Re: [libreoffice-users] PDFs

2014-12-31 Thread Hedley Finger
Adobe originally intended PDF to be a colour fax format for sending
documents to others. It was also intended to be a universal printable
format so that recipients did not need the sender's software (OgreOffice,
PubCrawler, or whatever) to print the output of the sender's program.

Regards,
Hedley

On 1 January 2015 at 02:20, Oogie McGuire oog...@desertweyr.com wrote:

 In my case PDFs are one of the best most portable file formats. I use them
 extensively for anything I scan and save. I never expect anyone to edit
 PDFs I create but I often get editable ones as forms that I fill out and
 save and send back. Best is that even old versions of the files can be read
 by new versions of the SW. It's a perfect archiving format.

 As for encryption, that also works well.

 I've never seen the excess blank pages or wide margins unless the person
 set it up that way.

 As others have mentioned, PDF is a print format and not really meant to be
 editable in the same sense an ODT file is.
 .
 On Dec 30, 2014, at 8:50 AM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

  rom a PDF file, there's a lot of blank pages, gobbledegook,
  extraneous lines criss-crossing, as well as extremely wide margins - all
 of
  which not only wastes paper but makes for a quite messy printed page(s).
 
So other than those who think they're ecrypting the data why does
  anyone use a program which makes such a mess

 Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
 Desert Weyr, LLC - Black Welsh Mountain Sheep http://www.desertweyr.com/
 LambTracker - Open Source SW for Shepherds http://www.lambtracker.com
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[libreoffice-users] Saving intermediate drafts of bug reports in Bugzilla

2014-12-18 Thread Hedley Finger
I am currently writing up my recent complaints about the handling of
graphics in Calc as an enhancement request bug report.

Is there any way I can save a report as a draft without publishing it so
that I can work on it in sessions rather than complete it all at once?

I know you guys and gals will come through!

Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: image anchoring

2014-12-17 Thread Hedley Finger
Cor:

I am not duplicating bug 67712, which refers to graphics objects moving or
disappearing after saving, closing, and re-opening only. I experienced that
but also the problems when PASTING and IMPORTING a graphics object/file as
reported. I guess I could try to locate my bug report and change it to a
feature request.

Regards,
Hedley

On 17 December 2014 at 18:12, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:

 Hedley Finger wrote on 17-12-14 04:09:
  The original message might be very old but the problems I have including
  graphics in Calc sheets is ongoing and VERY recent.

 Probably this one
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67712

 Regards,
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[libreoffice-users] Calc: Hedley's adventures trying to embed graphics stably with cell character anchors

2014-12-17 Thread Hedley Finger
All:

Tom reminded me that I have previously posted about the problems of
graphics in Calc. If anybody is interested in reading this long boring
history, here it is. This saga will now be posted in bugzilla.

Regards,
Hedley


Hedley Finger hedley.fin...@gmail.com  17 December 201410:16 (10 hours
ago)

to Tom, rfithen, users
All:
​
 Why not stay with the advantages of LibreOffice instead of trying to make
 it as hideous as MS Office!!?

​Can MS Office be more hideous than this?

I decided to make a small database of bicycle spare parts in Calc, in which
I would include a photo of each part as it's easier to scan a printout for
a picture than look up words.

Copying a graphic file from Gimp, etc. (or even another cell) and pasting
into a cell produces these results:

   - the anchor may be in the selected cell, or it could be to the sheet,
   or in the cell above, or the cell to the left
   - the cell must not only be selected (heavy border) but in direct
   text-entry mode to have any hope of pasting into the cell, otherwise the
   graphic will be anchored to the sheet for sure.

​You can change the anchor so that the graphic is equivalent to a
character, with these results:

   - if you hide the column in which the graphic character is located, the
   graphic is still visible, but it should be hidden like all the other text
   characters in that column. In fact, they are not only not hidden but they
   obscure the contents of the neighbouring visible (= non-hidden) cells
   - the same goes for hiding rows
   - if you resize the cell, the graphic overlaps into neighbouring cells,
   unlike what would happen if it were a real text character or string, which
   gets masked off at the borders.​

​The database file is located in the same folder as the graphic files. This
is important because the graphics are imported by reference, i.e. the
graphics are loaded when the Calc file is opened. Except some aren't but
are randomly not loaded.​

​I was the point of submitting a bug report when I lost all the content and
didn't have the motivation to redo it all.​ Time to copy this email into a
new bug report.

Regards,
Hedley

P.S.
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LibreOffice 4.2.7.2 (420m0(Build:2))


Hedley Finger hedley.fin...@gmail.com
29 Aug

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LibreOffice Calc, Version: 4.2.4.2, Build ID: 420m0(Build:2)
Ubuntu 14.04.01 LTS, Tardy Tahr

Has anyone ever successfully ...

   - embedded graphics in cells
   - imported graphics as links in cells
   - resized them
   - saved, closed, and reopened the spreadsheet

... and have the graphics still anchored in their original cells (not the
cell above or to the side, or to the sheet), and have them stay at the same
resize?​

Because I haven't and it really sh*ts me!

Any suggestions? I am trying to keep a spreadsheet of bicycle parts with
pictures, pricing, etc. and having little success.

Regards,
Hedley


Hedley Finger hedley.fin...@gmail.com
12 Mar 2014

to LibreOffice
I have created a spreadsheet as a rudimentary parts database.

One column is devoted to photographs of each part. If I copy a graphic from
Windows Preview or other graphics program, select  cell, and then paste
into it, the anchor of the graphic is to the cell one left and one up from
the target cell, i.e. the diagonal cell.

If I select a cell and import a graphic file into it, the top LH corner of
the graphic coincides with that of the cell. I then resize the graphic to
fit it. But the graphic is anchored to the page not the selected cell, so I
have to right-click the selected graphic and choose Anchor  To Cell.

If a cell is selected, is it too much to expect that an imported or pasted
graphic will be anchored to the cell? Does anybody know how to make the
graphic anchor to the target cell without further fiddling?

From time to time I select one or more rows to paste into another tab in
the spreadsheet to make a purchase order or an invoice. Because the row and
column boundaries in the new grid are evenly spaced, the graphics distort
and become vertically elongated. Typically the anchor also moves to the
cell diagonally upper and left of the home cell too. Or the anchor moves to
the cell above or below.

After experimenting with resizing the row and column boundaries of a cell
containing a graphic, it appears that a graphic squashes along one axis
when the size of that dimension becomes less than the dimension of the
graphic. Is there some setting that allows a graphic to stay anchored to
its home cell and remain at its size while the row and cell dimensions are
fixed up?

Why can't graphics resize proportionally when the cell dimensions change?
Why can't anchors stay in one place? If you wanted to move an anchor, you
could click on the graphic to make the anchor visible, then drag the anchor
to where you wanted it to go.

Has anyone else suffered this behaviour? It's hard to believe graphics
positioning in mature software could continue to be this bad.

Regards,
Hedley

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: image anchoring

2014-12-16 Thread Hedley Finger
All:
​
 Why not stay with the advantages of LibreOffice instead of trying to make
 it as hideous as MS Office!!?

​Can MS Office be more hideous than this?

I decided to make a small database of bicycle spare parts in Calc, in which
I would include a photo of each part as it's easier to scan a printout for
a picture than look up words.

Copying a graphic file from Gimp, etc. (or even another cell) and pasting
into a cell produces these results:

   - the anchor may be in the selected cell, or it could be to the sheet,
   or in the cell above, or the cell to the left
   - the cell must not only be selected (heavy border) but in direct
   text-entry mode to have any hope of pasting into the cell, otherwise the
   graphic will be anchored to the sheet for sure.

​You can change the anchor so that the graphic is equivalent to a
character, with these results:

   - if you hide the column in which the graphic character is located, the
   graphic is still visible, but it should be hidden like all the other text
   characters in that column. In fact, they are not only not hidden but they
   obscure the contents of the neighbouring visible (= non-hidden) cells
   - the same goes for hiding rows
   - if you resize the cell, the graphic overlaps into neighbouring cells,
   unlike what would happen if it were a real text character or string, which
   gets masked off at the borders.​

​The database file is located in the same folder as the graphic files. This
is important because the graphics are imported by reference, i.e. the
graphics are loaded when the Calc file is opened. Except some aren't but
are randomly not loaded.​

​I was the point of submitting a bug report when I lost all the content and
didn't have the motivation to redo it all.​ Time to copy this email into a
new bug report.

Regards,
Hedley

P.S.
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr
LibreOffice 4.2.7.2 (420m0(Build:2))

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: image anchoring

2014-12-16 Thread Hedley Finger
The original message might be very old but the problems I have including
graphics in Calc sheets is ongoing and VERY recent.

Regards,
Hedley

On 17 December 2014 at 10:16, Hedley Finger hedley.fin...@gmail.com wrote:

 All:
 ​
  Why not stay with the advantages of LibreOffice instead of trying to
 make
  it as hideous as MS Office!!?

 ​Can MS Office be more hideous than this?

 I decided to make a small database of bicycle spare parts in Calc, in
 which I would include a photo of each part as it's easier to scan a
 printout for a picture than look up words.

 Copying a graphic file from Gimp, etc. (or even another cell) and pasting
 into a cell produces these results:

- the anchor may be in the selected cell, or it could be to the sheet,
or in the cell above, or the cell to the left
- the cell must not only be selected (heavy border) but in direct
text-entry mode to have any hope of pasting into the cell, otherwise the
graphic will be anchored to the sheet for sure.

 ​You can change the anchor so that the graphic is equivalent to a
 character, with these results:

- if you hide the column in which the graphic character is located,
the graphic is still visible, but it should be hidden like all the other
text characters in that column. In fact, they are not only not hidden but
they obscure the contents of the neighbouring visible (= non-hidden) cells
- the same goes for hiding rows
- if you resize the cell, the graphic overlaps into neighbouring
cells, unlike what would happen if it were a real text character or string,
which gets masked off at the borders.​

 ​The database file is located in the same folder as the graphic files.
 This is important because the graphics are imported by reference, i.e. the
 graphics are loaded when the Calc file is opened. Except some aren't but
 are randomly not loaded.​

 ​I was the point of submitting a bug report when I lost all the content
 and didn't have the motivation to redo it all.​ Time to copy this email
 into a new bug report.

 Regards,
 Hedley

 P.S.
 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Trusty Tahr
 LibreOffice 4.2.7.2 (420m0(Build:2))

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?

2014-09-30 Thread Hedley Finger
Aha! I think I have solved the terminology problem!

For many working on the LO project, English is their second language.*
Clearly, when terms were being proposed, someone misheard, which why is why
the two forks were not named “Fresh and “Stale.

Rearguards,
Hedley

* I have only one language and even that is not too flash.

Typed laboriously on my Galaxy S2
On 01/10/2014 4:01 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 9/30/2014 10:40 AM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
  Le 30/09/2014 16:12, Tanstaafl a écrit :
  variation) - ie, 'Stable', 'Testing', 'Development' - is what is
 ridiculous.

  But those doesn't exist anywhere else, because we are not producing a
  distro but a desktop software and the concept is completely different.
  And yet, this is something that you don't want to ear.

 Not at all... it is nothing to do with my not wanting to hear anything.

 The end result software is completely different, but the concept is
 *identical*.

 All you need to do to confirm this is read what you (the proponents of
 these silly/ridiculous newly invented terms 'Fresh' and 'Still') say to
 *describe* these terms to see this.

 Saying otherwise is totally disengenuous.

  Use STANDARD terms, then precisely define THOSE.

  Which are certainly not stable, testing and development.

 Seriously? If you truly believe this, then you have never done any
 software development.

  If you really insist on having two different 'Stable' branches, then
  name them something like 'Stable-New' and 'Stable-Old' or something else
  that makes much more sense than 'Still' or 'Fresh.

  Then, do you think that those two stable won't confuse the users?

 Some, yes, but *far* *far* less than 'Still' and 'Fresh', nd it will be
 much easier to explain the difference.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Making horizontal lines in Writer

2014-09-23 Thread Hedley Finger
I don't have access to LO right now but seem to recall that you could
associate lines with tabs and tab positions. (Or was that FrameMaker?)

Hedley

Typed laboriously on my Galaxy S2
On 24/09/2014 11:04 AM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote:

How about simply using the underline-key to make each line?;
well, that's how I make lines  ;-)



 From: J. Van Brimmer jerry...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Making horizontal lines in Writer
 To: libreoffice users@global.libreoffice.org


 Thanks Cley,

 I didn't think about the pdf route. That just may well work. I did try
 sending an .odt to the secretary, same peoblem. When she opened it, some of
 the lines were missing. I'll try pdfs next.

 Thanks!



 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:

  I don't know how well it transition to .doc files, but my approach to
 make
  answer lines is the following:
  - create a new paragraph style (let's call it Answer Zone)
  - change the style spacing so that there is no extra space before/after
 the
  paragraph
  - change the style border to be a single line at the bottom, and disable
  the checkbox that merge the borders between paragraphs
 
  ...after typing this, I just checked, and that's roughly what the ---\r
  route is doing. Damn. The issues seems to be that the Merge with next
  paragraph option either doesn't exist in .doc format, or isn't carried
  over correctly. And no more luck with docx.
 
  Some sort of solution for your issue could be to just send the odt
 (recent
  version of MS Office can read them, YMMV), or directly send the PDF,
 which
  is clearly the best option if the recipient of your document will not
 have
  to modify it, only to view/print it.
 
  --
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  http://cleyfaye.net
 
  2014-09-24 0:27 GMT+02:00 J. Van Brimmer jerry...@gmail.com:
 
   I'm using 4.3.1.2 on Xubuntu Linux.
  
   I am creating some lesson handouts for a class I'm going to be
 teaching.
  I
   have to email them to our secretary, who has to read them in MS Office
  for
   printing.
   ​
   The ​documents are formatted in landscape mode.
  
   In the document I enter a short text line, press Enter, then I type in
   three dashes, press Enter, and waula, I have a horizontal line for the
   students to  write their answers on.
   ​Sometimes I continue pressing Enter to automatically create as many
  lines
   as I need.
   ​
   This works fine as ling as I stay in .odt format. But if I save the
   document in .doc format, and then open the .doc file in LibreOffice,
 some
   of the horizontal lines are missing. I have tried everything I can
 think
   of, but I can't get all of the lines to stick from .odt to .doc
 format.
  
   I have read the Help page here:
   https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Drawing_Lines_in_Text
   ​ .
   But ​those tips don't work either.
  
   ​I am being forced to work in Win​broke using BS Word. Help!
  
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[libreoffice-users] Calc: embedding/linking graphics to cell

2014-08-28 Thread Hedley Finger
LibreOffice Calc, Version: 4.2.4.2, Build ID: 420m0(Build:2)
Ubuntu 14.04.01 LTS, Tardy Tahr

Has anyone ever successfully ...

   1. embedded graphics in cells
   2. imported graphics as links in cells
   3. resized them
   4. saved, closed, and reopened the spreadsheet

... and have the graphics still anchored in their original cells (not the
cell above or to the side, or to the sheet), and have them stay at the same
resize?​

Because I haven't and it really sh*ts me!

Any suggestions? I am trying to keep a spreadsheet of bicycle parts with
pictures, pricing, etc. and having little success.

Regards,
Hedley

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[libreoffice-users] Still Fresh on the nose

2014-08-07 Thread Hedley Finger
I haven't been to the LibreOffice site for a while, so was startled to find
I could download my choice of Still or Fresh.

What happened to dev, alpha, beta, release candidate, or stable versions?

People using commercial software across different operating systems have
become used to this nomenclature. Those in the open-source movement are
even more familiar with it.

So why the change? It is not even intuitive. If the aim is to make releases
more understandable to newcomers, this scheme fails badly. A case of a rose
by any other name stinks.

Regards,
Hedley “Bewildered Finger

Typed laboriously on my Galaxy S2

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Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them

2014-05-22 Thread Hedley Finger
All:Forget about text. Just try pasting/importing graphics into a
Calc cell. Anchor goes anywhere, strange things happen when you
copy and paste cell, or resize column or row intersecting with
cell. Graphics handling is so crap I can't believe these bugs
are still in the latest release.Regards,Hedley
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[libreoffice-users] FrameMaker flow management does it better

2014-05-21 Thread Hedley Finger
Bruce:Explain to the folks how FrameMaker's management of anchored
graphics does it better, and could be well emulated by the OOo
varieties. In fact, FM's xref formats, index entry formats, ToC,
LoF, LoT formats and much more should be implemented in 
OOo's.Regards,Hedley
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[libreoffice-users] Calc: Automatically sizing cells vertically to fit contents

2014-03-16 Thread Hedley Finger
I'm sure that I could set automatic sizing of cells to fit their contents
in Excel. I want them to increase in height as more text is typed into
them. Does anybody know how to do this? I searched Nabble and Help but
couldn't come up with any answers.

Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc: Automatically sizing cells vertically to fit contents

2014-03-16 Thread Hedley Finger
I have Wrap Text Automatically turned on but the cells are not increasing
in height as more text is typed.

Regards,
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On 17/03/2014 1:43 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:


 On 2014-03-17 15:29, Hedley Finger wrote:

 I'm sure that I could set automatic sizing of cells to fit their contents
 in Excel. I want them to increase in height as more text is typed into
 them. Does anybody know how to do this? I searched Nabble and Help but
 couldn't come up with any answers.

 Regards,
 Hedley

  Hi. In LO here the cell automatically re-sizes. I turn on wrap
 automatically in FormatcellsAlignment. Ctl-Entre produces a new line in a
 cell.
 Steve


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[libreoffice-users] Calc: Poor handling of graphics anchored to cells

2014-03-12 Thread Hedley Finger
I have created a spreadsheet as a rudimentary parts database.

One column is devoted to photographs of each part. If I copy a graphic from
Windows Preview or other graphics program, select  cell, and then paste
into it, the anchor of the graphic is to the cell one left and one up from
the target cell, i.e. the diagonal cell.

If I select a cell and import a graphic file into it, the top LH corner of
the graphic coincides with that of the cell. I then resize the graphic to
fit it. But the graphic is anchored to the *page* not the selected cell, so
I have to right-click the selected graphic and choose Anchor  To Cell.

If a cell is *selected*, is it too much to expect that an imported or
pasted graphic will be anchored to the cell? Does anybody know how to make
the graphic anchor to the target cell without further fiddling?

From time to time I select one or more rows to paste into another tab in
the spreadsheet to make a purchase order or an invoice. Because the row and
column boundaries in the new grid are evenly spaced, the graphics distort
and become vertically elongated. Typically the anchor also moves to the
cell diagonally upper and left of the home cell too. Or the anchor moves to
the cell above or below.

After experimenting with resizing the row and column boundaries of a cell
containing a graphic, it appears that a graphic squashes along one axis
when the size of that dimension becomes less than the dimension of the
graphic. Is there some setting that allows a graphic to stay anchored to
its home cell and remain at its size while the row and cell dimensions are
fixed up?

Why can't graphics resize proportionally when the cell dimensions change?
Why can't anchors stay in one place? If you wanted to move an anchor, you
could click on the graphic to make the anchor visible, then drag the anchor
to where you wanted it to go.

Has anyone else suffered this behaviour? It's hard to believe graphics
positioning in mature software could continue to be this bad.

Regards,
Hedley



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[libreoffice-users] Missing vcl resource solution

2013-12-14 Thread Hedley Finger
Have you experienced the Missing vcl resource. This indicates that files
vital to localization are missing. You might have a corrupt installation.
error message on launch?

Rerun the installer, click Repair, then add another language in the
cusomisation page.  The error message no longer appears when you launch
LibreOffice.

Windows 7
LibreOffice 4.1.1 upgraded to 4.1.3.2

Regards,
Hedley

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