Re: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Hi :) There is nothing actually stopping you from continuing to use Xp. Something like 30% of desktops are still on Xp. Just take care to avoid phishing scams etc. Also consider a dual-boot on it. If you want to give a Gnu&Linux a go then it's best to download (torrent if poss) a few different versions. Ubuntu makes it easy to make a LiveUsb to test-drive the distro. On 2 of 'my' really ancient machines all different versions of Mint crashed or were horribly slow but that says more about my machines than about Mint. On a merely fairly old machine it flew along and looked really nice. Err, i only tried the cinamon, mate and kde versions (to be fair that leaves xfce and debian to go) Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 22:16, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > > > Original Message > Subject:RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING > A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...] > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:10:24 -0400 > From: Virgil Arrington > To: James Knott > > > > > > James Knott wrote, > > > > I run openSUSE Linux on my computers and have for several years. It's > > generally possible to to an upgrade as new versions come out. > > I'm thinking of installing Mint Debian to my (now defuct XP) desktop. I > understand it's a rolling release, which should me continuous ongoing > support. At least now I have an extra computer to experiment with and > become even more familiar with that lovely little penguin. > > Virgil > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Hi :) hah, ok so Ubuntu 14.04's "Startup Disk Creator" only worked for a few of the distros i downloaded. No immediately obvious pattern wrt family etc. Bodhi was amazing! A tad empty but looks intriguing, kinda reminds me of antiX a bit but is completely different. Mint Xfce and Mint Mate and Kubuntu were really fast! I'd heard the folks at Kde were working hard at making it faster and lighter but never believed it until i saw it racing along there! Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 22:31, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > There is nothing actually stopping you from continuing to use Xp. > Something like 30% of desktops are still on Xp. > > Just take care to avoid phishing scams etc. Also consider a dual-boot on > it. > > If you want to give a Gnu&Linux a go then it's best to download (torrent > if poss) a few different versions. Ubuntu makes it easy to make a LiveUsb > to test-drive the distro. On 2 of 'my' really ancient machines all > different versions of Mint crashed or were horribly slow but that says more > about my machines than about Mint. On a merely fairly old machine it flew > along and looked really nice. Err, i only tried the cinamon, mate and kde > versions (to be fair that leaves xfce and debian to go) > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > > On 23 April 2014 22:16, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> >> >> >> Original Message >> Subject:RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: >> CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...] >> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:10:24 -0400 >> From: Virgil Arrington >> To: James Knott >> >> >> >> >> >> James Knott wrote, >> > >> > I run openSUSE Linux on my computers and have for several years. It's >> > generally possible to to an upgrade as new versions come out. >> >> I'm thinking of installing Mint Debian to my (now defuct XP) desktop. I >> understand it's a rolling release, which should me continuous ongoing >> support. At least now I have an extra computer to experiment with and >> become even more familiar with that lovely little penguin. >> >> Virgil >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- >> unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Documentation
On 4/23/2014 4:49 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: I was searching via google for LO documentation and I found "WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf". However, when I clicked on it, I received a document with 468 blank pages. This was the URL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf Dale Erwin Never mind... I connected from a different link and this time the document was populated. Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
On 04/23/2014 06:19 PM, Toki wrote: The typical end-user does not know that both hardware and software comes with EOL dates, much less has any idea when those dates will occur. jonathon That was certainly true of this typical end-user. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
On 4/23/2014 6:36 AM, Brian Barker wrote: > So whenever you purchased it, you would have expected expiration either now or much sooner. That would be true if, and only if one of the following conditions is true: * The vendor of the OP's system was one of the 6-nines that provides EOL dates for both the hardware and software that they sell; * The OP's job entails providing 7/24 hour support for Windows; The typical end-user does not know that both hardware and software comes with EOL dates, much less has any idea when those dates will occur. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 4/22/2014 11:06 AM, Urmas wrote: For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between the various editions of the same version of MSO. There are also file layout differences between the different versions of MSO. There are also file layout differences between the different localizations of MSO. IOW, in the last 23 years, more than 500 different file formats have used one of three names that Microsoft uses for its Word file format product. That scenario is repeated for every item in the Microsoft Office Product category. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Documentation
2014-04-23 23:49 GMT+02:00 Dale Erwin : > I was searching via google for LO documentation and I found > "WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf". However, when I clicked on it, I received a > document with 468 blank pages. > > This was the URL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/ > 3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf > I suspect a corrupted download, as the file is fine here. Check that the file you downloaded is ~12MB (12 229 962 bytes). You can even go further and check the CRC (672C5CCC), but the size is usually enough to detect an accidental download fluke. -- Cley Faye -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Documentation
I was searching via google for LO documentation and I found "WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf". However, when I clicked on it, I received a document with 468 blank pages. This was the URL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/35/WG40-WriterGuideLO.pdf Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Original Message Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:10:24 -0400 From: Virgil Arrington To: James Knott James Knott wrote, > > I run openSUSE Linux on my computers and have for several years. It's > generally possible to to an upgrade as new versions come out. I'm thinking of installing Mint Debian to my (now defuct XP) desktop. I understand it's a rolling release, which should me continuous ongoing support. At least now I have an extra computer to experiment with and become even more familiar with that lovely little penguin. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Agreed, Jay. I learned about the XP support expiration on the evening news a few months ago. Until then, it never occurred to me that M$ would stop supporting its OS. That thought wasn't on my radar screen, which probably (and fairly) says more about me and my (lack of) computer knowledge than it does M$. But, I find it truly offensive when M$ ceases to support XP and then suggests that I buy a new computer so that I can have 8.1. I would buy a Mac before doing that. Virgil > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:09:34 -0400 > From: jsloz...@gmail.com > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...] > > > On 04/23/2014 09:36 AM, Brian Barker wrote: > > At 07:57 23/04/2014 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> ... Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will > >> expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such > >> warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. > > > > That's odd. You may want to bookmark > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle for future > > reference. Apparently XP was originally intended to expire at the end > > of 2011 - ten years after its release - but this was postponed in 2007 > > to this month. So whenever you purchased it, you would have expected > > expiration either now or much sooner. > > > > (Er, no: I am not taking sides. But I do like to see arguments being > > based on evidence.) > > > > Brian Barker > > > I think the real point is the MS is not providing a reasonable upgrade > for many users. Both in terms of cost and ease. Many with XP can not run > W8 at all and have three options: continue to use XP, replace the > computer which is still working, or replace the OS with a Linux distro. > Since most Linux distros are free, replacing XP with Linux is the > cheapest option and viable for many. Also, there is no direct upgrade > path from XP to W7 and I assume this is true for W8 also. Thus, XP has > to installed first then it is wiped out by the new OS which means all > the applications and data must be reinstalled (after first saving the > data). > > Virgil noted he knew about the expiration of XP which is not the real issue. > > -- > Jay Lozier > jsloz...@gmail.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: RE: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Brian, Thank you for the clarification. I do want to be fair, even in my anger. My apologies to M$ concerning notice of the expiration of XP. That said, as a typical Windows user, it never occurred to me to go to a Microsoft website to determine the lifecycle for XP. When I bought my computer, it never occurred to me that Windows versions even had expiration dates and there was certainly nothing in the information provided me with the computer to indicate that. Again, not necessarily blaming M$ for the lack of information, just saying I never saw it when purchasing my computer. By contrast, I obtained Ubuntu by downloading it. That process inherently took me to the 12.04LTS website where I could clearly and easily see Ubuntu's plans for 12.04. This doesn't make the Canonical folks more virtuous than M$, but for my experience, it made for clearer information up front. Virgil > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:36:03 +0100 > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > From: b.m.bar...@btinternet.com > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...] > > At 07:57 23/04/2014 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >... Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will > >expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such > >warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. > > That's odd. You may want to bookmark > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle for future > reference. Apparently XP was originally intended to expire at the end > of 2011 - ten years after its release - but this was postponed in > 2007 to this month. So whenever you purchased it, you would have > expected expiration either now or much sooner. > > (Er, no: I am not taking sides. But I do like to see arguments being > based on evidence.) > > Brian Barker > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi. A work colleague just tried Zorin (http://zorin-os.com/) as a replacement on a laptop. Look and feel sooo similar to Win and uses Ubuntu repositories. The download will run as a live disc to check out all your hardware will work. Worked well, a little fiddle with the wifi, but in all a good replacement. Steve On 2014-04-23 23:57, Virgil Arrington wrote: It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED "X" on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered "at risk." M$ was kind enough to provide a link to "End of Support Guidance." To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas wrote: "anne-ology" MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] paste into the edit box
John R. Sowden wrote: re: alternatives, this is how I use it-might apply to others: Pay credit card on line Copy verification number from web site paste verification number to an empty cell change font from not free sans to free sans copy updated cell with verification number (cannot add to exiting cell with payment description without deleting existing data) Yes, you can. Double-click on the cell to switch to edit mode (or press F2, for those preferring the keyboard), position cursor where you want to add text, right-click (or Edit menu) > Paste. This also pastes as unformatted, so you don't even need faff around changing the font if the cell is already formatted as you want it. click on cell where verification number will be appended to description click on input line go to Edit->Paste to paste verification number to cell data press enter empty cell with verification number only If I've understood correctly, I think that routine could be: - Pay credit card on line - Copy verification number from web site - Double-click on cell where verification number will be appended to description (or click in the input line if you prefer, but then you have to use Edit > Paste since there is no right-click menu) - Position cursor at the end of the existing content (or wherever you want it) - Right click and paste I agree-it's not a big deal-there are more important issues. Thanks to all, John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Alex Thurgood wrote: > The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code, so > they got rid of it, simple as that - they certainly didn't care whether > people who had started using the "original" product, the one that gave > birth both to OOo and LO, over 10 years ago would still want that file > format supported - "data guarantee" I hear you say ? Bah, humbug. > Clearly a case of :"if you're not working on the codebase, we're not > listening to you, lalalala, sticks fingers in ears..." > > There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to > support those binary sd* file types, but it was a hefty chunk of code to > get rid of from the code base, and met the goal of reducing "code clutter". > Hi Alex, au contraire. There were a ton of things broken with the binary filter code. Most importantly, it was a snapshot copy of loads of the application and filter code (some 140 kLOC in total), left to rot & unmaintained many years before LibreOffice started. Also, for just the StarOffice 1.0-5.0 import functionality, it came at a rather huge footprint to (every!) LibreOffice download (some 10MB or so for the download, some 20MB or so per install). That thing really was beyond hope, and IMO it would have been a very non-smart investment to encourage developers to even keep it on life support any longer. It's not that the project has infinite developer resources, and there are many others things that need attention. > Then the LO project had the gall to sign itself up to some document > format project that will claim to support all those old document > formats...hahaha, the irony of it all... > I miss the irony. Those filters pride themselves not to hold internal copies of Corel Draw, Visio etc etc application code, but rather provide clean, minimal, import-only filters. The door is wide open to implement StarOffice binary format importers there. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?
It looked to me like Brian had a good handle, and that I had missed something. I think if I followed what he was saying, the key is to put in a manual break first, and I must have missed that. Regards, On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, anne-ology wrote: >Dale ... Nino ... & others in the know - > >Please explain how this works - > I think I've been doing it wrong; > your methods sound to be a shortcut which sure would keep the > pages in line. > >Thanking you now, I'll be eagerly awaiting further details along > this line, > > > > From: Dale Erwin > Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual > page break changes all pages? > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > > > On 4/22/2014 7:35 AM, Nino Novak wrote: > > On 21.04.2014 22:30, Dale Erwin wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create >>> sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from >>> right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a >>> page >>> style called "Title", marked as right page only and set the next page >>> style >>> to "Copyright". I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next >>> style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page >>> only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style >>> to >>> left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a >>> loop, >>> and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the >>> option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use >>> lower >>> case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering >>> at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page >>> break. >>> >> Isn't what you describe exactly creating sections (even if you call it >> "page >> break with changing style" or whatever)? >> >> Nino >> > > I should hope not. On the Insert menu there is an option for Manual Break > and an option for Section. Why would that be considered the same thing? > And, if it is, why are two options necessary? > > Dale Erwin > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Kevin B. O'Brien zwiln...@gmail.com http://google.me/+kevinobrien Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] with all due thanks ...
... for your explanation. You're a true gentleman. From: pete nikolic Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: anne-ology On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:53:41 -0500 anne-ology wrote: >I do NOT appreciate being mis-quoted; >I was responding to that Urmas who made the inane MSFT comments. > >If you were to read the whole bit, ... ... ... >but I guess that goes against common sense :-( > >Out of the 2 sentences below, the first is part of my initial > response to the initial questioner; > the second is part of the response by that Urmas. > > Hi Anne-ology Think what i sent may have gotten in the wrong place somehow it was aimed at URMAS not you sorry if it landed incorrectly .. Pete .. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Urmas wrote: >> Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. > > It was called StarOffice back then. StarOffice became OpenOffice. LibreOffice split off from OpenOffice when Oracle took over. IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported are the ancient StarOffice ones. LibreOffice still supports the original OpenOffice sx* formats. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?
Dale ... Nino ... & others in the know - Please explain how this works - I think I've been doing it wrong; your methods sound to be a shortcut which sure would keep the pages in line. Thanking you now, I'll be eagerly awaiting further details along this line, From: Dale Erwin Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages? To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 4/22/2014 7:35 AM, Nino Novak wrote: On 21.04.2014 22:30, Dale Erwin wrote: > > [...] > > I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create >> sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from >> right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a >> page >> style called "Title", marked as right page only and set the next page >> style >> to "Copyright". I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next >> style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page >> only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style >> to >> left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a >> loop, >> and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the >> option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use >> lower >> case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering >> at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page >> break. >> > Isn't what you describe exactly creating sections (even if you call it > "page > break with changing style" or whatever)? > > Nino > I should hope not. On the Insert menu there is an option for Manual Break and an option for Section. Why would that be considered the same thing? And, if it is, why are two options necessary? Dale Erwin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Found a solution
Hi :) Transferring templates seems to have a lot of issues! Thanks for helping with 1 issue that no-one else seems to have noticed so far! As it happens the problem with this template this time seems to be a macro issue but hopefully your answer will help other people in the future now it's in the archives and has reached other people here. Many thanks and congrats for finding this! Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 00:58, Ulana Decyk wrote: > Good evening, > > I am not sure that I have the correct email address for this issue. > > I see many people looking to transfer the normal.dot from Windows > Microsoft Word, or normal.dotm from Word for Mac. > > By accident I found a way to do this and would like to pass this > information along. I hope this helps alleviate a lot of frustration with > this issue. > > Ulana > > > > To transfer normal.dot or normal.dotm to Libreoffice in Ubuntu- > > Put copy of normal.dot in your documents folder in Ubuntu. > > Rename to mytexts.bau > > Open LibreOffice. > > Go to Edit AutoText > > Go to My Autotexts > > To the right select auto text drop menu and select import. > > Search for mytexts.bau and it will start to import. > > Voila! Over 500 of our autotext entries transferred beautifully! > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) There will be a lot of pranks and malware aimed at Xp users offering them free upgrades and what-not. Apparently it has already started. Just ignore them all. Wrt "MS Security Essentials" best bet is to install AVG (apparently best of the free anti-viruses (but according to who, right?)) or one of the many other choices and after updating it and scanning your machine then uninstall MS Essentials. I just did this on the office machines last night. As far as your Xp machine goes i would install a dual-boot there now too and just try to avoid using Xp as much as posible on it. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS has 3 years worth of support remaining and was released 2 years ago in 2012. The 14.04 LTS was released a couple of days ago so it has only just started it's 5 years worth of support. The 16.04 is due out in 2016. So, on your 12.04 you should get a notification letting you know you can upgrade. When/if you decline then you wont see it again for maybe a month, when they release their first "Service Pack". Generally i would go with Garvin's usual advice and hold off on upgrading for a while. I have just tried it on a couple of machines and it seems kinda fine but i'm going to let them settle for a while before rolling it out to all the rest. Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 13:42, Jay Lozier wrote: > > On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've >> tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I >> still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I >> have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using >> Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need >> Windows. >> >> But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly >> unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop >> that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting >> *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. >> Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED "X" on my Security Essentials icon. I >> clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I >> knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work >> properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered "at >> risk." M$ was kind enough to provide a link to "End of Support Guidance." >> >> To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The >> website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 >> and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, >> then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. >> The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No >> thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to >> see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I >> declined their offer to have my PC checked. >> >> Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more >> comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still >> have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and >> completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their >> time to support it anyway. >> >> Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no >> longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu >> clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know >> going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased >> my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, >> Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they >> don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, >> Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. >> >> Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read >> on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over >> to the dark side. >> >> Give me penguins. >> >> Virgil >> >> +1 > > >> >> >> >> >> On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >>> Hi :) >>> Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but >>> OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 >>> different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different >>> from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. >>> >>> The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each >>> different version of MS Office. >>> >>> MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS >>> Office 2007. >>> Regards from >>> Tom :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas wrote: >>> >>> "anne-ology" MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-m
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) You can use Nabble to share the document. Use any of the links in this email but it's better practice to go to the official LIbreOffice website and navigate through "Get Help" - Nabble - Users - errr, and then find your thread, you might need to register at the site when you start to write a reply there are various buttons above the "Message" box. The last of these is "More" and that gives a small drop-down menu. Top item is "Upload a file" which works roughly the same way as uploading an attachment to an email except that it puts a line of html code into the message. You can move the whole line of code around. Macros are a problem. To move these to LibreOffice you need someone to rewrite the code. This mailing list has been able to help a few people with this in the past but it's not really what we are here for. You might need to find someone who has some coding skills elsewhere. Luckily LibreOffice seems to be able to handle macros written in a few different popular languages. Also once the code has been re-written to work in LibreOffice then it's unlikely to need to be re-written after that. Moving to a new version of MS Office, such as the 2007 or 2010 would also need the code to be re-written and it seems that each version of MS Office makes changes so that re-write would probably need to be re-written again in the future or for different versions of MS Office. One of the problems with the MS version of macros, is that macros have often been used as an attack vector. So much so that newer versions of MS Office have a security pop-up alerting the user to possibly dangerous code being run on their machine and asking if they really trust the source of the macro. So, either way it looks like you need to get the macros re-written. However i get the feeling that your macro does something that might be better done by an Extension/Add-on/Plug-in and doing that might make it more robust. Hopefully someone else on this mailing list might be able to give a better idea about the feasibility of this idea after seeing the code and/or what it does. Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CONVERTING-A-MICROSOFT-TEMPLATE-TO-BE-USED-WITH-LIBRE-OFFICE-tp4106036p4106138.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
Jay Lozier wrote: > Also, there is no direct upgrade path from XP to W7 and I assume this > is true for W8 also. I run openSUSE Linux on my computers and have for several years. It's generally possible to to an upgrade as new versions come out. I recently upgraded my motherboard & hard drive (old drive was IDE and new MB only supports SATA), as the old MB was getting slow. I just copied my system to the new drive and then moved to the new motherboard and it works fine. With Linux, drivers also tend to be supported much longer than in Windows, so that old hardware will generally continue to work just fine. For example, I have an Epson scanner, which I bought several years ago. It worked with both Linux and XP. However, while it still works fine in Linux, I cannot use it with Windows 7, as the drivers are not available for it. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
On 04/23/2014 09:36 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 07:57 23/04/2014 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: ... Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. That's odd. You may want to bookmark http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle for future reference. Apparently XP was originally intended to expire at the end of 2011 - ten years after its release - but this was postponed in 2007 to this month. So whenever you purchased it, you would have expected expiration either now or much sooner. (Er, no: I am not taking sides. But I do like to see arguments being based on evidence.) Brian Barker I think the real point is the MS is not providing a reasonable upgrade for many users. Both in terms of cost and ease. Many with XP can not run W8 at all and have three options: continue to use XP, replace the computer which is still working, or replace the OS with a Linux distro. Since most Linux distros are free, replacing XP with Linux is the cheapest option and viable for many. Also, there is no direct upgrade path from XP to W7 and I assume this is true for W8 also. Thus, XP has to installed first then it is wiped out by the new OS which means all the applications and data must be reinstalled (after first saving the data). Virgil noted he knew about the expiration of XP which is not the real issue. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]
At 07:57 23/04/2014 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote: ... Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. That's odd. You may want to bookmark http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle for future reference. Apparently XP was originally intended to expire at the end of 2011 - ten years after its release - but this was postponed in 2007 to this month. So whenever you purchased it, you would have expected expiration either now or much sooner. (Er, no: I am not taking sides. But I do like to see arguments being based on evidence.) Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED "X" on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered "at risk." M$ was kind enough to provide a link to "End of Support Guidance." To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil +1 On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas wrote: "anne-ology" MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED "X" on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered "at risk." M$ was kind enough to provide a link to "End of Support Guidance." To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas wrote: "anne-ology" MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 10:24 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote: > The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code Hated it with a passion is probably a better description than "didn't like" - that code screwed us over and held us back very significantly. It was a cut/paste of almost (which is part of the problem, the shared code was really hard to change) the entirety of an ancient version of the code-base, and a disaster in a box from so many aspects - whether security, maintainability, binary download size, etc. etc. > so they got rid of it Whoot :-) > There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to > support those binary sd* file types I beg to differ =) That it mostly still worked doesn't mean it was not fundamentally broken in many ways that are not immediately visible to those not involved with the code particularly around its design and architecture. > Well, thank you for listening to my little rant for today, I'll crawl > back under that rock I call LibreOffice QA, ROFLMAO. Heh - so, the solution to this problem is (IMNSHO) to work on the new libreveng versions of these filters to (at least initially) rescue the core data, and ultimately the full feature set in less code, and inside a much cleaner and more maintainable infrastructure. Its not such difficult work even - it doesn't even require re-building the main LibreOffice code (just that particular smallish filter), and I'm sure Fridrich & co. would love help there if newbie developers want to get involved. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Why new page style after manual page break changes all pages?
Am 23.04.2014 02:54, schrieb Dale Erwin: > On 4/22/2014 7:35 AM, Nino Novak wrote: >> On 21.04.2014 22:30, Dale Erwin wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> I have never had this problem and have never had the need to create >>> sections. Maybe it's because I always use page styles alternating from >>> right page to left page and back. For instance, I begin a book with a page >>> style called "Title", marked as right page only and set the next page style >>> to "Copyright". I set the Copyright style to left page only and the next >>> style as FrontMatterRight. I set the FrontMatterRight style to right page >>> only and next style as FrontMatterLeft and set the FrontMatterLeft style to >>> left page only and next style to FrontMatterRight. This puts me in a loop, >>> and to break out of the loop I insert a manual page break and check the >>> option to change the style. I also set the FrontMatter styles to use lower >>> case roman numerals for page numbering and I can change the page numbering >>> at the same time as I break out of the loop with the insert manual page >>> break. >> Isn't what you describe exactly creating sections (even if you call it "page >> break with changing style" or whatever)? >> >> Nino > > I should hope not. On the Insert menu there is an option for Manual Break > and an option for Section. Why would that be considered the same thing? > And, if it is, why are two options necessary? Oh sorry, this was a translation problem: the German word for "section" can be the same as for "range", so here I rather meant "range": If you go over "Insert - Manual break" you can create a *range* of pages with a certain style (not a section which indeed is something different). Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Le 22/04/2014 20:06, Urmas a écrit : > Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. > Urmas, you are right. Yes, I too, remember a guarantee made by the LibreOffice project on its inception to "future-proof" one's data against arbitrary changes in file format or vendor support...funny how the wheel turns isn't it ? The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code, so they got rid of it, simple as that - they certainly didn't care whether people who had started using the "original" product, the one that gave birth both to OOo and LO, over 10 years ago would still want that file format supported - "data guarantee" I hear you say ? Bah, humbug. Clearly a case of :"if you're not working on the codebase, we're not listening to you, lalalala, sticks fingers in ears..." There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to support those binary sd* file types, but it was a hefty chunk of code to get rid of from the code base, and met the goal of reducing "code clutter". Then the LO project had the gall to sign itself up to some document format project that will claim to support all those old document formats...hahaha, the irony of it all... In many respects, some open source projects are no better than closed source ones where their management and communication is concerned. Inept is inept, spin is spin, marketing is marketing - beauty is in the eye of the holder, so to speak. Well, thank you for listening to my little rant for today, I'll crawl back under that rock I call LibreOffice QA, ROFLMAO. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
At 22:32 22/04/2014 -0700, Herman Konly wrote: Documents converted and the following log file is generated: [...] Normal.dot Normal.ott Document macro has to be revised. That's probably the best you can do without editing your template further yourself - in particular its contained macro(s). Within MS Office, this template is available under > View > Toolbars and when selected it adds it as a Toolbar, however in Office Writer I cannot find it here. There is - at least, potentially - a New Document From Template button in the Standard toolbar. If you don't see it, click the down-arrow at the right end of this toolbar and select Visible Buttons > | New Document From Template. It should stick. Alternative ways to get at a template are: o File | New > | Templates and Documents (as you mention) o Down-arrow next to the New button in the Standard toolbar | Templates and Documents o Templates... from the start screen o Set your template as the default and then just open a new text document o (If you are using Windows) Right-click the Quickstarter icon in the System Tray | From Template... I have tried running a Macro > Tools > Macros > Run Macro but the requires to install Java runtime, which I did, but still cannot find my template to execute. No: your template is not a macro, though it apparently contains macros. Attached the template. Attached files are generally not distributed by the list processor, so no-one except the two explicit addressees of your message will have seen this. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
