack  XenServer Administrator , Ops
T: +1 805 690 3486 | M: +1 805 453 9105 
prashant.sreedha...@citrix.com



Powering mobile workstyles and cloud services



-Original Message-
From: Kirk Jantzer [mailto:kirk.jant...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:17 PM
To: Cloudstack users mailing list
Subject: Change host password??

http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Admin_Guide/change-host-password.html

This document says to update the password column, which doesn't exist in the 
host table. Is this a document bug?

--
Regards,

Kirk Jantzer
http://about.met/kirkjantzer


Re: Third-party Cloudstack Support

2013-07-31 Thread Ian Duffy
Hi Chris,

http://www.shapeblue.com/ supply consultancy for the product.

I have heard great things about their training sessions.

On 31 July 2013 21:48, Bryan Whitehead dri...@megahappy.net wrote:
 If you are really looking to just buy a solution all packaged up then
 I'd take a look at what Citrix has:

 http://www.citrix.com/products/cloudplatform/overview.html and
 https://www.citrix.com/buy/citrix-cloud-advisors.html

 -Bryan

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Chris Buono cbu...@paragusit.com wrote:
 My company is considering Cloudstack for cloud management. One of the 
 considerations is whether or not we can find a company we can reach out to 
 for technical support. We need 24/7 support, SLA, and are willing to pay for 
 such service. Would some point me in the direction of such a company(ies)?

 Thanks!



RE: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with Advanced Networking

2013-07-31 Thread Jessica Tomechak
There are 10 open Doc bugs against the KVM docs. Whoever does rewrite this 
chapter might want to consult those items for ideas.

If your issues aren't included there, please do file an additional bug with 
your valuable input!

https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20CLOUDSTACK%20AND%20component%20in%20(doc%2C%20Doc)%20AND%20status%20in%20(Open%2C%20%22In%20Progress%22%2C%20Reopened%2C%20%22Ready%20To%20Review%22)%20AND%20text%20~%20%22kvm%22

Jessica T.

From: Nordgren, Bryce L -FS [bnordg...@fs.fed.us]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:22 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
Advanced Networking

+1

Working 1/2 time for about two weeks now, trying to install on a two-box test 
environment. Let me test something that works! I vote for describing a super 
simple test case:

+ two boxes
+ two networks
+ minimize impact on public network (no VLAN requirements; no private IPs on 
public network hardware, etc.)

I'm using the StackIQ Rocks+Cloud distribution. (RHEL/CentOS 6.4; Cloudstack 
4.0.2)

Bryce

-Original Message-
From: Philip Andrews [mailto:pandr...@thunderhead.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:14 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org; rwhee...@artifact-software.com
Subject: Re: FW: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle with 
Advanced Networking

Here too, we've been working through a cloudstack install on a 3 box test 
environment for almost a week with 95% of the issues being networking due to 
poor documentation. I'd be happy to follow some new procedures and provide 
feedback.

Also running CentOS 6.4 on all boxes.

-Phil

On 07/31/2013 03:00 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
 If you need an ignorant person with a lot of CentOS system admin
 experience to walk through the procedure with the authors, let me know.
 I have a bare CentOS 6.4 ready to be made into something that runs
 CloudStack and supports a CentOS VM. If that works, I can rustle up
 another piece of hardware with a bare CentOS to add to the confusion.

 Ron

 On 31/07/2013 2:33 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote:
 Yes, that's correct. I think we need to update the documentation. The
 user simply needs to create a bridge where 'public' traffic will
 work, and then set that bridge name as the traffic label for public traffic.
 Then it will create the vlan device and the bridge necessary for
 public based on the physical ethernet device of that bridge.

 Note, in this example, it is only looking for cloudVirBr for
 compatibility, if there are existing cloudVirBr bridges then the
 agent will continue to create cloudVirBr bridges, otherwise, it will
 create breth bridges, which allow the same vlan number on different
 physical interfaces.

 We can easily create some concrete examples for this... such as the
 one represented in devcloud-kvm by
 tools/devcloud-kvm/devcloud-kvm-advanced.cfg

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edison Su edison...@citrix.com wrote:
 The KVM installation guide at 
 http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Installation_Guide/hypervisor-kvm-install-flow.html
  , is unnecessary complicated and inaccurate.
 For example, we don't need to configure vlan on kvm host by users 
 themselves, cloudstack-agent will create vlans automatically.
 All users need to do is to create bridges(if the default bridge created by 
 cloudstack-agent is not enough), then add these bridge names from 
 cloudstack mgt server UI during the zone creation.



Philip Andrews
Senior Linux Engineer

T +1 603-625-2280
F +1 603-641-2280
M
mailto:pandr...@thunderhead.com

Thunderhead.com is the trading name of Thunderhead Limited which is registered 
in England under No. 4303041 whose registered office is at Catalyst House 720 
Centennial Court, Centennial Park, Elstree, Herts. WD6 3SY.
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-Original Message-
 From: Noel Kendall [mailto:noeldkend...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:49 AM
 To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
 Subject: CS 4.1.0 - this will help a number of people who struggle
 with Advanced Networking

 The documentation for installation in a KVM environment is utterly 
 misleading.
 The documentation reads as though one can set up the bridge for the public 
 network with any name one chooses, the default being cloudbr0.
 You cannot use just any old name. That simply will not work.
 Let's suppose I have a public network that I isolate on VLAN 5, which is 
 interfaced on ethernet adapter eth4. I will 

Re: Change host password??

2013-07-31 Thread Kirk Jantzer
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-3990


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Kirk Jantzer kirk.jant...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Prashant.

 Will do Jessica.


 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Jessica Tomechak 
 jessica.tomec...@citrix.com wrote:

 Sounds like a document bug to me. Please file it in the bugbase!

 Jessica T.
 
 From: Kirk Jantzer [kirk.jant...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:17 PM
 To: Cloudstack users mailing list
 Subject: Change host password??


 http://cloudstack.apache.org/docs/en-US/Apache_CloudStack/4.1.0/html/Admin_Guide/change-host-password.html

 This document says to update the password column, which doesn't exist in
 the host table. Is this a document bug?

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