date:20110909

On 09/09/2011 04:58 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 06:13 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
>>> Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)
 I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
 references a font that is not available.
>>> Well, pls read the reply that I had send before. And see the nice
>>> image that Nuno has made for you :-)
>>>
>>>
>> It guess the question then would be: what is the 'closest available
>> font' that will be used?
>>
>> In OOo 3.2 you could look at the VCL.xcu file and somewhat figure it
>> out. However after 3.2 their is no longer a VCL.xcu and I've no idea
>> what is used as the replacement.
...
> 
> Here is a document is something I made in 2006 from various sources 
> about look-alike font.  This is a manual version to help deal with fonts 
> and what ones work.  It was created to deal with web pages and dealing 
> with installed fonts on the computer and CSS name lists so the page will 
> display properly.  It may no help with what LO will use as a substitute, 
> but it might be a good reference for some people.
> 
> libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf 
> 
>
> [actually 26 pages for this version  22 page at 8 point display font]
> 
> For the font called Broadway, here is what the list shows as it 
> look-alike fonts
> Bravo
> Big City
> Deco
> Hudson
> Moderne
> Ritz
> Showtime
> Superb

I created a simple doc with a fictitious font 'supercalifrag' and then
exported as a PDF/1 and the default (on my system) ends up as DejaVuSans
(Embedded Subset). That seems to be the hardwired font included in LO
3.x. But I don't know how to test with others (Asian etc). But the
question still remains as to how to determine what the substitute font
is/will be. And without the VLC.xcu file I've no idea where to look next.





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[libreoffice-users] table deletion. save text

2011-09-09 Thread 20rdj04

In a lot of my stories, old and new, LibreOffice thinks they are tables; that
is, there is a gray box around several paragraphs, usually toward the end. 
Or, starting with the 1st or second or third or... paragraph to the end.  I
want to keep the stories, but delete the 'tables'.  I have tried to put the
cursor into the top left corner of the box and 'table delete.'  Actually, I
can't find Table|Delete: I find Table|Convert.  Convert shows Text to Table
and Table to Text, but Table to Text is grayed out.  I have tried to gray
the story, and convert table to text.  One story I Saved As text; paragraphs
now run together.  I have no trouble moving the cursor from the first line
to the last (Ctrl-End), but if I try to go back to the first line
(Ctrl-Home), the cursor will stop inside the top corner of the box.  

The most recent story I downloaded has the gray box from just below the
title to the end.  I can click on table in the (top) menu, which will show
Insert, Delete, and Select.  When I click on Select, all four choices
(Table, Rows, Columns, Cells) are grayed out.

I didn't get all my macro questions answered, but I'll come back to those
later on.  Right now, I am only worried about the gray boxes.

Thanks.

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[libreoffice-users] Do LO installers have Java Runtime?

2011-09-09 Thread David B Teague sr


I run W7 64 bit, 4 gig RAM.
jre-6u19-windows-i586-s.exe

I have three questions:  Do I want to install LO 3.4.3 or LO 3.3.4? Why?
and
OO.o was available with or without Java in the installer. The Java 
Runtime with OO.o was always old,  so I always fetched the OO.o 
installation without Java runtime. I find no mention of whether LO has 
java runtime with the installer. Could someone tell me about this?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


On 9/9/11 5:33 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:


On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with
rather than try
to alienate new users surely?


I dont agree with you.


There are many nuances as to why sometimes top posting is a better
choice, but, because this is really a personal preference that I
frequently see turn into a mean-spirited flame war, I won't bother to
enumerate them here and now.

Are you aware of any email software that can be configured to easily
deal with bottom posting (ie, when you hit reply, it places the cursor
at the bottom of the message rather than the top, and, while reading the
email, it skips the repeated top content and places the view screen
beginning at the first new content)?

I always figured that I should top AND bottom post. You decide if that
is so that everyone will be happy, or no one will be happy :-)



Thunderbird will start your reply at the bottom.  And I've seen others
with this option also.  But I've never seen any email program that
will go simply to the new content.  I'm not sure it would even be
possible, as a lot of where the new content in would depend on what
the writer/poster did.


I guess some programs will have an option to "collapse" quoted text. I
suggest searching in addons.mozilla.org for a thunderbird extension that
does that (I thought QuoteColors did it, but apparently it doesn't).


Quote colors would really be nice, but it's incompatible with this 
version of TB at the moment.  I hope the author updates it.


I did find Quote Highlight and QuoteCollapse, and I suspect the second 
one does what you are requesting.  I can take a screenshot of what it 
does and email it if you would like to see the results.



Other clients will do a pretty good job, like Claws-Mail, but I don't
know about collapsing quoted text.

As for Gnus, either it does have some way to collapse quoted text or you
hack it so that it does.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font Substitution


On 09/09/2011 06:13 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
references a font that is not available.

Well, pls read the reply that I had send before. And see the nice
image that Nuno has made for you :-)



It guess the question then would be: what is the 'closest available
font' that will be used?

In OOo 3.2 you could look at the VCL.xcu file and somewhat figure it
out. However after 3.2 their is no longer a VCL.xcu and I've no idea
what is used as the replacement.





Here is a document is something I made in 2006 from various sources 
about look-alike font.  This is a manual version to help deal with fonts 
and what ones work.  It was created to deal with web pages and dealing 
with installed fonts on the computer and CSS name lists so the page will 
display properly.  It may no help with what LO will use as a substitute, 
but it might be a good reference for some people.


libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf 
   
[actually 26 pages for this version  22 page at 8 point display font]


For the font called Broadway, here is what the list shows as it 
look-alike fonts

   Bravo
   Big City
   Deco
   Hudson
   Moderne
   Ritz
   Showtime
   Superb




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:

> On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>> On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>>> On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with
 rather than try
 to alienate new users surely?
>>>
>>> I dont agree with you.
>>
>> There are many nuances as to why sometimes top posting is a better
>> choice, but, because this is really a personal preference that I
>> frequently see turn into a mean-spirited flame war, I won't bother to
>> enumerate them here and now.
>>
>> Are you aware of any email software that can be configured to easily
>> deal with bottom posting (ie, when you hit reply, it places the cursor
>> at the bottom of the message rather than the top, and, while reading the
>> email, it skips the repeated top content and places the view screen
>> beginning at the first new content)?
>>
>> I always figured that I should top AND bottom post. You decide if that
>> is so that everyone will be happy, or no one will be happy :-)
>>
>
> Thunderbird will start your reply at the bottom.  And I've seen others
> with this option also.  But I've never seen any email program that
> will go simply to the new content.  I'm not sure it would even be
> possible, as a lot of where the new content in would depend on what
> the writer/poster did.

I guess some programs will have an option to "collapse" quoted text. I
suggest searching in addons.mozilla.org for a thunderbird extension that
does that (I thought QuoteColors did it, but apparently it doesn't).

Other clients will do a pretty good job, like Claws-Mail, but I don't
know about collapsing quoted text.

As for Gnus, either it does have some way to collapse quoted text or you
hack it so that it does.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread David B Teague sr


On 9/8/2011 9:00 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
- HTML formatted texts too 


I hear that a lot. You should get a mail program that can be set to 
ignore HTML. Thunderbird can be set to ignore HTML. I'm sure there are 
others.


TB, if set to ignore HTML used to give you a blank screen (and a 
warning?) when messages with only HTML, no text, arrived. I don't know 
what the latest TB incarnation does.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Font Substitution

On 09/09/2011 03:03 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)
>> I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
>> references a font that is not available.
> 
> Well, pls read the reply that I had send before. And see the nice
> image that Nuno has made for you :-)
> 
> 

It guess the question then would be: what is the 'closest available
font' that will be used?

In OOo 3.2 you could look at the VCL.xcu file and somewhat figure it
out. However after 3.2 their is no longer a VCL.xcu and I've no idea
what is used as the replacement.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 2:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with
rather than try
to alienate new users surely?


I dont agree with you.


There are many nuances as to why sometimes top posting is a better
choice, but, because this is really a personal preference that I
frequently see turn into a mean-spirited flame war, I won't bother to
enumerate them here and now.

Are you aware of any email software that can be configured to easily
deal with bottom posting (ie, when you hit reply, it places the cursor
at the bottom of the message rather than the top, and, while reading the
email, it skips the repeated top content and places the view screen
beginning at the first new content)?

I always figured that I should top AND bottom post. You decide if that
is so that everyone will be happy, or no one will be happy :-)



Thunderbird will start your reply at the bottom.  And I've seen others 
with this option also.  But I've never seen any email program that will 
go simply to the new content.  I'm not sure it would even be possible, 
as a lot of where the new content in would depend on what the 
writer/poster did.




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Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 6.0.2
Thunderbird 6.0.2
LibreOffice 3.3.3


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

On 09/09/2011 01:51 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:27 -0700, NoOp wrote:
>> Really? I see nothing hidden here:
>> 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc313071%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>> 
> 
> I think the interesting bit is the following:
> 
> "Microsoft has patents that may cover your implementations of the
> technologies described in the Open Specifications. Neither this notice
> nor Microsoft's delivery of the documentation grants any licenses under
> those or any other Microsoft patents. However, a given Open
> Specification may be covered ..."
> 
> The emphasis, I feel, is on the word "may".
> 
> The US notion of software patents is an abhorrence that pollutes and
> cripples software development everywhere in the world. So even more than
> ensuring that the FSM takes His Rightful Place (TM), it should be the
> overriding goal of every domestic citizen to repeal such legislation.
> 
> Cheers, Dave
> (a non-domestic infidel)

:-)

I followed the link for the patents and it redirects to:

[Open Specification Promise]
and


Don't know enough about it to comment otherwise.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution


Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a 
font that is not available.


Well, pls read the reply that I had send before.
And see the nice image that Nuno has made for you :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Problems with slides imported from Powerpoint

2011-09-09 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
There might be a faster route.  Can you use PowerPoint to "Save As ..." the 
older MS format, ppt?  The option is something like "MS PowerPoint 
(98/Xp/2000)".  There might be an option to save as odp (=OpenDocument 
Presentation) but that uses the older 1.0/1.1 format which  strips out all the 
notes, apparently, so avoid it.  

The older MS format, ppt, should open fine in Impress and hopefully you can 
then save in the newer odp format.  You can probably do that straight from a 
command-line without even opening the presentations so you could get through a 
LOT of presentations very fast at that point.  

Sadly Impress does have a lot of problems.  Apparently devs are working at it 
but it's not there yet.  There are other OpenSource, or at least free (with a 
little f) programs, that are good for presentations.  

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)


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From: mlevison 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Problems with slides imported from 
Powerpoint
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 20:41

I have a large body of slides originally created in Powerpoint. Recently I
was asked my a client to move them to LibreOffice. At this stage I'm having
a frustrating experience:

- Import done by opening pptx files in Impress 3.3.x
- When I opened the files I noticed the notes didn't come across
- When I tried to add the notes I couldn't edit the notes field
- When I run the presentation on a project I can see my original notes

Is this is a common problem. I'm at the point of just asking my client to
pay for MS office licenses because it will be cheaper than the time I'm
spending on this.

Please help restore my faith.
Mark Levison

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Howorth

On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:27 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> Really? I see nothing hidden here:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc313071%28v=office.12%29.aspx
> 

I think the interesting bit is the following:

"Microsoft has patents that may cover your implementations of the
technologies described in the Open Specifications. Neither this notice
nor Microsoft's delivery of the documentation grants any licenses under
those or any other Microsoft patents. However, a given Open
Specification may be covered ..."

The emphasis, I feel, is on the word "may".

The US notion of software patents is an abhorrence that pollutes and
cripples software development everywhere in the world. So even more than
ensuring that the FSM takes His Rightful Place (TM), it should be the
overriding goal of every domestic citizen to repeal such legislation.

Cheers, Dave
(a non-domestic infidel)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 09/08/2011 10:42 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with 
rather than try

to alienate new users surely?


I dont agree with you.


There are many nuances as to why sometimes top posting is a better 
choice, but, because this is really a personal preference that I 
frequently see turn into a mean-spirited flame war, I won't bother to 
enumerate them here and now.


Are you aware of any email software that can be configured to easily 
deal with bottom posting (ie, when you hit reply, it places the cursor 
at the bottom of the message rather than the top, and, while reading the 
email, it skips the repeated top content and places the view screen 
beginning at the first new content)?


I always figured that I should top AND bottom post. You decide if that 
is so that everyone will be happy, or no one will be happy :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote:
> 
> > How Does one get off this list?  I have done everything  suggested and
> > still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in.
> > I asked one question got no help.  PLEASE take me off the list!
> 
> To get off this list, you have to *unsubscribe*. Instructions for that
> have been appended to ALL MESSAGES IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
> FILLING YOUR E-MAIL BOX, and yet you managed to ignore
> that. Congratulations.

Ease up. The guy said he followed all the instructions. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 09:25:18AM -0700, Dave Douglas wrote:
> How Does one get off this list?  I have done everything  suggested
> and still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest
> in.  I asked one question got no help.  PLEASE take me off the list!

1. Did you reply to the confirmation email? 
2. Don't hijack threads
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution



Yes.  That is an issue.  Having the document saved with Caslon 540 BT, 
and you do not have that font installed.


I came across this issue myself.  It showed a font in the list for the 
font of the document, but I had not installed it.


I just remembered having this extension available.  It might help.
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-ons-extensions/testFontsJTB.oxt

On 09/09/2011 03:45 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts

Thank you.  That will be useful.  I currently have no mappings.

  I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font is 
missing.  As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for that text, 
even if it is not on the system.  The only way to tell that what is on screen 
in substituted is to determine that you don't actually have that font.

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a 
font that is not available.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann&  Carr Inc.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution

On 2011-09-09, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
> wrote:
>> On 09/09/2011 01:28 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
>>> Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50)
 What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being
 substituted by Writer and what those substitutions are?
>>>
>>> Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font,
>>> in the lower half?
>>> (Have no example at hand, as far as I know).
>>
>> The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts
>
> Thank you.  That will be useful.  I currently have no mappings. 
>
>  I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font
> is missing.  As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for
> that text, even if it is not on the system.  The only way to tell that
> what is on screen in substituted is to determine that you don't
> actually have that font.
>
> I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
> references a font that is not available.

Well, it does not alert you with a sudden, loud warning sound and red
lights, but it lets you see if a certain font is actually available or
not.

At least in the "Character" properties (right click, Character...),
"Font" tab. Here "Paragraph..." has no such tab, but if it shows one,
it's probably just like the one from "Character...".

If the font in use is installed and can be used for printing, you will see

   The same font will be used on both your printer and your screen.

(screenshot: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/483/chardlgok.png)

Otherwise, it will say

   This font has not been installed. The closest available font will be
   used.

(screenshot: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6444/chardlg.png)

And I guess for some fonts there will be a message saying these will
look different on your printer, but I don't have any of these installed.

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[libreoffice-users] odf purists mailing list request

Readers,

Analogous to the creation of LO, it is time to consider an "odf
purists" mailing list for users such as yours truly who are tired of
the m$ groupies yearning for a free m$ clone.

Is there a formal procedure to request for the creation of a new
mailing list, with the provisional intention as dedicated solely and
exclusively to native odf behaviour for LO?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution

2011-09-09 Thread Tod Hopkins

On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
> 
> The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts

Thank you.  That will be useful.  I currently have no mappings. 

 I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font is 
missing.  As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for that text, 
even if it is not on the system.  The only way to tell that what is on screen 
in substituted is to determine that you don't actually have that font.  

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a 
font that is not available.

Cheers,
   tod

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

On 09/09/2011, krisb  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first message here so please be tolerant :)
> Maybe it is a not right place to ask, but let me start. I'm wondering if is
> possible to open encrypted xlsx/docx files in Libo?

Wrong place, silly question. To illustrate, create an encrypted file
using any non-m$ product. Go to m$ mailing list and ask the inverse to
the above question.

> concept of protecting files exclude possibility of opening it in competitors
> software, since it would be a breaking of encryption algorithm and it would
> be against MSO rights. Am I right?

Totally irrelevant to LO. Please create an encrypted odf document and
ask if LO is supposed to open it (or not).

> Moving away from the solution through the conversion to xls/doc, in general,
> is there a chance to open encrypted ***x file in Libo?
>

Equally irrelevant; see above

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[libreoffice-users] Impress: Problems with slides imported from Powerpoint

2011-09-09 Thread mlevison

I have a large body of slides originally created in Powerpoint. Recently I
was asked my a client to move them to LibreOffice. At this stage I'm having
a frustrating experience:

- Import done by opening pptx files in Impress 3.3.x
- When I opened the files I noticed the notes didn't come across
- When I tried to add the notes I couldn't edit the notes field
- When I run the presentation on a project I can see my original notes

Is this is a common problem. I'm at the point of just asking my client to
pay for MS office licenses because it will be cheaper than the time I'm
spending on this.

Please help restore my faith.
Mark Levison

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[libreoffice-users] Re: ODF 1.2 Approval and Extensions (was RE: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx f...)

2011-09-09 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 09/08/2011 07:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I agree.  I think the question was asked better here, in terms of
> what the consequences for user choice are.  I also think the answer
> about Draw and Impress is nicely concrete.
> 
> The only way I can think of other than that is to see how those
> features show up in the XML representation of the document.  Then one
> might look to see if there are any others in documents, but hitting
> one that way may be a wild-goose chase.  I agree, there should be a
> documented list somewhere.
> 
> It would also be good to see how such features are ignored in other
> products (older versions and newer) that were doubtless implemented
> in ignorance of those features. (An easy thing to check would be to
> see what Word 2007 would do with an .odt having comments in drawings.
> A standard action would be to silently ignore the extension.  I can
> try Symphony too.)
> 
> This may be off-topic for [libreoffice-users] except understanding
> about the interoperability impact of configuration options seems
> useful for those who work with multiple products.
...
This may be of interest regarding ODF validity:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37390
[Bug 37390 - LibreOffice does not create valid ODF.]
Includes links to the April thread & some of the tests that I did using

Also see:




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution



The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts


On 09/09/2011 01:28 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi Tod,

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50)
What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted 
by Writer and what those substitutions are?


Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font, 
in the lower half?

(Have no example at hand, as far as I know).





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject lines - another gripe...

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:04:28PM +0100, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> On 2011-09-08, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> 
> > Messages are not threaded on subject. For a test reply to a message in a
> > thread and change the subject line. It should still appear in the
> > thread. You will occasionally see someone admonished on a list for
> > replying to a threaded message, changing the subject line, and writing
> > about an unrelated subject. 
> 
> Robert, the issue is that OP's mail client actually does threading based
> on subject, instead of relying on threading information.
> 
> So if he did that, he would actually see two different threads.
> 
> (So, indeed, normal threading does not work this way, but Pegasus'
> "threading" does.)

So I gathered from reading subsequent posts. Hadn't heard of it before.
What a great reason not to use Pegasus. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Adopting LibreOffice in Corporate Environments

2011-09-09 Thread jorge

+1

El vie, 09-09-2011 a las 07:21 +0100, Onyeibo Oku escribió:
> I felt it only logical to make this discussion a new thread. It appears
> interesting.  I suspect it wont be the first time it is discussed and I
> do hope the Devs take such comparative discussions seriously.
> 
> That said, I'd like to start with a Quote from At0mic:
> > Aye. It's just that working in the "real world" as opposed to ranting on a
> > Linux forum showed me how far Linux and open-source has to go for even
> > making a dent in the monopoly Microsoft has on the corporate desktop. It
> > would be NICE of course if Libre/OpenOffice was used more, but it isn't, and
> > there isn't as yet much imputus to change.
> > 
> Change, as constant as it is doesn't come easy for the majority.  Habits
> are hard to break even when proven wrong. Microsoft is both a majority
> and a habit and it takes the daring and strong to be free.  Linux and
> open-source is not a place for lazy people. Change starts when enough
> people question status-quo.
> 
> > When I released this, I decided it's better to stop being so fanatical about
> > Linux and open-soruce and instead understand WHY people use things such as
> > Outlook so much, and I discovered it's because Microsoft are damn good at
> > finding out what their customers want. Implementation needs a little work
> > sometimes, but they aren't stupid.
> 
> That's a good one. Guess what people want? The want to get on with their
> lives and really done care how the catalysts get created. So, it follows
> that if they're already doing that with Option-A, they wont see reasons
> to try Option-B even when Option-B may be more suitable for them. I
> speak based on observations from my environs.  People here use M$-Office
> not because they know about exchange or cool features like automation.
> They do so because they first knew M$-Office.
> 
> 90% of these people cant understand serious formula syntaxes for Excel
> or Calc. They are happy with Summations only or a few more basic stuff.
>  Guess what?  I'm discussing business here not individuals.  You and I
> know that Calc will conveniently replace their pirated bloat-ware
> (bloat-ware because they use less than half the features packed into it
> ... and worse, its a hacked product).  These are the people who need
> Calc and open-source products the most.  They cant afford bloat-ware but
> for some weird reason they just want the label -- "Hey, I know/use
> M$-Office too" -- Its crazy
> 
> Like you said, Microsoft knows how to take advantage of their customer's
> inclinations (its about the money eventually).  These people are lazy so
> 'ease' matters.  Implementation may not be so good underneath but who
> cares ... they don't even see it.  So they 'dope' the less enlightened
> majority with 'ease' while they tidy up on the hidden mess gradually.
> It works because changing the majority's collective choice later will be
> harder when the habit is formed.
> 
> Here is another example:  For instance, I have been porting a tool I
> developed for 'easing' the pain of fellow lecturers in creating
> grade/result sheets at our University.  It was written for Excel 2003 in
> VBA.  It was relatively 'easier' to develop compared to my route in
> LibreOffice (well that, because I chose a different language.  BASIC
> would have been much the same ... probably). My discovery is that
> developing extensions for LibreOffice is W.O.R.K!
> 
> What is the advantage?  The developer is made more aware of the internal
> workings of LibO.  What is the loss?  Time!  The curve is much more and
> someone who wants to get going is already gone.  So the 'ease' concept
> sells again for macro developers in M$ world but that doesn't make for
> better/experienced 'black-belt' developers in the long run (... yeah, I
> can hear you almost say 'who cares!').
> 
> Getting LibO into offices around here means presenting it first before
> M$ products find their way into those machines.  Then the users will
> never try M$ again even with all the vanilla coatings they come with
> --OR-- You induce the change by providing 'ease' in  form of Extensions
> in LibO and install libO with those for those businesses then carefully
> silence M$ products.  They wont even miss it.  I do that here because
> those M$ products are pirated anyway.  It just makes them more honest
> business men (lol!).  I bet they wont consider M$ again when they're
> told to PAY FOR THE REAL THING!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 07:58:52PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I use a standard email client in a standard way set on it's defaults.  There 
> are likely to be more people using such systems as LibreOffice becomes more 
> popular.  Hold onto your hats!

Is someone holding a gun to your head to force you to use your mail
client's defaults? 

> 
> Why are people in here so determined to make things unpleasant and difficult 
> for normal office workers?  Is LibreOffice not meant to be used in offices by 
> office workers?
> Regards from

Do the defaults include not trimming or wrapping your lines?

  snip of superfluous crap

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:37:51PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2011-09-08 1:12 PM  Tom Davies wrote:
> >Hi :)
> >Look, the interspersed answers from Larry are practically unidentifiable 
> >from the message.  By posting at the top (or bottom) it would have been 
> >clearer which were your answers.
> Every line of the post I am replying to has a > in front of it if
> using a plain text reader. In thunderbird as I have it configured
> there is a coloured vertical line before all of the text I am
> replying to and not in front of my reply.

Whether that shows up is a function of what MUA you use to read the
message, or perhaps what the list software does. I use Mutt and your
posts show a ">" before the first character of the first line of quote
and a "+" before each subsequent line of the quoted passage. Also, you
don't isolate the quote from what you write with one or more blank
lines top and bottom. This adds to the confusion, at least for me.

> I was giving specific
> answers to each part of your post. Interspersing makes it clear what
> specific point I was responding to.

True.

   snip...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Many apologies for the rude and unhelpful tone of previous replies!  Also many 
apologies that your original problem couldn't be answered  A quick copy&paste 
from the guidelines 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
really doesn't take long.

"
Check which e-mail address you subscribed to the list

People sometimes report that they are having problems un-subscribing
from a list. Sometimes, the reason is simply that they are not sending
the un-subscription request from the same e-mail address that they
originally used to sign-up. If you have multiple e-mail addresses and
are no longer sure what address you used when you subscribed, please
look at the headers of a message from the list (look for a button or
link such as "Details" or "Raw Message" or "Original Message" in your
e-mail program or web-mail page). Your e-mail address will be listed in
the "Delivered-To" entry or the "Return-Path" entry, such as
illustrated below:
Delivered-To: john@example.com
[...]
Return-Path: 
Notice that in the "Return-Path", your address is embedded in another address, 
and the "@" is replaced by "=". 

"
Hopefully that helpsGood luck and regards fromTom :)

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From: Nuno J. Silva 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing 
List Guidelines Page?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 17:43

On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote:

> How Does one get off this list?  I have done everything  suggested and
> still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in.
> I asked one question got no help.  PLEASE take me off the list!

To get off this list, you have to *unsubscribe*. Instructions for that
have been appended to ALL MESSAGES IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
FILLING YOUR E-MAIL BOX, and yet you managed to ignore
that. Congratulations.

Heck, your message even arrived here with *two* of these list
signatures. Go read it to see the instructions. X-ray glasses are not
needed.

You can also look into the message headers for the unsubscribe address.

Unsubscription is done *exactly* as subscription.

(Now please just tell me you're joking. You're trolling, right? I can
see the hidden cameras...)

I'm not going to quote the signature, because this message will just get
a brand new list signature below, you see, after my gopherhole address:

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - subtotal by record in form

2011-09-09 Thread ncreamer

> Hi,
> Let's say everything has a price, wheight, volume or something:
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=8641
> [ingredients and nutrition values copied from a Swedish spreadsheet, 
> composed meals from ingredients, calculating values for each meal in 
> another subform.

I see etiquette rules here counsel against "thanks," but in a thread like
this it seems valuable to the discussion. Which is to say, this example,
these tips, helped me achieve what I was trying to do and more. It is
worthwhile to the newbie to open these odb files to see how
forms/queries/tables are structured. I was able to figure out a query that
now represents subtotal by record on my entry form - super helpful. So Thank
you. 

> If you can derive some plain text table from the PDF (csv from 
> conversion program or paste into spreadsheet) it _may_ be possible to 
> query the items right from a plain text file and compare them with 
> database tables.

Would that I could figure this out. Some of the PDF's I'm parsing through
are 1500+ pages long - ouch. Luckily, search eases the pain.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 10:01 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
who would rather subscribe through a web interface.

An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
and how to unsubscribe.

Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...


I've often thought of something similar, i.e. when a use
registers/signs up, that use automatically gets a document sent to the
user's registered email address.  And then have the user acknowledge
the user has received and understands the posting rules, netiquette,
etc..  Something similar to having to agree to a EULA when installing
software.  When the user gets his/her post pulled for not following
they guidelines (I'm assuming continuing errors in posting, not the
occasional error where the user may have had a simple brain lapse :-)
) they can't claim they didn't know.

And... You could create said document in LO!  ::grin::  But sending
the user a PDF would be better.  :-)


No, the idea here is exactly to force users through small[1] explanations
*before* they subscribe. That is, said web subscription wouldn't be made
until the user finished the small "slideshow". And to avoid overdoing
it, it should be in plain HTML.


I took your slide idea backwards.  :-)  I read it as *after* you 
subscribed, you would see the slides.  Having it before, as a simplified 
explanation of what is expected, is a great idea.


As is plain and simple HTML.  I took a introductory web class one time, 
and it was mentioned that too many pages get too "busy", making it hard 
to find the pertinent information you are looking for.



[1] "small" means it shouldn't be the entire contents of RFC 1855 and
additional guidelines, just a simple set of rules.


Agreed.


(And actually, I think sending it as a PDF instead of a plain text
e-mail would be a bad idea. If you're sending it by e-mail, why not just
put it in the e-mail? PDFs aren't good for on-screen reading, anyway.)


I always take ideas like this, and view them from the perspective a new, 
inexperience user with a lack of knowledge about X.  That being said...


I would submit that any simple set of guidelines that would be included 
in your slides would be insufficient to provide the information to many, 
if not most, new users.  I don't think most of the younger users would 
have a clue as to how to properly write a post.


Until the new users are given *all* requirements of proper posting, you 
will be asking for problems and confusion.


I would include most if not all of the Netmeister's "Learn to Quote" 
pages in said document.  Too many times I've seen rules posted with 
absolutely no justification or explanation as to why the rule was put in 
effect.  When I've come up against this, I've usually gone away 
irritated to say the least.  But, when I know *why* the rule is in 
effect, it usually sheds new light on the reason for the rule.


Not only should we provide the new user with the rules, we should 
provide the reasons/justifications for the rules as an education for the 
inexperienced.  "Old salts" can simply skip the reading.


I learned more about posting to newsgroups from that article than I'd 
ever managed to learn before.  And while I've not been able to do much 
with newsgroups over the years, I have been using computers since the 
8-bit days.


Many people don't know how to use any mail client properly, would they 
even know how to deal with the email other than read it online?  And 
something that is simply put in the body of the email cannot be 
comprehensive, well formatted, or even professional looking.


By attaching a PDF file, you can put the information in a file that 
includes the LO "look and feel" of the documentation for LO.  Also, as 
most of the less knowledgeable users may have difficulty in printing 
and/or downloading the email itself, I suspect most know how to download 
attachments.  :-)


Alternatively, you could provide a link to the document that would 
automatically download it.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution


Hi Tod,

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50)

What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted by Writer 
and what those substitutions are?


Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font, in 
the lower half?

(Have no example at hand, as far as I know).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


Dave Douglas wrote (09-09-11 18:25)

How Does one get off this list? I have done everything suggested and
still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in. I
asked one question got no help. PLEASE take me off the list!


The same way as you subscribed, only the effect is in the opposite 
direction ;-)



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[libreoffice-users] Font Substitution

2011-09-09 Thread Tod Hopkins

What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted by Writer 
and what those substitutions are?

Cheers,
   tod

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[libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics

2011-09-09 Thread Tod Hopkins

Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images.  After opening, 
and displaying the image correctly, at some point during editing all images are 
replaced with "Read Error" and a broken link icon.  Undo does not restore.  
Closing and reopening does not restore.  Must revert to earlier version.  Have 
not been able to associate with any particular document change and it does not 
always happen.  Has happened on several distinct documents.  Does not happen in 
NeoOffice 3.2.

Contributing factor may be that the original document is being accessed by Mac 
OS via SMB from linux based server. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-09, Dave Douglas wrote:

> How Does one get off this list?  I have done everything  suggested and
> still my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in.
> I asked one question got no help.  PLEASE take me off the list!

To get off this list, you have to *unsubscribe*. Instructions for that
have been appended to ALL MESSAGES IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
FILLING YOUR E-MAIL BOX, and yet you managed to ignore
that. Congratulations.

Heck, your message even arrived here with *two* of these list
signatures. Go read it to see the instructions. X-ray glasses are not
needed.

You can also look into the message headers for the unsubscribe address.

Unsubscription is done *exactly* as subscription.

(Now please just tell me you're joking. You're trolling, right? I can
see the hidden cameras...)

I'm not going to quote the signature, because this message will just get
a brand new list signature below, you see, after my gopherhole address:

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread John McAtee

From: Nuno J. Silva 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing 
List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:
> On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
>> lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
>> who would rather subscribe through a web interface.
>>
>> An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
>> ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
>> on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
>> through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
>> and how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...
>
> I've often thought of something similar, i.e. when a use
> registers/signs up, that use automatically gets a document sent to the
> user's registered email address.  And then have the user acknowledge
> the user has received and understands the posting rules, netiquette,
> etc..  Something similar to having to agree to a EULA when installing
> software.  When the user gets his/her post pulled for not following
> they guidelines (I'm assuming continuing errors in posting, not the
> occasional error where the user may have had a simple brain lapse :-)
> ) they can't claim they didn't know.
>
> And... You could create said document in LO!  ::grin::  But sending
> the user a PDF would be better.  :-)

No, the idea here is exactly to force users through small[1] explanations
*before* they subscribe. That is, said web subscription wouldn't be made
until the user finished the small "slideshow". And to avoid overdoing
it, it should be in plain HTML.

[1] "small" means it shouldn't be the entire contents of RFC 1855 and
additional guidelines, just a simple set of rules.

(And actually, I think sending it as a PDF instead of a plain text
e-mail would be a bad idea. If you're sending it by e-mail, why not just
put it in the e-mail? PDFs aren't good for on-screen reading, anyway.)

Even if the user wants to skip it, they still has to skip each "slide"
to get to the submit form.

Also, a key feature would be that users who are already used to mailing
lists and find the subscription email can easily skip this and subscribe
by mail.

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LO List 
I have refrained from getting on this thread simply because it is a minuscule 
discussion in the grand scheme of the universe. 
BUT this is the kind of attitude that has kept Linux and Open Source software 
in the niche it is in, at least in any part of the tech world I am involved in. 
And out of respect for those it offends I bottom post.

GET OVER IT.  
John McAtee
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

On 09/09/2011 02:38 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
> Il 09/09/2011 10:28, krisb ha scritto:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is my first message here so please be tolerant :)
>> Maybe it is a not right place to ask, but let me start. I'm wondering if is
>> possible to open encrypted xlsx/docx files in Libo? IMHO MSO rights and
>> concept of protecting files exclude possibility of opening it in competitors
>> software, since it would be a breaking of encryption algorithm and it would
>> be against MSO rights. Am I right? The encryption methods are part which I
>> am not well acquainted yet :)
> 
> Let's forget for a moment MS's anti-competitor practices. Encryption 
> doesn't rely on the algorithm being secret, but on the /encryption key/ 
> being secret and strong enough to be practically impossible (or 
> extremely costly) to guess with brute force.
> 
> The fact that MS tries to keep algorithms or implementation details 
> hidden to hinder competition is a more general problem which has nothing 
> to do with encryption.
...
Really? I see nothing hidden here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc313071%28v=office.12%29.aspx







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Douglas

How Does one get off this list?  I have done everything  suggested and still 
my email box is filled with discussions I have no interest in.  I asked one 
question got no help.  PLEASE take me off the list!







-Original Message- 
From: Nuno J. Silva

Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:01 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO 
MailingList Guidelines Page?


On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
who would rather subscribe through a web interface.

An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
and how to unsubscribe.

Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...


I've often thought of something similar, i.e. when a use
registers/signs up, that use automatically gets a document sent to the
user's registered email address.  And then have the user acknowledge
the user has received and understands the posting rules, netiquette,
etc..  Something similar to having to agree to a EULA when installing
software.  When the user gets his/her post pulled for not following
they guidelines (I'm assuming continuing errors in posting, not the
occasional error where the user may have had a simple brain lapse :-)
) they can't claim they didn't know.

And... You could create said document in LO!  ::grin::  But sending
the user a PDF would be better.  :-)


No, the idea here is exactly to force users through small[1] explanations
*before* they subscribe. That is, said web subscription wouldn't be made
until the user finished the small "slideshow". And to avoid overdoing
it, it should be in plain HTML.

[1] "small" means it shouldn't be the entire contents of RFC 1855 and
additional guidelines, just a simple set of rules.

(And actually, I think sending it as a PDF instead of a plain text
e-mail would be a bad idea. If you're sending it by e-mail, why not just
put it in the e-mail? PDFs aren't good for on-screen reading, anyway.)

Even if the user wants to skip it, they still has to skip each "slide"
to get to the submit form.

Also, a key feature would be that users who are already used to mailing
lists and find the subscription email can easily skip this and subscribe
by mail.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:
> On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
>> lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
>> who would rather subscribe through a web interface.
>>
>> An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
>> ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
>> on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
>> through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
>> and how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...
>
> I've often thought of something similar, i.e. when a use
> registers/signs up, that use automatically gets a document sent to the
> user's registered email address.  And then have the user acknowledge
> the user has received and understands the posting rules, netiquette,
> etc..  Something similar to having to agree to a EULA when installing
> software.  When the user gets his/her post pulled for not following
> they guidelines (I'm assuming continuing errors in posting, not the
> occasional error where the user may have had a simple brain lapse :-)
> ) they can't claim they didn't know.
>
> And... You could create said document in LO!  ::grin::  But sending
> the user a PDF would be better.  :-)

No, the idea here is exactly to force users through small[1] explanations
*before* they subscribe. That is, said web subscription wouldn't be made
until the user finished the small "slideshow". And to avoid overdoing
it, it should be in plain HTML.

[1] "small" means it shouldn't be the entire contents of RFC 1855 and
additional guidelines, just a simple set of rules.

(And actually, I think sending it as a PDF instead of a plain text
e-mail would be a bad idea. If you're sending it by e-mail, why not just
put it in the e-mail? PDFs aren't good for on-screen reading, anyway.)

Even if the user wants to skip it, they still has to skip each "slide"
to get to the submit form.

Also, a key feature would be that users who are already used to mailing
lists and find the subscription email can easily skip this and subscribe
by mail.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 9:19 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:


On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other
rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves
on. It's not a big deal.


When it happens occasionally or less, you're right.  But, if too many
people don't follow the rules, for anything, then it becomes a big
deal.


I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
who would rather subscribe through a web interface.

An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
and how to unsubscribe.

Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...


I've often thought of something similar, i.e. when a use registers/signs 
up, that use automatically gets a document sent to the user's registered 
email address.  And then have the user acknowledge the user has received 
and understands the posting rules, netiquette, etc..  Something similar 
to having to agree to a EULA when installing software.  When the user 
gets his/her post pulled for not following they guidelines (I'm assuming 
continuing errors in posting, not the occasional error where the user 
may have had a simple brain lapse :-) ) they can't claim they didn't know.


And... You could create said document in LO!  ::grin::  But sending the 
user a PDF would be better.  :-)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker


On 08/09/2011 02:29, Don Myers wrote:
I will respect your wishes about posting at the bottom. I live in the 
US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a lot of work 
e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where people reply to me at the 
bottom. The reply is always at the top. I never understood why 
Thunderbird had the default to reply at the bottom when Thunderbird 
came out. It was backwards!! So I have always changed the default 
on every system I've installed it on. Maybe there are different 
customs in different countries.



Work emails are a bit different to technical mailing lists.
In a technical mailing list like this there may be an original question 
followed by several replies followed by more questions etc etc and if 
you top post as default then A) the thread of the discussion gets 
completely messed up and b) do you read a book from the bottom up?


e.g.
A: Because the thread gets out of sequence

Q: Why top post?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-09 Thread krisb


Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> 
> It's still a weird way to describe it. Encryption itself has a
> key/password. So this means the document has *two* passwords? One for
> non-encrypted password "protection" (it's as much real protection as
> ROT26), and other for the encryption?
> 
Password prompt shows only once in Excel. How does it looks deeper - I don't
know.


Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> 
> So it also affects docx? I'd suggest updating the bug report summary to
> reflect that :-)
> 
> If you can make an example document, attach it to the report. I guess
> the only way to create one is using Microsoft Office itself?
> 
I made some tests with protecting MSO files. There is (AFAIK) two ways to
encrypt files in Excel/Word 07 :
1.  MS Button -> Prepare -> Encrypt Document
2. Save as -> Tools -> General options -> Password to open --> Save
In both, when I created a test file on my own, always it could be opened by
Libo. 
So, the issue is caused by another thing in MSO. In addition, SP2 for Office
changed something in encryption. I had already deal with this.

Another thing I spotted is difference in the EncryptionInfo file contained
in xlsx pack. 

I also attached files to bug report. 
Hope this help. 

Krzysztof



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?

Hi :)
Oops, yes i spotted my obvious mistake just after i hit send but it was so
obvious i didn't think it worth sending a 2nd post about it.  Guess how i
found out that Windows partitions had to be the 1st ones on the usb-stick
even though they are fine anywhere on normal drives. Lol

I think one great thing about this thread has been that it shows that
Gnu&Linux offers a huge range of different answers all of which work well. 
I liked the one about having an entire OS on the stick but this latest one
of having the full program properly installed is great too. 
Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 1:54 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers.


MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then.



Uhm, Tom Davies wrote that.  :-)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 12:21 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:

On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote:


With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen
to use for replying to newsgroups.  Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and
doesn't properly do anything right for places like this.



I think that single paragraph explains why this thread has become so
heated. YOU are reading this list on a NEWSGROUP. But the list is also
available as a EMAIL LIST and an archive of that same EMAIL LIST on
Nabble. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority are subscribed to
the email list or view it on Nabble, and as such consider it as an
email list and not a newsgroup.


You've brought up a point, Dave, I hadn't thought of.  I do use the 
Gmane interface.


Since you mentioned Nabble, it once again made me wonder if the display 
there was a mirror to the list I see in Thunderbird, so I checked.  And 
it is.  Which is the way I would organize an online help system.  I am 
suspecting that by using folders and threading in Thunderbird, I could 
accomplish a very similar display.  But I would have to constantly 
delete the email to have some free space on the hard drive!   :-D


When I get some time, aka after the summer work season is over, I'll 
have to remember to take a more in depth look at the Nabble interface.



Newsgroup people have shown over the years to have different practices
than emailers. Bottom posters probably predominate, also the practice
of long quotes seems far more prevalent there. And noting the comments
about threading, most newsgroup readers do it via the header
information. Email clients do it in various ways and I suspect Pegasus
is far from unique in doing if from the subject line - and many email
programs have never heard of threading...


I used to use my Yahoo account regularly, but am dropping it.  I don't 
remember it being able to thread either, but it does have filters to 
direct mail to folders.



I do receive a number of lists via newsgroups, using Gravity. But I by
far prefer email so this is my chosen option for this list.


Gravity???  The messages just fall out of the sky??   :-D

My apologies, I just couldn't resist!


We are never going to agree on these issues due the huge differences in
opinion between the newsgroup, email and forum people. So let us close
these threads immediately and accept our differences.


The users don't have to agree.  LO needs to set up something more 
official in the way of netiquette than what they have now.  And 
regardless of which interface is used, i.e. the mailing list, Nabble, or 
Gmane, require and enforce the netiquette rules they develop.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-09, Ken Springer wrote:

> On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other
>> rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves
>> on. It's not a big deal.
>
> When it happens occasionally or less, you're right.  But, if too many
> people don't follow the rules, for anything, then it becomes a big
> deal.

I guess some people who don't know the rules and aren't used to mailing
lists (which includes looking for guidelines before posting) are people
who would rather subscribe through a web interface.

An idea would be, while keeping the usual mailing list stuff (the
ability to subscribe by sending an email to a specified address and so
on), having a web subscription interface that would drive the user
through two or three slides concisely explaining some important rules,
and how to unsubscribe.

Of course /then/ some people would skip the slides...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 2011-09-08, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> You'll also notice that my reply doesn't have an additional set of
> brackets, so in-line commenting makes it very difficult to know what
> is new comment and what is from the previous message.

>From Dennis' message headers:
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0

Yeah, that's a problem with Outlook, it wants to force top-posting and
screw attribution so hard that it becomes harder to understand who wrote
what.

Even if Outlook users plan to use top-posting, Outlook-QuoteFix is still
a good way to get rid of some problems with quoting and attribution
lines, including the broken reindentation.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

(Disclaimer: I didn't try this. My system is not even able to run
Outlook, let alone having it installed.)

> PS: It is often handy to see the answer first.  I can quickly
> determine whether or not I care what the question is.

Forty-two.

>  And if I know
> what the general run of a thread has been, I don't need to see the
> rest of the message except to check for blankety-blank inline but
> unannounced comments.

Well, I don't think anything without a preceding attribution mark is
"unannounced", at least before the first line with "-- "...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 2:40 AM, e-letter wrote:

Anyway, reading the press about the demise of yet
another md of yahoo,


md= ?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 09/09/2011 12:05 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

It is often handy to see the answer first.  I can quickly determine whether or 
not I care what the question is.


Right now, I trimmed and bottom posted: You can quickly see my answer.
I could have just removed all you text, if you nedded to read it, you 
load the precedent message. That's all about.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 7:04 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:

On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

The headers state that you are using "YahooMailClassic/14.0.5
YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625"
That is not an email client.


It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA.


That is an online web mail service (and a
very poor one. Gmail works much better).


But Gmail's is also poor.


I have always thought it was as Larry describes.  But a couple of 
Wikipedia articles agree with you.


Dang, something new to remember!  :-D


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 9/9/11 6:21 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote:

Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other
rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves
on. It's not a big deal.


When it happens occasionally or less, you're right.  But, if too many 
people don't follow the rules, for anything, then it becomes a big deal.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline & Numbering

2011-09-09 Thread Stephan Zietsman

William Honeywell wrote:
> Is there a plug in or later version in which
> Outlining behaves? I am using Libreoffice 3.3.2. Suggestions, advice, or
> help would be appreciated. Is there a user's group or a website?

There is indeed a newer version of LibreOffice available.  You can
have a look at the download page here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

You will notice that there are two versions avaialble: 3.3.4 and
3.4.3.  The earlier version (3.3.4) is based on code that has been
around for longer and is still supported.  However, I would advise
using the newer version (3.4.3) as it contains extra features (both
versions are considered stable).

I don't know if updating your installation would solve your problem,
but I think it's worth a shot.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 09/08/2011 09:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

I use a standard email client


Do you even know what's a "standard"?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 09/08/2011 10:50 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

The headers state that you are using "YahooMailClassic/14.0.5
YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625"
That is not an email client.


It is, sorry. It's a web based MUA.


That is an online web mail service (and a
very poor one. Gmail works much better).


But Gmail's is also poor.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 09/09/2011 02:52 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom?


I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about
how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe.


And let's notice it's a bit longer than de 4 lines of the usual Netiquette..

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

Hi :)
Thanks.  That explains why it was so easy to break into the file at work. 
At least yours is protected by encryption!  The file i was opening was only
password protected but it didn't even ask for the password when i opened it
in LibreOffice.  This HowTo Geek Guide shows that there are 2 levels of
passwords
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/microsoft-office/secure-your-private-word-2007-documents/

I would guess that MS Office just remembers one of them and automatically
enters it for you.  Hopefully that's the password one rather than the
encryption one since LO seems to just ignore the password one anyway! Lol
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 2011-09-09, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2011-09-08 8:04 PM, Don C. Myers  wrote:
>> Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom?
>
> I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something
> about how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe.

Irony is how apparently that's when it fails. Many people just complain
about a bunch of e-mails without having even read one of them.

Well, anyway, when someone fails to read the .sig, or follow some other
rule, other people just point them what they missed, and everyone moves
on. It's not a big deal.

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I think I've already commented (or someone else did) that the
unsubscribe address isn't here, but now that I look at it...

unsubscribe instructions -> address to request general help from the
list software

problems -> web page with instructions on how to unsubscribe

Did the wires get crossed?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?

Tempers are getting to high now.

We should not attack each other's views on Open Source or MS products.

We each have opinions that the other does not like. We should not put
people down because their opinion is not ours.

For me, I do not like mush of what MS is about. They have some good
free products out there. Try I.C.E.. But that should not detract my
views on MSO or LO.

Using the "M$ fanboy" should not be use as a negative. Swearing should
not be done.

Every community has their good and bad, whether you deal with people's
views or software. There is many things that are great about open
source and its community. But open source is not the only answer. To
some people it is not their answer. We should not judge people because
of their views. We should not judge a community by an individual's
views. Die-heart MS users are just like die-heart FOSS people. When
you have no room for any other view, it tends not to be good to try to
change their views. It also is anti-productive to get into a battle of
words with them.

So personally, I do not like MS anymore. But they are putting out some
interesting, free, stuff once and a while. Also, I do not think open
source is the only answer, just part of it. My saying this does not
make other opinions less than mine, or better. It is just my opinion
and I must accept that other people have other opinion.

So EVERYONE, please refrain from name calling and mud slinging. This
list is not the place for it.

Here we hope to offer help and sometimes opinions. We are not the final
word, since there is not such thing. We offer information. We should
not put others down for their beliefs. We should be better than that.
We must be better than that on this public list.

On 09/08/2011 08:26 PM, At0mic wrote:

Onyeibo Oku-2 wrote:

Looks like we have an M$ fanboy. Perhaps U should try some of those
opensource recommendations first and see if they don't perform before
taking a side

See, this is what I don't like about the open-source community. If I express
an opinion that suggests things are NOT completely 100% great about
open-source software and that maybe, just MAYBE, Microsoft knows what
they're doing with regards to software at times, I'm labelled a fanboy.

Jesus fucking Christ look at your self. Microsoft DO make good products at
times. If you keep your blinders on and don't accept some people LIKE using
something such as Windows 7 for example, open-source software will never
compete. I don't understand why I'm now the enemy for not following the
religious fevor of some zealots.

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[libreoffice-users] integration of styles management between writer and impress

Readers,

To my surprise, styles visible in writer are not visible in impress;
why? It would be useful to be able to apply a style created in writer,
to a presentation document. If this found to be not suitable, then to
create a new style based upon the writer style.

For example, a numbering style created in writer; if not suitable then
create a presentation numbering style. Then with the (in my
preference, floating) styles dialogue window, a list of standard and
custom styles can be created for both writer and impress modules,
helping to maximise consistency in appearance.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Tanstaafl


On 2011-09-08 8:04 PM, Don C. Myers  wrote:

Another thing. Does anyone actually read those links at the bottom?


I only look at them if and when I have a desire to learn something about 
how the list works - like, maybe, how to unsubscribe.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

On 2011-09-09, krisb wrote:

> @Tom: 
> By encrypted file, I mean file secured by build in function in Excel/Word
> 2007 . I know about encryption from message when i try convert to xls the
> test file mentioned in linked thread. I get information that "This document
> is both encrypted and password protected. The Office Open XML Formats
> available in the 2007 release provide stronger encryption ...".

It's still a weird way to describe it. Encryption itself has a
key/password. So this means the document has *two* passwords? One for
non-encrypted password "protection" (it's as much real protection as
ROT26), and other for the encryption?

Or it's just Microsoft that are doing a bad job at describing what's
going on?

> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft nowadays *claims* to be using open formats, so I'd expect the
>> encryption algorithm to be documented somewhere, and even if it isn't,
>> until some time ago it was pretty clear that math wasn't patenteable.
>> 
>
> This sound good, but can we be sure about MS ? :>

We can't. The only way to get rid of the issue is to step away from MS,
but if you could do that you wouldn't be trying to get working OOXML
encryption...

> Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if this is related to your issue. Or wait, are you the
>> reporter?
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35422
>> 
>
> Yep, I reported it some time ago. Now I know that it should be in a
> different order :)

So it also affects docx? I'd suggest updating the bug report summary to
reflect that :-)

If you can make an example document, attach it to the report. I guess
the only way to create one is using Microsoft Office itself?

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-09 Thread krisb

@Tom: 
By encrypted file, I mean file secured by build in function in Excel/Word
2007 . I know about encryption from message when i try convert to xls the
test file mentioned in linked thread. I get information that "This document
is both encrypted and password protected. The Office Open XML Formats
available in the 2007 release provide stronger encryption ...".

Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> 
> Microsoft nowadays *claims* to be using open formats, so I'd expect the
> encryption algorithm to be documented somewhere, and even if it isn't,
> until some time ago it was pretty clear that math wasn't patenteable.
> 

This sound good, but can we be sure about MS ? :>

Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this is related to your issue. Or wait, are you the
> reporter?
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35422
> 

Yep, I reported it some time ago. Now I know that it should be in a
different order :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-09 Thread Marcello Romani

Il 09/09/2011 10:28, krisb ha scritto:

Hi all,

This is my first message here so please be tolerant :)
Maybe it is a not right place to ask, but let me start. I'm wondering if is
possible to open encrypted xlsx/docx files in Libo? IMHO MSO rights and
concept of protecting files exclude possibility of opening it in competitors
software, since it would be a breaking of encryption algorithm and it would
be against MSO rights. Am I right? The encryption methods are part which I
am not well acquainted yet :)

Let's forget for a moment MS's anti-competitor practices. Encryption
doesn't rely on the algorithm being secret, but on the /encryption key/
being secret and strong enough to be practically impossible (or
extremely costly) to guess with brute force.

The fact that MS tries to keep algorithms or implementation details
hidden to hinder competition is a more general problem which has nothing
to do with encryption.

HTH

As for example, similar topic was mentioned on OO forum:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34894
The file attached there could be opened in MSO, but in Libo 3.4.3
(win&linux) I can only saw “Filter Selection” window and “general
input/output error” message. The xlsx converted to xls in MSO (xls is also
password protected), work smoothly in Libo. So encryption is essential.

Moving away from the solution through the conversion to xls/doc, in general,
is there a chance to open encrypted ***x file in Libo?

Thanks in advance for answer!
Krzysztof

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

On 2011-09-09, krisb wrote:

> This is my first message here so please be tolerant :) 

Let me just hide the flamethrower... ok, now we can start.

> Maybe it is a not right place to ask, but let me start. I'm wondering if is
> possible to open encrypted xlsx/docx files in Libo? IMHO MSO rights and
> concept of protecting files exclude possibility of opening it in competitors
> software, since it would be a breaking of encryption algorithm and it would
> be against MSO rights. Am I right? The encryption methods are part which I
> am not well acquainted yet :) 

Microsoft nowadays *claims* to be using open formats, so I'd expect the
encryption algorithm to be documented somewhere, and even if it isn't,
until some time ago it was pretty clear that math wasn't patenteable.

> As for example, similar topic was mentioned on OO forum:
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34894
> The file attached there could be opened in MSO, but in Libo 3.4.3
> (win&linux) I can only saw “Filter Selection” window and “general
> input/output error” message. The xlsx converted to xls in MSO (xls is also
> password protected), work smoothly in Libo. So encryption is essential.
>
> Moving away from the solution through the conversion to xls/doc, in general,
> is there a chance to open encrypted ***x file in Libo?

I wonder if this is related to your issue. Or wait, are you the
reporter?
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35422

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?

2011-09-09 Thread Andreas Säger


Am 09.09.2011 10:17, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Windows and Gnu&Linux can share the same config folder but you might need 2 
versions of the extensions you use.  You can keep both versions in the same folder 
as each other.

It is better to set-up the Windows side first and then get the Gnu&Linux side to look at 
the Windows config folder as the Windows side might have extra settings that are not needed in 
Gnu&Linux.  Also Windows is blind to Gnu&Linux file-systems whereas Gnu&Linux can 
easily read/write Ntfs and Fat32, Fat16 and the rest.

I don't think it makes any difference after install but with Gnu&Linux there are at 
least 2 different installers; Rpm&  Deb.  It's the same source-code.  Like the 
difference between taking your shopping home by car or bike it's all the same once it's 
on your shelves.  I'm not 100% certain about this tho.

One note about splitting usb-sticks into 2 partitions. The Windows one (Ntfs or 
whatever) needs to be 1st on the stick and needs to be created 1st.  If Windows 
can't find one of it's own partitions at the front of the drive then it assumes 
the drive is unformatted or corrupted.  On normal ide/sata drives and internal 
SSDs it seems to be ok.



Thank you for the clarification. I was not aware that todays Microsoft 
operating systems still behave like DOS when you go down to the system 
level.



Anyway i think this thread was mostly about the various Windows platforms.
Regards from
Tom :)




You did not read the original post I quoted again trying give a more 
concrete answer:




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From: Andreas Säger
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external 
drive. ?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 7:10

Am 05.09.2011 02:41, Charles E. LaMonte wrote:

Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen, Is it possible to install Libre Office on an
external hard drive ? The computer will have either Windows Operating System or
Linux Operating System. Thank you.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

Hi :)
There are several things that can be encrypted.  It could be the entire
hard-drive (partition really) or just a folder or just the file itself. 
Also i think it's possible to "password-protect" a file without encrypting
it or set the file to read-only so that the data is available but can't be
over-written.  

I think the only way to know if you can open the file is to try it.  At my
work they tried to protect a file so that no-one could open it or read it
but with LibreOffice on Gnu&Linux it opened read-only with no trouble.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

On 09/09/2011, Dave Sergeant  wrote:
> On 8 Sep 2011 at 14:31, Ken Springer wrote:
>
>> With all due respect Tom, the problem is you and the tools you've chosen
>> to use for replying to newsgroups.  Yahoo Mail just plain sucks and
>> doesn't properly do anything right for places like this.
>>

Agreed; yahoo is terrible, stopped using it years ago. Why would
someone choose product with such poor functionality, then blame others
for not  being able to provide a simple ability to reply to messages
with appropriate quote (e.g. angle bracket (>) character)
convention??? Anyway, reading the press about the demise of yet
another md of yahoo, with luck yahoo will disappear and take their
mail users too.

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[libreoffice-users] Encrypted MSO files (docx,xlsx) in Libo

2011-09-09 Thread krisb

Hi all,

Moving away from the solution through the conversion to xls/doc, in general,
is there a chance to open encrypted ***x file in Libo?

Thanks in advance for answer!
Krzysztof

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?

Hi again :)
Sorry about the double-post.  Errr, by extensions i meant add-ons. 
StarOffice-OpenOffice-LibreOffice started long before the word "extensions"
became widely used to mean something completely different and definitely
before "add-ons" became the widely used name for this type of thing.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?

2011-09-09 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Windows and Gnu&Linux can share the same config folder but you might need 2 
versions of the extensions you use.  You can keep both versions in the same 
folder as each other.  

It is better to set-up the Windows side first and then get the Gnu&Linux side 
to look at the Windows config folder as the Windows side might have extra 
settings that are not needed in Gnu&Linux.  Also Windows is blind to Gnu&Linux 
file-systems whereas Gnu&Linux can easily read/write Ntfs and Fat32, Fat16 and 
the rest.  

I don't think it makes any difference after install but with Gnu&Linux there 
are at least 2 different installers; Rpm & Deb.  It's the same source-code.  
Like the difference between taking your shopping home by car or bike it's all 
the same once it's on your shelves.  I'm not 100% certain about this tho.  

One note about splitting usb-sticks into 2 partitions. The Windows one (Ntfs or 
whatever) needs to be 1st on the stick and needs to be created 1st.  If Windows 
can't find one of it's own partitions at the front of the drive then it assumes 
the drive is unformatted or corrupted.  On normal ide/sata drives and internal 
SSDs it seems to be ok.  

Anyway i think this thread was mostly about the various Windows platforms.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external 
drive. ?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 7:10

Am 05.09.2011 02:41, Charles E. LaMonte wrote:
> Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen, Is it possible to install Libre Office on an
> external hard drive ? The computer will have either Windows Operating System 
> or
> Linux Operating System. Thank you.
> 
> 

If you really want to be prepared for Linux desktops with neither OOo nor 
LibreOffice and for Windows desktops as well, then you should divide your disk 
in 2 partitions with one file system for WIndows and another file system for 
Linux, install http://portableapps.com/de/apps/office/libreoffice_portable on 
the Windows file system and copy the LibreOffice folder from your Linux 
installation to the Linux file system.
Adjust bootstraprc according to Regina's suggestion and make sure that the user 
profile is world writable. For the program files read-access is sufficient.
Not sure if and how both programs may even share the same user profile. Once 
upon a time I managed to do this with Thunderbird 1.x.
Anyway, with such a disk the respective operating system can mount the 
respective file system and launch your own copy of LibreOffice if the host 
system allows for execution from plugged block devices.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?


On 09/08/2011 11:37 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

 The fact is that it is widely used especially by office workers.


MSOffice is widely used, dont use LibreOffice then.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Gusaas


On 2011-09-09 12:21 AM  Dave Sergeant wrote:

I think that single paragraph explains why this thread has become so
heated. YOU are reading this list on a NEWSGROUP. But the list is also
available as a EMAIL LIST and an archive of that same EMAIL LIST on
Nabble. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority are subscribed to
the email list or view it on Nabble, and as such consider it as an
email list and not a newsgroup.
Irrelevant. All of the OpenOffice.org lists were email. Some of us used Gmane to read them as a 
newsgroup. The stated OOo netiquette was to intersperse. Many other email lists are the same. 
It is irrelevant that some of us read this email list through Gmane. Proper netiquette is the 
same. Some people are too obstinate to post properly.


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