[libreoffice-users] How to transfer customised styles between documents in LO 4

[Michael Wu]

Dear all,

From one reply shown below on 2012/05/04 in this mailing list,
we can transfer customized styles between documents.

" ..
 File > Templates > Organize
 In the lower drop-down-list choose "Documents".
 In the upper left part double-click source document and in the
upper right target document.
 Double click "Styles" of the source document.
 Drag the style _while holding down Strg-key_ to the target
document "Styles".
 Close dialog. The imported style is available immediately.

 Kind regards
 Regina "

However, it is seemed this feature is disappeared in LO 4. Please help
to check if  there is any way that we can transfer customized styles
between documents ?

Thank you and Regards,


   
Michael


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MONTH() and YEAR() functions behave differently in scalc 3.5.7 and 4.x

[Thomas Boehm]

Alex Thurgood wrote:
> On 07/10/2013 00:58, Thomas Boehm wrote:
> Which version of 4.x ?
>>From 4.1 onwards, the date/time definitions were reworked. These changes
> might be what is causing the difference in behaviour. In many instances,
> date/time values are now structs as opposed to string representations,
> and perhaps the Calc functions in question rely on that to work correctly.

I tried both, 4.0 and 4.1, hence the x. But yesterday I only tried 4.1.2.3


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MONTH() and YEAR() functions behave differently in scalc 3.5.7 and 4.x

[Thomas Boehm]

Thomas Boehm wrote:
> Brian Barker wrote:

>> in your case.  Your first question should be what happens if you enter
>> 10/2013 into an unformatted cell: do you see a date value, perhaps 1
>> October 2013, or do you see the text string you entered?
> 
> I see the text string entered, but the formatting says "Number - General".
> 
>> Note that the date acceptance patterns can now be adjusted at Tools |
>> Options... | Language Settings | Languages | Language of | Date
>> acceptance patterns.  Note also that the ISO format -MM-DD works in
>> all locales, so is most reliable.
> 
> When I add ;M/Y nothing changes. Or did you mean, that after this change
> if I enter 10/2013 into the cell it should be formatted as date? Then
> this doesn't work.

Of course I had to replace D/M with M/Y and not just add it. Now it
works and "01/10/13" appears when I enter "10/13".


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[libreoffice-users] Re: How to transfer customised styles between documents in LO 4

[Stefan Gruber]

Hello,

Michael Wu schrieb:
> However, it is seemed this feature is disappeared in LO 4.
> Please help to check if  there is any way that we can transfer
> customized styles between documents ?

Another way is to import styles from a template via the styles-
window.
This not as convenient as before though.

I also hope for a comeback...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Multilingual software

[James Knott]

Kumar wrote:
> Please email us the pricing for Libre Office Multilingual software . This is
> required by one of the University in Malaysia. 

LibreOffice is free.  I don't know about multilingual versions, but it's
available in a variety on languages and it is possible to add others. 
Take a look at www.libreoffice.org.  Again, there is no charge for
LibreOffice, though donations are appreaciated.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple math model, that can't be even opened by Calc.

[Sigrid Carrera]

sorry, but I see nothing else than this line.


On 6 October 2013 23:47, Анатолий Свищев  wrote:

> Somebody asked here why I think that Calc is very slack-baked ...


was there maybe a file attached? If so, please be advised that attachments
are not permitted on this mailinglist and are being removed.


/Sigrid

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 'deployment'

[Milos Sramek]

Hi,
A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and 
configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin 
does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is 
that possible for LO?


Thanks
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Multilingual software

[Tom Davies]

Dear Sir
It's free.  


However, an extra advantage of using OpenSource software is that organisations 
can re-invest some of those savings into having more control of the work that 
goes into the product.  

Some examples;  
*  If a university created a new, possibly part-time, employment position such 
as "Community Development Officer" then that person could work with professors, 
lecturers, teachers to enable students to work on real-world projects rather 
than just relying on learning purely theoretical knowledge.  
    *  Students learning "English as a foreign language" could tackle small 
sections of the various guides to translate into their own language.  
Alternatively their homework or classwork projects might be to work on video 
tutorials;  reading or creating scripts, capturing video screen-shots
http://spoken-tutorial.org/
    *  Students learning business studies or sales and marketing might be 
encouraged to work together to appear at a trade-show or conference to promote 
or inform people about the advantages of LibreOffice and OpenSource in general. 
 It might involve creating or adapting marketing materials, own-language Dvds.  
    *  Students in computer sciences might learn C++ or Python faster if they 
are given "Easy hacks" or if the university finds something specific they want 
coded.  For example, see the grey borders around most programs?  In LibreOffice 
they can be themed to look more interesting.  The university crest could be 
shown there on machines inside the university and students might want to show 
that off at home or other places too.  

*  Organisations, such as Universities, sometimes find they use software in an 
unusual way and want to have more control over the coding work, or they find a 
bug-report that they feel is urgent but no-one else is really affected by it.  
With proprietary software, such as MS Office, they are stuck.  With OpenSource 
software, such as LibreOffice, they could employ someone locally or a local 
company to work on a specific problem.  By permanently employing, probably 
part-time, a developer they have more control over the issues that get worked 
on.  


Many organisations employ people to work on different aspects of LibreOffice.  
Often it is to work on the programs coding directly as "developers".  For 
example Redhat employee developers and donate a lot of their time to 
LibreOffice as a whole but when Redhat need something specific done they can 
rely on that getting done.  Of course openSuSE benefits from the work of Redhat 
employees but their employees are also working on it so Redhat benefits from 
the work done by openSuSE employees too.  There are a lot of companies, 
universities, even government departments in various countries who work on 
LibreOffice together in this way.  


So, while LibreOffice is free the more important thing about it is that the 
University can have more control over it than they could have over proprietary 
alternatives.  


By the way this mailing list is really meant for User Support / Technical 
Support and not really for sales.  Also the general public use this list to 
help people with any question they might have about LibreOffice.  So none of 
the opinions (or even facts quoted) on this mailing list are necessarily 
reflecting the views of "The Document Foundation" or the views of anyone 
officially working on LibreOffice.  You might even spot one or 2 sulky 
individuals trying to undermine LibreOffice and OpenSource in general.  
However, we try to solve most things here and if we can't solve it then we can 
usually "sign-post" people to the correct mailing lists or sources of 
information.  In your case you might want to talk to our marketing team
market...@global.libreoffice.org
Subscribe to them in the same way you subscribed to the Users List.  Once you 
have done that it might be wise to unsubscribe from the Users List because this 
list is very high-traffic.  


For large scale "migrations" from MS Office to LibreOffice please can i 
recommend you get in contact with our marketing team but also please get in 
contact with the "Free Software Foundation".  Preferably get them to give you a 
regular advisor (it's probably a free service or if they do charge it should be 
well worth it).  
http

The general advice is usually to keep the existing versions of MS Office but 
install LibreOffice alongside it so that people can choose which they want to 
work with.  Newer machines and refurbishments can increasingly focus on just 
LibreOffice.  

There is no reason to get rid of old versions of MS Office to start with.  
Microsoft like to try to push people into getting rid of their existing 
versions in order to force people to use unfamiliar tools.  If those unfamiliar 
tools are non-MS then there is usually a strong push to spend loads of money 
buying the newer version of MS Office but again that is so unfamiliar to people 
that they need retraining.  Microsoft makes quite a lot of money

Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 'deployment'

[Dries Feys]

Hello,

We deploy LO here through software delivery from CA. This works fine.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer
T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com

On 7 October 2013 15:19, Milos Sramek  wrote:
> Hi,
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin does
> not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is that
> possible for LO?
>
> Thanks
> Milos
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Multilingual software

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

I was asked to send a DVD to Them this morning.  I told Them that it
would cost too much and it did not have their native language in the DVD
since it was meant for a different region of the world.  I made sure
they knew where to download the spoftware and linked to the "choose
language" page.



On 10/07/2013 03:50 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Dear Sir
> It's free.  
>
>
> However, an extra advantage of using OpenSource software is that 
> organisations can re-invest some of those savings into having more control of 
> the work that goes into the product.  
>
> Some examples;  
> *  If a university created a new, possibly part-time, employment position 
> such as "Community Development Officer" then that person could work with 
> professors, lecturers, teachers to enable students to work on real-world 
> projects rather than just relying on learning purely theoretical knowledge.  
> *  Students learning "English as a foreign language" could tackle small 
> sections of the various guides to translate into their own language.  
> Alternatively their homework or classwork projects might be to work on video 
> tutorials;  reading or creating scripts, capturing video screen-shots
> http://spoken-tutorial.org/
> *  Students learning business studies or sales and marketing might be 
> encouraged to work together to appear at a trade-show or conference to 
> promote or inform people about the advantages of LibreOffice and OpenSource 
> in general.  It might involve creating or adapting marketing materials, 
> own-language Dvds.  
> *  Students in computer sciences might learn C++ or Python faster if they 
> are given "Easy hacks" or if the university finds something specific they 
> want coded.  For example, see the grey borders around most programs?  In 
> LibreOffice they can be themed to look more interesting.  The university 
> crest could be shown there on machines inside the university and students 
> might want to show that off at home or other places too.  
>
> *  Organisations, such as Universities, sometimes find they use software in 
> an unusual way and want to have more control over the coding work, or they 
> find a bug-report that they feel is urgent but no-one else is really affected 
> by it.  With proprietary software, such as MS Office, they are stuck.  With 
> OpenSource software, such as LibreOffice, they could employ someone locally 
> or a local company to work on a specific problem.  By permanently employing, 
> probably part-time, a developer they have more control over the issues that 
> get worked on.  
>
>
> Many organisations employ people to work on different aspects of LibreOffice. 
>  Often it is to work on the programs coding directly as "developers".  For 
> example Redhat employee developers and donate a lot of their time to 
> LibreOffice as a whole but when Redhat need something specific done they can 
> rely on that getting done.  Of course openSuSE benefits from the work of 
> Redhat employees but their employees are also working on it so Redhat 
> benefits from the work done by openSuSE employees too.  There are a lot of 
> companies, universities, even government departments in various countries who 
> work on LibreOffice together in this way.  
>
>
> So, while LibreOffice is free the more important thing about it is that the 
> University can have more control over it than they could have over 
> proprietary alternatives.  
>
>
> By the way this mailing list is really meant for User Support / Technical 
> Support and not really for sales.  Also the general public use this list to 
> help people with any question they might have about LibreOffice.  So none of 
> the opinions (or even facts quoted) on this mailing list are necessarily 
> reflecting the views of "The Document Foundation" or the views of anyone 
> officially working on LibreOffice.  You might even spot one or 2 sulky 
> individuals trying to undermine LibreOffice and OpenSource in general.  
> However, we try to solve most things here and if we can't solve it then we 
> can usually "sign-post" people to the correct mailing lists or sources of 
> information.  In your case you might want to talk to our marketing team
> market...@global.libreoffice.org
> Subscribe to them in the same way you subscribed to the Users List.  Once you 
> have done that it might be wise to unsubscribe from the Users List because 
> this list is very high-traffic.  
>
>
> For large scale "migrations" from MS Office to LibreOffice please can i 
> recommend you get in contact with our marketing team but also please get in 
> contact with the "Free Software Foundation".  Preferably get them to give you 
> a regular advisor (it's probably a free service or if they do charge it 
> should be well worth it).  
> http
>
> The general advice is usually to keep the existing versions of MS Office but 
> install LibreOffice alongside it so that people can choose which they want to 
> work with.  Newer machines and refurbishments can incr

Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 'deployment'

[Thomas Boehm]

Milos Sramek wrote:
> Hi,
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin
> does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is
> that possible for LO?

I take it that you're using Windows. The Libreoffice setup has a silent
install command line switch. I use the following command to "deploy" a
newer version

> msiexec /qn /i "libreoffice_setup.msi%" SELECT_WORD=1 SELECT_EXCEL=1 
> SELECT_POWERPOINT=1 REGISTER_ALL_MSO_TYPES=1 ADDLOCAL=ALL RebootYesNo=No 
> REMOVE=gm_o_Onlineupdate,gm_o_jf_Palm,gm_o_jf_Pocketpc

and put it into the domain login script, so that it gets executed if one
particular user with the right permissions to install software logs in.
I do this with Remote Desktop on multiple PC at the same time.

There are also proper deployment solutions available like OPSI.

HTH
Thomas


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: boot-loaders, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

People keep telling me to use a different /home partition, but I never do.

I keep most of my data in other partitions and drives though.  Actually
I have run across one or two packages who do not let you go to the
/media folder to get to other partitions and drives.  That was weird.

I use the LTS versions, so I will do a clean install when they come out,
or when I need to replace the /sda drive or some other issue that would
best be fixed with a clean install.  The only problem is getting all of
my packaes, tweaks, and such, installed again.  It took hours and hours
when I replaced my bad 1-TB /sda drive with a new 2-TB one.  I still
find that I messed one or two from time to time.  A month ago was the
drive replacement.

So unless there is an issue, I will not do another clean install for
Ubuntu till 14.04LTS.

As for backups, I have 6-TBs worth of drives and 6-TBs worth of USB
externals.  I back up them on a regular basis.  Well it takes a while
even when I backup the new or modified files.  I use "rsync -aP" in the
terminal to do the backup of the drives. 

Yes, having all the hiddem "dot" folders save to backup it improtant. 
That is where things like emails and address books are located for
Thunderbird, or all the bookmarks and such are located for Firefox.  The
problem is once in a while the packages decide to change where that
folder is located.  LibreOffice went and placed their .libreoffice into
the .config folder a little while back, so the
/home/username/.libroffice folder is no longer used.

To be honest, I tried a 10.04LTS upgrade to 12.04LTS and it ended up
with a lot more file space used than it did for the clean install.  For
some reason, some of the upgraded packages seem not to get rid of all of
their unneeded files.  Then there are all of the Linux header and images
files save.  I had over 30 of them before I did the clean install. That
took a lot of extra drive space.  Since it seems that no of the older
version are removed, it can add up.  That is another good reason to do a
clean install. 

By-the-way
I run Ubuntu 12.04LTS with MATE for my desktop environment. 

Now, I do have laptops that have Windows on them. There are some things
I need Windows for.  Not many, but some.  I stopped at Win7 though.  I
hate Unity for Ubuntu, so why would I like Win8's tile desktop? 

NOW
did you mean to imply that you backup you entire drive[s] only once
every 6 months?  It sort of sounded that way.  I assume you do an
incremented backup - like I do - on a regular basis.  I do the
"important" files every few days or so.  I do the other new/modified
ones every week or so.  Now, if I had a 4th external drive, then I may
do a full/clean bancup of a drive, but I do not like to wipe a backup to
do so.  Plus, for some reason, I am not in favor of just doing a
"overwrite" of all of the file on a disc.  It the externals were in
NTFS, that would make the entire drive one big mess of fragments,
hundreds of thousands of them.  So I tend not to want to do the same
procedure with an ext4 formatted drive.




On 10/06/2013 03:17 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> As James said it might well be better to make a separate partition for your 
> /home.  It's easier to do that during the install process but this link can 
> be handy if you want to try this post-install. 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
> If the way you are doing it keeps working then you might as well stick to 
> that but thee are other advantages to having a separate /home
>
> The way Don is doing it doesn't work for a very few programs (such as 
> Evolution (an alternative to Thunderbird&Lightning)) but does work for almost 
> all afaik.  I used to do the same thing but since 2010 the upgrade process 
> has been really, really smooth so i have often gone for that instead now.  I 
> do occasionally do a fresh install onto the same machine but that is for 
> other reasons (such as testing or just to get more practice or because my 
> fiddling around has broken something i don't know how to fix and then want it 
> back the way it was before i started fiddling).  
>
> I've even found that i can do a fresh install over the top of an existing one 
> and that keeps all my settings&configs as long as i didn't format the 
> partition during the install.  I have installed a 10.04 over the top of a 
> 10.10 and then when i opened Firefox all the same tabs opened that i had left 
> open in the 10.10.  Errr, my main reasoning there was to try to upgrade an 
> unsupported version without having to use subsequent versions that were also 
> unsupported.  By going backwards to the 10.04 LTS (LTS= Long Term Support) i 
> was then able to upgrade LTS to LTS to get to the 12.04LTS.  Again Firefox 
> remembered all my tabs.  Afterwards i realised i could have just done a fresh 
> install of the 12.04 instead of using the 10.04LS as a stepping stone.  
> Hindsight is great isn't it! ;)
>
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
>
>
> - Original Message --

Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 10/06/2013 08:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)  
> Usually when you buy a desktop computer it already has Windows installed.  
> Then after a couple of years the machine has become old and slow and needs 
> replacing so another Windows machine gets bought.  At no point does anyone 
> install Windows, or at least not many people.  People usually just dispose of 
> it and get a new one
>
> By contrast, when you first start using Gnu&Linux the very first thing you 
> have to do is install it.  Since very few people have any experience 
> installing any Operating System that usually means learning a lot of very 
> technical stuff very quickly.  None of which you will need to know after the 
> system has been set-up.  
>
> Many people, such as Virgil, get stuck somewhere in the middle of the 
> set-up&install process.  Just as they would be hopelessly lost if they tried 
> to install Windows.  Actually with Windows they typically have a lot more 
> trouble.  Also with Windows they would know that it's an unusual process and 
> would probably seek help.  Whereas with Gnu&Linux they shy away from help 
> because they want to get established a bit first before risking asking 
> "stupid questions".  
>
>
> Of course that is exactly the wrong way around because once the system is 
> set-up then it's just simple point&click all the way, just as it is when you 
> have just bought a Windows machine from a shop.  About the only time you need 
> help with a Gnu&Linux system is while you are first installing it!  
>
> Tim at Kracked Press is still very confused about most of the set-up&install 
> process and has thoroughly weird, screwy, set-ups that i wouldn't wish on my 
> worst enemy but despite that has been successfully using Gnu&Linux to do some 
> quite amazing things that i wouldn't even dream of trying
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  


Ha, Ha, Tom

I am not that confused, but I just have not done a lot of manual setups
or scripting on Linux, so a lot is "new" to me.

[What can you expect for a guy that had 3 strokes and not the time or
money to make my home, office, and equipment, the way I should have it. 
tee hee tee hee.]

Well, my setup is not to "screwy" either.  It works for me.  I just have
a lot of data and other files to deal with. 

Yes, I have been using Ubuntu for a few years now.  BUT I do not have
any good book on it or Linux in general.  Yes, I tend to use a GUI for
my use and not do much in the command line.  I learn what I need, when I
need it.  I just do not have time to "pay around" with different
commands and packages just to learn how to do more.

I run Ubuntu with MATE desktop, plus some basic [default] KDE packages. 
I just find the packages that work for me and use them.

I have 3 drives and one has 3 partitions.  /sda has the /home and OS
partition, plus two data partitions.  Then the other two drives are a
single partition each.  I have a "mess" inside the system due to issues
with the power cabling and such that came with the desktop.  But that
can only be fixed with a new power supply and maybe a new motherboard
and case.

ALSO, I have to have half of my living room as my home/office.  One wall
is full of shelves of network printers, paper, and most everything else
I need for my home/office use. 

Yes, I would love to have an office that did not look a little like a
mad scientist's laboratory, but you have to take what you get and can
afford.  [anyone need a mad scientist's monster made for them? well the
transportation might be the issue since villagers tend to want to us
torches every time they see the "thing" heading to the airport.]



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 'deployment'

[James Knott]

Milos Sramek wrote:
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin
> does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is
> that possible for LO?

Yes, it's certainly doable.  It's easy enough on Linux and there are
tools available on Windows for that too.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: boot-loaders, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[James Knott]

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> People keep telling me to use a different /home partition, but I never do.
>

When you do your next upgrade, get another drive for /home and use the
original for everything else.  Then copy your entire /home directory to
the new drive.  When you install the next version, you can specify the
mount point for home, but do not format it.  Go from there and you're
done.  If you don't want to install another drive, just create the
separate partition when upgrading and copy your data back to it.  On my
computer, I have a 160 GB /home and 60 GB for everything else.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

So far I've gotten no interest in this at all (which is unfortunate). If 
I don't get at least a few responses by Wednesday I' going to call it 
off (as it's really just not worth it if we don't have minimum of 4 
preferably 5-6). It would be really nice to get a North American team 
consistently contributing as right now Europe dominates the contributor 
side and IMHO it looks bad for us in North America to be using the 
product but not contributing something in return as FLOSS software 
really depends on a community, a give and take relationship. Really 1 
hour a month is enough time to give back a bit.


All the best,
Joel

On 09/30/2013 07:45 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

I hope this email finds everyone doing well. I would like to propose 
another North America QA pub chat (this time I may even bring a beer) 
for next Friday (the 11th) at the same time (12:00pm EST). If we can 
get at least 5 people I think it's worth catching up, see what 
everyone has been up to, get an update from Robinson's trip to Milan 
(yes, Robinson went to the conference in Milanhe'll make sure to 
rub it in our face about how amazing it was), and anything else that 
comes to mind.


Like always this chat is open to everyone, just the time is set up so 
that it's functional for us in North America to make without having to 
wake up at 5am.


If you're interested please respond letting me know so that I can get 
a head count. If it reaches 5, Robinson and I will work on a tentative 
agenda but I'd like this one to be more interactive than the last :)



All the Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice

[Vitorio Furusho - LibreOffice]

Hello all,


I made a
new
adhesives
, I Love LibreOffice, for you make and distribute to friends, and events at
your institution:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e0/Adesivo_3.png



Furusho, Vitorio 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice

[anne-ology]

   Nice advertisement poster for LO; Congratulations.

   Just curiously wondering what this has to do with adhesives???
   an adhesive is a glue - a substance used for sticking objects
together  ;-)



From: Vitorio Furusho - LibreOffice 
Date: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice
To: Lista LO Usuários 


Hello all,

I made a new adhesives, I Love LibreOffice, for you make and distribute to
friends, and events at your institution:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e0/Adesivo_3.png

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Urmas]

From: Jay Lozier

The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it
will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine.

The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and never 
updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd requirement to 
download different kind of packages containing exactly the same files bring 
all the advantages down to nil.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Downloading Latest Windows Release

[Urmas]

"Brian Grainger":

Using the standard process for downloading from the download page the  
LibreOffice install file came as a *.MAN file.


It's a Web server misconfiguration. Just rename it to .MSI manually.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Urmas]

"Robert Holtzman":

The fact that you use the generic term "linux" instead of citing which
distro  

In 2001 I used Mandrake Odyssey 7.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Urmas]

"MirosławZalewski":

Perhaps these are reasons why most modern operating systems (Mac OS X,
iOS, Windows 8, Android) have "stores" built-in, which essentially
**are** repositories.

They are as different from Linux repositories as it can get. There is only 
one appstore for all clients and it always have the recent version of the 
software. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Mirosław Zalewski]

Dnia 2013-10-07, o godz. 22:50:29
"Urmas"  napisał(a):

> There is only 
> one appstore for all clients and it always have the recent version of
> the software. 

And there is only one official repository for each Linux
distributions*. If you treat all Linux distributions as one "operating
system", then you are mistaken.

There is nothing in repository concept that would prevent inclusion of
the most recent version of software, even on the day of release. If
repository do not contain newest version of software, it's always due
to politics or lack of manpower.
And if you are unhappy with internal politics of your distribution,
perhaps you should try another one?

Also it should be noted that in Android and iOS world, repository is
often the only viable way to distribute your software among your users.
Therefore, software vendors approach repository administration to
include their software and the day software package hit repository is
considered official "release date".
In Linux world, software vendors release their software by other means,
such as personal webpages, source repositories and third-party sites.
They often don't care about inclusion of software in repositories and
most certainly do not coordinate releases with administrators of
repositories.

* Repositories are often split into branches, so it might appear
  that there are few of them; but as long as you can switch between
  branches with relative ease, I think we can talk about single
  repository.

Yes, repositories in Windows/Mac/Android/iOS differ considerably to
repositories in Linux. But these differences are always political,
institutional, social or psychological, never technical.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It's a play on the word "sticker", right?  

I think the other logo should have been used, the one without the words "The 
Document Foundation".  The one with those words is only for use in certain 
specific circumstances.  The one without the words (so that it only says 
"LibreOffice") can be used by pretty much anyone.  

Also, logos usually require a decent amount of "white space" around the logo so 
the "ISO 26300 ODF" shouldn't be so close.  It's all about branding.  

I really like the stickers as they are and think that moving the elements 
around would spoil it a bit.  I just can't imagine the marketing or design 
teams being happy about them.  It's worth asking though because they might be 
able to find the right circumstances to use these and might appreciate the good 
work that has gone in.

Nicely done though! :D
Regards from  
Tom :)  




- Original Message -
From: anne-ology 
To: Vitorio Furusho 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013, 16:45
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice

       Nice advertisement poster for LO; Congratulations.

       Just curiously wondering what this has to do with adhesives???
           an adhesive is a glue - a substance used for sticking objects
together  ;-)



From: Vitorio Furusho - LibreOffice 
Date: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] N new adhesives , I Love LibreOffice
To: Lista LO Usuários 


Hello all,

I made a new adhesives, I Love LibreOffice, for you make and distribute to
friends, and events at your institution:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e0/Adesivo_3.png

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: boot-loaders, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Tom Davies]

- Original Message -
From: James Knott 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013, 15:37
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: boot-loaders, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was 
Corrupt Installer Errors??)

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> People keep telling me to use a different /home partition, but I never do.
>

When you do your next upgrade, get another drive for /home and use the
original for everything else.  Then copy your entire /home directory to
the new drive.  When you install the next version, you can specify the
mount point for home, but do not format it.  Go from there and you're
done.  If you don't want to install another drive, just create the
separate partition when upgrading and copy your data back to it.  On my
computer, I have a 160 GB /home and 60 GB for everything else.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[Joel Madero]

Definitely willing to move the time around. So maybe we need to first 
see who would theoretically like to make it and then we can discuss a 
specific time? I'm also a full time law student so my schedule is a 
bit...chaotic, but I'll do whatever I can to continue trying to build a 
solid North American base.


So, any other people who would be interested but the Friday afternoon 
time doesn't work?



Best,
Joel

On 10/07/2013 09:56 AM, James Michael DuPont wrote:

Howdy,
I am on CST (*UTC/GMT -5 hours) *and work full time. As a volunteer I 
would be willing to chat any time outside of my normal 8-6

thanks
mike


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, bjoern 
> wrote:


On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 07:44:53AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> So far I've gotten no interest in this at all (which is
> unfortunate). If I don't get at least a few responses by Wednesday
> I' going to call it off (as it's really just not worth it if we
> don't have minimum of 4 preferably 5-6). It would be really nice to
> get a North American team consistently contributing as right now
> Europe dominates the contributor side and IMHO it looks bad for us
> in North America to be using the product but not contributing
> something in return as FLOSS software really depends on a community,
> a give and take relationship. Really 1 hour a month is enough time
> to give back a bit.

Hi,

I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point
out the time
in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm
EST" is
ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST?

Best,

Bjoern
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[libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[Joel Madero]

hip. Really 1 hour a month is enough time to give back a bit.

Hi,

I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point out the time
in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm EST" is
ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST?


Sure, apologies for that :)

So for North America (or at least United States) we have:
PST (GMT - 7)
MDT (GMT -6)
CST (GMT - 5)
EST (GMT - 4)

Once I get a head count of who theoretically would be interested if the 
time was right, we can start discussing what specific time will work and 
I'll make sure to do the conversion to GMT :) As of now it looks like 
1200 (1900 GMT) on Friday isn't going to work as there just doesn't seem 
to be availability/interest.


All the best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Well, some people do not use "Chat" often, like me.

Of course, I do not tend to be up that late as well, since I tend to be
awake at about 5am no matter what time I go to bed.

Well, I have to go back and deal with some local "stuff" here in New
York State.

On 10/07/2013 10:44 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> So far I've gotten no interest in this at all (which is unfortunate).
> If I don't get at least a few responses by Wednesday I' going to call
> it off (as it's really just not worth it if we don't have minimum of 4
> preferably 5-6). It would be really nice to get a North American team
> consistently contributing as right now Europe dominates the
> contributor side and IMHO it looks bad for us in North America to be
> using the product but not contributing something in return as FLOSS
> software really depends on a community, a give and take relationship.
> Really 1 hour a month is enough time to give back a bit.
>
> All the best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/30/2013 07:45 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I hope this email finds everyone doing well. I would like to propose
>> another North America QA pub chat (this time I may even bring a beer)
>> for next Friday (the 11th) at the same time (12:00pm EST). If we can
>> get at least 5 people I think it's worth catching up, see what
>> everyone has been up to, get an update from Robinson's trip to Milan
>> (yes, Robinson went to the conference in Milanhe'll make sure to
>> rub it in our face about how amazing it was), and anything else that
>> comes to mind.
>>
>> Like always this chat is open to everyone, just the time is set up so
>> that it's functional for us in North America to make without having
>> to wake up at 5am.
>>
>> If you're interested please respond letting me know so that I can get
>> a head count. If it reaches 5, Robinson and I will work on a
>> tentative agenda but I'd like this one to be more interactive than
>> the last :)
>>
>>
>> All the Best,
>> Joel
>>
>> -- 
>> *Joel Madero*
>> LibreOffice QA Volunteer
>> jmadero@gmail.com 
>>
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Paul]

False


On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700
"Urmas"  wrote:

> From: Jay Lozier
> 
> The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it
> will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine.
> 
> The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and
> never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd
> requirement to download different kind of packages containing exactly
> the same files bring all the advantages down to nil.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[M Henri Day]

2013/10/7 Paul 

> False
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700
> "Urmas"  wrote:
>
> > From: Jay Lozier
> >
> > The advantage of the repository is when a new version is released, it
> > will automatically be updated and only one version is on the machine.
> >
> > The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release and
> > never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd
> > requirement to download different kind of packages containing exactly
> > the same files bring all the advantages down to nil.
>

​Paul, given what our friend «Urmas»​
​ has previously posted to this forum - and to the AOO forum as well - I'd
suggest that truth values are not his/her primary concern

Henri​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Paul]

Most definitely, but I felt it should be stated "for the record".


On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 20:56:23 +0200
M Henri Day  wrote:

> 2013/10/7 Paul 
> 
> > False
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:46:13 +0700
> > "Urmas"  wrote:
> >
> > > From: Jay Lozier
> > >
> > > The advantage of the repository is when a new version is
> > > released, it will automatically be updated and only one version
> > > is on the machine.
> > >
> > > The version in repository is fixed for the distribution release
> > > and never updated. There is no any advantage in this. The absurd
> > > requirement to download different kind of packages containing
> > > exactly the same files bring all the advantages down to nil.
> >
> 
> ​Paul, given what our friend «Urmas»​
> ​ has previously posted to this forum - and to the AOO forum as well
> - I'd suggest that truth values are not his/her primary concern
> 
> Henri​
> 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[bjoern]

On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 07:44:53AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> So far I've gotten no interest in this at all (which is
> unfortunate). If I don't get at least a few responses by Wednesday
> I' going to call it off (as it's really just not worth it if we
> don't have minimum of 4 preferably 5-6). It would be really nice to
> get a North American team consistently contributing as right now
> Europe dominates the contributor side and IMHO it looks bad for us
> in North America to be using the product but not contributing
> something in return as FLOSS software really depends on a community,
> a give and take relationship. Really 1 hour a month is enough time
> to give back a bit.

Hi,

I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point out the time
in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm EST" is
ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST? 

Best,

Bjoern

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[libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[James Michael DuPont]

Howdy,
I am on CST (*UTC/GMT -5 hours) *and work full time. As a volunteer I would
be willing to chat any time outside of my normal 8-6
thanks
mike


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, bjoern wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 07:44:53AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> > So far I've gotten no interest in this at all (which is
> > unfortunate). If I don't get at least a few responses by Wednesday
> > I' going to call it off (as it's really just not worth it if we
> > don't have minimum of 4 preferably 5-6). It would be really nice to
> > get a North American team consistently contributing as right now
> > Europe dominates the contributor side and IMHO it looks bad for us
> > in North America to be using the product but not contributing
> > something in return as FLOSS software really depends on a community,
> > a give and take relationship. Really 1 hour a month is enough time
> > to give back a bit.
>
> Hi,
>
> I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point out the
> time
> in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm EST" is
> ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST?
>
> Best,
>
> Bjoern
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Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
I once read an amusing article "If operating systems were airplanes".  I 
couldn't find the one i read but managed to pluck these bits from Zyra's mad 
website.  

Mac Airlines
All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents are all 
friendly and attractive but all look and act exactly the same.  Every time you 
ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need 
to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your 
ever having to know. 

Windows Air
The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage 
check and boarding, and a smooth take-off.  After about 10 minutes in the air, 
the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Linux Air
When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy 
of the seat-HOWTO.html. 
Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves 
and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful.  
You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all 
they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"


I think nowadays exploding is less likely but when i replaced it with "suddenly 
has to land and take off again" it stopped being so amusing.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  



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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
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Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013, 15:30
Subject: Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was 
Corrupt Installer Errors??)

On 10/06/2013 08:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)  
> Usually when you buy a desktop computer it already has Windows installed.  
> Then after a couple of years the machine has become old and slow and needs 
> replacing so another Windows machine gets bought.  At no point does anyone 
> install Windows, or at least not many people.  People usually just dispose of 
> it and get a new one
>
> By contrast, when you first start using Gnu&Linux the very first thing you 
> have to do is install it.  Since very few people have any experience 
> installing any Operating System that usually means learning a lot of very 
> technical stuff very quickly.  None of which you will need to know after the 
> system has been set-up.  
>
> Many people, such as Virgil, get stuck somewhere in the middle of the 
> set-up&install process.  Just as they would be hopelessly lost if they tried 
> to install Windows.  Actually with Windows they typically have a lot more 
> trouble.  Also with Windows they would know that it's an unusual process and 
> would probably seek help.  Whereas with Gnu&Linux they shy away from help 
> because they want to get established a bit first before risking asking 
> "stupid questions".  
>
>
> Of course that is exactly the wrong way around because once the system is 
> set-up then it's just simple point&click all the way, just as it is when you 
> have just bought a Windows machine from a shop.  About the only time you need 
> help with a Gnu&Linux system is while you are first installing it!  
>
> Tim at Kracked Press is still very confused about most of the set-up&install 
> process and has thoroughly weird, screwy, set-ups that i wouldn't wish on my 
> worst enemy but despite that has been successfully using Gnu&Linux to do some 
> quite amazing things that i wouldn't even dream of trying
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  


Ha, Ha, Tom

I am not that confused, but I just have not done a lot of manual setups
or scripting on Linux, so a lot is "new" to me.

[What can you expect for a guy that had 3 strokes and not the time or
money to make my home, office, and equipment, the way I should have it. 
tee hee tee hee.]

Well, my setup is not to "screwy" either.  It works for me.  I just have
a lot of data and other files to deal with. 

Yes, I have been using Ubuntu for a few years now.  BUT I do not have
any good book on it or Linux in general.  Yes, I tend to use a GUI for
my use and not do much in the command line.  I learn what I need, when I
need it.  I just do not have time to "pay around" with different
commands and packages just to learn how to do more.

I run Ubuntu with MATE desktop, plus some basic [default] KDE packages. 
I just find the packages that work for me and use them.

I have 3 drives and one has 3 partitions.  /sda has the /home and OS
partition, plus two data partitions.  Then the other two drives are a
single partition each.  I have a "mess" inside the system due to issues
with the power cabling and such that came with the desktop.  But that
can only be fixed with a new power supply and maybe a new motherboard
and case.

ALSO, I have to have half of my living room as my home/office.  One wall
is full of shelves of network printers, paper, and most everything else
I need for my home/office use. 

Yes, I would love to have an office that did not look a little like a
mad scientist's laboratory, but you have to take what you get and can
afford.  [anyone need a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[Dave Liesse]

Actually, that time zone chart is not quite accurate.  The differences 
are correct for daylight time, but not for standard time.


PST (GMT/UCT - 8)
MST (GMT/UCT - 7)
CST (GMT/UCT - 6)
EST (GMT/UCT - 5)

PDT (GMT/UCT - 7)
MDT (GMT/UCT - 6)
CDT (GMT/UCT - 5)
EDT (GMT/UCT - 4)

And, of course, our daylight (summer) time has to be different from the 
rest of the world.  We start earlier and end later than the European 
countries, so the difference from another given time zone isn't constant.


Dave


On 10/7/2013 10:30, Joel Madero wrote:

hip. Really 1 hour a month is enough time to give back a bit.

Hi,

I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point 
out the time
in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm 
EST" is

ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST?


Sure, apologies for that :)

So for North America (or at least United States) we have:
PST (GMT - 7)
MDT (GMT -6)
CST (GMT - 5)
EST (GMT - 4)

Once I get a head count of who theoretically would be interested if 
the time was right, we can start discussing what specific time will 
work and I'll make sure to do the conversion to GMT :) As of now it 
looks like 1200 (1900 GMT) on Friday isn't going to work as there just 
doesn't seem to be availability/interest.


All the best,
Joel




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Pub Chat

[James Knott]

Dave Liesse wrote:
> And, of course, our daylight (summer) time has to be different from
> the rest of the world.  We start earlier and end later than the
> European countries

And different again from the Southern Hemisphere, where they're wrong by
6 months..  ;-)


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing an OS, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Urmas]

"Tom Davies":

Usually when you buy a desktop computer it already has Windows installed. 
Then after a couple of years the machine has become old and slow and needs 
replacing so another Windows machine gets bought.  At no point does anyone 
install Windows, or at least not many people.


I believe that about 50% Windows users not only installed it themselves or 
got it installed, but even cracked it afterward. See? People do risk 
themselves to get a quality product, and 'free' Linux is not required.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Urmas]

"Paul":


False


*What* is false? There are two 250MB packages of LibreOffice differing in 
extension only. That's ridiculous.


Which distro updates software in repositories?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Repositories, was: Fw: Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

[Paul]

For the record:


On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 04:51:54 +0700
"Urmas"  wrote:

> "Paul":
> 
> > False
> 
> *What* is false?
Pretty much everything you said (or ever say, for that matter).

> There are two 250MB packages of LibreOffice
> differing in extension only. That's ridiculous.
Given your history I have good reason to doubt this is even true, but it
may well be, for one reason or another. As I don't know which distro or
repo you are talking about, and what the purpose of this is, I won't
comment further.

> Which distro updates software in repositories?
Most of the ones I know. Ubuntu does, Arch does, I'm sure RedHat, SUSE,
Gentoo, Debian and any other popular distro you care to name does as
well.

If you were talking only about updating LO, then you should have
made that clear. And on that specific point I cannot comment without
further research.


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