Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) It's amazing that people have to learn how to drive and pass a test. There are so few controls. Usually a wheel or handle-bar or joystick to make the vehicle turn. Something to make it faster or slower. Maybe something to make it go up or down. So at most it's about 3 controls right? Surely that should be even more intuitive or at least easier to spot which control does what. So why all the lessons? It's crazy right? Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 20:59, A wrote: > > On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: >> >> >> As far as I can see: >> >> o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to >> characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. >> o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect >> "Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it >> does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. >> > For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of > twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now > you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose > my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure > would be nice to have some tool tips. > > Also, if "Apply Style" applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, > why not have it say "Apply Paragraph Style" so as to make it obvious and > avoid the obscurity. > > "Default Formatting" could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into > separate functions that do one thing each. > i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. > 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. > 3) Remove formatting by character styles. > > That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it > - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. > > In addition, I do NOT expect "Clear formatting" to reset the paragraph style > to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just > as it implies. I would expect "Reset Paragraph Style to Default" to reset > the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate > knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works > with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be > an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be > spelled out in a tool tip. > > >> I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes >> difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how >> formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. >> > Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been > defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the > formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! > Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden > formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. > > Just my opinions of course. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
> Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has > been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly > how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to > removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field > codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off > for viewing at will. > That would be very useful. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 7:00 am, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: > > On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: > > > > > As far as I can see: > > > > o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to > > characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. > > o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect > > "Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and > > it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as > > well. > > > For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze > of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. > Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make > me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. > It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. > > Also, if "Apply Style" applies paragraph styles and only paragraph > styles, why not have it say "Apply Paragraph Style" so as to make it > obvious and avoid the obscurity. > > "Default Formatting" could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up > into separate functions that do one thing each. > i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. > 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. > 3) Remove formatting by character styles. > > That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage > to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. > > In addition, I do NOT expect "Clear formatting" to reset the paragraph > style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the > formatting just as it implies. I would expect "Reset Paragraph Style to > Default" to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much > guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite > NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn > these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be > intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. > > > I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is > > sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - > > exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might > > be removed. > > > Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has > been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly > how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to > removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field > codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off > for viewing at will. > > Just my opinions of course. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085467.html > To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. > NAML -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect "Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if "Apply Style" applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say "Apply Paragraph Style" so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. "Default Formatting" could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect "Clear formatting" to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect "Reset Paragraph Style to Default" to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 15:34 28/11/2013 +, Tom Davies wrote: The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press "Enter" or "Return" at the end of each line. There is a workaround for that, too: select the text and go to Format | AutoCorrect > | Apply. Amongst other reformatting, this combines single line paragraphs if their length is sufficient. Since it makes other changes, you may wish to do this before performing other editing. Alternatively, you can use Format | AutoCorrect > | Apply and Edit Changes, which makes the same changes but allows you to accept them or reject them. You could accept all the "Combine paragraphs" changes (sort by Comment and select multiple actions to make this easier) and reject all the rest. This technique also applies Text Body paragraph style, but it is a simple task to change this afterwards if required. For this technique to work, you need to have ticked Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Combine single line paragraphs if length greater than nn%. You may need to modify the percentage - which you can do by selecting the option and clicking the Edit... button. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 05:25 28/11/2013 -0800, Peter West wrote: Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of "hand" formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll to the very top, there is a "Clear formatting" option, which behaves very differently from the "Clear direct formatting ^M" option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect "Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) For my company's newsletter i sometimes copy&paste into a text-editor and then re-select and copy&paste from there. Fairly recently i found i could use Shift Ctrl v and go to the bottom of the pop-up box that gives me to "Paste as unformatted text" and that usually strips away all strange formatting. The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press "Enter" or "Return" at the end of each line. I guess going back to the text-editor method might be an easier way of doing that. In the GEdit text-editor i would search for \n Even though it removes the odd 1 or 2 bits of formatting that you do want to keep i tend to find it more efficient to just get rid of the whole lot and then reapply styles (such as "Heading 3") and then maybe open the styles pop-up to edit that style. I used to pick little bits&bobs to unformat or chunks or maybe whole paragraphs but it involves much more faffing around than so doing the whole lot in one go and then sorting the headings and stuff. It might take a little while before you find the best work-flow for you. Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 13:25, pbw wrote: > Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: > > On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by >> selecting the text and hitting . Everything should then snap >> to the style-controlled formatting. >> >> Virgil > I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct > formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery > style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the > first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost > never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct > formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove > the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the > paragraph style. > It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) > Cheers, > > -- > Pablo M. Dotro > > > That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it > might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I > certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very > complex document, with few styles and lots of "hand" formatting, spaces and > newlines.) > > There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. > > If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a > "Clear formatting" option, which behaves very differently from the "Clear > direct formatting ^M" option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical > paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the > intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether > it solves the problem. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by > selecting the text and hitting . Everything should then snap > to the style-controlled formatting. > > Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Cheers, -- Pablo M. Dotro That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of "hand" formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a "Clear formatting" option, which behaves very differently from the "Clear direct formatting ^M" option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 17:45 27/11/2013 -0800, Peter West wrote:
It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature.
It's a feature - and I don't think it's missing, in fact.
The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting
which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any
styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the
direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have
found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph
style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on
to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling.
I fear that paragraph is somewhat confused. There is direct
character formatting, character style formatting, paragraph
formatting, and paragraph style formatting - all different. To
confuse things further, you can apply character formatting or
character style formatting to an entire paragraph. If you really do
solve your problem using a new paragraph style (and I'm not clear why
you would call this a "manual change"), I think you have left your
document in an ideal state for later modification by yourself or others.
How to fix it: Add Format menu items "Clear all
paragraph/character(/list?) formatting." It doesn't actually remove
all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the
problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied.
You don't need to clear any style formatting, as any modifications to
these styles or replacements by other styles will simply supersede
existing effects. What can be a problem is any local ("direct")
character formatting which may have been applied - perhaps even
(confusingly) to complete paragraphs. (This is the way that a
beginner will format his or her documents.) But no-one needs to add
any menu items: what you need is already there, at Format | Default
Formatting (or right-click | Default Formatting or Ctrl+M). If you
invoke this and then apply your new styles, everything should be hunky-dory.
List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether
a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth.
Any proper list formatting (applied using styles) should survive the
application of Default Formatting, which is what you would want.
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Interesting... yours is the only post I've seen so far. On 11/27/2013 08:29 PM, pbw wrote: I don't know, because there were elements whose particular formatting I needed. But I know that that sequence on individual paragraphs does not work, for the reasons explained by others in earlier posts in this discussion. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 28 Nov 2013, at 2:07 pm, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Would "Select All" (CTRL-A), Menu->Format->Clear Direct Formatting (CTRL-M) not work for you? On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items "Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting." It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085305.html To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
I don't know, because there were elements whose particular formatting I needed. But I know that that sequence on individual paragraphs does not work, for the reasons explained by others in earlier posts in this discussion. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 28 Nov 2013, at 2:07 pm, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: > Would "Select All" (CTRL-A), Menu->Format->Clear Direct Formatting > (CTRL-M) not work for you? > > On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: > > > It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. > > > > The problem: > > > > If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been > > applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and > > apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously > > applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a > > manual > > change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes > > the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph > > styling. > > > > I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but > > the > > principle seems to apply everywhere. > > > > How to fix it: > > Add Format menu items "Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting." > > It > > doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which > > clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. > > > > List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear > > all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html > > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085305.html > To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Would "Select All" (CTRL-A), Menu->Format->Clear Direct Formatting (CTRL-M) not work for you? On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items "Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting." It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items "Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting." It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
