Re: Future of Flex technology
Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13
Re: Future of Flex technology
If I where you, I would start looking at other technologies. I personally do not believe there is any future in Flex when Adobe has dropped support of Flash to android, and there is none in the iphone/ipad market. Why would you then create a Flex app, that will cross-compile to HTML/JS/CSS etc when you can write it your self, and have more control of what the output will be? Actionscript is pretty similar to JS, so the leap wouldn't be difficult at all. Anyways, just my 2 cents. 2013/2/28 Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-users@incubator.apache.**orgflex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%** 27s+FlexJS+Prototypehttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13
RE: Future of Flex technology
Please don't mix multiple thread in a single conversation. -Original Message- From: Elena Geller [mailto:elena.gel...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 February 2013 14:49 To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology Not only HTML5. Openplug guys have done amazing things with a customized version of Flex 3. Export for iOS (unsubscribed .ipa!!! worked on my iPod2!!! ), Android (from 1.6!! worked on my HTC Legend!!!), Symbian and Co. The possibilities are great, but it needs time and hard work 2013/2/28 Shervin Asgari shervin.asg...@webstep.no If I where you, I would start looking at other technologies. I personally do not believe there is any future in Flex when Adobe has dropped support of Flash to android, and there is none in the iphone/ipad market. Why would you then create a Flex app, that will cross-compile to HTML/JS/CSS etc when you can write it your self, and have more control of what the output will be? Actionscript is pretty similar to JS, so the leap wouldn't be difficult at all. Anyways, just my 2 cents. 2013/2/28 Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-users@incubator.apache.**org flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%** 27s+FlexJS+Prototype https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13 MASTEK LTD. In the US, we're called MAJESCOMASTEK ~~ Opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not that of Mastek Limited, unless specifically indicated to that effect. Mastek Limited does not accept any responsibility or liability for it. This e-mail and attachments (if any) transmitted with it are confidential and/or privileged and solely for the use of the intended person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. This e-mail and its attachments have been scanned for the presence of computer
RE: Future of Flex technology
Hi, I am not a contributing member to this group, but I take time off each day to read through the emails and follow the progress that Apache Flex is making. I personally feel that it is a great tool with huge potential, otherwise so many talented individuals would not have committed so much time to the project. A lot of progress has been made and there is a vision the team is working towards. I still use Flex/Java for my clients and it is still the quickest way to develop enterprise applications. Over the next month I plan to start using Flex/Air for mobile applications. Regards, Sugan Naicker South Africa -Original Message- From: Shervin Asgari [mailto:shervin.asg...@webstep.no] Sent: 28 February 2013 11:10 AM To: users@flex.apache.org; Terry Corbet Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology If I where you, I would start looking at other technologies. I personally do not believe there is any future in Flex when Adobe has dropped support of Flash to android, and there is none in the iphone/ipad market. Why would you then create a Flex app, that will cross-compile to HTML/JS/CSS etc when you can write it your self, and have more control of what the output will be? Actionscript is pretty similar to JS, so the leap wouldn't be difficult at all. Anyways, just my 2 cents. 2013/2/28 Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-users@incubator.apache.**orgflex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%** 27s+FlexJS+Prototypehttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/ 27s+FlexJS+Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13
Re: Future of Flex technology
Flash on Android isn't dead, for instance because of the huge number of people using it for the BBC, for instance, it's been reinstated in the UK. Your second point seems to be 'why use a framework' which has nothing to do with Flex at all really. Tom On 28/02/2013 09:09, Shervin Asgari wrote: do not believe there is any future in Flex when Adobe has dropped support of Flash to android, and there is none in the iphone/ipad market. Why would you then create a Flex app, that will cross-compile to HTML/JS/CSS etc when you can write it your self,
Re: Future of Flex technology
Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototy p e -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13 Disclaimer: This electronic mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this email, and destroy all copies of this email and any attachments. Thank you.
Re: Future of Flex technology
Hi, nothing is black and white! HTML5/CSS3/JS has some advantages in some areas, and actually is without doubt the most dynamic beast BUT: I love to know my job is done, once the FLASH application runs in one Browser. Every browser supporting FLASH will produce the same results; no worries about different video formats, fonts, layouts, supported features, weekly changes. Have you ever tracked the time needed to test all major hardware and software platforms with a non FLASH solution? A nightmare; and a moving target... I hope we'll be back to normal without those heated hype discussions about the better technology. Let's continue to use what we know and have, when it makes sense. And that still is true for many projects. Then there will be a future. Nothing disappears as fast as hoped. Does anybody remember the forecast about paperless future? This gives me enough confidence to start new projects based on Flex/Air/AS3 even today. I don't want to miss this platform. And I'm glad it is supported by Apache! My 2 Euro cents ;-) Hans Am 28.02.2013 15:15, schrieb Scott Matheson: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototyp e -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13 Disclaimer: This electronic mail and any attachments
Re: Future of Flex technology
thanks. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Hans J Nuecke hnue...@vservu.de wrote: Hi, nothing is black and white! HTML5/CSS3/JS has some advantages in some areas, and actually is without doubt the most dynamic beast BUT: I love to know my job is done, once the FLASH application runs in one Browser. Every browser supporting FLASH will produce the same results; no worries about different video formats, fonts, layouts, supported features, weekly changes. Have you ever tracked the time needed to test all major hardware and software platforms with a non FLASH solution? A nightmare; and a moving target... I hope we'll be back to normal without those heated hype discussions about the better technology. Let's continue to use what we know and have, when it makes sense. And that still is true for many projects. Then there will be a future. Nothing disappears as fast as hoped. Does anybody remember the forecast about paperless future? This gives me enough confidence to start new projects based on Flex/Air/AS3 even today. I don't want to miss this platform. And I'm glad it is supported by Apache! My 2 Euro cents ;-) Hans Am 28.02.2013 15:15, schrieb Scott Matheson: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway thatąs my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-users@incubator.apache.**orgflex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%** 27s+FlexJS+Prototyphttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototyp e -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team
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I cannot wrap my head around the js/dom model. That's why we use flex for our cross platform development. It just works. On Feb 28, 2013 9:22 AM, Oliver Wiemer o.wie...@audiovisuellemedien.de wrote: Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototy p e -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6135 - Release Date: 02/26/13 Disclaimer: This electronic mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this email, and destroy all copies of this email and any attachments. Thank you.
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Wow...Irrelevant? That's an absurd statement. I think you're just flame baiting MLM From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 09:05 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology Now lets keep it real. Flex is irrelevant on mobile. 2013/2/28 Haissam Abdul Malak habdulma...@ccc.com.lb Enterprise apps are great with Flex. Mobile Apps specially almost one code based for all major platforms is excellent. That's why we love flex. -Original Message- From: stephen at stephenjc [mailto:step...@stephenjc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:40 PM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology I cannot wrap my head around the js/dom model. That's why we use flex for our cross platform development. It just works. On Feb 28, 2013 9:22 AM, Oliver Wiemer o.wie...@audiovisuellemedien.de wrote: Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run through PhoneGap/Cordova to create mobile apps. It is still in its infancy and we have lots of work ahead, but we are making progress. See [1] for more on one approach we are taking. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Proto ty p e -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems
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Well there are def companies using Flex on mobile. But overall it s not even 5% 2013/2/28 Haissam Abdul Malak habdulma...@ccc.com.lb Not in my experience! We have a successful mobile application built in FLEX and by the way I work in a very huge international company. -Original Message- From: Alain Ekambi [mailto:jazzmatad...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:05 PM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology Now lets keep it real. Flex is irrelevant on mobile. 2013/2/28 Haissam Abdul Malak habdulma...@ccc.com.lb Enterprise apps are great with Flex. Mobile Apps specially almost one code based for all major platforms is excellent. That's why we love flex. -Original Message- From: stephen at stephenjc [mailto:step...@stephenjc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:40 PM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology I cannot wrap my head around the js/dom model. That's why we use flex for our cross platform development. It just works. On Feb 28, 2013 9:22 AM, Oliver Wiemer o.wie...@audiovisuellemedien.de wrote: Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Adobe did not say no support. Adobe is still supporting Flash, and you can still purchase Flex support contracts from Adobe. Adobe donated Flex to Apache so it can continue to be developed in the open. Adobe continues to make releases of Flash. Still, lots of people are moving to HTML5/Android/IOS, and so is Apache Flex. If you monitor the d...@flex.apache.org mailing list you will see that we are hard at work on trying to cross-compile MXML and ActionScript to HTML/JS/CSS which can then be run
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And why would you care about, or put stock in, the questionable decisions of other developers? Unless the numbers point to the extinction of the technology (which they don't), just use the best tool for the job. I can guarantee you, most users don't know or care about the technology underlying their apps as long as they work. MLM (Embedded image moved to file: pic16827.gif) From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 09:10 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology Absolutely not. I love Flex and invested a lot in it. We run numbers every year. Flex is just not there compared to other Frameworks (PhoneGap, Titanium, etc ) when it comes to mobile That s the reality 2013/2/28 mike_l_mcconn...@lamd.uscourts.gov Wow...Irrelevant? That's an absurd statement. I think you're just flame baiting MLM From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 09:05 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology Now lets keep it real. Flex is irrelevant on mobile. 2013/2/28 Haissam Abdul Malak habdulma...@ccc.com.lb Enterprise apps are great with Flex. Mobile Apps specially almost one code based for all major platforms is excellent. That's why we love flex. -Original Message- From: stephen at stephenjc [mailto:step...@stephenjc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:40 PM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology I cannot wrap my head around the js/dom model. That's why we use flex for our cross platform development. It just works. On Feb 28, 2013 9:22 AM, Oliver Wiemer o.wie...@audiovisuellemedien.de wrote: Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support
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Not saying you should care about. Just giving facts. For whatever reason people dont think Flex when they think mobile. 2013/2/28 mike_l_mcconn...@lamd.uscourts.gov And why would you care about, or put stock in, the questionable decisions of other developers? Unless the numbers point to the extinction of the technology (which they don't), just use the best tool for the job. I can guarantee you, most users don't know or care about the technology underlying their apps as long as they work. MLM (Embedded image moved to file: pic16827.gif) From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 09:10 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology Absolutely not. I love Flex and invested a lot in it. We run numbers every year. Flex is just not there compared to other Frameworks (PhoneGap, Titanium, etc ) when it comes to mobile That s the reality 2013/2/28 mike_l_mcconn...@lamd.uscourts.gov Wow...Irrelevant? That's an absurd statement. I think you're just flame baiting MLM From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 09:05 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology Now lets keep it real. Flex is irrelevant on mobile. 2013/2/28 Haissam Abdul Malak habdulma...@ccc.com.lb Enterprise apps are great with Flex. Mobile Apps specially almost one code based for all major platforms is excellent. That's why we love flex. -Original Message- From: stephen at stephenjc [mailto:step...@stephenjc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:40 PM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology I cannot wrap my head around the js/dom model. That's why we use flex for our cross platform development. It just works. On Feb 28, 2013 9:22 AM, Oliver Wiemer o.wie...@audiovisuellemedien.de wrote: Hi, we all love Flex. The best code language ever. All i can code in flex, i do that. And for enterprise application thats always the best. Am 28.02.13 15:15 schrieb Scott Matheson unter smathe...@intralinks.com: Hi I am only a user of flex, I have spent 3 years of my time building a app for a charity, and we have 5-10 year life in the product, what I know, flex works, it is simple, it works, the good chaps on this list are investing a lot of there time to give flex a future, yes HTML/CSS/JS is the elephant in the room, if / when we have quality cross-compiling we will look back and think adobe giving flex to Apache was the best move ever We just need to give this project time Anyway that¹s my 2cents Scott On 2/28/13 8:52 AM, Harbs gavha...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? You can compile MXML to AIR today. Who said anything about not supporting that? If you are talking about the Falcon Compiler (which is not required for compiling to AIR), the work for MXML compilation is currently being finished by Gordon Smith. That's near-term support. The HTML /JS support is a longer term goal. I've never seen any indication to cause your concerns. Harbs On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Terry Corbet wrote: Why is it that you fail to see that each time you advertize your rush to cross-compiling MXML to HTML/CSS/Javascript and never provide status concerning the compilation of MXML to run in the AIR environment you are causing the very anxiety that we all deal with? You know that your employer is going to stop shipping the old compiler in favor of the new compiler. You know that the Gaming Guru will not let any resource be devoted to having the new compiler successfully compile Flex, i.e. Spark Components. So, exactly where are we supposed to feel confident that the Apache Flex project will let us maintain 'parity' [your favoirite word] in regards to compiling our AIR MXML applications with the new compiler? I have every reason to believe that you will achieve your objective, which is to have the Falcon work let you cross-compile to the environment that you believe has future possibilities, and, as long as one person is on loan one day per week, to get MXML compilation working, not much reason whatsoever to believe that on-going developoment of AIR applictions has a future. - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: users@flex.apache.org; flex-us...@incubator.apache.org Sent: February 27, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 9:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Alain Ekambi wrote: For whatever reason people dont think Flex when they think mobile. Bad marketing at Adobe. Nothing more, nothing less. Most people think it will not even run under iOS. I think it's our job to tell the world that Flex IS relevant on mobile, and the numbers will increase.
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At the company I work we have a sales application that runs on Mac + Win + iPad, it could even run on an Android tablet. And it is the same code .. That is what I call flexible. It works great for us and I know it works great for other companies as well. We are also create Mac/Win desktop apps this way for our clients. In that area HTML5 can do nothing, absolutely nothing compared to Flex/AIR. Only for websites I believe HTML is better but than it also comes with cross browser issues. So for productivity Flex/AIR is also much better. And we create our websites in HTML here and our apps in Flex/AIR. Guess who is the least frustrated here, HTML developers or me? It just works here for me :-) My boss asked for a simple HTML application where a tree would grow after playing a video. We created it in HTML, tested in browser and was working fine. Then tested it on iPad and it was REALLY slow (but using Canvas for drawing and using an animated gif). One animated gif worked fine but we needed three separate gifs and that just didn't work smoothly at all. Spend 2-3 days on it. We needed it the next day, so in the evening I created it from scratch in Flex and created an iPad app. My boss again was shown how for cutting edge projects you need Flash/AIR, not HTML at the moment. Fréderic Cox On 28/02/13 16:37, Russell Warren r...@perspexis.com wrote: Regarding comments about Flex on mobile, I'll chime in with a variant on this. I personally don't care much about Flex on mobile (ie: phones), but am definitely interested in Flex on tablets. I separate the two, although I think most don't due to the often similar hardware and OS. Flex is excellent for enterprise (as often stated) and we're heavily invested in it... and this is as a newcomer to Flex in the last year or so, which may be of interest to some. However, 'enterprise' used to mean 'controlled environments using desktop PCs', but these days there is a lot of increased tablet use, especially by execs, in the enterprise space. We haven't crossed that bridge yet, but don't realistically expect to get much of a code base ported from the desktop Flex apps over to the tablet space. One can hope, of course, but I expect that when it comes time for tablet apps we'll be porting a lot of code. Time will tell, and we'll be certainly trying out AIR on that day, but performance expectations for tablets are low based on the few demos we've played with. This only marginally affects our enthusiasm for Flex on the desktop... rewriting code for different platforms is the norm these days, but from a desktop/os/browser portability perspective, Flex/AS3/Flash just can't be beat. Plus it's awesome (no matter what the unfortunate state of public opinion/awareness is). We're sticking with Flex for a while yet. Russ
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Great story! On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Fréderic Cox wrote: At the company I work we have a sales application that runs on Mac + Win + iPad, it could even run on an Android tablet. And it is the same code .. That is what I call flexible. It works great for us and I know it works great for other companies as well. We are also create Mac/Win desktop apps this way for our clients. In that area HTML5 can do nothing, absolutely nothing compared to Flex/AIR. Only for websites I believe HTML is better but than it also comes with cross browser issues. So for productivity Flex/AIR is also much better. And we create our websites in HTML here and our apps in Flex/AIR. Guess who is the least frustrated here, HTML developers or me? It just works here for me :-) My boss asked for a simple HTML application where a tree would grow after playing a video. We created it in HTML, tested in browser and was working fine. Then tested it on iPad and it was REALLY slow (but using Canvas for drawing and using an animated gif). One animated gif worked fine but we needed three separate gifs and that just didn't work smoothly at all. Spend 2-3 days on it. We needed it the next day, so in the evening I created it from scratch in Flex and created an iPad app. My boss again was shown how for cutting edge projects you need Flash/AIR, not HTML at the moment. Fréderic Cox On 28/02/13 16:37, Russell Warren r...@perspexis.com wrote: Regarding comments about Flex on mobile, I'll chime in with a variant on this. I personally don't care much about Flex on mobile (ie: phones), but am definitely interested in Flex on tablets. I separate the two, although I think most don't due to the often similar hardware and OS. Flex is excellent for enterprise (as often stated) and we're heavily invested in it... and this is as a newcomer to Flex in the last year or so, which may be of interest to some. However, 'enterprise' used to mean 'controlled environments using desktop PCs', but these days there is a lot of increased tablet use, especially by execs, in the enterprise space. We haven't crossed that bridge yet, but don't realistically expect to get much of a code base ported from the desktop Flex apps over to the tablet space. One can hope, of course, but I expect that when it comes time for tablet apps we'll be porting a lot of code. Time will tell, and we'll be certainly trying out AIR on that day, but performance expectations for tablets are low based on the few demos we've played with. This only marginally affects our enthusiasm for Flex on the desktop... rewriting code for different platforms is the norm these days, but from a desktop/os/browser portability perspective, Flex/AS3/Flash just can't be beat. Plus it's awesome (no matter what the unfortunate state of public opinion/awareness is). We're sticking with Flex for a while yet. Russ
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On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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@Alain Ekambi -- Where do you get such numbers? Who contributes to them? How do I make them count my projects? * Lionel* On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.comwrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. 2013/2/28 Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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@Lionel I cant disclose how we do it. And we def dont count every project in the world. But our numbers are very accurate. Dont get me wrong we love Flex as a technology( Even though we dont like ActionScript, but that s another story :) ) 95% of our customers simply wont use Flex on mobile. 2013/2/28 Lionel Pierre lion...@medez.com @Alain Ekambi -- Where do you get such numbers? Who contributes to them? How do I make them count my projects? * Lionel* On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. 2013/2/28 Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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If you put 10 people in a room and asked them to identify the platform on which their iPhone/iPad/Android app is based, 9 of them would ask what in the cornbread hell are you talking about?. The 10th would use a bit stronger expletive. MLM From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 11:19 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology @Lionel I cant disclose how we do it. And we def dont count every project in the world. But our numbers are very accurate. Dont get me wrong we love Flex as a technology( Even though we dont like ActionScript, but that s another story :) ) 95% of our customers simply wont use Flex on mobile. 2013/2/28 Lionel Pierre lion...@medez.com @Alain Ekambi -- Where do you get such numbers? Who contributes to them? How do I make them count my projects? * Lionel* On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. 2013/2/28 Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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Hi Alain, Although your numbers may be acceptable for your organisation, without disclosing methodology or making the process open, it has no more value than any other private poll. Sure, your numbers may be spot on, however they could also be so heavily biased that it would become immediately obvious they were flawed. For example you may work for Apple and are checking out the number of people that sign in to the iStore to buy things and discover, not surprisingly, that Flash is not popular at all. As for the future of Flex/Flash, I have been in the industry long enough to have watched the death of numerous products. Java, for example, seems to die every 5 years. We have people today that are working in Perl and swear it is the best thing available, so I do not expect that Flex/Flash is going away any time soon. Whether it is something that has value for mobile phone users, or tablet users, etc. and how it stacks up against the competition there, I could not say. Even if it is only 5%, that 5% might be there for a long time. Brad From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:18:33 PM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology @Lionel I cant disclose how we do it. And we def dont count every project in the world. But our numbers are very accurate. Dont get me wrong we love Flex as a technology( Even though we dont like ActionScript, but that s another story :) ) 95% of our customers simply wont use Flex on mobile. 2013/2/28 Lionel Pierre lion...@medez.com @Alain Ekambi -- Where do you get such numbers? Who contributes to them? How do I make them count my projects? * Lionel* On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. 2013/2/28 Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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I agree with Mike. Users don't understand how things are built, they just understand that they work and that is what is important. I think the old adage, If it ain't broke.. don't fix it comes to mind here in this discussion as well. Flex and AIR either work for your development pipeline or they do not. Currently both give you desktop, web, iOS, Android, and BlackBerry cross platform app propagation in one language. That's a tall order for any other language to fill and the 'hacks' employed just to get other languages to work correctly between different browsers are endless. On a technology side note, since someone brought this up earlier, about the nature of our work as programmers and how it constantly changes. I love and hate that technology moves forward so quickly every year. As an individual I could push myself to learn every new language, library, tool, and IDE imaginable. But for an organization, that's developing applications using a language, a constant switch from one language to another would be expensive, and that's putting it lightly. And again, from a user standpoint, they only want to -do- something, they don't concern themselves with how it was built. Use what works best for you and your organization. And now an analogy about technology. Imagine if an automotive mechanic had to throw out 90% of his tools every 2 or 3 years, purchase new ones, and learn how to use them just so he could work on cars. The trend in the 'hottest' and 'newest' web development languages seems to follow this pattern of throwing out 90% of what you had just so you can use the latest gizmos and gadgets. Small applications can be created doing this but I wouldn't want to build anything large and long term with a pipeline like that. The overhead costs would skyrocket and you can only 'hope' that people are still supporting what you used in the past. Otherwise it would be a complete app rewrite and there again, it becomes incredibly expensive. Thanks to all who are supporting Apache Flex, this is a great language and foundation and I'm glad that it's coming along as well as it is. Steve -Original Message- From: mike_l_mcconn...@lamd.uscourts.gov [mailto:mike_l_mcconn...@lamd.uscourts.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:25 AM To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology If you put 10 people in a room and asked them to identify the platform on which their iPhone/iPad/Android app is based, 9 of them would ask what in the cornbread hell are you talking about?. The 10th would use a bit stronger expletive. MLM From: Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com To: users@flex.apache.org, Date: 02/28/2013 11:19 AM Subject:Re: Future of Flex technology @Lionel I cant disclose how we do it. And we def dont count every project in the world. But our numbers are very accurate. Dont get me wrong we love Flex as a technology( Even though we dont like ActionScript, but that s another story :) ) 95% of our customers simply wont use Flex on mobile. 2013/2/28 Lionel Pierre lion...@medez.com @Alain Ekambi -- Where do you get such numbers? Who contributes to them? How do I make them count my projects? * Lionel* On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. 2013/2/28 Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com On 2/28/2013 10:10 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: We run numbers every year. What numbers? -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAWS. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you.
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I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to the south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex, many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those customers who really wanted AIR apps written. *Jim Powell, MSIST* [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare]https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads] http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE!http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.comwrote: On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe on AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff. I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always succesful) -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ? NWAPAGES.Com On 02/28/2013 12:14 PM, Jim Powell wrote: I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to the south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex, many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those customers who really wanted AIR apps written. *Jim Powell, MSIST* [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare]https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads] http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE!http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.comwrote: On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe on AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff. I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always succesful) -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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I think the Flash part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource. 2013/2/28 Air a...@nwahd.com How Hard is to write a AIR Player ( Open Source ) ? NWAPAGES.Com On 02/28/2013 12:14 PM, Jim Powell wrote: I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to the south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex, many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those customers who really wanted AIR apps written. *Jim Powell, MSIST* [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/**powelljf3https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.**com/powelljf3http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/**profile/view?id=77116609http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/**118350861201230142936https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare]https://**foursquare.com/user/435086https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads] http://www.goodreads.com/**user/show/8945782-jimhttp://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/**landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%** 2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%**2Femail-install%3Futm_source%** 3Dextension%26utm_medium%**3Demail%26utm_campaign%**3Dpromo_33http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE!http://r1.wisestamp.com/**r/landing?promo=33dest=http%** 3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%**2Femail-install%3Futm_source%** 3Dextension%26utm_medium%**3Demail%26utm_campaign%**3Dpromo_33http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com wrote: On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe on AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff. I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always succesful) -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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On 2/28/2013 1:20 PM, Alain Ekambi wrote: I think the Flash part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource. Not impossible; but I would expect it to be very difficult if you want 100% compatibility. There are some things, such as video playback which rely on patents or other licensed technology. There are a bunch of open source Flash player alternatives. Gnash is one that comes to mind -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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There is a perception that data could actually mean something, while I have been working on my Doctorate over the past years, I have learned this is not always true. There is a report out that world-wide Microsoft products only appear on 42% of the computers. This is a fully accurate statement, no bias, however, it does include countries where it is illegal to own Microsoft products and countries where it is illegal for Microsoft to sell products. Although the data is accurate, it is not really correct in that there could be a significant change if those countries were opened to a choice. Within my dissertation, I could very easily assert things which aren't really true, but I have data to back them up, I won't, but I could. Good data can be manipulated to show anything you like if you are willing to show the correlation available in it. For example, Stanford just released a study that shows there are no health benefits to Organic food, the pro-organic people took the data and produced a report showing how good it is for you. Same data, different perspective! In this thread there seems to be both pro and con, with no verifiable data for either side being produced meaning there is no real argument involved other than opinion. *Jim Powell, MSIST* Schedule time on my calendar at http://meetme.so/jimpowell [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare]https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads] http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Contact me: [image: Google Talk] powell...@gmail.com [image: Google Talk] powell...@frailmoon.com [image: MSN] powell...@hotmail.com [image: Y! Messenger] powell...@yahoo.com [image: ICQ] 83121506 [image: Skype]powelljf3 [image: My QR VCard] Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE!http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jim Powell powell...@gmail.com wrote: I will have to chime in at this point, much like Jeffry I try to convince my clients to use the best technology available for the given product. We live in the valley of Oracle (there are 5 Oracle offices in this valley (Salt Lake)), so Java is a big draw, Adobe is just over the mountain to the south, so Flex is a big draw as well. I will not say that there are not some issues in the minds of customers at this point when it comes to flex, many aren't comfortable with Open Source when it is stated as such, but I have not slowed down in the number of Flex contracts or Java contracts in the past 2 years, just had to convince a little harder with those customers who really wanted AIR apps written. *Jim Powell, MSIST* [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare] https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads]http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE!http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.comwrote: On 2/28/2013 11:42 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: Who uses which framework when and for what. Where do you get said numbers? The only thing I ever saw from Adobe on AIR usage or Flex usage was marketing stuff. I have always tried to direct my clients to choose technology based on merit for their use case; not on what others are doing. ( I'm not always succesful) -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
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On 2/28/13 10:20 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Flash part of AIR makes it impossible to opensource. Well, I don't think that is 100% true. There are features of the runtime that currently use proprietary third-party libraries that could potentially block an effort to open source the runtimes as-is, but it doesn't mean that an open source community couldn't replicate the functionality of those libraries or the third-parties couldn't be convinced to donate or replicate those libraries. But the probability of that happening is low right now, and I still believe the gating factor is in the testing resources required to deliver the runtimes to all of its targets. Way back in the archives, Dave McAllister mentioned at least one open source Flash project. -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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The perception that Flex is in trouble is mostly a flub from the Adobe Marketing and PR people. I think the real issue is that Adobe just couldn't figure out how to make any serious money off it. There was once a company called Sun that had a similar problem - with Java. I think open sourcing Flex was the best thing that could possibly happen to it. If a community builds around it and a few good releases make their way out under the Apache umbrella, I think it could have a renaissance. The next time someone tells you HTML 5 is going to kill Flash, get out your iphone, press record and ask them to tell you what HTML 5 is. This is even more fun with someone from the technology press. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Jim Powell powell...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:22 AM, habdulma...@ccc.com.lb wrote: Anybody tried working on a big AIR app? I'm interested to know about the performance! We are having a project and I'm thinking about using AIR! Main purpose as heavy data entry for our document controllers I actually have. I wrote a system for lab systems which runs if the network is down. Thousands of tests an hour, then uploads the data to an online database once the network comes back up. I will admit it is not a speedy system, but it seems to run faster than the Java that was there before it. I think it could be made faster once the features are all in place and fully in production, but for now it is functional. *Jim Powell, MSIST* [image: Facebook] https://www.facebook.com/powelljf3 [image: Twitter]http://www.twitter.com/powelljf3 [image: LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=77116609 [image: Google Plus] https://plus.google.com/118350861201230142936 [image: foursquare]https://foursquare.com/user/435086 [image: goodreads] http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/8945782-jim Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. Create your free signature: http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 CLICK HERE! http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=33dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_33 -- Jeffrey Payne Chief Technology Officer Flex Rental Solutions, LLC 357 W. 700 S. Orem, Utah 84058 (206) 257-8708 www.flexrentalsolutions.com j...@flexrentalsolutions.com Flex 4 - Winner of Rental Staging Magazine's Best Rental Management Software Award for 2012
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Moving this off-line thread with Terry back to the mailing list with his permission: On 2/28/13 10:09 AM, Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: B. Someone MUST get out in front of the ever-changing landscape instead of letting those of us who DO NOT PLAN TO WRITE GAMES have to guess or imagine what the path will be to being able to continue to develop/enhance our products that right now are teetering between resources you control and resources that Adobe controls. Compilation resources AND runtime resources are both required to get the desired results. If Thibault gets Adobe to add exciting new functionality X to his AIR SDK, it most assuredly will only be accessible via Actionscript and if the way to implement exciting new functionality X is via changes/enhancements to ASC2, when/where/how, precisely, should folks dependent upon your latest/greatest Spark-Based Accordian component expect to be able to roll it out in a new release of their own applications with shiney new functionality X? If an AIR SDK gets new ActionScript functionality, we should be able to access it from Adobe Flex. I don't expect changes to the language that only the ASC2 compiler can handle, and minor changes to ASC2 we can probably get donated. But keep in mind, those changes will be focused on Gaming and therefore Stage3D, and are less likely to be relevant to Flex apps. C. I am certain that you have thought about those issues, but if your own private preference is to want to be able to offer exciting new functionality X, in a browser using whatever the evolving standards body offers in HTML/CSS/Javascript, it leaves the impression that being able to do that with respect to desktop applications dependent upon the Adobe Integrated Runtime is NOT a priority, as seems confirmed by the fact that Gordon is only on loan one day per week, and there is apparently no published task list of which specific MXML components have already been tested, which specific MXML components properly compile, which specific MXML components fail, and which specific MXML components have not even been looked at because no one in the community has sent him a test case. IMO, MXML handling in Falcon is not yet at the point where a work list is even prudent. It will take longer to try to describe everything that is not yet working than to just sit down and try to fix it. Eventually, we will try to make the entire Mustella suite pass with Falcon, but right now, it can't even compile the SDK's checkintest. D. Blogs, tweets and mailing lists are NOT the way that products are managed. If either your job description as stated by Apache, or your job description, as specified by your being on loan from Adobe does not include Product Mangement, and is circumscribed by the usual job description for Project Management, I think that passing my particular observations on to the next higher level in the chain of command would be best. If Product Management is in your portfolio, then my suggestion is that you find an appropriate publishing/dissemination mechanism for getting the message out to the marketplace. There is no chain-of-command in Apache per-se. The PMC is tasked with specific processes regarding code releases and new members, but code-wise, the committers are all on the same level, and there are no traditional product roles like Product Management, Project Management, Marketing, Quality Assurance, Development Management, etc. We bought into this culture by becoming an Apache project. I agree that Apache Flex could do better in outbound messaging, but that is outside my area, and Adobe is not going to offer up people to help (I asked). Right now my main goal is to get the JS prototype to a point where I think it is worth making more noise about and then start making noise. If you have thoughts on what we should be saying about the current Apache Flex, please offer it up. Keep in mind that Apache Flex mostly consists of volunteers: very few folks get to spend all day on it like I do, so the project has generally agreed to avoid making promises about the future. So if there is a message about what we have already done that needs to get out and you have a suggestion about how to get that out, I am eager to hear it. Best regards, Terry Corbet - Original Message - From: Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com To: Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com; jef...@dot-com-it.com Sent: February 28, 2013 09:35 AM Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology Hi Terry, Please re-post this on the mailing list so I can clear up your misunderstandings there and probably help out a bunch of folks who also have the same misunderstandings. Thanks, -Alex On 2/28/13 9:18 AM, Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Jeff, Taking this offline since flame-throwing was not my reason for pointing out that Alex's enthusiasm for cross-compiling to HTML/CSS/Javascript causes me a good
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Hi, A. What version of Flash and AIR does the latest release of the Apache Flex SDK support? I could be wrong, because it is so out of date that I have not bothered to try it, but when I checked a couple of weeks ago the answers were: Flash 11.2 and AIR 3.4. In the README we state that it's compatible with all versions of Flash Player 10.2 to 11.5 and AIR 3.1 to 3.4. It's been fully tested on FP 11.1, 11.5 and AIR 3.4 on windows and OSX.Currenly we don't have the resources to test on every Flash Player, AIR version and platform. We've recently added support for 11.6 and AIR 3.6 and the next version of Apache Flex is likely to be released with these versions tested. Thanks, Justin
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With Adobe obviously focusing on improving the runtime for the gaming stuff, that in theory should be good for Flex if the new features can be utilized by class updates in the framework right? I'm pretty knowledgeable and familiar with Actionscript as it has matured over the years, but not as much with the inner workings of the Flex source, but from my understanding hopefully I'm on the right track there. With Flex being focused primarily on data driven apps, as opposed to custom applications (games) would it be possible to create some new Flex components that utilize Stage3D? I know there are some simple controls that have been built using starling, feathers UI, but I imagine the same technique used there could be applied to Flex components. Also maybe there could be some Flex components related more to the 3D context itself. My understanding is that the display list which is the normal 2D graphic pipeline sits on top of an underlying 3D context that is initialized but maybe Flex could be useful in adding some interoperability between the two. So possibly a set of components that renders out to the 3D stage as opposed to the display list. That might be a little too abstract of a description but it would be great if there were not only components to create stage3D contexts in a Flex application (I think that you are supposed to be able to have multiple contexts in a single application), but also to be able to pass in something to a context via a flex component. So the component would initialize the context and make sure it's visible and size it etc, but then you could nest things in the component in order to control the innards of the context itself. Just a few thoughts, but these are the kinds of things that I imagine in terms of Flex maybe being able to utilize new features from the runtime as they come out, besides the cross compiling work. Thanks, David Hertenstein Lead Developer .idea T. 214.529.0668 E. david.hertenst...@idea.com www.idea.com -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:15 PM To: Terry Corbet; jef...@dot-com-it.com; users@flex.apache.org Cc: Harbs Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology Moving this off-line thread with Terry back to the mailing list with his permission: On 2/28/13 10:09 AM, Terry Corbet tcor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: B. Someone MUST get out in front of the ever-changing landscape instead of letting those of us who DO NOT PLAN TO WRITE GAMES have to guess or imagine what the path will be to being able to continue to develop/enhance our products that right now are teetering between resources you control and resources that Adobe controls. Compilation resources AND runtime resources are both required to get the desired results. If Thibault gets Adobe to add exciting new functionality X to his AIR SDK, it most assuredly will only be accessible via Actionscript and if the way to implement exciting new functionality X is via changes/enhancements to ASC2, when/where/how, precisely, should folks dependent upon your latest/greatest Spark-Based Accordian component expect to be able to roll it out in a new release of their own applications with shiney new functionality X? If an AIR SDK gets new ActionScript functionality, we should be able to access it from Adobe Flex. I don't expect changes to the language that only the ASC2 compiler can handle, and minor changes to ASC2 we can probably get donated. But keep in mind, those changes will be focused on Gaming and therefore Stage3D, and are less likely to be relevant to Flex apps. C. I am certain that you have thought about those issues, but if your own private preference is to want to be able to offer exciting new functionality X, in a browser using whatever the evolving standards body offers in HTML/CSS/Javascript, it leaves the impression that being able to do that with respect to desktop applications dependent upon the Adobe Integrated Runtime is NOT a priority, as seems confirmed by the fact that Gordon is only on loan one day per week, and there is apparently no published task list of which specific MXML components have already been tested, which specific MXML components properly compile, which specific MXML components fail, and which specific MXML components have not even been looked at because no one in the community has sent him a test case. IMO, MXML handling in Falcon is not yet at the point where a work list is even prudent. It will take longer to try to describe everything that is not yet working than to just sit down and try to fix it. Eventually, we will try to make the entire Mustella suite pass with Falcon, but right now, it can't even compile the SDK's checkintest. D. Blogs, tweets and mailing lists are NOT the way that products are managed. If either your job description as stated by Apache, or your job description, as specified
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Is there plan for Flex Mobile to support Windows 8 tablet? On Thursday, February 28, 2013, Angelo Anolin angelo.ano...@gmail.com wrote: I am unsure where you got the notion that no improvement is coming or being made with Flex, but such statements undermine the hard work done by people like Justin, Alex, Nick and Om to name a few. Flex is not just for desktop as it also compiles to AIR which can target mobile android, ios and blackberry devices. I believe it would be up to you whether you think that Flex has no future and you need to shift your focus with other technologies. On Feb 27, 2013 10:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Please give your comments. I am having 5+ years of experience in flex and a bit confused about future. Is it better to shift from flex? -- Thanks Regards, Devesh Mishra
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On 2/27/13 10:02 PM, Bonan Li bona...@gmail.com wrote: Is there plan for Flex Mobile to support Windows 8 tablet? Today, Flex runs wherever Adobe AIR and Adobe Flash runs. -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: Future of Flex technology
Sorry Guys. It was not my intention to hurt in anyways. I am just worried about my future. -Original Message- From: Angelo Anolin [mailto:angelo.ano...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 February 2013 11:24 To: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology I am unsure where you got the notion that no improvement is coming or being made with Flex, but such statements undermine the hard work done by people like Justin, Alex, Nick and Om to name a few. Flex is not just for desktop as it also compiles to AIR which can target mobile android, ios and blackberry devices. I believe it would be up to you whether you think that Flex has no future and you need to shift your focus with other technologies. On Feb 27, 2013 10:48 PM, Devesh Mishra devesh.mis...@mastek.com wrote: Hi, Is there any future of Flex technology, as we can see that there are no big improvements are coming in Flex. According to today's scenario, Flex is only for desktop application and we are entering into mobile technology. So it's a bit difficult to understand the future existence of Flex. If we talk from market point of view, everyone is moving towards HTML5/Android/Ios, after Adobe declaration for no support in Flash/Flex. Please give your comments. I am having 5+ years of experience in flex and a bit confused about future. Is it better to shift from flex? -- Thanks Regards, Devesh Mishra
Re: Future of Flex technology
On 2/27/13 10:17 PM, Bonan Li bona...@gmail.com wrote: We have an application built in Flex mobile. It can lunch the camera app on the mobile device, take pictures and save the pictures in SQLite. One of our clients shifts to Surface. However we are not able to deploy this app as a native app on Surface since it is not supported right now. We can rebuild it as a desktop app to run on surface, then we lost the camera function. Is there a way to get the camera function work on surface, the windows 8 pro tablet? My main focus is Flex and I am not up to speed on the latest developments in Adobe AIR. There is no camera in Adobe AIR? -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: Future of Flex technology
All... RE: There is no camera in Adobe AIR? Adobe article cross platform camera adobe air... @ http://blogs.adobe.com/cantrell/archives/2011/02/how-to-use-cameraui-in-a-cross-platform-way.html First thing that's pops up on a google search... Obviously this person is baiting the group, although their general ? re: the roadmap of Apache flex and Adobe AIR, longer term, has merit. Just my two cents... (I think flex/air is fantastic technology) //GH -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:07 PM To: bonan...@gmail.com Cc: users@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Future of Flex technology On 2/27/13 10:17 PM, Bonan Li bona...@gmail.com wrote: We have an application built in Flex mobile. It can lunch the camera app on the mobile device, take pictures and save the pictures in SQLite. One of our clients shifts to Surface. However we are not able to deploy this app as a native app on Surface since it is not supported right now. We can rebuild it as a desktop app to run on surface, then we lost the camera function. Is there a way to get the camera function work on surface, the windows 8 pro tablet? My main focus is Flex and I am not up to speed on the latest developments in Adobe AIR. There is no camera in Adobe AIR? -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
