Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please
Hello I have just downloaded and installed – with great ease, thank you – the latest version of LibreOffice. Being new to the suite of programs, I needed help early on so I pressed F1. My browser opened and I was given the text below. I tried other methods of accessing the online help but always found the same result. Help please! Thank you peter hunt There is a problem with this website's security certificate. The security certificate presented by this website was issued for a different website's address. Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept any data you send to the server. We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this website. Click here to close this webpage. Continue to this website (not recommended). More information -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Ichitaro filter - for Japanese Suite
Hi :) Has anyone worked with the Japanese equivalent of MS? Is there a Japanese Team that might be able to help? If so please CC Spidey-Westron because i don't think he is subscribed to these mailing lists Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Spidey-Westland spidey-li...@caiway.net; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 21:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ichitaro filter On 08/17/2013 02:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote: .jtd files http://file.org/extension/jtd -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Ichitaro filter - for Japanese Suite
All my computers are running the Japanese version of Windows, 2 of 3 also MS Office (2003, I am a very old-fashioned person). There is also a Japanese user group, but I would have to look up their address. Is there maybe even I (computer illiterate) can do? Thomas (2013/08/18 17:52), Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Has anyone worked with the Japanese equivalent of MS? Is there a Japanese Team that might be able to help? If so please CC Spidey-Westron because i don't think he is subscribed to these mailing lists Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Spidey-Westland spidey-li...@caiway.net; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 21:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ichitaro filter On 08/17/2013 02:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote: .jtd files http://file.org/extension/jtd -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please
Hi :) Please just click on accept and install the certificate even those MS claim it is dodgy. It's annoying that MS still haven't accepted our certificate into their store. I take it that you use Internet Explorer as your default web-browser? Have you ever tried Firefox or any of the other choices out there? FIrefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome and pretty much any other web-browsers are far safer and faster than IE. Although we sometimes argue amongst ourselves about which is better than the others they are all FAR better than IE in my experience. Internet Explorer is made by Microsoft and they are quite keen to get people to buy their newest versions of their own Office Suite and dissuade people from using anything else. Also IE appears to have considerable trouble with all sorts of issues that most others would consider security risk and it (IE) doesn't get updates out to people quickly enough to deal with problems. Just as the Eskimos have many words for snow and ice, so MS has many words for different sorts of security issues. MS keep their own store of certificate and use their own way of authenticating certificates but that doesn't seem to help them become secure. They block ones that are safe (such as their rivals) and allegedly let through ones that aren't. However, you can keep using IE if you want to. It's also quite normal for people to have at least 2 web-browsers installed and maybe use each for different things or at different times. Also you might find it better to install the 2nd package from the downloads page, the in-built help. Once downloaded you install it. It 'needs' to be installed sometime after the initial install of the main program but that could be a year or 2 later and after extensive use of LO. There is no need to do it straight-away although most of us do them both at around the same time to avoid forgetting to do so. Since you are just starting out with LO you might find the full proper guides quite useful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications They do have an entire team working on those so they are sometimes a bit more up-to-date than the in-built help. It's good to have both but if they conflict then it's the Publications that are more accurate. There is also an Faq https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but you might find the courses at Spoken Tutorials are the best way to learn quickly and thoroughly http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos?view=1foss=LibreOffice-Suite-Writerlanguage=English Note they have a lot of different non-European languages but their English is surprisingly impeccable and friendly. So, my suggestions are; 1. install and accept the certificate or else just install the in-built help that was also on the downloads page but just accepting the certificate is the faster answer 2. Quit using IE and use something safer, faster and more reliable. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome seem to be the most popular (not necessarily in that order) 3. install the Help package that was also on the downloads page. This way you don't need to connect to the internet to reach the help package each time you click F1 4. Download the guides you need or want from the wiki. I bought the Getting Started Guide and will probably buy the Base Handbook too. 5. Use http://www.spoken-tutorial.org to learn about how to use all sorts of OpenSource tools (such as Firefox or Chrome as well as LibreOffice) Regards from Tom :) From: Peter Hunt peterhunt...@outlook.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 9:18 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please Hello I have just downloaded and installed – with great ease, thank you – the latest version of LibreOffice. Being new to the suite of programs, I needed help early on so I pressed F1. My browser opened and I was given the text below. I tried other methods of accessing the online help but always found the same result. Help please! Thank you peter hunt There is a problem with this website's security certificate. The security certificate presented by this website was issued for a different website's address. Security certificate problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept any data you send to the server. We recommend that you close this webpage and do not continue to this website. Click here to close this webpage. Continue to this website (not recommended). More information -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Ichitaro filter - for Japanese Suite
Hi ^ ^ Many thanks! :) That was really swift! I don't think we need translations on the other lists that have been cc'd in so don't worry about that. It is good to hear you have escaped from Windows and other proprietary, secretive software. No need to apologize for that! Good work! ＼（＾ ＾）／ Regards from Tom ^ ^ From: Naruhiko Ogasawara naru...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@global.libreoffice.org; l...@global.libreoffice.org l...@global.libreoffice.org; Spidey-Westland spidey-li...@caiway.net Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 10:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Ichitaro filter - for Japanese Suite Hi, I forwarded the mail to Japanese users ML (us...@ja.libreoffice.org), and hopefully someone give us good information. (The list is in Japanese so I'll try to translate :) Short comment from myself because I'm not a user of Ichitaro. I know we have Ichitaro viewer if you need to just see *.jtd. http://www.justsystems.com/jp/download/viewer/ichitaro/ (Japanese page; please use some web translation service) And Ichitaro also support ODF export but not so good I heard long time ago. Again, currently I don't use Ichitaro and Windows both, so my info might not be precise, sorry. -- Naruhiko (NARU) Ogasawara (naru...@gmail.com) 2013/8/18 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Has anyone worked with the Japanese equivalent of MS? Is there a Japanese Team that might be able to help? If so please CC Spidey-Westron because i don't think he is subscribed to these mailing lists Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Spidey-Westland spidey-li...@caiway.net; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 21:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ichitaro filter On 08/17/2013 02:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote: .jtd files http://file.org/extension/jtd -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Ichitaro filter - for Japanese Suite
Hi, I forwarded the mail to Japanese users ML (us...@ja.libreoffice.org), and hopefully someone give us good information. (The list is in Japanese so I'll try to translate :) Short comment from myself because I'm not a user of Ichitaro. I know we have Ichitaro viewer if you need to just see *.jtd. http://www.justsystems.com/jp/download/viewer/ichitaro/ (Japanese page; please use some web translation service) And Ichitaro also support ODF export but not so good I heard long time ago. Again, currently I don't use Ichitaro and Windows both, so my info might not be precise, sorry. -- Naruhiko (NARU) Ogasawara (naru...@gmail.com) 2013/8/18 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Has anyone worked with the Japanese equivalent of MS? Is there a Japanese Team that might be able to help? If so please CC Spidey-Westron because i don't think he is subscribed to these mailing lists Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Spidey-Westland spidey-li...@caiway.net; Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 21:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ichitaro filter On 08/17/2013 02:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote: .jtd files http://file.org/extension/jtd -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
Hi :) Superb! :) I really liked that answer! Sometimes i get too stuffy and serious on this list so it's good to see this sort of thing :) Also if it was genuine, then it's good to see that we can all disagree but still get on with helping people. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 12:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Felmon Davis wrote: anyway, I agree with Tom we shouldn't disagree about agreeing to disagree. I disagree. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please
Hi Tom Many thanks indeed for your comprehensive, speedy reply to my “m’aidez” (and my thanks too to Oscar for his ‘auto-reply’). I use IE and – more recently – Firefox: in light of your advice, I’ll make much more use of the latter in the future. In addition, I’ll follow your advice to download and install the 2nd package from the LO downloads page. Many thanks too for sending me details of the extensive help that is available through the full guides that you list: I’ll look at them for sure. Again my thanks Regards Peter From: Tom Davies Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:40 AM To: Peter Hunt ; users@global.libreoffice.org ; websi...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please Hi :) Please just click on accept and install the certificate even those MS claim it is dodgy. It's annoying that MS still haven't accepted our certificate into their store. I take it that you use Internet Explorer as your default web-browser? Have you ever tried Firefox or any of the other choices out there? FIrefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome and pretty much any other web-browsers are far safer and faster than IE. Although we sometimes argue amongst ourselves about which is better than the others they are all FAR better than IE in my experience. Internet Explorer is made by Microsoft and they are quite keen to get people to buy their newest versions of their own Office Suite and dissuade people from using anything else. Also IE appears to have considerable trouble with all sorts of issues that most others would consider security risk and it (IE) doesn't get updates out to people quickly enough to deal with problems. Just as the Eskimos have many words for snow and ice, so MS has many words for different sorts of security issues. MS keep their own store of certificate and use their own way of authenticating certificates but that doesn't seem to help them become secure. They block ones that are safe (such as their rivals) and allegedly let through ones that aren't. However, you can keep using IE if you want to. It's also quite normal for people to have at least 2 web-browsers installed and maybe use each for different things or at different times. Also you might find it better to install the 2nd package from the downloads page, the in-built help. Once downloaded you install it. It 'needs' to be installed sometime after the initial install of the main program but that could be a year or 2 later and after extensive use of LO. There is no need to do it straight-away although most of us do them both at around the same time to avoid forgetting to do so. Since you are just starting out with LO you might find the full proper guides quite useful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications They do have an entire team working on those so they are sometimes a bit more up-to-date than the in-built help. It's good to have both but if they conflict then it's the Publications that are more accurate. There is also an Faq https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but you might find the courses at Spoken Tutorials are the best way to learn quickly and thoroughly http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos?view=1foss=LibreOffice-Suite-Writerlanguage=English Note they have a lot of different non-European languages but their English is surprisingly impeccable and friendly. So, my suggestions are; 1. install and accept the certificate or else just install the in-built help that was also on the downloads page but just accepting the certificate is the faster answer 2. Quit using IE and use something safer, faster and more reliable. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome seem to be the most popular (not necessarily in that order) 3. install the Help package that was also on the downloads page. This way you don't need to connect to the internet to reach the help package each time you click F1 4. Download the guides you need or want from the wiki. I bought the Getting Started Guide and will probably buy the Base Handbook too. 5. Use http://www.spoken-tutorial.org to learn about how to use all sorts of OpenSource tools (such as Firefox or Chrome as well as LibreOffice) Regards from Tom :) -- From: Peter Hunt peterhunt...@outlook.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 9:18 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please Hello I have just downloaded and installed – with great ease, thank you – the latest version of LibreOffice. Being new to the suite of programs, I needed help early on so I pressed F1. My browser opened and I was given the text below. I tried other methods of accessing the online help but always found the same result. Help please! Thank you peter hunt There is a problem with this website's security
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find setting
Thanks Tim, exactly what I was trying to express as briefly as possible. Brian, the spoken word is more important and critical than the written word, in initial development of the human being. I don't have to be a psychologist to know that, just observed the growth of my children. So if we are taught correctly, we learn to firstly speak, then are taught to use our breathing, with pauses as we move on to read and understand any written text. Many teachers, and all of the ones I have been taught by, and my children taught by, have emphasised and enforced this. One does not have to be a public speaker, as this process starts from the first time all of us start to read and write at entry level school, and possibly prior to that from our parents, in reading aloud to an audience. So it starts there, and then progresses in the way we should be reading, and writing. And yes I can breath and read at the same time, that's not the real point. And the true purpose of punctuation, is for reading both vocally and in the mind, in that order, the one cannot be divorced from the other. And as to plain text it still has a font, mainly a sans serif one, even if not identified. In the old early days of computer, in whatever they were, it was a rudimentary machine font, I'm under correction, but much like Fixedsys. Microsoft then created their own font, called Microsoft sans serif and MS sans serif, almost identical but with some subtle differences. all of this was related to the poor screen/display technologies of the time. Today even in a plain text document one can choose any font of choice now, and correctly covered by Tim, in email clients. As to the font right now I am typing in, is in Mozilla Thunderbird, and the font is Colibri, a sans serif one, which is the default one for Thunderbird, under Windows 7 that is. Regards Andrew Brown On 17/08/2013 09:22 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 08/17/2013 12:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 10:47 17/08/2013 +0200, Andrew Brown wrote: In the read word punctuation taught us when to take a breath, as with a continuous sentence separated by a comma, and a long full breath after the period, plus a space. This suggests that the point of the printed word is solely to enable public speaking. Those of us who can read without moving our lips do not need breaths between sentences! I can breathe and read at the same time; can't you? The true purpose of punctuation in written material is to clarify the structure of the material, not to indicate the pauses that might occur if the material were read aloud. Now even as we type to each other in this email, we are using a sans serif font ... That's what you think! You sent this message in plain text, so no font was identified. How I read it or anyone else does depends on how we decide or our mail clients choose to display it. I'm doing the same: you don't know how this appears to me as I'm composing it and I don't know how you will see it. Brian Barker In Thunderbird's Preferences, you can choose what font the text of your email will be displayed in. By default, it seems it is Times New Roman, but I now use DejaVu Serif. I then get to choose what font the email is written in, with the current default as Times. I just chose DejaVu Serif for the font of this text that I have typed here. So, you can decide which font you wish to display any text that does not have a font identifier built in, and you can define the font of the text you are sending in your email, more than one if you choose. As for punctuation and word spacing, try reading old Greek text or others of that era like that where they seem to not use spacings and punctuation in their text. We need them whether we read a text out load or silently. The internal punctuation gives you structure and also gives you a sense of pausing where the author wants such a thing to emphasize some word or portion of the text. The punctuation in the sentence change the meaning of the sentence just by changing, adding, removing, key internal punctuation marks. Of course over the 30+ years between high-school and the last college writing course, the standards and rules have changes on what is needed where and how best to use a comma or semicolon. But without these in the text of books that I personally like to read, it would not be as easy to read as it is now. As for which fonts are best to use where, well whole college courses and majors can be needed to make the best guess on the science of what fonts are best for what and which fonts are more readable than others. Book Publishers know what it best in the different types of books that publish. One font for text books, another for entertainment reading. The hard cover book fonts can be different than the paper back ones as well. There is a science involved in the choosing of the proper fonts. I just decide which looks best for me for ease of
Re: [libreoffice-users] Failed mail
Dave Actually outgoing mail is scanned, by your service provider. This is mandatory as to avoid their range of IP addresses being blacklisted. Some SP's have a less strict scanning and blocking policy, which then passes onto multiple transports servers to the receivers SP, who might use a stricter policy and they then block and submit the IP for blacklisting. This is how many spam and maliciousware servers are discovered and shut down, from their sending content. Regards Andrew Brown On 17/08/2013 11:49 PM, Dave Liesse wrote: That would be correct. It's the incoming mail that's scanned, not the outgoing -- and too many spam checkers look only at the IP address. It doesn't matter if there are 4000 users on your shared, hosted server; as far as they're concerned if one's guilty, all are guilty, as if we have any say over who else shares the server. Dave On 8/17/2013 12:41, James Knott wrote: Mark's Google A/c wrote: I've been getting a *lot* of failed mail notifications from the mailing list over the last few weeks. After extensive investigation, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with my mailbox or mail servers, so I'm curious, how many other people get this, either frequently or occasionally? Is it just me? Mark Stanton I occasionally get bounced mail from the different lists I'm on. It's usually the recipient that has the problem. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please
Hi :) Sorry about the auto-reply from Oscar! I've taken his name off the CC list so that we don't get one too. Installing the inbuilt help is the neatest way around the problem and in the longer-term saves quite a bit of time. The full guides can be downloaded chapter-by-chapter or as a complete book so when i am on a different machine i tend to just download whichever chapter i need to solve whatever problem. Actually, tbh i tend to ask this list first and then hit the books (and google it). If i find the answer first i answer my own thread to close the case. People on most lists don't like that and think a person should spend hours wading through unfamiliar documentation first and then post a question and wait hours or even days before getting a response. Big yawn! I tend to find my way gets a faster result, especially because; 1. this is an excellent mailing list with tons of fairly amazing people often having their own niches 2. i then put more effort into trying to race against the list to see if i can get there first. 3. i tend to find the answers make more sense or are easier to de-geekify because stuff from the books is still spinning around in what i like to call my brain. Wrt Firefox and IE you have probably got IE set as your default web-browser. Possibly each time you open Firefox you get a pop-up saying that FF is not the default. When you make FF the default that pop-up stops popping up and instead you find IE starts popping up with it's one when you open IE. There is a tick-box in the pop-up that, when unticked, stops that pop-up for that program. If you have stopped whichever one from popping up then you can hunt around the Internet Options or Preferences to make the one you are hunting around in the new default. It's also possible to set which programs are the defaults for various things somewhere through the Windows Control Panel. Although each version of Windows does that slightly differently so you'd have to let us know whether it's Xp, Win7, Win8 or something else if you wanted help with that. Also that centralised place tends to forget about non-MS programs so, for example, it wouldn't let me choose GEdit as my default html editor and only showed me Notepad (which doesn't even do colour-coding). I think it can just about cope with different web-browsers since MS lost that famous court-case in Europe. Regards from Tom :) From: Peter Hunt peterhunt...@outlook.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org; websi...@global.libreoffice.org; os...@keysbabo.it Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 11:24 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please Hi Tom Many thanks indeed for your comprehensive, speedy reply to my “m’aidez” (and my thanks too to Oscar for his ‘auto-reply’). I use IE and – more recently – Firefox: in light of your advice, I’ll make much more use of the latter in the future. In addition, I’ll follow your advice to download and install the 2nd package from the LO downloads page. Many thanks too for sending me details of the extensive help that is available through the full guides that you list: I’ll look at them for sure. Again my thanks Regards Peter From: Tom Davies Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:40 AM To: Peter Hunt ; users@global.libreoffice.org ; websi...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with Help please Hi :) Please just click on accept and install the certificate even those MS claim it is dodgy. It's annoying that MS still haven't accepted our certificate into their store. I take it that you use Internet Explorer as your default web-browser? Have you ever tried Firefox or any of the other choices out there? FIrefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome and pretty much any other web-browsers are far safer and faster than IE. Although we sometimes argue amongst ourselves about which is better than the others they are all FAR better than IE in my experience. Internet Explorer is made by Microsoft and they are quite keen to get people to buy their newest versions of their own Office Suite and dissuade people from using anything else. Also IE appears to have considerable trouble with all sorts of issues that most others would consider security risk and it (IE) doesn't get updates out to people quickly enough to deal with problems. Just as the Eskimos have many words for snow and ice, so MS has many words for different sorts of security issues. MS keep their own store of certificate and use their own way of authenticating certificates but that doesn't seem to help them become secure. They block ones that are safe (such as their rivals) and allegedly let through ones that aren't. However, you can keep using IE if you want to. It's also quite normal for people to have at least 2 web-browsers
Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults
On 16/08/13 04:33, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:34 15/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote: Ok but what puzzles me is that in Styles Formatting window, Page Styles tab, there are 10 or so styles listed, including the first page to which you referred me earlier. Er, they are the default page styles which come with the product. What I had intended to do was create a new first page page style from it, and save as say letter_first_page so that it appeared in this list when I next opened it. I could then import that into two new documents which I would edit to further to create the two templates I need at present. You want this in two templates. (Actually, I suspect you want *different* first page styles in each of two templates.) You can create it in one and then import it (using Load Styles...) into the other. Job done. Why are you choosing to create it in a third document first? Did you then save your third document? If so, your new style is there. If not, you have destroyed your work before you attempted to use it. I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. You can store new styles in documents and you can store them in templates (even the default template) - which is much the same as having them in the default set. Meanwhile I find I have created a template which looks OK starting with all defaults I assume and to which I have added a header. When I tried to change the style to first page so that the header would not appear on the second page, the header that I had typed vanished and I was presented with a blank header! I'm not clear which page you set to have this style or what Next Style you have set for any of your styles, so I cannot guess what you are doing here. But headers are a property of page styles, so if you change the style of any page - whether directly or as a result of a change to some preceding page - you will get the header of that new style instead of what you had before. That's exactly why you would choose to change the style, of course! I shall keep trying. Good-oh! Brian Barker Hi Brian, OK but your I don't think you can add to the default set of styles. does explain why I had a problem. I had assumed one could create custom styles and park them with the default set. Now I know this is not possible I shall just go ahead and create my templates as you suggest. Many thanks for all your help. Regards, Budge -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 08/18/2013 01:17 AM, Urmas wrote: Paul: Yeah, bad troll is truly terrible. Meanwhile you could work on a feature parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, from 1991. The think I've learned about features is that it doesn't matter how many a software program has, as long as it has the one that *I* need. LO has the features I need. In some cases MSW does not. For example (and this is truly minor), LO allows me to control widows and orphans separately, which I appreciate since widows aren't nearly the problem that orphans are. Last I checked, Word only had one setting that controlled both. A simple little feature that I like. I'm sure there are other features that Word has that others need. But, for my needs, LO works just fine. Oh, and btw, it has the greatest feature of all; guilt free installation on any computer I want. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 08/18/2013 07:43 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 08/18/2013 01:17 AM, Urmas wrote: Paul: Yeah, bad troll is truly terrible. Meanwhile you could work on a feature parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, from 1991. The think I've learned about features is that it doesn't matter how many a software program has, as long as it has the one that *I* need. LO has the features I need. In some cases MSW does not. For example (and this is truly minor), LO allows me to control widows and orphans separately, which I appreciate since widows aren't nearly the problem that orphans are. Last I checked, Word only had one setting that controlled both. A simple little feature that I like. I'm sure there are other features that Word has that others need. But, for my needs, LO works just fine. Oh, and btw, it has the greatest feature of all; guilt free installation on any computer I want. Virgil And, of course, I think I got that backwards. Orphans aren't a problem, Widows can be. As I understand it, an orphan is the first line of a paragraph alone at the bottom of the page, and a widow is the last line of a paragraph at the top of a page. A widow can be as small as one word, while an orphan will aways extend the entire line length. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
2013/8/18 Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/**word_processor_plugin_**installationhttp://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installationsays it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? I'm currently using Zotero with 4.0.4 without any issue. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Writer tab stops setting keeps reverting to .5
I'm using LO 4.0.4.2 on Windows 7. Before moving to 4.0, I had my Writer tab stops set to .25 (using Tools - Options - Writer - General - Tab Stops). I set it once and it stayed that way. But since moving to 4.0, it reverts to the default .5 settingevery time I start Writer - even on existing documents - and I have to redo my .25 setting. Does anyone know if this is being fixed in 4.1, or how to cure the problem? -- Tim === I know the plans I have for you: Plans to prosper you and not to harm you; Plans to give you hope and a future. --- God (Jeremiah 29:11) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 18/08/2013 07:17, Urmas wrote: Paul: Yeah, bad troll is truly terrible. Meanwhile you could work on a feature parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, from 1991. Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features withthing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is thatthe reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
Hi :) I had one person say they gave up on LibreOffice when they asked about how to switch off insert mode and no-one here knew how to do that through the menus. I must admit i didn't see the question and doubt the validity of whether they really did ask here. Also they weren't happy with the idea of pressing the insert key on their keyboard. Apparently MS Office has a 3 clicks solution to it and we (allegedly) didn't give a suitably long-winded equivalent. Then another person grumbled about how the UI looks so old now, compared to the shiny ribbon-bar. They then said they hated the ribbon-bar because they could never find anything they needed on it unless it was a feature they used all the time. However they still wanted to know why LO didn't have a ribbon-bar and asked me how long before it would get one. When faced with morons such as that i think the best advice is to just leave them to it. Get on with helping other people instead. Sometimes the gentlest nudge in the right direction is enough. Sometimes you can see that people really are trying and are going to break-through but other times you just know that people are purely looking to create problems and then blame them on you. So, walk on by. Regards from Tom :) From: Werner F. Bruhin werner.bru...@free.fr To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:34 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared On 18/08/2013 07:17, Urmas wrote: Paul: Yeah, bad troll is truly terrible. Meanwhile you could work on a feature parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, from 1991. Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
Werner F. Bruhin: Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Paragraphs longer than 65k characters? Custom languages? Normal view? (Working) multiple indexes? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:43:17 -0400, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 08/18/2013 01:17 AM, Urmas wrote: Paul: Yeah, bad troll is truly terrible. Meanwhile you could work on a feature parity with Microsoft Word 2.0, from 1991. The think I've learned about features is that it doesn't matter how many a software program has, as long as it has the one that *I* need. LO has the features I need. In some cases MSW does not. For example (and this is truly minor), LO allows me to control widows and orphans separately, which I appreciate since widows aren't nearly the problem that orphans are. Last I checked, Word only had one setting that controlled both. A simple little feature that I like. +1 - This is true of any software package; does do what the user needs not whether it has features that the user will never use. I would submit for most users that features they need in an office suite were available in the major office suites since the early 90's. This is the marketing conumdrum MS faces; to find must have features that almost all users would pay for in a new version. I'm sure there are other features that Word has that others need. But, for my needs, LO works just fine. Oh, and btw, it has the greatest feature of all; guilt free installation on any computer I want. +1 - An often forgetten feature; no limits on the number of installs or other restrictions on the user. Virgil -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features withthing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is thatthe reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features withthing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is thatthe reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
Hi :) I think i would send them a Pd of the whole thing in addition to the Odf. Also i think i would include a link to the 2 relevant download pages. Thanks for letting me know btw! It might help my situation quite a bit. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
In Zotero's Document Preferences, note the choice between using ReferenceMarks or Bookmarks, and the choice of whether to 'Store references in document' or not. These choices will affect how you share documents with others. On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think i would send them a Pd of the whole thing in addition to the Odf. Also i think i would include a link to the 2 relevant download pages. Thanks for letting me know btw! It might help my situation quite a bit. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Old or new bug in Calc Save As XSLX file
I generated a simple ODS document that uses HLOOKUP. I can save this document as an ODS or an XLS document, but not as an XLSX document. Can someone verify this bug in any version other than the latest release candidate 4.1.1.1 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=68242 You can probably grab the ODS file direction https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=84206 And then save as an XLSX document. Alternatively, can an older version of LO read this document (the xlsx doc) https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=84207 Just curious if it is only me. On the bright side, I can now open my password protected documents with the latest release candidate; yeah! -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find setting
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Andrew Brown wrote: [...] And the true purpose of punctuation, is for reading both vocally and in the mind, in that order, the one cannot be divorced from the other. [...] German requires a comma between main clauses and subordinate clauses, for instance: ich sehe, dass er redet or I see that he's talking. there is no breath between those clauses in German or English. German also capitalizes every noun; what aspect of vocalization is that supposed to correspond to? apostrophes aren't vocalized either. two different media, speech and written word, one for the eye, one for the ear. f. On 17/08/2013 09:22 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 08/17/2013 12:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 10:47 17/08/2013 +0200, Andrew Brown wrote: In the read word punctuation taught us when to take a breath, as with a continuous sentence separated by a comma, and a long full breath after the period, plus a space. This suggests that the point of the printed word is solely to enable public speaking. Those of us who can read without moving our lips do not need breaths between sentences! I can breathe and read at the same time; can't you? The true purpose of punctuation in written material is to clarify the structure of the material, not to indicate the pauses that might occur if the material were read aloud. Now even as we type to each other in this email, we are using a sans serif font ... That's what you think! You sent this message in plain text, so no font was identified. How I read it or anyone else does depends on how we decide or our mail clients choose to display it. I'm doing the same: you don't know how this appears to me as I'm composing it and I don't know how you will see it. Brian Barker In Thunderbird's Preferences, you can choose what font the text of your email will be displayed in. By default, it seems it is Times New Roman, but I now use DejaVu Serif. I then get to choose what font the email is written in, with the current default as Times. I just chose DejaVu Serif for the font of this text that I have typed here. So, you can decide which font you wish to display any text that does not have a font identifier built in, and you can define the font of the text you are sending in your email, more than one if you choose. As for punctuation and word spacing, try reading old Greek text or others of that era like that where they seem to not use spacings and punctuation in their text. We need them whether we read a text out load or silently. The internal punctuation gives you structure and also gives you a sense of pausing where the author wants such a thing to emphasize some word or portion of the text. The punctuation in the sentence change the meaning of the sentence just by changing, adding, removing, key internal punctuation marks. Of course over the 30+ years between high-school and the last college writing course, the standards and rules have changes on what is needed where and how best to use a comma or semicolon. But without these in the text of books that I personally like to read, it would not be as easy to read as it is now. As for which fonts are best to use where, well whole college courses and majors can be needed to make the best guess on the science of what fonts are best for what and which fonts are more readable than others. Book Publishers know what it best in the different types of books that publish. One font for text books, another for entertainment reading. The hard cover book fonts can be different than the paper back ones as well. There is a science involved in the choosing of the proper fonts. I just decide which looks best for me for ease of reading. I am told Serif fonts work the best for entertainment reading, but which serif font is the best, only you can decide which one in your fonts collection works best for you. . -- Felmon Davis Nagging is the repetition of unpalatable truths. -- Baroness Edith Summerskill -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
At 07:55 18/08/2013 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 08/18/2013 07:43 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: ... LO allows me to control widows and orphans separately, which I appreciate since widows aren't nearly the problem that orphans are. And, of course, I think I got that backwards. Orphans aren't a problem, Widows can be. As I understand it, an orphan is the first line of a paragraph alone at the bottom of the page, and a widow is the last line of a paragraph at the top of a page. You are not alone in your confusion! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans says There is some disagreement about the definitions of widow and orphan; what one source calls a widow the other calls an orphan. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Old or new bug in Calc Save As XSLX file
I resolved as invalid. Turns out that on load, using a regular expression in an HLOOKUP is disabled for an XLSX file. If anything, the latest release candidate has improved behavior I went to it because saving in the version I had been using caused a crash. Thanks to mariosv for figuring this our for me! On 08/18/2013 01:35 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I generated a simple ODS document that uses HLOOKUP. I can save this document as an ODS or an XLS document, but not as an XLSX document. Can someone verify this bug in any version other than the latest release candidate 4.1.1.1 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=68242 You can probably grab the ODS file direction https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=84206 And then save as an XLSX document. Alternatively, can an older version of LO read this document (the xlsx doc) https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=84207 Just curious if it is only me. On the bright side, I can now open my password protected documents with the latest release candidate; yeah! -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 8/18/2013 10:11 AM, Urmas wrote: Werner F. Bruhin: Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Paragraphs longer than 65k characters? Custom languages? Normal view? (Working) multiple indexes? Really? You want to be able to write a 20-page PARAGRAPH? I'm not sure even James Joyce would have been up to that task. Now show me the person who's going to read it! I can see why Microsoft might not want to devote resources to setting a reasonable limit on paragraph size, but since all the formatting information sits in the pilcrow at the end of each paragraph, I would not be shocked if suddenly the font changes to 72-point Arial Black Bold somewhere in the middle of the mega-graph. If this happens, you probably wouldn't be able to re-apply the Normal style either. Urmas presumably would angrily phone Microsoft to demand an answer: the tech support person (after rolling her eyes and stifling a chuckle) would calmly suggest Have you tried putting in a hard return somewhere before the font changes? Remember what your English teacher taught you (I suspect this is true in most languages, too; even custom languages): Paragraphs are groups of sentences that deals with one point or gives the words of one speaker. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paragraph) Michael McCallister who strings sentences and paragraphs together for a living -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:51:10 -0400, Mike McCallister workingwri...@prodigy.net wrote: On 8/18/2013 10:11 AM, Urmas wrote: Werner F. Bruhin: Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Paragraphs longer than 65k characters? Custom languages? Normal view? (Working) multiple indexes? Really? You want to be able to write a 20-page PARAGRAPH? I'm not sure even James Joyce would have been up to that task. Now show me the person who's going to read it! I can see why Microsoft might not want to devote resources to setting a reasonable limit on paragraph size, but since all the formatting information sits in the pilcrow at the end of each paragraph, I would not be shocked if suddenly the font changes to 72-point Arial Black Bold somewhere in the middle of the mega-graph. If this happens, you probably wouldn't be able to re-apply the Normal style either. Urmas presumably would angrily phone Microsoft to demand an answer: the tech support person (after rolling her eyes and stifling a chuckle) would calmly suggest Have you tried putting in a hard return somewhere before the font changes? Remember what your English teacher taught you (I suspect this is true in most languages, too; even custom languages): Paragraphs are groups of sentences that deals with one point or gives the words of one speaker. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paragraph) Michael McCallister who strings sentences and paragraphs together for a living The standard for typing speed is 5 characters per word. For 65K characters is roughly 13K words. A paragraph this long would definitely need some editting. An English composition teacher would have a field day with the red pen. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 08/18/2013 04:35 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 07:55 18/08/2013 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 08/18/2013 07:43 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: ... LO allows me to control widows and orphans separately, which I appreciate since widows aren't nearly the problem that orphans are. And, of course, I think I got that backwards. Orphans aren't a problem, Widows can be. As I understand it, an orphan is the first line of a paragraph alone at the bottom of the page, and a widow is the last line of a paragraph at the top of a page. You are not alone in your confusion! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans says There is some disagreement about the definitions of widow and orphan; what one source calls a widow the other calls an orphan. Brian Barker If I recall correctly, StarOffice had the widow/orphan designations opposite from OpenOffice. I could be misremembering that, but I do seem to remember some discrepancy between versions of the programs over the years. The way I heard it explained is that an orphan has a future but no past, and a widow has a past, but no future. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 08/18/2013 06:39 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:51:10 -0400, Mike McCallister workingwri...@prodigy.net wrote: On 8/18/2013 10:11 AM, Urmas wrote: Werner F. Bruhin: Now a productive use of time would have been to tell us what the one feature you would like to have which existed in Word 2.0 in 1991 and doesn't exist in LO. Paragraphs longer than 65k characters? Custom languages? Normal view? (Working) multiple indexes? Really? You want to be able to write a 20-page PARAGRAPH? I'm not sure even James Joyce would have been up to that task. Now show me the person who's going to read it! I can see why Microsoft might not want to devote resources to setting a reasonable limit on paragraph size, but since all the formatting information sits in the pilcrow at the end of each paragraph, I would not be shocked if suddenly the font changes to 72-point Arial Black Bold somewhere in the middle of the mega-graph. If this happens, you probably wouldn't be able to re-apply the Normal style either. Urmas presumably would angrily phone Microsoft to demand an answer: the tech support person (after rolling her eyes and stifling a chuckle) would calmly suggest Have you tried putting in a hard return somewhere before the font changes? Remember what your English teacher taught you (I suspect this is true in most languages, too; even custom languages): Paragraphs are groups of sentences that deals with one point or gives the words of one speaker. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paragraph) Michael McCallister who strings sentences and paragraphs together for a living The standard for typing speed is 5 characters per word. For 65K characters is roughly 13K words. A paragraph this long would definitely need some editting. An English composition teacher would have a field day with the red pen. By profession, I am a lawyer. I once had an opponent who wrote a 20 page brief, most of which consisted of a single (badly composed) paragraph. Fortunately the judge didn't want to read it either as I won the case. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 18/08/2013 at 23:51, Mike McCallister workingwri...@prodigy.net wrote: Really? You want to be able to write a 20-page PARAGRAPH? I'm not sure even James Joyce would have been up to that task. Now show me the person who's going to read it! I heard that in some countries it is actually legal requirement that stenography from court case is to be written without any paragraph breaks. And even if this is not true, there is no point in turning limitation into strength. LO Writer does not allow paragraphs longer than certain size, period. If this limitation has been discovered, there was someone that actually needed longer paragraphs for whatever reason. I think custom language might be somehow valid point, too. Maybe not entire language, but definitely wordbook. If you write a novel, you don't want you character names to be underlined by spell checker. But when you write article to local newspaper, you want the same words to be marked as mistakes. So there is need for different wordbooks and ability to disable them on the fly. I am not sure how LO handle that. I wouldn't dare to create index in Writer, but then this is yet another limitation. Some people care about it. So far, Urmas has some valid points. There are things that MS Office can do, but which LO can't. They might be corner cases, they might seem unrealistic, but someone somewhere might need them sometime. We should acknowledge them as limitations, because that's what they are. After all, no software is perfect. I am not sure about Normal view, because I do not understand what it is supposed to do and whether there is equivalent function in LO. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 18/08/2013 at 18:01, Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com wrote: what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? Yes. Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value, so it does not have to be recalculated and can be displayed by software not understanding it). Bibliography is plain text in section. The hard part starts when you want the other person to change your document and change existing citations. Then, they have to use Zotero. And you must either share your library with them, or save Zotero data with each citation (might be slow on larger files). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
On 8/18/2013 4:01 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 18/08/2013 at 23:51, Mike McCallister workingwri...@prodigy.net wrote: Really? You want to be able to write a 20-page PARAGRAPH? I'm not sure even James Joyce would have been up to that task. Now show me the person who's going to read it! I heard that in some countries it is actually legal requirement that stenography from court case is to be written without any paragraph breaks. And even if this is not true, there is no point in turning limitation into strength. LO Writer does not allow paragraphs longer than certain size, period. If this limitation has been discovered, there was someone that actually needed longer paragraphs for whatever reason. I think custom language might be somehow valid point, too. Maybe not entire language, but definitely wordbook. If you write a novel, you don't want you character names to be underlined by spell checker. But when you write article to local newspaper, you want the same words to be marked as mistakes. So there is need for different wordbooks and ability to disable them on the fly. I am not sure how LO handle that. I wouldn't dare to create index in Writer, but then this is yet another limitation. Some people care about it. So far, Urmas has some valid points. There are things that MS Office can do, but which LO can't. They might be corner cases, they might seem unrealistic, but someone somewhere might need them sometime. We should acknowledge them as limitations, because that's what they are. After all, no software is perfect. What are the requirements to become an LO developer? I don't know about LO, but with R (www.r-project.org), anyone can contribute a package to enhance the basic language. If you want to change a feature of the core language, you need to work with the core developers, convince at least one of them that your proposed change would be an enhancement, and that it's worth that person's time to implement it. The latter can be facilitated by providing working code that passes all the standard checks. Spencer Graves I am not sure about Normal view, because I do not understand what it is supposed to do and whether there is equivalent function in LO. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Default View Layout(SOLVED)
On 08/18/2013 07:50 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: Hey Y'all, I opened an odf document on LO-Writer from the LO Documentation web site. The document was set for a side by side, two pages side by each, print view. Since opening that file every file I open defaults to the same side by side, two pages side by each, print view. Even documents that have only one page. Opening a document should not change your default settings for other documents that you open later. How do I get the default to go back to print view one page at a time, one above the next, like it used to do? http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/4664/set-print-layout-to-one-page/ -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Default View Layout(SOLVED)
On 08/18/2013 07:56 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/18/2013 07:50 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: Hey Y'all, I opened an odf document on LO-Writer from the LO Documentation web site. The document was set for a side by side, two pages side by each, print view. Since opening that file every file I open defaults to the same side by side, two pages side by each, print view. Even documents that have only one page. Opening a document should not change your default settings for other documents that you open later. How do I get the default to go back to print view one page at a time, one above the next, like it used to do? http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/4664/set-print-layout-to-one-page/ That still doesn't address the issue of changing your default just by opening a document. That should not happen. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
At 01:01 19/08/2013 +0200, Miroslaw Zalewski wrote: I think custom language might be somehow valid point, too. Maybe not entire language, but definitely wordbook. If you write a novel, you don't want you character names to be underlined by spell checker. But when you write article to local newspaper, you want the same words to be marked as mistakes. So there is need for different wordbooks and ability to disable them on the fly. I am not sure how LO handle that. You seem to be disappointed that LibreOffice cannot do something which it actually achieves very well. Language is a character property, a character style property, and a paragraph style property (but not a paragraph property, although an entire paragraph can be given a language setting using the character property, of course). You can set the language of words, phrases, sentences, whole paragraphs, or whatever differently from their surrounding text in many ways. Providing you have the appropriate dictionaries installed, everything works as you would want. You can even mark the language of your character names as None (Do not check spelling). Or did you mean something else? Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find setting
At 12:41 18/08/2013 +0200, Andrew Brown wrote: Thanks Tim, exactly what I was trying to express as briefly as possible. Even though most of what he said was wrong? Brian, the spoken word is more important and critical than the written word, ... So you are not talking about punctuation like the rest of us, then - which occurs only in written text (unless you are Victor Borge, that is)? (And I fear devotees of the Torah, the Bible, the Qur'an, and a hundred other similar texts would dispute your suggestion anyway!) [Snipped: rest of paragraph talking about pauses in speaking, nothing about punctuation.] And yes I can breath[e] and read at the same time, that's not the real point. For those of us who read without moving our lips, it is. And the true purpose of punctuation, is for reading both vocally and in the mind, in that order, the one cannot be divorced from the other. The purpose of punctuation is for reading? Well, yes: if you don't read the message you don't need the punctuation! (Otherwise, this says nothing.) And as to plain text it still has a font, ... Sorry, but that's plain nonsense. In order to display plain text, you need to use a font. But you can choose any font, and that font is your choice (or your software's), not part of the plain text. What do you think plain means here? Today even in a plain text document one can choose any font ... Exactly: which proves the point that the plain text itself does *not* have a font. ... and correctly covered by Tim, ... As I say (and explained separately), he was mainly incorrect, in fact. As to the font right now I am typing in, is in Mozilla Thunderbird, and the font is Colibri, a sans serif one, ... That's what you are seeing, but this mailing list (for example) distributes only a plain text version of your message, which has lost this property. See also Felmon Davis's excellent examples. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] missing item from 4.1.0 release for Debian x86
In upgrading from an earlier version of Libreoffice to 4.1.0.4 x86 Debian, I find that the sub-directory desktop-integration called for in the installation instructions is missing. I have checked the tar.gz and it is not there. Where can I get it? Bob McClure -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Battle of the Office Suites: Microsoft Office and LibreOffice Compared
Brian Barker: You can set the language of words, phrases, sentences, whole paragraphs, or whatever differently from their surrounding text in many ways. ...and their list is hard-coded. Unlike MSO... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
