RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Assessing ODF Conformance (Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved)
orcmid comments=below / -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 20:00 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Assessing ODF Conformance (Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved) Hi Dennis It's interesting that you find out about this now... When I did some tests back in May 2011 and I questioned if TDF shouldn't worry about this and have its own tool, nobody found it important... http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Odt-size-difference-between-MS-Office-11-and-LO-3-3-2-tt2978634.html#a2985444 I guess too much information is lost in these mailing lists... orcmid hi Pedro, Concerning the weird ODF Validator results you noticed in May, I can add a little of what I had encountered independently. I agree that it is difficult to find like-minded people who think these are important to reconcile. - Dennis BACKGROUND I was a newcomer to this list in June, I think. Mining older list posts doesn't seem to be in my DNA. I think I knew about the manifest:manifest manifest:version disconnect before that though. I shall have to look. I know it came up in discussions on some list that I was on before here. I don't think OASIS needs to do an ODF validator, there is at least one already and it is more about making a concerted effort to verify what they do and don't detect and keep improving them. It needs to be a publicly built and supported tool, that is exercised more by folks looking for ODF discrepancies in files from products or in the validator itself. It takes a community of practical people, not a standards body, in my experience. I think you were seeing a situation where the validator was updated to final ODF 1.2 and so was OOo-3.4 and no one was worrying about the down-level compatibility issues -- not the ODF TC either. My approach to this is to propose an OIC TC Advisory that recommends ignoring the rigidity of the manifest:version requirement, advise validators to be forgiving (maybe warnings instead of errors about it), and advise consumers to work with and without it in incoming documents. I think it is a practical matter and a pragmatic solution matters. I stumbled on this in an unexpected way on a document forensic analysis on a completely different issue when I noticed that the addition of manifest:manifest version broke the strict conformance to syntax that is implemented in what Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 accept as well-formed ODF 1.0/1.1. (Office will repair the file to ODF 1.1 compliance and continue, but it scares users no end to be told the input file is corrupt.) Apparently older versions of OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice ignore manifest attributes they weren't built to support, but the ODF Validator is more strict about it. There is no guidance of that sort in the ODF specification itself. /orcmid -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Assessing-ODF-Conformance-Re-OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3388789p3392038.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Symbols: alpha
Sigrid Carrera wrote: You can insert a Math object in any other component like Writer, Calc, Impress... I don't know of a way to type %alpha and get then the greek letter within plain Writer. Just to add to what you've mentioned: To insert a Math object into Writer you can do the following: Insert Object Formula You can actually type the formula first, select what you've typed, and then insert a formula object (this converts the text to a formula). You can also assign a short-cut key to Insert Object Formula if you don't want to use the mouse every time. Just be careful, there are 2 insert formula commands in Writer. The other (assigned to F2) creates a Calc-style formula that actually calculates an equation, rather than displaying a formula. Another alternative is to type the letters fn (without the quotes) on a new line and press F3 (Run Autotext Entry). Regards Stephan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Le 2011-10-01 20:11, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi Deni Le 2011-09-30 21:17, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard,http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is athttp://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2115. Rob Weir has a nice summary on his blog,http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/09/odf12-approved.html. He lists the names of the contributors of 1.2 from the specification. Some of those names will be familiar here. - Dennis Congrats to the team, great news! I was wondering if we were already compliant with ODF1.2? If so we should market this along with LibreOffice -- backwards compatibility being fully supported of course. Cheers, Marc Thanks to all the people who answered this. It seems whether LibreOffice is partially or completely compliant to OASIS version 1.2 is more complicated to establish for non-dev people. It would be interesting if OASIS had a validation site much like the W3C validation site[1] where a person could check whether their version of ODF files were OASIS-approved. It doesn't look like there is such a location on the OASIS site. Cheers Marc [1] http://validator.w3.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [writer] How to check a whole table cell ?
Great ! I did the job using your workaround : 1. Create a .jpg image : white background + black cross 2. In Writer document : select the cell 3. Menu Table Table Properties... 3. In Table format window Background as image select the .jpg file Type filing And it looks and prints very nice. Thanks all. However it would be nicer to request an enhancement for Writer cells borders. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/writer-How-to-check-a-whole-table-cell-tp3313397p3392716.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
A new article came out with info about the differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. The problem was the author did not get all her facts straight. She calls LO and OOo the same program, but it is no longer the same. She even states that LO programmers have removed a lot of code, so it is not the same program any more. Actually the move to Python code to replace Java changes a lot as well. Sure it looks similar, but that does not make it the same. I can get Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian to look the same but I do not think you can call them the same either, even though they are related and came from the same original code base. She also states OOo has picked up on its updates, but I just looked and it still at 3.3.0 for its offered download from its site. So if it was at 3.3.0 in the spring and in the fall it is the same, I do not think it has picked up on its updates. LO has gone from 3.3.0 to 3.3.4 and to 3.4.3 since spring. At least she does state that most people agree that LO is the better of the two, and she recommends it to her listeners. It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3 http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3 (Page 3 of 3) Give me LibreOffice or give me OpenOffice? [quote] Earlier this year, IBM encouraged Oracle to spin off OpenOffice to the Apache Software Foundation. IBM has a stake in all this because its Lotus Symphony business productivity suite is based on OpenOffice. The hope is that the community-driven Apache Software Foundation will do for OpenOffice what the Document Foundation did for LibreOffice. That's why you may have noticed OpenOffice updates picking up a bit. [unquote] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
On 10/4/2011 9:16 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- Kim rarely does get it all correct. -- Gene Young -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
I wish she would do better. I stopped listening to her radio show, and many times her complete answers need you to be a paid user to get it. Sometimes it feels she no longer gives meat but just cookie crumbs as answers. Since she recommends LO, she should get her info correct about it, though. Where she is getting the info that OOo has started putting out more updates is something that makes my head itch. To me it is clear that OOo is right now stuck with 3.3.0, while LO is far, far, beyond that version. On 10/04/2011 09:22 AM, Gene Young wrote: On 10/4/2011 9:16 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- Kim rarely does get it all correct. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] problem in sql query
hi all i am using eloquence database, linked with base. this query is working: SELECT TORD.NUMORD AS ORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.GGORD, '/' ), TORD.MMORD ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.AAORD ) AS DATAORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.DCORGG, '/' ), TORD.DCORMM ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.DCORAA ) AS DATACONSEGNA, ANACLI.CODCLI AS CODICECLIENTE, ANACLI.RAGSOC AS RAGIONESOCIALE, ANARTI.CODART AS CODICEARTICOLO, ANARTI.DESART AS DESCRIZIONEARTICOLO, ANARTI.UM AS UM, DORD.QTAORD AS QUANTITAORDINATA, DORD.QTASPE, DORD.PREORD AS PREZZO, DORD.SC0ORD, ANARTI.PREART AS LISTINO, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU, ANAGRU.CATMER, FILPAG.DESPAG FROM INFODB.ANARTI AS ANARTI, INF2DB.DORD AS DORD, INF2DB.TORD AS TORD, INFODB.ANACLI AS ANACLI, INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANARTI.CODART = DORD.CODART AND DORD.NUMORD = TORD.NUMORD AND TORD.CODCLI = ANACLI.CODCLI AND ANARTI.GRUPPO = ANAGRU.CODGRU AND ANAGRU.CATMER = FILPAG.CODPA AND TORD.TAGORD = 0 but i have to do ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING( FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4) cause the structure of FILPAG is not so well formatted (and i cannot do anything about that). SELECT TORD.NUMORD AS ORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.GGORD, '/' ), TORD.MMORD ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.AAORD ) AS DATAORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.DCORGG, '/' ), TORD.DCORMM ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.DCORAA ) AS DATACONSEGNA, ANACLI.CODCLI AS CODICECLIENTE, ANACLI.RAGSOC AS RAGIONESOCIALE, ANARTI.CODART AS CODICEARTICOLO, ANARTI.DESART AS DESCRIZIONEARTICOLO, ANARTI.UM AS UM, DORD.QTAORD AS QUANTITAORDINATA, DORD.QTASPE, DORD.PREORD AS PREZZO, DORD.SC0ORD, ANARTI.PREART AS LISTINO, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU, ANAGRU.CATMER, FILPAG.DESPAG FROM INFODB.ANARTI AS ANARTI, INF2DB.DORD AS DORD, INF2DB.TORD AS TORD, INFODB.ANACLI AS ANACLI, INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANARTI.CODART = DORD.CODART AND DORD.NUMORD = TORD.NUMORD AND TORD.CODCLI = ANACLI.CODCLI AND ANARTI.GRUPPO = ANAGRU.CODGRU AND ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING(FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4) AND TORD.TAGORD = 0 give me error (with isql: [ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLPrepare) instead SELECT SUBSTRING ( CODPA, 3, 4 ) AS CM, FILPAG.DESPAG AS DESCRIZIONE, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU FROM INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING ( FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4 ) AND FILPAG.CODPA LIKE '..%' does work. where is the trick? :) thanks, d. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] problem in sql query
Hi On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 17:00 +0200, Daniele Palumbo wrote: hi all i am using eloquence database, linked with base. this query is working: SELECT TORD.NUMORD AS ORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.GGORD, '/' ), TORD.MMORD ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.AAORD ) AS DATAORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.DCORGG, '/' ), TORD.DCORMM ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.DCORAA ) AS DATACONSEGNA, ANACLI.CODCLI AS CODICECLIENTE, ANACLI.RAGSOC AS RAGIONESOCIALE, ANARTI.CODART AS CODICEARTICOLO, ANARTI.DESART AS DESCRIZIONEARTICOLO, ANARTI.UM AS UM, DORD.QTAORD AS QUANTITAORDINATA, DORD.QTASPE, DORD.PREORD AS PREZZO, DORD.SC0ORD, ANARTI.PREART AS LISTINO, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU, ANAGRU.CATMER, FILPAG.DESPAG FROM INFODB.ANARTI AS ANARTI, INF2DB.DORD AS DORD, INF2DB.TORD AS TORD, INFODB.ANACLI AS ANACLI, INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANARTI.CODART = DORD.CODART AND DORD.NUMORD = TORD.NUMORD AND TORD.CODCLI = ANACLI.CODCLI AND ANARTI.GRUPPO = ANAGRU.CODGRU AND ANAGRU.CATMER = FILPAG.CODPA AND TORD.TAGORD = 0 but i have to do ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING( FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4) cause the structure of FILPAG is not so well formatted (and i cannot do anything about that). SELECT TORD.NUMORD AS ORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.GGORD, '/' ), TORD.MMORD ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.AAORD ) AS DATAORDINE, CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( CONCAT( TORD.DCORGG, '/' ), TORD.DCORMM ), '/' ), '20' ), TORD.DCORAA ) AS DATACONSEGNA, ANACLI.CODCLI AS CODICECLIENTE, ANACLI.RAGSOC AS RAGIONESOCIALE, ANARTI.CODART AS CODICEARTICOLO, ANARTI.DESART AS DESCRIZIONEARTICOLO, ANARTI.UM AS UM, DORD.QTAORD AS QUANTITAORDINATA, DORD.QTASPE, DORD.PREORD AS PREZZO, DORD.SC0ORD, ANARTI.PREART AS LISTINO, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU, ANAGRU.CATMER, FILPAG.DESPAG FROM INFODB.ANARTI AS ANARTI, INF2DB.DORD AS DORD, INF2DB.TORD AS TORD, INFODB.ANACLI AS ANACLI, INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANARTI.CODART = DORD.CODART AND DORD.NUMORD = TORD.NUMORD AND TORD.CODCLI = ANACLI.CODCLI AND ANARTI.GRUPPO = ANAGRU.CODGRU AND ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING(FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4) AND TORD.TAGORD = 0 give me error (with isql: [ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLPrepare) instead SELECT SUBSTRING ( CODPA, 3, 4 ) AS CM, FILPAG.DESPAG AS DESCRIZIONE, ANAGRU.CODGRU, ANAGRU.DESGRU FROM INFODB.ANAGRU AS ANAGRU, INFODB.FILPAG AS FILPAG WHERE ANAGRU.CATMER = SUBSTRING ( FILPAG.CODPA, 3, 4 ) AND FILPAG.CODPA LIKE '..%' does work. where is the trick? :) thanks, d. Looking at the WHERE clause, I do not follow your selection criteria. You may want to use parentheses to clarify your logic. It looks like all the conditions must be true for the query to give any results. Nothing obvious comes to mind. You might trying to use a column of text as if it was a column of integers, pure guess. I would look at the column definitions to make sure that the data types match correctly. In the US we have numeric postal codes that are often defined as text to keep the leading zero - 08540 is stored as text not as an integer (8540). Also, I would try breaking up the query, at least for testing. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
Hi :) There is a saying No truth in the News and no news in the truth. Apparently it's said that If 5 Jamaicans see an event there are 7 different stories about what happened. The Jamican chap who told me that put it much more elegantly! The important thing is that the names gets out there. Details that are blatantly wrong will be discovered easily by anyone digging a little deeper. From our point of view the objective of any story in the press or elsewhere is to get people interested in digging a little, preferably to download it and give it a go. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 14:43 I wish she would do better. I stopped listening to her radio show, and many times her complete answers need you to be a paid user to get it. Sometimes it feels she no longer gives meat but just cookie crumbs as answers. Since she recommends LO, she should get her info correct about it, though. Where she is getting the info that OOo has started putting out more updates is something that makes my head itch. To me it is clear that OOo is right now stuck with 3.3.0, while LO is far, far, beyond that version. On 10/04/2011 09:22 AM, Gene Young wrote: On 10/4/2011 9:16 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- Kim rarely does get it all correct. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
Hi :) LibreOffice has been pushing out upgrades not updates. There has not been anything as small as an update for LO, it's all been a lot substantial. Maybe OpenOffice is putting out a few patches and bitsbobs? I wouldn't know as the only place i have OOo is on an out-of-date Fedora (which i plan to install Ubuntu 11.10 on in about a month) Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo To: LibreO - Users Global users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 14:16 A new article came out with info about the differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. The problem was the author did not get all her facts straight. She calls LO and OOo the same program, but it is no longer the same. She even states that LO programmers have removed a lot of code, so it is not the same program any more. Actually the move to Python code to replace Java changes a lot as well. Sure it looks similar, but that does not make it the same. I can get Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian to look the same but I do not think you can call them the same either, even though they are related and came from the same original code base. She also states OOo has picked up on its updates, but I just looked and it still at 3.3.0 for its offered download from its site. So if it was at 3.3.0 in the spring and in the fall it is the same, I do not think it has picked up on its updates. LO has gone from 3.3.0 to 3.3.4 and to 3.4.3 since spring. At least she does state that most people agree that LO is the better of the two, and she recommends it to her listeners. It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3 http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3 (Page 3 of 3) Give me LibreOffice or give me OpenOffice? [quote] Earlier this year, IBM encouraged Oracle to spin off OpenOffice to the Apache Software Foundation. IBM has a stake in all this because its Lotus Symphony business productivity suite is based on OpenOffice. The hope is that the community-driven Apache Software Foundation will do for OpenOffice what the Document Foundation did for LibreOffice. That's why you may have noticed OpenOffice updates picking up a bit. [unquote] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts
On 10/03/2011 07:30 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: Hello, Hoping this is the right forum, I wanted to ask if anyone could help me get anti-aliasing to work with Graphite fonts (Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G) on LibreOffice. Without anti-aliasing it looks pretty terrible on-screen, but still very nice when exported or printed. The OpenType versions of the same fonts work fine (though without the Graphite good stuff) as do the Graphite fonts in other applications that I have tried. My system is Debian unstable, LibreOffice 3.4.3 but the problem appears on my other Debian boxes running Debian stable and OpenOffice 3.2.1. ... You can easily see if on screen antialiasing is working: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' and click OK. You should notice a considerable difference. That said, I find the fonts Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G ttf fonts provided as defaults in LO do have rendering problems (particularly when viewed at standard 12 pt). They also seem to have odd version numbers with compared with the fonts from: http://www.linuxlibertine.org/ http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=91L=1 http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxlibertine/files/linuxlibertine/5.1.3-2/ or http://www.numbertext.org/linux/ You might want to give the Linux Biolinum O and Linux Libertine O OTF fonts a try instead; those render much cleaner (screen and print) for me on Ubuntu 10.10. (LinLibertineOTF_5.1.3_2011_06_21.tgz) Do a sample document using G O and pay particular attention to the capital 'T' in the Libertine fonts. I just did a simple test doc: This is a test using Linux Libertine G. This is a test using Linux Libertine O. This is a test using Linux Biolinum G. This is a test using Linux Biolinum O. This is a test using Times New Roman. and can spot the differences. The LO Libertine G is missing glyphs. If I get time later, I'll rip out the LO versions in /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/share/fonts and replace with the other TTF versions to see if the issue is just the TTF conversion, or the LO version. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?
Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?
If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Just a thought. Wroger Wroger. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?
Am 04.10.2011 21:12, Callme Shane wrote: If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Still waiting for your results. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?
Oh well - keep waiting. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: Am 04.10.2011 21:12, Callme Shane wrote: If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Still waiting for your results. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts
On 10/04/2011 11:12 AM, NoOp wrote: On 10/03/2011 07:30 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: Hello, Hoping this is the right forum, I wanted to ask if anyone could help me get anti-aliasing to work with Graphite fonts (Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G) on LibreOffice. Without anti-aliasing it looks pretty terrible on-screen, but still very nice when exported or printed. The OpenType versions of the same fonts work fine (though without the Graphite good stuff) as do the Graphite fonts in other applications that I have tried. My system is Debian unstable, LibreOffice 3.4.3 but the problem appears on my other Debian boxes running Debian stable and OpenOffice 3.2.1. You can easily see if on screen antialiasing is working: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' and click OK. You should notice a considerable difference. That said, I find the fonts Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G ttf fonts provided as defaults in LO do have rendering problems (particularly when viewed at standard 12 pt). They also seem to have odd version numbers with compared with the fonts from: http://www.linuxlibertine.org/ http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=91L=1 http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxlibertine/files/linuxlibertine/5.1.3-2/ or http://www.numbertext.org/linux/ ... If I get time later, I'll rip out the LO versions in /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/share/fonts and replace with the other TTF versions to see if the issue is just the TTF conversion, or the LO version. Did that doesn't seem to make much difference. OTF font renders considerably cleaner. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
Hi :) This interview is a good opportunity for someone to gain experience at doing a non-hostile interview. Both sides of the interview want to show off good sides of the project and possibly the interview might be used in promotions work to encourage more people to try LibreOffice. Most of us are volunteers and most of us gain a lot by doing so. At worst a few people waste a couple of hours but at best we end up with more people working in both teams and gain promotional materials and perhaps those involved make positive changes to, or refresh, their career-goals (and perhaps opportunities) in their paid work. Heck, it might even be fun too! Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com wrote: From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 20:16 -- Forwarded message -- From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org, market...@global.libreoffice.org If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Just a thought. Wroger Wroger. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
Hi I am good at questions. What does this Hackfest involve? I have been out of the loop lately due to family circumstances. Regards Bernard Carney On 4 October 2011 21:00, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) This interview is a good opportunity for someone to gain experience at doing a non-hostile interview. Both sides of the interview want to show off good sides of the project and possibly the interview might be used in promotions work to encourage more people to try LibreOffice. Most of us are volunteers and most of us gain a lot by doing so. At worst a few people waste a couple of hours but at best we end up with more people working in both teams and gain promotional materials and perhaps those involved make positive changes to, or refresh, their career-goals (and perhaps opportunities) in their paid work. Heck, it might even be fun too! Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com wrote: From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 20:16 -- Forwarded message -- From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org, market...@global.libreoffice.org If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Just a thought. Wroger Wroger. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards Bernard Carney -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
Hi :) Here is a previous interview about something else http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/01/21/developer-interview-robert-nagy/ It might be best to join the Marketing List to get details. Italo Drew might be useful contacts. Italo is a lead person in marketing and was at the Hackfest. Drew has done some YouTube work. If you choose to do video work he might have some tipstricks and maybe some ideas. The Hackfest happened a few weeks ago and seems to have been very positive. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest2011 http://www.fsf.org/events/20110902-04-lohf-munich The BoD elections are happening soon so it might be a busy time for everyone on the Steering Committee but i think it's worth asking Italo. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Bernard Carney bern.car...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bernard Carney bern.car...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 21:11 Hi I am good at questions. What does this Hackfest involve? I have been out of the loop lately due to family circumstances. Regards Bernard Carney On 4 October 2011 21:00, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) This interview is a good opportunity for someone to gain experience at doing a non-hostile interview. Both sides of the interview want to show off good sides of the project and possibly the interview might be used in promotions work to encourage more people to try LibreOffice. Most of us are volunteers and most of us gain a lot by doing so. At worst a few people waste a couple of hours but at best we end up with more people working in both teams and gain promotional materials and perhaps those involved make positive changes to, or refresh, their career-goals (and perhaps opportunities) in their paid work. Heck, it might even be fun too! Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com wrote: From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 20:16 -- Forwarded message -- From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org, market...@global.libreoffice.org If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Just a thought. Wroger Wroger. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian Regards Bernard Carney -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
orcmid comment=below / -Original Message- From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:35 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: disc...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved [ ... ] Thanks to all the people who answered this. It seems whether LibreOffice is partially or completely compliant to OASIS version 1.2 is more complicated to establish for non-dev people. It would be interesting if OASIS had a validation site much like the W3C validation site[1] where a person could check whether their version of ODF files were OASIS-approved. It doesn't look like there is such a location on the OASIS site. Cheers Marc [1] http://validator.w3.org orcmid Yes, there is no OASIS validation tool. There is one that Oracle has. This has been discussed more on the Assessing ODF Conformance ... thread. There will never be an OASIS-approved statement for ODF documents. There is basically schema validation available, and there are a variety of schema verifiers. It would be good to work cooperatively to improve them. (Schema validity assessment is not enough to know that all of the ODF rules not baked into the schema are honored, but it is an important first-order start.) /orcmid -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
The eWeek Linux e-newsletter has an article for LibreOffice, The Document Foundation Mark First Anniversary http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=45439l=54ctl=13A790:91D0536A255EC8E5AA35B7A6F056437A; http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=45439l=54ctl=13A790:91D0536A255EC8E5AA35B7A6F056437A; -- Yes, as long as the good work goes out and people see that LO is there and is a good alternative to MSO. I went online and OOo is still showing 3.3.0, just like it had when LO's 3.3.0 beat them to that version number. I did not see any info for any release above that. If there would be any updates, it would say .01 or .1 after 3.3, but that was not there. As for Ubuntu 11.xx, it seems to install the highest resolution of the graphics card instead of the largest resolution that the monitor does. I found out that when I tried to install 11.04. I may see if my CRT monitor will work with that resolution and then install 11.10 and reduce the resolution to what my LCD can do.. On 10/04/2011 01:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) LibreOffice has been pushing out upgrades not updates. There has not been anything as small as an update for LO, it's all been a lot substantial. Maybe OpenOffice is putting out a few patches and bitsbobs? I wouldn't know as the only place i have OOo is on an out-of-date Fedora (which i plan to install Ubuntu 11.10 on in about a month) Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo To: LibreO - Users Globalusers@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 14:16 A new article came out with info about the differences between LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. The problem was the author did not get all her facts straight. She calls LO and OOo the same program, but it is no longer the same. She even states that LO programmers have removed a lot of code, so it is not the same program any more. Actually the move to Python code to replace Java changes a lot as well. Sure it looks similar, but that does not make it the same. I can get Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian to look the same but I do not think you can call them the same either, even though they are related and came from the same original code base. She also states OOo has picked up on its updates, but I just looked and it still at 3.3.0 for its offered download from its site. So if it was at 3.3.0 in the spring and in the fall it is the same, I do not think it has picked up on its updates. LO has gone from 3.3.0 to 3.3.4 and to 3.4.3 since spring. At least she does state that most people agree that LO is the better of the two, and she recommends it to her listeners. It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight. -- http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=11474utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2011-10-04-article-1utm_campaign=end-bpage=3 (Page 3 of 3) Give me LibreOffice or give me OpenOffice? [quote] Earlier this year, IBM encouraged Oracle to spin off OpenOffice to the Apache Software Foundation. IBM has a stake in all this because its Lotus Symphony business productivity suite is based on OpenOffice. The hope is that the community-driven Apache Software Foundation will do for OpenOffice what the Document Foundation did for LibreOffice. That's why you may have noticed OpenOffice updates picking up a bit. [unquote] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
Concerning the glance, below, at what might be further releases beyond OOo 3.3.0, I can add this much personal observation: The release last being worked on at OpenOffice.org was OOo 3.4.0. An OOo-dev 3.4 is available for download, but that is equivalent to a beta. Because of license changes and such, I would not expect to see any more 3.3 releases of any kind. The first Apache OOo 3.4.0 incubator release, whenever it happens, will be rather different for that reason as well. It is too soon to know details at this point. At AOOo, the work is to get builds working again and also take other steps necessary to accomplish a during-incubation release at Apache. A full-up release is not imminent, though there should be source that others can build from and adapt too, once the license declarations are cleaned up in the code and some incompatible-license dependencies are cleaned out. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 15:39 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo [ ... ] I went online and OOo is still showing 3.3.0, just like it had when LO's 3.3.0 beat them to that version number. I did not see any info for any release above that. If there would be any updates, it would say .01 or .1 after 3.3, but that was not there. [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
Italo is a wanker. I told him so. He couldn't shovel shit in a septic tank. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Here is a previous interview about something else http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/01/21/developer-interview-robert-nagy/ It might be best to join the Marketing List to get details. Italo Drew might be useful contacts. Italo is a lead person in marketing and was at the Hackfest. Drew has done some YouTube work. If you choose to do video work he might have some tipstricks and maybe some ideas. The Hackfest happened a few weeks ago and seems to have been very positive. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest2011 http://www.fsf.org/events/20110902-04-lohf-munich The BoD elections are happening soon so it might be a busy time for everyone on the Steering Committee but i think it's worth asking Italo. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Bernard Carney bern.car...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bernard Carney bern.car...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 21:11 Hi I am good at questions. What does this Hackfest involve? I have been out of the loop lately due to family circumstances. Regards Bernard Carney On 4 October 2011 21:00, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) This interview is a good opportunity for someone to gain experience at doing a non-hostile interview. Both sides of the interview want to show off good sides of the project and possibly the interview might be used in promotions work to encourage more people to try LibreOffice. Most of us are volunteers and most of us gain a lot by doing so. At worst a few people waste a couple of hours but at best we end up with more people working in both teams and gain promotional materials and perhaps those involved make positive changes to, or refresh, their career-goals (and perhaps opportunities) in their paid work. Heck, it might even be fun too! Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com wrote: From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 20:16 -- Forwarded message -- From: Callme Shane callmeshane...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: users@global.libreoffice.org, market...@global.libreoffice.org If I was into the getting results, I'd offer the paid position to people who get results instead of crawling around looking for dumb ass kissers to do my bidding. Just a thought. Wroger Wroger. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian Regards Bernard Carney -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?
Hi I would be an interviewer but I want to know more about that: 1) How good have to be my english ? 2) Who is the person that I will interview ? 3) How is going to be the interview: chat, write, videoconference ? and more so on ... Regards, Jorge Rodríguez ___ El mar, 04-10-2011 a las 19:41 +0100, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Does anyone have marketing experience or is anyone interested in doing some voluntary work in marketing? There is a one-off task that could be a good start. You could draft the questions in advance to get feedback from the marketing list. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 4/10/11, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone? To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 12:35 Hello, is there really nobody outside who would like to work on the interview for the Hackfest? We should get this one done rather soon, as the Hackfest has been a month ago, but at the moment, my time is really low due to many other TDF work I do. Doesn't someone of you want to be an interviewer and ask one of our fellow developers some nice questions about the Hackfest? :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a wanker. I told him so. He couldn't shovel shit in a septic tank. Why would he? That's your job! PLONK -- Gene Young -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Interviewer, anyone?
Another bright idea - full of them it seems. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a wanker. I told him so. He couldn't shovel shit in a septic tank. Why would he? That's your job! PLONK -- Gene Young -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?
On 10/04/2011 05:35 PM, Gene Young wrote: On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a snipped. I told him so. He couldn't shovel snipped Why would he? That's your job! PLONK Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts
You can easily see if on screen antialiasing is working: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' and click OK. You should notice a considerable difference. Yes it does work with other fonts, including Biolinum O and Libertine O. But those are not the same as the Graphite fonts, they don't do the glyph and kerning and other pretty things. I can certainly live with them for on-screen editing, but it would still be nice to have the Graphite versions working properly. That said, I find the fonts Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G ttf fonts provided as defaults in LO do have rendering problems (particularly when viewed at standard 12 pt). They also seem to have odd version numbers with compared with the fonts from: Those fonts don't even exist in my LO - presumably it's a Debian choice not to ship them. I've installed them manually. Maybe I should ask the question on a Debian list? Still, what is strange is that the Graphite fonts work fine (ie with anti-aliasing) in other applications such as PDF viewers and the font viewer, just not in LO. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts
On 10/04/2011 06:48 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote: You can easily see if on screen antialiasing is working: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' and click OK. You should notice a considerable difference. Yes it does work with other fonts, including Biolinum O and Libertine O. But those are not the same as the Graphite fonts, they don't do the glyph and kerning and other pretty things. I can certainly live with them for on-screen editing, but it would still be nice to have the Graphite versions working properly. I find the Graphite fonts defective. Here is a screenshot of the LO built-in versions when printed via cups-pdf (compared to otf): http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/screenshot2ll.png/ And here's a screenshot from LO 3.4.3: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/screenshotlibertine343o.png/ click on the image to enlarge. It's easy to see the difference between the G and the O versions. I find that same when printing directly to the printer. That said, I find the fonts Linux Biolinum G and Linux Libertine G ttf fonts provided as defaults in LO do have rendering problems (particularly when viewed at standard 12 pt). They also seem to have odd version numbers with compared with the fonts from: Those fonts don't even exist in my LO - presumably it's a Debian choice not to ship them. I've installed them manually. Where did you install them from where did you put them? If LO is installed directly they are in the /opt folders: $ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/share/fonts/truetype DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf GenBkBasB.ttf DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf GenBkBasI.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-BoldOblique.ttf GenBkBasR.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-Bold.ttf LiberationMono-BoldItalic.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-Oblique.ttf LiberationMono-Bold.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed.ttf LiberationMono-Italic.ttf DejaVuSans-ExtraLight.ttfLiberationMono-Regular.ttf DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf LiberationSans-BoldItalic.ttf DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf LiberationSans-Bold.ttf DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf LiberationSans-Italic.ttf DejaVuSansMono.ttf LiberationSansNarrow-BoldItalic.ttf DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf LiberationSansNarrow-Bold.ttf DejaVuSans.ttf LiberationSansNarrow-Italic.ttf DejaVuSerif-BoldItalic.ttf LiberationSansNarrow-Regular.ttf DejaVuSerif-Bold.ttf LiberationSans-Regular.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-BoldItalic.ttf LiberationSerif-BoldItalic.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-Bold.ttfLiberationSerif-Bold.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-Italic.ttf LiberationSerif-Italic.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf LiberationSerif-Regular.ttf DejaVuSerif-Italic.ttf LinBiolinumG_Bd.ttf DejaVuSerif.ttf LinBiolinumG_It.ttf fc_local.confLinBiolinumG_Re.ttf GenBasBI.ttf LinLibertineG_Bd.ttf GenBasB.ttf LinLibertineG_BI.ttf GenBasI.ttf LinLibertineG_It.ttf GenBasR.ttf LinLibertineG_Re.ttf GenBkBasBI.ttf opens___.ttf When I tested I removed all and installed directly to ~/.fonts Maybe I should ask the question on a Debian list? Might be a good idea. However Where did you install them from where did you put them? might give a clue as to what you have installed. Still, what is strange is that the Graphite fonts work fine (ie with anti-aliasing) in other applications such as PDF viewers and the font viewer, just not in LO. PDF viewers (Adobe, Evince, etc) will show the rendered output from the system print isn't related (as far as I know) to the application screen render. When you tried the 'Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' did the screen Graphite fonts change in LO? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?
On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a snipped. I told him so. He couldn't shovel snipped On 10/04/2011 05:35 PM, Gene Young wrote: Why would he? That's your job! PLONK on Wednesday, 5th. of October 2011 at 12:21 PM, NoOp wrote: Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether. I agree with NoOp. Some of this individual's comments have provided a little light comic relief, however the majority of it's comments have been nothing more than obscene arrogant mindless spiteful personal attacks designed to do nothing more than interrupt and slander the workings of a perfectly good organisation. I don't think any of us need that in our lives. The purpose of this list is to help each other and to argue new ideas, not for posting obscenities from the gutter. Bruce. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts
It's easy to see the difference between the G and the O versions. I find that same when printing directly to the printer. I'm not sure if you are suggesting that they should be the same. My understanding is that they should not be the same, because the OTF versions are missing the extra graphite features. An easy test it to try typing ff in each of the fonts - in the graphite version the two fs are closer together than in the OTF version and the second f is slightly larger than the first. Where did you install them from where did you put them? I just naively installed them with the KDE font installer on one box, and the Gnome font installer on the other. That seems to have put them under /usr/local/share/fonts/ If LO is installed directly they are in the /opt folders: $ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/share/fonts/truetype Obviously Debian puts these someplace else - I have no /opt/libreoffice* directory. In fact AFAICT the LO that I have includes no fonts at all. That is, I have grepped the file list from all When I tested I removed all and installed directly to ~/.fonts I have no ~/.fonts directory either. When you tried the 'Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' did the screen Graphite fonts change in LO? Yes it did change. So it is doing some kind of anti-aliasing, but still looks wrong. Is it worth my making a screenshot? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?
Bruce, take his cock out of your mouth before you speak. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.auwrote: On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a snipped. I told him so. He couldn't shovel snipped On 10/04/2011 05:35 PM, Gene Young wrote: Why would he? That's your job! PLONK on Wednesday, 5th. of October 2011 at 12:21 PM, NoOp wrote: Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether. I agree with NoOp. Some of this individual's comments have provided a little light comic relief, however the majority of it's comments have been nothing more than obscene arrogant mindless spiteful personal attacks designed to do nothing more than interrupt and slander the workings of a perfectly good organisation. I don't think any of us need that in our lives. The purpose of this list is to help each other and to argue new ideas, not for posting obscenities from the gutter. Bruce. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?
What? and deprive me of arseholes to laugh at? Aw On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:20 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 10/04/2011 05:35 PM, Gene Young wrote: On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a snipped. I told him so. He couldn't shovel snipped Why would he? That's your job! PLONK Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- * Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow.* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
