date:20120603

I had removed jre from the computer and restarted the computer to update 
configuration.  I had run j_win and been told I need a jre on the machine 
so was sent to the website where I downloaded jre.  I ran j_win again as 
instructed and was told a jre environment wasn't found again and offered 
the opportunity to download it again and I refused.  I ran the jre package 
and installed jre.  Then I ran j_win again and this time was presented 
with the info screens and proceeded to install JavaAccessBridge with j_win 
with no problems and I have a log of the installation on the computer.  
Then I installed libreoffice 3.5 again and ran libreoffice and hit alt-t 
then o then a then a then space then return.  End result, jre is defective 
message again from libreoffice.



 Jude 
 



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[libreoffice-users] Impress: No slide numbers

2012-06-03 Thread Agustin Lobo

Hi all,
In Impress, I do View/Header and Footer and select
Slide number, I  can see the little rectangle in the right-bottom
corner, then Apply to all, but... the slide number does not come up
in the slides. I have also tried with Master, there the right-bottom field is
greyed.
Using LibreOffice LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)
Ubuntu 11:10

Any help appreciated

Thanks
Agus

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress spontaneously changes formatting

2012-06-03 Thread rdb

The tabs are relative to the text box, as far as I can see.

I am not really sure where I can find the "adjust text size to space
available", but I'm pretty certain I didn't select it. In the 'Text' tab of
the 'Text...' right-click option, "Fit height to text" is selected and not
"Fit to frame".

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Re: Microsoft .TLA and .TLAx Extensions (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?)

On 06/03/2012 06:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The speculative responses to this suggestion are very amusing.
>
> I tried it.  After all, computing is an empirical science [;<).
>
> Here is what happened when I renamed a .xls to .xlsx:
>
>   "Excel [2010] cannot open the file '.xlsx' 
>   because the file format or file extension is not valid.  
>   Verify that the file has not been corrupted and that the 
>   file extension matches the format of the file."
>
> LibreOffice 3.3.2 Calc was perfectly happy to open the file correctly as the 
> .xls that it actually is.
>
> I renamed a .doc to .docx and got this message from Word 2010:
>
>   "Word cannot open the file because the file format does not
>match the file extension.  (\\Whs\...Spec9-copy.docx)"
>
> LibreOffice 3.3.2 Writer was also successful in importing the file without 
> complaint.
>
> I leave renaming .ppt to .pptx as an exercise.
>
>  - Dennis
>
>  
Interesting, Excel and Word get confused by the change but Writer and
Calc do not. I do not advocate changing file extensions. I would have
thought the opposite would occur, MSO no problem and LO confused.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andreas Säger [mailto:ville...@t-online.de] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 13:04
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
>
> Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
>> I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
>> .doc to .docx?
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
> Brilliant idea! This way you get much better results while the WinWord 
> user will not notice any difference at all.
>
>


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Microsoft .TLA and .TLAx Extensions (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?)

2012-06-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

There are security issues around allowing MSO binaries being disguised as OOXML 
and then silently accepted anyhow.  The decision, stupid or not, is clearly by 
design.

To see the importance of this, note that you cannot rename a *.docm 
(macro-enabled) as a *.docx (no macros here, ever) and get away with it.  

Please keep in mind that the disguise was proposed on this list as a deception 
(regardless of whether the requirement was wrong-headed or not).  And the 
deception is needed to compensate for the fact that Save As ... .docx is not 
the greatest thing since sliced bread in OpenOffice-lineage implementations.  
(Um, I am not sure that Save As ... .docx is even possible in Apache 
OpenOffice, although I am confident that will change.)

 - Dennis

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From: Andreas Säger [mailto:ville...@t-online.de] 
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 18:00
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Am 04.06.2012 00:50, Brian Barker wrote:
>
> You are implying that a file with a .docx extension but actually in .doc
> format will be happily opened by Microsoft Word - that Word will simply
> interpret the contents and ignore the inappropriate extension, that is.
> Sadly for your theory, that appears not to be the case.
>
> Brian Barker
>
>

Thank you for trying. I did not know how stupid that program is.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Am 04.06.2012 00:50, Brian Barker wrote:


You are implying that a file with a .docx extension but actually in .doc
format will be happily opened by Microsoft Word - that Word will simply
interpret the contents and ignore the inappropriate extension, that is.
Sadly for your theory, that appears not to be the case.

Brian Barker




Thank you for trying. I did not know how stupid that program is.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

Jude,

I understood you the first time.

But please uninstall your JRE's  and then use the JWin installer to preform
the JRE and JAB 2.0.2 reinstall. It really does perform a correct
installation of the JAB--you need to ensure that is done correctly before
you will be able to work with LibreOffice (or any other program using a Java
runtime based accessibility tool). 

Stuart



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Am 04.06.2012 00:59, Tom Davies wrote:


Andreas' and e-letter's answer is to tell people that to use LO they must stop 
communicating with anyone that uses MS Office, so that is all their customers 
and clients, their colleagues, their boss and people that work for them, their 
family and friends.




Are you going to start a flame war against me? Be careful, pal. Your 
assertion is without any substance.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

Before I joined this email list, I had done all of that.  In fact, when 
I uninstalled jre-1.7, I also removed jre-1.6 because libreoffice chose 
jre-1.6 rather than jre-1.7 when the two jre's were on the machine at 
the same time.  Those were suggestions I got from the nvda-support list 
nvda-supp...@freelists.org and I did all of that before I arrived here.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, V Stuart Foote wrote:

> Jude,
> 
> Please uninstall your Java Runtime and Java Access Bridge--and run the JWin
> utility to install a JRE then correctly configure Java Access Bridge. It
> doesn't do anything that can't be done by hand, but the manual set up is
> error prone. Please get JAB configured correctly and then let us know about
> activating LibreOffice Accessibility Tools and  using NVDA.
> 
> Also,  the Windows Registry configuration file that the NVDA project offers 
> "OpenOffice_EnableAssistiveTechnologySupport.reg" is defunct.  It has no
> effect on a LibreOffice installation since the registry keys in the .reg
> file DO NOT EXIST with a LibreOffice installation--the code is there, but it
> is orphaned when LibreOffice is built.
> 
> The setting for enabling or disabling the GUI in LibreOffice is recorded to
> an XML based file "registrymodifications.xcu" in each users %APPDATA%
> folder, on Windows 7 that would be
> 
> C:\Users\ name>\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\registrymodifications.xcu
> 
> The stanza to toggle the default from false to true is:
>   oor:path="/org.openoffice.VCL/Settings/org.openoffice.VCL:ConfigurableSettings['Accessibility']">
>  oor:type="xs:string">false
> 
> 
> It would be a challenge to use the .xcu file to toggle AT on/off--but that
> is the current state of things with LibreOffice.  
> 
> So unfortunately you will need to use the T, O, A, A, ,
>  to perform the configuration--but with a valid JRE and JAB the
> Assistive Technology tools should be functional for you.
> 
> Stuart
> 
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> 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

Jude,

Please uninstall your Java Runtime and Java Access Bridge--and run the JWin
utility to install a JRE then correctly configure Java Access Bridge. It
doesn't do anything that can't be done by hand, but the manual set up is
error prone. Please get JAB configured correctly and then let us know about
activating LibreOffice Accessibility Tools and  using NVDA.

Also,  the Windows Registry configuration file that the NVDA project offers 
"OpenOffice_EnableAssistiveTechnologySupport.reg" is defunct.  It has no
effect on a LibreOffice installation since the registry keys in the .reg
file DO NOT EXIST with a LibreOffice installation--the code is there, but it
is orphaned when LibreOffice is built.

The setting for enabling or disabling the GUI in LibreOffice is recorded to
an XML based file "registrymodifications.xcu" in each users %APPDATA%
folder, on Windows 7 that would be

C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\registrymodifications.xcu

The stanza to toggle the default from false to true is:
 
false


It would be a challenge to use the .xcu file to toggle AT on/off--but that
is the current state of things with LibreOffice.  

So unfortunately you will need to use the T, O, A, A, ,
 to perform the configuration--but with a valid JRE and JAB the
Assistive Technology tools should be functional for you.

Stuart

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Hi :)
You have to use "Save As ..".  Just renaming the file-extension probably wont 
work as they are 2 very different formats.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 21:04

Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
> I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
> .doc to .docx?
>
> F.
>
>

Brilliant idea! This way you get much better results while the WinWord 
user will not notice any difference at all.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Hi :)
Can we agree to disagree?

Jay's answer is imperfect but it gets LO out there.  People see it working and 
see that they can read documents from him although he has to do a lot of work 
sometimes to tidy-up documents they give him.  

Andreas' and e-letter's answer is to tell people that to use LO they must stop 
communicating with anyone that uses MS Office, so that is all their customers 
and clients, their colleagues, their boss and people that work for them, their 
family and friends.  

Personally i prefer Jay's answer.  If we can get LO, OOo and the rest out there 
to people then we will be able to choose formats later.  If we can't then we 
will stay stuck with the wrong format.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 21:21

Am 03.06.2012 22:18, Jay Lozier wrote:
> My idea is to show that whatever MS does with file formats that you are
> not required to use MSO at all.

And this is falsified each and every day as you can read on this list, in the 
press, anywhere on the internet.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Brian Barker


At 22:04 03/06/2012 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes 
the file extension from .doc to .docx?


Brilliant idea! This way you get much better 
results while the WinWord user will not notice any difference at all.


You are implying that a file with a .docx 
extension but actually in .doc format will be 
happily opened by Microsoft Word - that Word will 
simply interpret the contents and ignore the 
inappropriate extension, that is.  Sadly for your 
theory, that appears not to be the case.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Brian Barker


At 19:03 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:

At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension 
from .doc to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.


sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics' 
of submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so 
why not just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but 
avoid getting one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was 
the point of the question. would Word get confused by the extension change?


Yes: apparently so.  That was my point: the subterfuge does not work.

Brian Barker


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Microsoft .TLA and .TLAx Extensions (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?)

2012-06-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

The speculative responses to this suggestion are very amusing.

I tried it.  After all, computing is an empirical science [;<).

Here is what happened when I renamed a .xls to .xlsx:

  "Excel [2010] cannot open the file '.xlsx' 
  because the file format or file extension is not valid.  
  Verify that the file has not been corrupted and that the 
  file extension matches the format of the file."

LibreOffice 3.3.2 Calc was perfectly happy to open the file correctly as the 
.xls that it actually is.

I renamed a .doc to .docx and got this message from Word 2010:

  "Word cannot open the file because the file format does not
   match the file extension.  (\\Whs\...Spec9-copy.docx)"

LibreOffice 3.3.2 Writer was also successful in importing the file without 
complaint.

I leave renaming .ppt to .pptx as an exercise.

 - Dennis

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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 13:04
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
> I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
> .doc to .docx?
>
> F.
>
>

Brilliant idea! This way you get much better results while the WinWord 
user will not notice any difference at all.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Ken Springer


On 6/2/12 8:46 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


There seems to be differenting opinions on how business ready 3.5.3 was

So now that LO 3.5.4 is out,

I ask the users, is it ready to be deployed to my/our business users?

We really need to know.

The last "official" word on the 3.5.x line was that business users would
research the package before downloading and installing it.

Well, I do not know how they will to all that research, or where they
will get the documentation for it, before downloading it.

So I am asking LO users the question.
Is 3.5.4 ready for our business and/or enterprise users?

The doc people are work hard to get more 3.5.x line documentation out,
but to be honest about it people can still use 3.3.x and 3.4.x docs till
3.5.x comes out.


I would have to say.. absolutely not.  :-(

The easiest way to answer your basic question, IMO, is to ask 
yourself...  "Can I make a profit selling this product?"  If the answer 
is "No", you're not ready.


To do that, you need to be able to beat MS at it's own game.

You not only have to be able to meet the competition, but exceed the 
competition.  IMO, too many basics don't do this.


LO has to work and be satisfactory to *every* potential business and 
government user.  I don't think any business or government agency is 
going to test the software for a week, and conclude all is well.  They 
may not be happy later when something they expected to work doesn't 
work, yet MSO or another product had no issues with it.


I'm willing to bet, that within every government all features of MSO 
will be used.  Only some features will be used by any individual or 
division, but every MSO feature will be used by somebody somewhere.


On March 5, 2010, I filed this bug on 3.5.0: 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986  One poster has 
reported it as being reproducible.


Yet it is still unconfirmed, and not fixed in 3.5.4.2.  It may not be 
important to the devs of LO, but it's sure important to me.  And if this 
doesn't work for me, why would I recommend LO to someone?


I had three or four other issues with 3.5.0, but if no one even bothers 
to confirm this issue, why should I bother reporting any other?


Occasionally, I will rehab/save/refurbish, whatever word you prefer, an 
older computer system to be given away, and I used to install LO.  I no 
longer do that, because of the issues I've found.  I've started to 
include a less powerful free office product, Kingsoft Office.  They do 
not offer a Mac version, so I've not been able to test it for even the 
issues I've found in LO.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Ken Springer

On 6/3/12 2:25 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 06/03/2012 03:30 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
different interface.

No so, Jay.

I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for
Office 2010. But I found these on the web:

To hide the ribbon in 2007 and 2010:
http://techie-buzz.com/how-to/minimize-hide-ribbons-in-office-2010-office-2007.html

You might also find this useful, putting Office 2003 menus back into
2010:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19323/bring-office-2003-menus-back-to-2010-with-ubitmenu/
I don't know if it would work with 2007.

I've not tried either solution.

Interesting, I think many would like it to be a relatively easy switch
to do and it is easily available in MSO 2007/2010. Both links indicate
that one must install ubitmenu to do this, it is not something that is
provided by MS.

When will I ever learn!LOL Should have started with MS's Knowledge
Base.

When I first saw 2007, I thought the ribbon idea sucked. And back then,
I found out how to get rid of it, but didn't remember how.

All of these links have information on ways to deal with the ribbon, and
appear to work in both 2007 and 2010.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/use-the-ribbon-instead-of-toolbars-and-menus-HA010089895.aspx#BM3
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/word-2010-tips-and-tricks-RZ102673170.aspx?section=11
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/tip-11-use-the-quick-access-toolbar-0-47-RZ102673170.aspx?section=12
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/customize-the-quick-access-toolbar-HA001234105.aspx

I don't think you could make it any easier than customizing the Quick
Access Toolbar with a button toggles the Ribbon on or off. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message



do you have any opinion what is the practical lowest system speed and 
resources that are needed to take a Windows computer and add this type 
of access?


Operating Systems: all 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows 
XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7

(including Server operating Systems).
Memory: 256 mb or more of RAM
Processor speed: 1.0 ghz or above
About 50 MB of storage space.

seems to be too low for a working system.

I have a old WinXP system that may be able to have it, since it has a 
better memory and drive space.  I think the CPU speed is 1.0 Ghz or 
better as well.


I know a few people who have vision issues.  It would be great to have a 
system that they can use without being able to read the screen.





On 06/03/2012 06:00 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

On the nvda-project site under openoffice you'll find a registry patch
which I downloaded and merged since nvda won't have openoffice or
libreoffice speaking without that registry patch.  Also, I'm running
windows  7 on a 32-bit machine.  I'd have to get another machine with
more memory and better motherboard to run in 64-bit mode.  I have 1 gig
of ram on the machine and it's a Dell which is proprietary architecture
so we have lots of moving parts here.  http://www.nvda-project.org/ for
the screen reader download page.  It too like libreoffice is open source
and if you know python you too can improve the program.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, V Stuart Foote wrote:


Jude,

Sorry, didn't catch this the first time through your posting. Please double
check your entrance sequence to use Accessibility Tools in Libre Office:

The sequence you list would put you in the Appearance panel, not the
Accessibility panel--need to enter a second "a"

t  --  Tools
o -- Options
a --  for the Appearance panel
a -- for the Accessibility panel
   -- enter accessibility  panel, positioned on the "Support Assistive
Technology Tools (program restart required)
  -- space bar to toggle on or toggle off

Stuart


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

On the nvda-project site under openoffice you'll find a registry patch 
which I downloaded and merged since nvda won't have openoffice or 
libreoffice speaking without that registry patch.  Also, I'm running 
windows  7 on a 32-bit machine.  I'd have to get another machine with 
more memory and better motherboard to run in 64-bit mode.  I have 1 gig 
of ram on the machine and it's a Dell which is proprietary architecture 
so we have lots of moving parts here.  http://www.nvda-project.org/ for 
the screen reader download page.  It too like libreoffice is open source 
and if you know python you too can improve the program.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, V Stuart Foote wrote:

> Jude,
> 
> Sorry, didn't catch this the first time through your posting. Please double
> check your entrance sequence to use Accessibility Tools in Libre Office:
> 
> The sequence you list would put you in the Appearance panel, not the
> Accessibility panel--need to enter a second "a"
> 
> t  --  Tools
> o -- Options
> a --  for the Appearance panel
> a -- for the Accessibility panel
>   -- enter accessibility  panel, positioned on the "Support Assistive
> Technology Tools (program restart required)
>  -- space bar to toggle on or toggle off
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
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> 
> 

Jude 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

No, when I did that sequence I hit the a key twice.  When alt-t is hit, 
libreoffice says nothing.  When o is hit I hear options spoken.  When I 
hit a for the first time I hear appearance spoken and that's not where I 
want to go.  When I hit a again I hear accessibility spoken.  When I hit 
tab I hear support assistive technology.  When I hit space I hear 
nothing.  When I hit enter I get the inferior jre message and an ok 
prompt.  When I hit enter, I go back to the main screen.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, V Stuart Foote wrote:

> Jude,
> 
> Sorry, didn't catch this the first time through your posting. Please double
> check your entrance sequence to use Accessibility Tools in Libre Office:
> 
> The sequence you list would put you in the Appearance panel, not the
> Accessibility panel--need to enter a second "a"
> 
> t  --  Tools
> o -- Options
> a --  for the Appearance panel
> a -- for the Accessibility panel
>   -- enter accessibility  panel, positioned on the "Support Assistive
> Technology Tools (program restart required)
>  -- space bar to toggle on or toggle off
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
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> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 

Jude 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On 06/03/2012 05:17 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:


At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension 
from .doc to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.

Brian Barker


sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics' 
of submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so 
why not just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but 
avoid getting one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was 
the point of the question. would Word get confused by the extension 
change?


F.


As the original OP, and did not talk about the .doc/.docx problem, I 
never gave a concern about this topic.


I do not look to see who started this talk as part of my thread on 
whether 3.5.4 was ready for business users, or was their too many 
issues/bugs/etc. still that would be a problem for the business users.


I created the thread on "Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:46:38 -0400"  according 
to my Sent folder.


SO please do not tell people that the OP is concerned about something 
when he has not stated it ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Do not put words into my mouth that someone could make trouble here 
for me! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


sorry ! ! ! ! ! !

f.



I just blew off, so I am sorry myself.
I know someone broke the thread up into to discussions with the same 
subject line.  That happens, but if you claim someone is concerned with 
something, you should make sure you make sure that is the person who 
said it.  As the OP, and not the person to started to discuss .doc/docx, 
I could not be claimed to have said something about that discussion.  I 
have made an effort to stay out of that discussion in the thread I created.


I think the .doc/.docx needs to be done thoroughly in a different 
thread.  That is a big issue with me and I would love to discuss it 
outside this thread name.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: inferior jre error message

Jude,

Sorry, didn't catch this the first time through your posting. Please double
check your entrance sequence to use Accessibility Tools in Libre Office:

The sequence you list would put you in the Appearance panel, not the
Accessibility panel--need to enter a second "a"

t  --  Tools
o -- Options
a --  for the Appearance panel
a -- for the Accessibility panel
  -- enter accessibility  panel, positioned on the "Support Assistive
Technology Tools (program restart required)
 -- space bar to toggle on or toggle off

Stuart


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Jude DaShiell wrote
> 
> No.  Not ready for Government academic or business users.  What's worse, 
> the accessibility problems "inferior jre" with windows registry patch 
> merged didn't start in libreoffice at all.  Those same problems exist in 
> openoffice 3.45 which I think is its current version.  Something or 
> somethings were broken before the import or copy over of code from 
> openoffice to libreoffice.  The accessibility problems put libreoffice 
> in a Section 508 violation situation.
> 

Jude,

Please review request for feedback on your  Windows Java Access Bridge 2.0.2
installation from your original thread titled "inferior jre error message".  

We've closed the 46114 Bug as "NotABug"--but if you really are still having
issues this needs attention and we need your assistance in testing
Accessibility support.

Regards,

Stuart


V Stuart Foote wrote
> 
> Re: inferior jre error message
> Jun 01, 2012; 3:06pm — by V Stuart Foote
> Jude,
> 
> Would you please try an installation of the Java Access Bridge 2.0.2 using
> the JWin installer by Jamal Mazrui and report back if you have assistive
> technology in general  and in particular if NVDA is functioning as you'd
> expect.
> 
> Program download link is here -- 
> http://EmpowermentZone.com/JWin_setup.exe --
> 
> Additional information about the project here -- 
> http://empowermentzone.com/JWin.htm -- but basically this installer
> automates installation and configuration of the Java Access Bridge and
> correctly configures the Java Runtime to work with it.  The manual
> installation of JAB and configuring the JRE for use is daunting,  even for
> the sighted--I certainly seemed to have problems.
> 
> Use of this installer should eliminate that aspect of non-functioning
> Accessibility Tools in LibreOffice 3.5.x, and so would allow us to
> concentrate on any actual issues with LibreOffice.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Stuart
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:


At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from 
.doc to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.

Brian Barker


sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics' of 
submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so why not 
just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but avoid getting 
one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was the point of the 
question. would Word get confused by the extension change?


F.


As the original OP, and did not talk about the .doc/.docx problem, I never 
gave a concern about this topic.


I do not look to see who started this talk as part of my thread on whether 
3.5.4 was ready for business users, or was their too many issues/bugs/etc. 
still that would be a problem for the business users.


I created the thread on "Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:46:38 -0400"  according to my 
Sent folder.


SO please do not tell people that the OP is concerned about something when he 
has not stated it ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Do not put words into my mouth that someone could make trouble here for me! ! 
! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


sorry ! ! ! ! ! !

f.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:


At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension 
from .doc to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.

Brian Barker


sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics' 
of submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so 
why not just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but 
avoid getting one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was the 
point of the question. would Word get confused by the extension change?


F.


As the original OP, and did not talk about the .doc/.docx problem, I 
never gave a concern about this topic.


I do not look to see who started this talk as part of my thread on 
whether 3.5.4 was ready for business users, or was their too many 
issues/bugs/etc. still that would be a problem for the business users.


I created the thread on "Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:46:38 -0400"  according to 
my Sent folder.


SO please do not tell people that the OP is concerned about something 
when he has not stated it ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Do not put words into my mouth that someone could make trouble here for 
me! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

2012-06-03 Thread Steve Edmonds


Not Business ready then?

On 2012-06-04 02:12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


Tom
as the OP of this thread, my real issue was while it was "upgrading" 
the status text indicated to me that is was going to transfer my user 
profile info and such.  It did not do the proper job if it decided to 
transfer only the user name and other such data, and not all of the 
extensions he/she relies on.


I thin someone said that the 3.5.x like uses a different folder for 
the user data.  If so, maybe there is an error in the copying of that 
info to the new folder before that old folder was erased.


I have not tried this 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 on a Ubuntu system, only a WinXP 
laptop.  There must be a fix to this issue.


Can you imagine what a business type of user has to go through to move 
10, 50, 100 machines, using Windows, from 3.4.6 to a 3.5.x version if 
they have to reinstall ALL of their extensions, along with dealing 
with the custom install process to not have every single language 
dictionary possible during install automatically installed?



On 06/03/2012 05:04 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different 
machines?  Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not 
possible to copy&paste the Extensions folder from the old folder 
position to the new one?  Something like the equivalent of


cp
/Users//Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user
/Users//Library/Application Support/config/LibreOffice/3/user


Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i 
don't know the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the 
click&drag gui way tbh.  Can you do soemthing like this on Macs?  Do 
you have old back-ups of your user profile at a point when it was 
working well? Regards from

Tom :)

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From: Alexander Thurgood
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed 
all my extensions

To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 9:47

Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Hi,


I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the 
status

wording looked like it was going to.

So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
to 3.4.x upgrading as well?


I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.


Alex







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress: Default color for text is white

2012-06-03 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Agus,

Agustin Lobo schrieb:

When I insert a text box, the default color for text is white, which
is quite inconvenient.
How can i change this default? Could not find it in options.
Using LibreOffice LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)
Ubuntu 11:10


Normally the default color is "automatic". Right click the object and 
click on the item "Edit style". In that style dialog look at the dialog 
page "Font Effects". What entry is in "Font color"?


Do you use a template for that presentation? What text do you see in the 
field left from the zoom slider in the status bar?


Do you see the white text in a presentation object like title, subtitle, 
outline too or do you see the white text only in the text box?


Do you have set a background color?

It is much easier to help you, when you provide the file for download.

Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

On 06/03/2012 03:30 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
> On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
>> different interface.
>
> No so, Jay.
>
> I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for
> Office 2010.  But I found these on the web:
>
> To hide the ribbon in 2007 and 2010:
> http://techie-buzz.com/how-to/minimize-hide-ribbons-in-office-2010-office-2007.html
>
> You might also find this useful, putting Office 2003 menus back into
> 2010:
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19323/bring-office-2003-menus-back-to-2010-with-ubitmenu/
>I don't know if it would work with 2007.
>
> I've not tried either solution.
>
Interesting, I think many would like it to be a relatively easy switch
to do and it is easily available in MSO 2007/2010. Both links indicate
that one must install ubitmenu to do this, it is not something that is
provided by MS.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Am 03.06.2012 22:18, Jay Lozier wrote:

My idea is to show that whatever MS does with file formats that you are
not required to use MSO at all.


And this is falsified each and every day as you can read on this list, 
in the press, anywhere on the internet.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

On 06/03/2012 03:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:
>
>> At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
>>> I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension
>>> from .doc to .docx?
>>
>> Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>
> sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics'
> of submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so
> why not just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but
> avoid getting one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was the
> point of the question. would Word get confused by the extension change?
>
> F.
>
>
My idea is to show that whatever MS does with file formats that you are
not required to use MSO at all. I deal with many users whose technical
literacy is nil and think that to open or generate a MSOX format file
you must have MSO 2007/2010. It is guerrilla marketing because
eventually it comes out that I am not using MSO at all but can handle
their file formats without difficulty. One of my goals is to say to
someone I know it can be done because I do it regularly when I recommend
LO to someone and it is not some marketing claim that needs to be verified.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug on change foreground color on Calc (LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac)


Am 03.06.2012 11:32, Januar V. Simarmata (G!) wrote:

Hi,

I'm using LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac, specifically trying it on Calc. I'm trying
to change foreground color and it doesn't show as expected.

With same version, It works fine on Windows.

I'm not sure if it's already known, and also haven't have time to check the
Bugzilla.

Thanks,
Januar VS



Foreground color means the same as font color?
menu:View>Highlight Values = OFF
When it is on, all numbers are blue, text black, formulas green.


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[libreoffice-users] Impress: Default color for text is white

2012-06-03 Thread Agustin Lobo

When I insert a text box, the default color for text is white, which
is quite inconvenient.
How can i change this default? Could not find it in options.
Using LibreOffice LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)
Ubuntu 11:10

Thanks

Agus

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Am 03.06.2012 20:14, Felmon Davis wrote:


I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from
.doc to .docx?

F.




Brilliant idea! This way you get much better results while the WinWord 
user will not notice any difference at all.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.5 and Win 7 UAC


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


I do need to start getting more organised about it tho. 


you've said this several times in the last couple of messages. perhaps 
you need to get organized enough to organize yourself?


I'm like that too! don't know where/how to start.


F.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Ken Springer


On 6/2/12 5:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

Unfortunately for MSO users its use the ribbon only, no option to use a
different interface.


No so, Jay.

I'm no longer a Windows or MSO user, although I have them except for 
Office 2010.  But I found these on the web:


To hide the ribbon in 2007 and 2010: 
http://techie-buzz.com/how-to/minimize-hide-ribbons-in-office-2010-office-2007.html


You might also find this useful, putting Office 2003 menus back into 
2010: 
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19323/bring-office-2003-menus-back-to-2010-with-ubitmenu/ 
   I don't know if it would work with 2007.


I've not tried either solution.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

2012-06-03 Thread Jonathon Waterman



webmaster-Kracked_P_P  wrote:

>
>What I hated was the status text seemed to tell me that the profile [all 
>of it] was being transfered over.  I thought that part of your profile 
>was the extensions you added.  I know if I delete the .libreoffice file 
>in Ubuntu you loose the link to your added extensions.   DID 3.5.x 
>replace the folder name or change where the information is stored?
>
>On 06/03/2012 11:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Ouch!  I'm glad we have managed to avoid saying it sucks!  (oops)
>>
>> I was really hoping the sensible way would work.  Ideally i had imagined 
>> copying the old user-profile all around the place and then installing the 
>> newer LO so that 'a few' (hopefully not too many) settings might get changed 
>> or added.  I'm sure it has worked for me but i haven't been taking much 
>> notice tbh. 
>>
>> Mostly i just reconfigure whichever machine i happen to be hot-desking on 
>> but not in a structured and planned way.  I've noticed users who complain 
>> about a thing not being set a certain way tend to set it back after i take 
>> the trouble to set it up the way they said they wanted.  So, i tend to set 
>> things the way i prefer on my logins and leave them to it.  I need to be 
>> more organised though.  The xcu thing looks interesting. 
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/6/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:
>>
>> From: Andreas Säger
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
>> extensions
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 16:26
>>
>> Am 03.06.2012 11:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
>>> Le 03/06/12 11:03, Tom Davies a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
 Hi :)
 I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different 
 machines?  Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible 
 to copy&paste the Extensions folder from the old folder position to the 
 new one?  Something like the equivalent of
>>> In theory, yes. In practice, YMMV. I always now systematically rename my
>>> LO user profile before installing a new version, then install the new
>>> version, start it once, and then replace the user profile created with
>>> my previously backed up one. It sucks that one should have to do this in
>>> order to preseve one's settings. I know of no other app where this is
>>> the case.
>>>
>> IMHO, this is completely inacceptable because this program's productivity 
>> depends very much on customization.
>> You can zip your profile and send it to the developers with detailed info 
>> about your system and which upgrade was spoiled by that particular profile.
>> According to exprerience with parallel installations, extensions are the 
>> main culprit. You may try to remove all your additional extensions before 
>> installation and see if this helps somehow.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Brian Barker wrote:


At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from .doc 
to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.

Brian Barker


sorry I cut the thread but the OP was concerned about the 'politics' 
of submitting '.doc' files to people obsessed with '.docx' files so 
why not just change the extension and meet the 'political' issue but 
avoid getting one's hands dirty with '.docx' formatting? that was the 
point of the question. would Word get confused by the extension 
change?


F.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Brian Barker


At 18:14 03/06/2012 +, Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension 
from .doc to .docx?


Roughly the same as if you call your cat Rover.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread James Knott


Felmon Davis wrote:
I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from 
.doc to .docx?


You divide by zero and a black hole appears.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Jay Lozier wrote:


My choice of MS formats is done for*political* reasons not technical.
Some people I interact with need to feel comfortable that I can read a
MSOX format file and the best way to convey this is to send them MSOX
format files. Thus they do not need to worry if I can open a file they
send me and most do not know that the file was created on a Linux box
using LO unless I tell them.


I am curious: what happens if one just changes the file extension from 
.doc to .docx?


F.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions



What I hated was the status text seemed to tell me that the profile [all 
of it] was being transfered over.  I thought that part of your profile 
was the extensions you added.  I know if I delete the .libreoffice file 
in Ubuntu you loose the link to your added extensions.   DID 3.5.x 
replace the folder name or change where the information is stored?


On 06/03/2012 11:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ouch!  I'm glad we have managed to avoid saying it sucks!  (oops)

I was really hoping the sensible way would work.  Ideally i had imagined copying the old user-profile all around the place and then installing the newer LO so that 'a few' (hopefully not too many) settings might get changed or added.  I'm sure it has worked for me but i haven't been taking much notice tbh. 

Mostly i just reconfigure whichever machine i happen to be hot-desking on but not in a structured and planned way.  I've noticed users who complain about a thing not being set a certain way tend to set it back after i take the trouble to set it up the way they said they wanted.  So, i tend to set things the way i prefer on my logins and leave them to it.  I need to be more organised though.  The xcu thing looks interesting. 


Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 16:26

Am 03.06.2012 11:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 03/06/12 11:03, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi Tom,


Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  Even 
between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste the 
Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something like the 
equivalent of

In theory, yes. In practice, YMMV. I always now systematically rename my
LO user profile before installing a new version, then install the new
version, start it once, and then replace the user profile created with
my previously backed up one. It sucks that one should have to do this in
order to preseve one's settings. I know of no other app where this is
the case.


IMHO, this is completely inacceptable because this program's productivity 
depends very much on customization.
You can zip your profile and send it to the developers with detailed info about 
your system and which upgrade was spoiled by that particular profile.
According to exprerience with parallel installations, extensions are the main 
culprit. You may try to remove all your additional extensions before 
installation and see if this helps somehow.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen at font selection drop list



Well Tom,
I do my best to create a new thread, and not reply to an older thread, 
when I ask my question.


I know I created a new thread with my question, so I still think the two 
threads had very similar titles and either my memory is confused or 
someone else's, SINCE the titles are so close.


Still
There are some issues with font drop-down menus in one way to get to its 
display, do not show the other way the drop-down menu is gotten to.


For me it did not show all the fonts after 50 or so listings.  For the 
other user it seems that certain font types are not showing up for some 
their fonts.  STILL they are both the same concern of our fonts are not 
ALL showing up.


We both have concerns, one seemed fixed and one seems to still be an 
issue with my testing for 3.5.4.


On 06/03/2012 11:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Probably one of you guys did a "Reply to" and then re-wrote the subject-line to ask a new question.  Either that or someone is doing too much typing and possibly ill or hazy and getting confused about which thread they were writing too when they wrote that first line.  Since Tim is quite prolific here my money would be on him.  If it's the subject-line issue then i would be betting on Alon. 



It is much nicer if people can start a new thread for a new question by
writing their own fresh email and copy&pasting the address of the
Users List into the "To" field instead of accidentally hijacking a
thread. 

Confusion and newness happens [shrugs] no big deal.  Hopefully all of us are new at something and learning new tricks.  :)  So, don't worry either way around. 


Regards from
Tom :)




--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Alon Bar-Lev  wrote:

From: Alon Bar-Lev
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen 
at font selection drop list
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 15:38

I am confused.
I am the original poster... and the one who made the spelling thank
you for draw my attention to this, sorry about that.
As far as I am concerned with fixed Gentoo ebuild that installs the
*.afm the type1 culmus fonts are shown in the drop down and working.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
  wrote:

As the original poster, including the misspelled title, the problem was not
the drop down menu on the toolbar, but the menu with highlighting and
right-clicking to choose the font for that section.  That is where only the
first 50, 75, or whatever, fonts show up and the rest are not shown at all.

So for the original posting, it is not solved.  For the Type-1 fonts issue
you seemed to have it may have been solved, but not of the original
question/issue.




On 06/03/2012 12:51 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Solved, thanks to NoOp hint, figured out that *.afm are missing at Gentoo.
Font is working, although no preview in drop down as in the font I
converted to TTF.
But this is great!

Thanks to all.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Alon Bar-Lev
  wrote:

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM, NoOpwrote:

On 05/31/2012 05:19 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Hello,

I opened an old document of mine which used the culmus fonts[1], more
precisely the "Frank Ruehl CLM" font. So I guess it used to work back
then in openoffice.

Although the font is installed on the system, the document is not
presented using that font, and the font not listed at the font
drop-list.

I then discovered that a lot of fonts are absent from the selection.

Is there any way to use these fonts within a document? It is very
important as these font for example are complete Hebrew fonts, most
other fonts out there supports only the basics.

Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.

[1] http://culmus.sourceforge.net/


Perhaps I'm missing the picture, but when I install culmus fonts (from
my distro Ubuntu - culmus and culmus-fancy) I get:

$ ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/culmus
DavidCLM-BoldItalic.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Bold.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-Bold.ttf
DavidCLM-MediumItalic.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-BookOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Medium.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-Book.ttf
HadasimCLM-BoldOblique.ttf SimpleCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Bold.ttfSimpleCLM-Bold.ttf
HadasimCLM-RegularOblique.ttf  SimpleCLM-MediumOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Regular.ttf SimpleCLM-Medium.ttf
MiriamCLM-Bold.ttf StamAshkenazCLM.ttf
MiriamCLM-Book.ttf StamSefaradCLM.ttf

And

$ locate FrankRueh
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.pfa

Those fonts show up just fine for me in LO
LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b80
And AOO 3.4.0.

Thanks!

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen at font selection drop list



So Am I.
I created the same "posting" when I found out that if you highlight the 
text and right-click and go to the font options, you get a limited font 
listing.


MAYBE the two posting have nearly the same title.

On 06/03/2012 10:38 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

I am confused.
I am the original poster... and the one who made the spelling thank
you for draw my attention to this, sorry about that.
As far as I am concerned with fixed Gentoo ebuild that installs the
*.afm the type1 culmus fonts are shown in the drop down and working.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
  wrote:

As the original poster, including the misspelled title, the problem was not
the drop down menu on the toolbar, but the menu with highlighting and
right-clicking to choose the font for that section.  That is where only the
first 50, 75, or whatever, fonts show up and the rest are not shown at all.

So for the original posting, it is not solved.  For the Type-1 fonts issue
you seemed to have it may have been solved, but not of the original
question/issue.




On 06/03/2012 12:51 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Solved, thanks to NoOp hint, figured out that *.afm are missing at Gentoo.
Font is working, although no preview in drop down as in the font I
converted to TTF.
But this is great!

Thanks to all.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Alon Bar-Lev
  wrote:

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM, NoOpwrote:

On 05/31/2012 05:19 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Hello,

I opened an old document of mine which used the culmus fonts[1], more
precisely the "Frank Ruehl CLM" font. So I guess it used to work back
then in openoffice.

Although the font is installed on the system, the document is not
presented using that font, and the font not listed at the font
drop-list.

I then discovered that a lot of fonts are absent from the selection.

Is there any way to use these fonts within a document? It is very
important as these font for example are complete Hebrew fonts, most
other fonts out there supports only the basics.

Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.

[1] http://culmus.sourceforge.net/


Perhaps I'm missing the picture, but when I install culmus fonts (from
my distro Ubuntu - culmus and culmus-fancy) I get:

$ ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/culmus
DavidCLM-BoldItalic.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Bold.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-Bold.ttf
DavidCLM-MediumItalic.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-BookOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Medium.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-Book.ttf
HadasimCLM-BoldOblique.ttf SimpleCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Bold.ttfSimpleCLM-Bold.ttf
HadasimCLM-RegularOblique.ttf  SimpleCLM-MediumOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Regular.ttf SimpleCLM-Medium.ttf
MiriamCLM-Bold.ttf StamAshkenazCLM.ttf
MiriamCLM-Book.ttf StamSefaradCLM.ttf

And

$ locate FrankRueh
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.pfa

Those fonts show up just fine for me in LO
LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b80
And AOO 3.4.0.

Thanks!
Are you sue you see the Frank Ruehl font at the font drop down?

Alon



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Master Document numbering irregularities

2012-06-03 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 06/03/2012 07:32 AM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:

LO 3.5.4.2 on Win7

In a Master Document of some 300 pages -- a book of some 15 chapters -- I
am seeing repeated jumps in page numbering in the middle of some chapters,
and by the end it adds up to a discrepancy of 10 pages, for utterly and
completely unclear reasons. E.g. the page numbering will jump from page 234
to 236, skipping page 235 in the middle of a chapter, and in all this
happens 10 times.

I don't know what causes it, so I have not found any way of dealing with
it. Except that apparently, in the course of making revisions, and running
a lot of update cycles, the problem gradually disappeared.

Is it possible that this is related to a left / right page issue with 
respect to a page style?


Also, when I see such things, I usually tell the document to perform an 
"update all".


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Hi :)
Ouch!  I'm glad we have managed to avoid saying it sucks!  (oops)

I was really hoping the sensible way would work.  Ideally i had imagined 
copying the old user-profile all around the place and then installing the newer 
LO so that 'a few' (hopefully not too many) settings might get changed or 
added.  I'm sure it has worked for me but i haven't been taking much notice 
tbh.  

Mostly i just reconfigure whichever machine i happen to be hot-desking on but 
not in a structured and planned way.  I've noticed users who complain about a 
thing not being set a certain way tend to set it back after i take the trouble 
to set it up the way they said they wanted.  So, i tend to set things the way i 
prefer on my logins and leave them to it.  I need to be more organised though.  
The xcu thing looks interesting.  

Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Andreas Säger  wrote:

From: Andreas Säger 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 16:26

Am 03.06.2012 11:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
> Le 03/06/12 11:03, Tom Davies a écrit :
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
>> Hi :)
>> I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  
>> Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste 
>> the Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  
>> Something like the equivalent of
> 
> In theory, yes. In practice, YMMV. I always now systematically rename my
> LO user profile before installing a new version, then install the new
> version, start it once, and then replace the user profile created with
> my previously backed up one. It sucks that one should have to do this in
> order to preseve one's settings. I know of no other app where this is
> the case.
> 

IMHO, this is completely inacceptable because this program's productivity 
depends very much on customization.
You can zip your profile and send it to the developers with detailed info about 
your system and which upgrade was spoiled by that particular profile.
According to exprerience with parallel installations, extensions are the main 
culprit. You may try to remove all your additional extensions before 
installation and see if this helps somehow.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

On 06/03/2012 05:29 AM, Miros?aw Zalewski wrote:
> On 03/06/2012 at 01:58, Jay Lozier  wrote:
>
>> The real problem is that ODF 1.2 is not supported by MS and I am not
>> sure if MSO XP supports any ODF formats.
> But Andreas is not talking about DOC vs ODF. He is talking about DOC vs DOCX. 
> I agree with him - DOC was around earlier, it has pretty good (but not 
> perfect) support in LibreOffice. MS Office 2007 and 2010 are capable of 
> reading 
> and writing old binary DOC format.
>
> When interoperability with MS Office users is concerned, then DOC is the best 
> option you can choose.
My choice of MS formats is done for*political* reasons not technical.
Some people I interact with need to feel comfortable that I can read a
MSOX format file and the best way to convey this is to send them MSOX
format files. Thus they do not need to worry if I can open a file they
send me and most do not know that the file was created on a Linux box
using LO unless I tell them. I assume many of the other users are not
technically skilled enough to use Save As and will only use the default
format of their version of MSO. If I have no idea what a person uses
other than a version Windows I use the older formats as a precaution. My
guerrilla campaign is not use Windows and thus MSO at all and to use
Linux/LO and show others over time that they do not need to depend on MS
for many if not all of their computing needs.

Note I do not use any MSO/MSOX formats for document creation or editing,
I always use ODF formats and do a final Save As to convert the format.

A side note many Windows users are surprised when I tell them I can not
use IE on Linux, they assume everyone can use IE. Needless to say, these
users are probably completely unaware there are other office suites
available (FOSS or commercial).

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[libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions


Am 03.06.2012 11:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 03/06/12 11:03, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi Tom,


Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  Even 
between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste the 
Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something like the 
equivalent of


In theory, yes. In practice, YMMV. I always now systematically rename my
LO user profile before installing a new version, then install the new
version, start it once, and then replace the user profile created with
my previously backed up one. It sucks that one should have to do this in
order to preseve one's settings. I know of no other app where this is
the case.



IMHO, this is completely inacceptable because this program's 
productivity depends very much on customization.
You can zip your profile and send it to the developers with detailed 
info about your system and which upgrade was spoiled by that particular 
profile.
According to exprerience with parallel installations, extensions are the 
main culprit. You may try to remove all your additional extensions 
before installation and see if this helps somehow.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen at font selection drop list

Hi :)
Probably one of you guys did a "Reply to" and then re-wrote the subject-line to 
ask a new question.  Either that or someone is doing too much typing and 
possibly ill or hazy and getting confused about which thread they were writing 
too when they wrote that first line.  Since Tim is quite prolific here my money 
would be on him.  If it's the subject-line issue then i would be betting on 
Alon.  


It is much nicer if people can start a new thread for a new question by
writing their own fresh email and copy&pasting the address of the
Users List into the "To" field instead of accidentally hijacking a
thread.  

Confusion and newness happens [shrugs] no big deal.  Hopefully all of us are 
new at something and learning new tricks.  :)  So, don't worry either way 
around.  

Regards from
Tom :)




--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Alon Bar-Lev  wrote:

From: Alon Bar-Lev 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen 
at font selection drop list
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 15:38

I am confused.
I am the original poster... and the one who made the spelling thank
you for draw my attention to this, sorry about that.
As far as I am concerned with fixed Gentoo ebuild that installs the
*.afm the type1 culmus fonts are shown in the drop down and working.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
 wrote:
>
> As the original poster, including the misspelled title, the problem was not
> the drop down menu on the toolbar, but the menu with highlighting and
> right-clicking to choose the font for that section.  That is where only the
> first 50, 75, or whatever, fonts show up and the rest are not shown at all.
>
> So for the original posting, it is not solved.  For the Type-1 fonts issue
> you seemed to have it may have been solved, but not of the original
> question/issue.
>
>
>
>
> On 06/03/2012 12:51 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>>
>> Solved, thanks to NoOp hint, figured out that *.afm are missing at Gentoo.
>> Font is working, although no preview in drop down as in the font I
>> converted to TTF.
>> But this is great!
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Alon Bar-Lev
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM, NoOp  wrote:

 On 05/31/2012 05:19 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I opened an old document of mine which used the culmus fonts[1], more
> precisely the "Frank Ruehl CLM" font. So I guess it used to work back
> then in openoffice.
>
> Although the font is installed on the system, the document is not
> presented using that font, and the font not listed at the font
> drop-list.
>
> I then discovered that a lot of fonts are absent from the selection.
>
> Is there any way to use these fonts within a document? It is very
> important as these font for example are complete Hebrew fonts, most
> other fonts out there supports only the basics.
>
> Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev.
>
> [1] http://culmus.sourceforge.net/
>
 Perhaps I'm missing the picture, but when I install culmus fonts (from
 my distro Ubuntu - culmus and culmus-fancy) I get:

 $ ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/culmus
 DavidCLM-BoldItalic.ttf        MiriamMonoCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
 DavidCLM-Bold.ttf              MiriamMonoCLM-Bold.ttf
 DavidCLM-MediumItalic.ttf      MiriamMonoCLM-BookOblique.ttf
 DavidCLM-Medium.ttf            MiriamMonoCLM-Book.ttf
 HadasimCLM-BoldOblique.ttf     SimpleCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
 HadasimCLM-Bold.ttf            SimpleCLM-Bold.ttf
 HadasimCLM-RegularOblique.ttf  SimpleCLM-MediumOblique.ttf
 HadasimCLM-Regular.ttf         SimpleCLM-Medium.ttf
 MiriamCLM-Bold.ttf             StamAshkenazCLM.ttf
 MiriamCLM-Book.ttf             StamSefaradCLM.ttf

 And

 $ locate FrankRueh
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.pfa

 Those fonts show up just fine for me in LO
 LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
 Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b80
 And AOO 3.4.0.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Are you sue you see the Frank Ruehl font at the font drop down?
>>>
>>> Alon
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Hi :)
The 3.5.x branch definitely does use a different folder for the users 
settings.  For soem reason i got confused and gave the old and the new paths 
for Macs but the Windows pathname change is similar.  For pre-Vista versions of 
Windows it used to be

C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\LibreOffice\3\user\

But with the 3.5.x has changed to

C:\Documents and Settings\\Application 
Data\config\LibreOffice\3\user\

If the upgrade process is claiming that it copies the folders and then doesn't 
that is really bad.  If it still deletes the old folder than it's appalling!  
Losing data is one of the worst things that can happen in any system!  Time for 
you to post a bug-report if you can!
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

I still haven't tested the upgrade feature.  I uninstall the old one and then 
'reinstall' the new and then remember i was meant to take a copy of the first 
UserProfile folder and cuss and then do the least amount possible to set-up the 
profile but inevitably forget 1 or a few users and cuss again.  Luckily it's 
only about a dozen machines now but i really need to be more organised so i can 
scale-up or at least do it more reliably and faster.    
Regards from
Tom :)  

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From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 15:12

Tom
as the OP of this thread, my real issue was while it was "upgrading" the status 
text indicated to me that is was going to transfer my user profile info and 
such.  It did not do the proper job if it decided to transfer only the user 
name and other such data, and not all of the extensions he/she relies on.

I think someone said that the 3.5.x branch uses a different folder/path for the 
user data.  If so, maybe there is an error in the copying of that info to the 
new folder before that old folder was erased.

I have not tried this 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 on a Ubuntu system, only a WinXP laptop.  
There must be a fix to this issue.

Can you imagine what a business type of user has to go through to move 10, 50, 
100 machines, using Windows, from 3.4.6 to a 3.5.x version if they have to 
reinstall ALL of their extensions, along with dealing with the custom install 
process to not have every single language dictionary possible during install 
automatically installed?

On 06/03/2012 05:04 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  
> Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste 
> the Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something 
> like the equivalent of
> 
> cp
> /Users//Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user
> /Users//Library/Application Support/config/LibreOffice/3/user
> 
> 
> Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i don't know 
> the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the click&drag gui way tbh.  
> Can you do soemthing like this on Macs?  Do you have old back-ups of your 
> user profile at a point when it was working well? Regards from
> Tom :) 
> 
> --- On Sun, 3/6/12, Alexander Thurgood  wrote:
> 
> From: Alexander Thurgood
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
> extensions
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 9:47
> 
> Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
>> carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the status
>> wording looked like it was going to.
>> 
>> So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
>> to 3.4.x upgrading as well?
>> 
> I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
> time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
> extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen at font selection drop list

2012-06-03 Thread Alon Bar-Lev

I am confused.
I am the original poster... and the one who made the spelling thank
you for draw my attention to this, sorry about that.
As far as I am concerned with fixed Gentoo ebuild that installs the
*.afm the type1 culmus fonts are shown in the drop down and working.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
 wrote:
>
> As the original poster, including the misspelled title, the problem was not
> the drop down menu on the toolbar, but the menu with highlighting and
> right-clicking to choose the font for that section.  That is where only the
> first 50, 75, or whatever, fonts show up and the rest are not shown at all.
>
> So for the original posting, it is not solved.  For the Type-1 fonts issue
> you seemed to have it may have been solved, but not of the original
> question/issue.
>
>
>
>
> On 06/03/2012 12:51 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>>
>> Solved, thanks to NoOp hint, figured out that *.afm are missing at Gentoo.
>> Font is working, although no preview in drop down as in the font I
>> converted to TTF.
>> But this is great!
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Alon Bar-Lev
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM, NoOp  wrote:

 On 05/31/2012 05:19 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I opened an old document of mine which used the culmus fonts[1], more
> precisely the "Frank Ruehl CLM" font. So I guess it used to work back
> then in openoffice.
>
> Although the font is installed on the system, the document is not
> presented using that font, and the font not listed at the font
> drop-list.
>
> I then discovered that a lot of fonts are absent from the selection.
>
> Is there any way to use these fonts within a document? It is very
> important as these font for example are complete Hebrew fonts, most
> other fonts out there supports only the basics.
>
> Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev.
>
> [1] http://culmus.sourceforge.net/
>
 Perhaps I'm missing the picture, but when I install culmus fonts (from
 my distro Ubuntu - culmus and culmus-fancy) I get:

 $ ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/culmus
 DavidCLM-BoldItalic.ttf        MiriamMonoCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
 DavidCLM-Bold.ttf              MiriamMonoCLM-Bold.ttf
 DavidCLM-MediumItalic.ttf      MiriamMonoCLM-BookOblique.ttf
 DavidCLM-Medium.ttf            MiriamMonoCLM-Book.ttf
 HadasimCLM-BoldOblique.ttf     SimpleCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
 HadasimCLM-Bold.ttf            SimpleCLM-Bold.ttf
 HadasimCLM-RegularOblique.ttf  SimpleCLM-MediumOblique.ttf
 HadasimCLM-Regular.ttf         SimpleCLM-Medium.ttf
 MiriamCLM-Bold.ttf             StamAshkenazCLM.ttf
 MiriamCLM-Book.ttf             StamSefaradCLM.ttf

 And

 $ locate FrankRueh
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.pfa
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.afm
 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.pfa

 Those fonts show up just fine for me in LO
 LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
 Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b80
 And AOO 3.4.0.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Are you sue you see the Frank Ruehl font at the font drop down?
>>>
>>> Alon
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


On 06/03/2012 05:40 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P"
wrote:


The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business
users.  During the 3.3.x and 3.4.x line crossover, you keep getting told
that this version is ready and that version is not.

I think you are trying to find some universal criteria of "business-readiness",
which simply does not exist.

Let's say that LO 3.6.0 has some serious bug in one of Calc's economical
functions. Does it make it not ready for business users? It depends. If you
are copywriter, who runs Calc few times in a month just to sum some numbers,
then you can freely start using 3.6.0. If your job involves stock market, then
perhaps you will prefer to stay with earlier version and wait for 3.6.x with
bug fixed to come out.

For academic writers, virtually none of OOo/LO is ready for business user due
to poor bibliography management implementation (although you can use some
other bibliographic management software, e.g. Zotero or Mendeley, with
success).

There is no simple answer for that question. Perhaps most conservative users
should stick with 3.x.6 releases - as latest in each line, they have lowest
number of bugs.

If you have time, you can check what bugs are know and what are fixed for each
release. When there are no bugs known in procedures you are using, then
perhaps you can mark that version as "ready for business users".


Right now, the web site makes you do a lot of clicking on new links to 
get to a different version of LO than the one that automatically given 
to you, which is the most cutting edge.  In a few months when 3.6.0 
comes out, I bet we will get that one as the "recommended" version over 
the 3.5.5 version.


Yes, each personal and business user will have to make their own choices 
on which version to use.  What we must do is make it easier to choose 
and give them an easy way to make that choice.  The feature page for the 
3.4.x line does not have a bug report link, while 3.5.x does.


Can there ever be a list of features and a side by side "check-mark"  
stating if 3.4.6 and/or 3.5.x can do that listed feature/option?  That 
would help the business user, and others, choose which version to try/use.


I do not have the Print to Tray "x" issue, since my non-default trays 
are all manual feeding trays [except my new printer that can have 10+ 
sheets in the manual feeding tray].  There are other issues that look 
bad for some of my business users, that I have given DVDs to, but I do 
not know enough of all the features they would use LO for to decide for 
myself if the current like is ready for them.  Most of my users would 
not know that you never use a x.x.0 version for their use in business 
and personal work that cannot have downtime for "new line" bugs.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions



Tom
as the OP of this thread, my real issue was while it was "upgrading" the 
status text indicated to me that is was going to transfer my user 
profile info and such.  It did not do the proper job if it decided to 
transfer only the user name and other such data, and not all of the 
extensions he/she relies on.


I thin someone said that the 3.5.x like uses a different folder for the 
user data.  If so, maybe there is an error in the copying of that info 
to the new folder before that old folder was erased.


I have not tried this 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 on a Ubuntu system, only a WinXP 
laptop.  There must be a fix to this issue.


Can you imagine what a business type of user has to go through to move 
10, 50, 100 machines, using Windows, from 3.4.6 to a 3.5.x version if 
they have to reinstall ALL of their extensions, along with dealing with 
the custom install process to not have every single language dictionary 
possible during install automatically installed?



On 06/03/2012 05:04 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  Even 
between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste the 
Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something like the 
equivalent of

cp
/Users//Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user
/Users//Library/Application Support/config/LibreOffice/3/user


Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i don't know the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the click&drag gui way tbh.  Can you do soemthing like this on Macs?  Do you have old back-ups of your user profile at a point when it was working well? 
Regards from
Tom :) 



--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Alexander Thurgood  wrote:

From: Alexander Thurgood
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 9:47

Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Hi,


I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the status
wording looked like it was going to.

So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
to 3.4.x upgrading as well?


I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.


Alex





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fonts: Not all installed fonts are listen at font selection drop list



As the original poster, including the misspelled title, the problem was 
not the drop down menu on the toolbar, but the menu with highlighting 
and right-clicking to choose the font for that section.  That is where 
only the first 50, 75, or whatever, fonts show up and the rest are not 
shown at all.


So for the original posting, it is not solved.  For the Type-1 fonts 
issue you seemed to have it may have been solved, but not of the 
original question/issue.




On 06/03/2012 12:51 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Solved, thanks to NoOp hint, figured out that *.afm are missing at Gentoo.
Font is working, although no preview in drop down as in the font I
converted to TTF.
But this is great!

Thanks to all.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Alon Bar-Lev  wrote:

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM, NoOp  wrote:

On 05/31/2012 05:19 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:

Hello,

I opened an old document of mine which used the culmus fonts[1], more
precisely the "Frank Ruehl CLM" font. So I guess it used to work back
then in openoffice.

Although the font is installed on the system, the document is not
presented using that font, and the font not listed at the font
drop-list.

I then discovered that a lot of fonts are absent from the selection.

Is there any way to use these fonts within a document? It is very
important as these font for example are complete Hebrew fonts, most
other fonts out there supports only the basics.

Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.

[1] http://culmus.sourceforge.net/


Perhaps I'm missing the picture, but when I install culmus fonts (from
my distro Ubuntu - culmus and culmus-fancy) I get:

$ ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/culmus
DavidCLM-BoldItalic.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Bold.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-Bold.ttf
DavidCLM-MediumItalic.ttf  MiriamMonoCLM-BookOblique.ttf
DavidCLM-Medium.ttfMiriamMonoCLM-Book.ttf
HadasimCLM-BoldOblique.ttf SimpleCLM-BoldOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Bold.ttfSimpleCLM-Bold.ttf
HadasimCLM-RegularOblique.ttf  SimpleCLM-MediumOblique.ttf
HadasimCLM-Regular.ttf SimpleCLM-Medium.ttf
MiriamCLM-Bold.ttf StamAshkenazCLM.ttf
MiriamCLM-Book.ttf StamSefaradCLM.ttf

And

$ locate FrankRueh
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Bold.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-BoldOblique.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-Medium.pfa
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.afm
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/FrankRuehlCLM-MediumOblique.pfa

Those fonts show up just fine for me in LO
LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b80
And AOO 3.4.0.

Thanks!
Are you sue you see the Frank Ruehl font at the font drop down?

Alon



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Hi :)
I pushed this question to the marketing list (again) and got this standard 
official TDF line

"3.5.x is stable, although there are some regressions which impact on
some users. Of course, this is not implying that 3.5.x is perfect, and
we will never have a perfect software as bugs and regressions are part
of the process especially when you are developing new features on a 20
years old code base.

Unfortunately, as it is the case for proprietary software as well, the
only way to check if bugs and regressions impact your usage patterns is
to install the software and start using it."

Note that almost everyone is agreeing that newer releases may have 
regressions.  Also almost everyone except the official TDF line agrees that for 
greater stability you may want to go back to a previous branch that has 
ironed-out it's problems.  

So, there are 2 contradictory cases that people may be happy accepting one or 
the other but are hopefully realistic enough to know that both are not possible 
at the same time (as everyone agrees)

1.  Stable and reliable but probably lacking some of the latest fancy new 
features (not necessarily "old", just focussing more on fixing things rather 
than adding new stuff)  

2.  New features, better support for more alien formats, enhanced Draw or 
Impress features, UI changes such as newer icon sets, better wording in pop-ups 
and menus.  Not all at once, maybe, although it often does seem that way.  
Possibly not 100% stable all the time and maybe some regressions

Obviously some people do want both at the same time and some people want to 
deliver both at the same time or wish that we did but it's just not possible.  

The problem and the reason this thread started was because; marketing, the devs 
and the websites team decided to try to pretend that the 2nd one was really the 
1st when it clearly wasn't!  Just wishful thinking rather than a deliberate lie 
- i think.  

Now we don't know who to trust but we know for certain that we can't trust 
marketing, the devs or the websites team about this issue because they just 
give us wishful thinking instead of objective reality and because they are 
embarrassed about it they can't admit their earlier mistake.  

The mistake was trying to simplify the downloads page.  Noobs can't handle it 
there is more than just 1 simple big green button.  Adobe, Firefox and many 
other sites go through long explanations of how downloading does not 
automatically install for you and that people need to take the extra step of 
doing the install for themselves.  Most of those are screen-shots showing to 
just click "Next" but the fact that it does show the list confuses the people 
that also complain if they are not shown each and every step.  

I think we have to draw the line somewhere.  Perhaps 1 big green button for the 
stable corporate version and 1 big gold(? perhaps shimmering?) button for the 
ultra-latest version?  Hmmm, but then the internal help pages need another 
littler button, errr and then add the languages.  This is all tooo hopelessly 
complicated for most people!!  So you can see why people here wanted to 
simplify it all!!  t was a good effort that just seems to have back-fired a 
bit.  

"Never believe incompetence when stupidity explains the facts".  In this case 
trying to eliminate certain potential new people's confusion and inability to 
read and comprehend has led to "a right old muddle"!

Regards from
Tom :)  

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From: Mirosław Zalewski 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 10:40

On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P"  
wrote:

> The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business 
> users.  During the 3.3.x and 3.4.x line crossover, you keep getting told 
> that this version is ready and that version is not.

I think you are trying to find some universal criteria of "business-readiness", 
which simply does not exist.

Let's say that LO 3.6.0 has some serious bug in one of Calc's economical 
functions. Does it make it not ready for business users? It depends. If you 
are copywriter, who runs Calc few times in a month just to sum some numbers, 
then you can freely start using 3.6.0. If your job involves stock market, then 
perhaps you will prefer to stay with earlier version and wait for 3.6.x with 
bug fixed to come out.

For academic writers, virtually none of OOo/LO is ready for business user due 
to poor bibliography management implementation (although you can use some 
other bibliographic management software, e.g. Zotero or Mendeley, with 
success).

There is no simple answer for that question. Perhaps most conservative users 
should stick with 3.x.6 releases - as latest in each line, they have lowest 
number of bugs.

If you have time, you can check what bugs are know and what are fixed for each 
release. When there are no bugs known in procedur

[libreoffice-users] Master Document numbering irregularities

2012-06-03 Thread Rogier F. van Vlissingen

LO 3.5.4.2 on Win7

In a Master Document of some 300 pages -- a book of some 15 chapters -- I
am seeing repeated jumps in page numbering in the middle of some chapters,
and by the end it adds up to a discrepancy of 10 pages, for utterly and
completely unclear reasons. E.g. the page numbering will jump from page 234
to 236, skipping page 235 in the middle of a chapter, and in all this
happens 10 times.

I don't know what causes it, so I have not found any way of dealing with
it. Except that apparently, in the course of making revisions, and running
a lot of update cycles, the problem gradually disappeared.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bug on change foreground color on Calc (LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac)

2012-06-03 Thread Januar V. Simarmata (G!)

Btw, just to make sure. Have you tried the foreground color? Background
color is good for me too.


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Januar V. Simarmata (G!)  wrote:

> I'll send the screet-shoot when I have the Mac in front of me.
> Btw, I'm using Mac 10.6.8. Would it be the reason?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Tinkerer wrote:
>
>> I am using LibO 3.5.4.2 on a Mac 10.7.4 and there does not appear to be
>> any
>> problems with colour in Calc, fonts or background.
>> Can you give us an example?
>>
>> Tink.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bug on change foreground color on Calc (LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac)

2012-06-03 Thread Januar V. Simarmata (G!)

I'll send the screet-shoot when I have the Mac in front of me.
Btw, I'm using Mac 10.6.8. Would it be the reason?


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Tinkerer  wrote:

> I am using LibO 3.5.4.2 on a Mac 10.7.4 and there does not appear to be any
> problems with colour in Calc, fonts or background.
> Can you give us an example?
>
> Tink.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug on change foreground color on Calc (LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac)

2012-06-03 Thread Tinkerer

I am using LibO 3.5.4.2 on a Mac 10.7.4 and there does not appear to be any
problems with colour in Calc, fonts or background.
Can you give us an example?

Tink.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Mirosław Zalewski

On 02/06/2012 at 23:29, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P"  
wrote:

> The real big thing is how ready is this line to be used for business 
> users.  During the 3.3.x and 3.4.x line crossover, you keep getting told 
> that this version is ready and that version is not.

I think you are trying to find some universal criteria of "business-readiness", 
which simply does not exist.

Let's say that LO 3.6.0 has some serious bug in one of Calc's economical 
functions. Does it make it not ready for business users? It depends. If you 
are copywriter, who runs Calc few times in a month just to sum some numbers, 
then you can freely start using 3.6.0. If your job involves stock market, then 
perhaps you will prefer to stay with earlier version and wait for 3.6.x with 
bug fixed to come out.

For academic writers, virtually none of OOo/LO is ready for business user due 
to poor bibliography management implementation (although you can use some 
other bibliographic management software, e.g. Zotero or Mendeley, with 
success).

There is no simple answer for that question. Perhaps most conservative users 
should stick with 3.x.6 releases - as latest in each line, they have lowest 
number of bugs.

If you have time, you can check what bugs are know and what are fixed for each 
release. When there are no bugs known in procedures you are using, then 
perhaps you can mark that version as "ready for business users".
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[libreoffice-users] Bug on change foreground color on Calc (LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac)

2012-06-03 Thread Januar V. Simarmata (G!)

Hi,

I'm using LibO 3.5.4.2 on Mac, specifically trying it on Calc. I'm trying
to change foreground color and it doesn't show as expected.

With same version, It works fine on Windows.

I'm not sure if it's already known, and also haven't have time to check the
Bugzilla.

Thanks,
Januar VS

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

2012-06-03 Thread Mirosław Zalewski

On 03/06/2012 at 01:58, Jay Lozier  wrote:

> The real problem is that ODF 1.2 is not supported by MS and I am not
> sure if MSO XP supports any ODF formats.

But Andreas is not talking about DOC vs ODF. He is talking about DOC vs DOCX. 
I agree with him - DOC was around earlier, it has pretty good (but not 
perfect) support in LibreOffice. MS Office 2007 and 2010 are capable of reading 
and writing old binary DOC format.

When interoperability with MS Office users is concerned, then DOC is the best 
option you can choose.
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[libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Le 03/06/12 11:03, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi Tom,

> Hi :)
> I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  
> Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste 
> the Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something 
> like the equivalent of 

In theory, yes. In practice, YMMV. I always now systematically rename my
LO user profile before installing a new version, then install the new
version, start it once, and then replace the user profile created with
my previously backed up one. It sucks that one should have to do this in
order to preseve one's settings. I know of no other app where this is
the case.

> 
> Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i don't know 
> the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the click&drag gui way tbh.  

It is the same on Mac if one uses the Terminal.app ;-), but there's no
real need to do so in such a case, the GUI is just fine ;-)


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?


Am 02.06.2012 21:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

No.  Not ready for Government academic or business users.  What's worse,
the accessibility problems "inferior jre" with windows registry patch
merged didn't start in libreoffice at all.


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46114#c7 [Resolved, not a 
bug, configuration error due to bad screen reader manual]



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  
Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste the 
Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something like 
the equivalent of 

cp 
/Users//Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user 
/Users//Library/Application Support/config/LibreOffice/3/user


Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i don't know 
the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the click&drag gui way tbh.  
Can you do soemthing like this on Macs?  Do you have old back-ups of your user 
profile at a point when it was working well?  
Regards from
Tom :)  


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From: Alexander Thurgood 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 9:47

Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Hi,

> I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
> carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the status
> wording looked like it was going to.
> 
> So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
> to 3.4.x upgrading as well?
> 

I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Hi :)
I thought it was possible to copy user-profiles between different machines?  
Even between ones running different OSes?  Is it not possible to copy&paste the 
Extensions folder from the old folder position to the new one?  Something like 
the equivalent of 

cp 
/Users//Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user 
/Users//Library/Application Support/config/LibreOffice/3/user


Errr, i know you know cp = copy on a Gnu&Linux command-line but i don't know 
the equivalent in Mac.  I would probably do this the click&drag gui way tbh.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Alexander Thurgood  wrote:

From: Alexander Thurgood 
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my 
extensions
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 9:47

Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Hi,

> I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
> carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the status
> wording looked like it was going to.
> 
> So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
> to 3.4.x upgrading as well?
> 

I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Invalid descriptor Index 07009 when using a query parameter?

Le 01/06/12 16:31, leeand00 a écrit :

Hi,

> Is the LO-MySQL specific connector the same as the MySQL ODBC driver?  Or
> would it be something I could use in place of it?

They are different, and you can use it in place of the ODBC driver.
However, I note that you mention parameter substitution - I have not
been able to get this to work with my queries (which require direct SQL
execution, rather than parsing via LO's parser) and the native mysql
connector. Perhaps I'm just doing something wrong, but it has simply
never worked for me with the native mysql connector - I seem to recall
that it did with the ODBC driver though.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Invalid descriptor Index 07009 when using a query parameter?

Le 01/06/12 17:18, leeand00 a écrit :

Hi,

> Is there a place I can submit the bug?

I would try here :

http://bugs.mysql.com/


Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: install of 3.5.4 over 3.4.6 removed all my extensions

Le 02/06/12 16:52, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :

Hi,

> I just noticed that EVERY extension that I had installed were not
> carried over to 3.5.4, even though during the install process the status
> wording looked like it was going to.
> 
> So, it that an error for 3.4.6 to 3.5.4 or was that a part of the 3.3.x
> to 3.4.x upgrading as well?
> 

I have seen this in many of the "upgrade" installations on Mac - each
time I have to either delete my user profile or re-install the
extensions, and I'm getting fed up with it.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Le 02/06/12 23:29, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit :
> 

Hi,


> Would 3.5.4 be considered ready to give to a large local business or
> local government office?  Are there any "show stoppers" that are still
> there that needs to be fixed before you would give it to your boss in a
> business or other non-personal users?


Accessibility issues are probably the biggest hurdle to widespread
adoption in government and administration, the Java framework has been
screwed up at some point and that causes accessibility tools, most
notably screenreaders, to either no longer work, or cause the app to
crash - not a satisfactory state of affairs if your
firm/administration/unit has to provide accessible office tools as part
of its legal requirements.


The issue of instability with Apple's accessibility tools has been
ongoing since the release of LO from version 3.3, and is still not resolved.

I have been reading on the accessibility and developer lists more
recently how NVDA (Windows) has also stopped working.

Until issues like these are fixed, there will be no hope of LO being
taken up administrations/companies/institutions with a requirement to
cater for people with disabilities. It is hoped that IBM's recent
contribution to the Apache OO project of parts of the Lotus Symphony
code, most notably the accessibility framework code, will be able to be
integrated into the LO trunk code and thereby improve the situation, but
for the moment, the developers are still waiting for the dust to settle
around the code release.


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Hi :)
Smart move!  If more of us tried very early releases, preferably when still at 
alpha or beta testing stages then we could each quickly check that the 
'obvious' (but different for each of us) things we use.  For those rare flukes 
where something might not work the way you expect then posting a bug-report at 
that point would be more likely to generate action and fixes.  

Devs are likely to be most interested in solving problems for things they are 
currently working on.  After official release interest is likely to wane at 
best or just drop-away completely.  Same as you & me & any other human beings.  
Do you put most work into something that you are currently working on or 
something you ditched last year?  Why would devs be any different?  So the best 
tactic would be to catch them at the point they are most likely to be most keen 
by testing alpha and beta releases before anyone else gets their bug-reports 
in! ;) 

Of course some devs do make a huge effort to rake back over old and dead stuff 
but most of the focus is likely to be on the new and exciting.  
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
Get ahead of the game!  Unlike non-OpenSource projects you can get your things 
looked at, if you play it right (and have a little luck), even if you don't 
have any coding skill.  
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Sat, 2/6/12, John Sowden  wrote:



I am a business user.  What issues are you thinking about that might determine 
if the product is "business ready".  I usually wait for a couple of weeks to 
upgrade until all the dust settles.  I don't research the pkg.  I use the same 
features usually, so I just see how LO works differently with the features that 
I use.

John


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.5 and Win 7 UAC

Hi :)
Ahhh, that is the cunning thing about renaming instead of just deleting your 
old profile!  Either way forces LO to "reset back to factory defaults" by 
generating a whole new copy of the default settings.  

Renaming has the advantage that you can copy back some of the settings from 
your old folder into the new one until it breaks again.  Then you can just 
delete out the bit that caused the breakage and perhaps gradually pin-point 
exactly what caused the problem.  Most times i don't have time for that as it's 
faster and easier just to tweak the 1 or 2 things i happen to remember at the 
time.  I do need to start getting more organised about it tho.  

Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Sat, 2/6/12, Raimund Klein  wrote:

From: Raimund Klein 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.5 and Win 7 UAC
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 21:41

Hi Tom,

Thanks, that actually did the trick. :-) So that means my profile was corrupted 
somehow... - good thing I don't have a lot of settings which are obviously lost 
now.

Bye
Ray

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:23 +0100 (BST)
> Von: Tom Davies 
> An: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.5 and Win 7 UAC

> Hi :)
> Can you try renaming your user profile?  I don't think this will work but
> it's fairly easy to try.  
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
> It might work!  It's the OpenSource (Firefox, Gimp etc) equivalent of
> reinstalling.
> Regards from
> Tom :)  
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/6/12, Raimund Klein  wrote:
> 
> From: Raimund Klein 
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.5 and Win 7 UAC
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Saturday, 2 June, 2012, 20:50
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been enjoying LibreOffice from the start and had no problems up to
> and including the 3.4 versions on my Win7 (32) machine. But for some reason,
> the 3.5 installation only runs when started as an administrator.
> 
> When I try starting it as a regular user, the splash screen appears and
> the progress bar starts, but only gets to a point where it says "activating
> Danish dictionary" (etc.) and all out of a sudden, Windows concludes that
> "LibreOffice is not working anymore".
> 
> Does anyone have an idea why this happening? Maybe my registry is messed
> up, but what are the interesting entries? (The installation is working
> flawlessly on my Win 7 laptop...)
> 
> I tried de- and reinstalling several times, but encountered no change in
> behavior.
> 
> Regards
> Ray
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?