[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Cheers, -- Pablo M. Dotro That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) For my company's newsletter i sometimes copypaste into a text-editor and then re-select and copypaste from there. Fairly recently i found i could use Shift Ctrl v and go to the bottom of the pop-up box that gives me to Paste as unformatted text and that usually strips away all strange formatting. The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press Enter or Return at the end of each line. I guess going back to the text-editor method might be an easier way of doing that. In the GEdit text-editor i would search for \n Even though it removes the odd 1 or 2 bits of formatting that you do want to keep i tend to find it more efficient to just get rid of the whole lot and then reapply styles (such as Heading 3) and then maybe open the styles pop-up to edit that style. I used to pick little bitsbobs to unformat or chunks or maybe whole paragraphs but it involves much more faffing around than so doing the whole lot in one go and then sorting the headings and stuff. It might take a little while before you find the best work-flow for you. Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 13:25, pbw li...@pbw.id.au wrote: Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Cheers, -- Pablo M. Dotro That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll t the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085369.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 05:25 28/11/2013 -0800, Peter West wrote: Here's an earlier post from Pablo Dotro: If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) That's the case I'm talking about. I've struck it as well. I suspect it might be tied up with list style interactions, but I can't be sure. I certainly ran into it in an imported .doc converted to .odt. (Not a very complex document, with few styles and lots of hand formatting, spaces and newlines.) There is, in fact, another 'clear formatting' option. If you open the style list pull-down, and scroll to the very top, there is a Clear formatting option, which behaves very differently from the Clear direct formatting ^M option. It does seem to perform a pretty radical paragraph formatting reset. However, as I no longer have access to the intermediate forms of the file I was working on, I can't test to see whether it solves the problem. I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 15:34 28/11/2013 +, Tom Davies wrote: The only thing it doesn't get rid of is when people press Enter or Return at the end of each line. There is a workaround for that, too: select the text and go to Format | AutoCorrect | Apply. Amongst other reformatting, this combines single line paragraphs if their length is sufficient. Since it makes other changes, you may wish to do this before performing other editing. Alternatively, you can use Format | AutoCorrect | Apply and Edit Changes, which makes the same changes but allows you to accept them or reject them. You could accept all the Combine paragraphs changes (sort by Comment and select multiple actions to make this easier) and reject all the rest. This technique also applies Text Body paragraph style, but it is a simple task to change this afterwards if required. For this technique to work, you need to have ticked Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Combine single line paragraphs if length greater than nn%. You may need to modify the percentage - which you can do by selecting the option and clicking the Edit... button. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. That would be very useful. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 7:00 am, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4085467...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085467.html To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. NAML -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Hi :) It's amazing that people have to learn how to drive and pass a test. There are so few controls. Usually a wheel or handle-bar or joystick to make the vehicle turn. Something to make it faster or slower. Maybe something to make it go up or down. So at most it's about 3 controls right? Surely that should be even more intuitive or at least easier to spot which control does what. So why all the lessons? It's crazy right? Regards from Tom :) On 28 November 2013 20:59, A publicf...@bak.rr.com wrote: On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote: As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. For me at least, there's just too much to remember. (You're in a maze of twisty little passages. You're in a twisty maze of little passages. Now you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.) It's enough to make me lose my mind. I can't keep track of all these various intracacies. It sure would be nice to have some tool tips. Also, if Apply Style applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles, why not have it say Apply Paragraph Style so as to make it obvious and avoid the obscurity. Default Formatting could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into separate functions that do one thing each. i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters. 2) Remove formatting to paragraphs. 3) Remove formatting by character styles. That would provide more control. I don't know if there's an advantage to it - other than knowing precisely what function is being performed. In addition, I do NOT expect Clear formatting to reset the paragraph style to default. I expect it to do 1,2,3 above. i.e. Clear the formatting just as it implies. I would expect Reset Paragraph Style to Default to reset the paragraph style to default. There's far too much guesswork and intimate knowledge required here. It's all quite NON-obvious. Sure, if one works with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be spelled out in a tool tip. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head. Now that the problem has been defined, the solution becomes easy. Provide a way to SEE exactly how the formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it! Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes. They're hidden formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will. Just my opinions of course. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting. It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Would Select All (CTRL-A), Menu-Format-Clear Direct Formatting (CTRL-M) not work for you? On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting. It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
I don't know, because there were elements whose particular formatting I needed. But I know that that sequence on individual paragraphs does not work, for the reasons explained by others in earlier posts in this discussion. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 28 Nov 2013, at 2:07 pm, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4085305...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Would Select All (CTRL-A), Menu-Format-Clear Direct Formatting (CTRL-M) not work for you? On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting. It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085305.html To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
Interesting... yours is the only post I've seen so far. On 11/27/2013 08:29 PM, pbw wrote: I don't know, because there were elements whose particular formatting I needed. But I know that that sequence on individual paragraphs does not work, for the reasons explained by others in earlier posts in this discussion. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 28 Nov 2013, at 2:07 pm, A [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4085305...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Would Select All (CTRL-A), Menu-Format-Clear Direct Formatting (CTRL-M) not work for you? On 11/27/2013 05:45 PM, pbw wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I have just had to do this. The document was an imported Word .doc, but the principle seems to apply everywhere. How to fix it: Add Format menu items Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting. It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085301.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085305.html To unsubscribe from A feature, or ...?, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-feature-or-tp4064910p4085306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A feature, or ...?
At 17:45 27/11/2013 -0800, Peter West wrote: It's a bug, or, if you prefer, a missing vital feature. It's a feature - and I don't think it's missing, in fact. The problem: If you have a document filled with paragraph formatting which has been applied directly using a paragraph style menu, any styles you define and apply as a style will be overridden by the direct formatting previously applied. There is no way that I have found to remove it, except by a manual change using the paragraph style menu. That fixes my problem, but passes the same problem on to the next person who wants to change the paragraph styling. I fear that paragraph is somewhat confused. There is direct character formatting, character style formatting, paragraph formatting, and paragraph style formatting - all different. To confuse things further, you can apply character formatting or character style formatting to an entire paragraph. If you really do solve your problem using a new paragraph style (and I'm not clear why you would call this a manual change), I think you have left your document in an ideal state for later modification by yourself or others. How to fix it: Add Format menu items Clear all paragraph/character(/list?) formatting. It doesn't actually remove all formatting, but applies a default format which clear all the problem formats and allows a style to be cleanly applied. You don't need to clear any style formatting, as any modifications to these styles or replacements by other styles will simply supersede existing effects. What can be a problem is any local (direct) character formatting which may have been applied - perhaps even (confusingly) to complete paragraphs. (This is the way that a beginner will format his or her documents.) But no-one needs to add any menu items: what you need is already there, at Format | Default Formatting (or right-click | Default Formatting or Ctrl+M). If you invoke this and then apply your new styles, everything should be hunky-dory. List formatting is such a delicate matter that I don't know whether a clear all list formatting operation would cause more trouble than it's worth. Any proper list formatting (applied using styles) should survive the application of Default Formatting, which is what you would want. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Math feature request
eskroni wrote: I think, what you are asking for is way outside the scope of an office suite. You might want to look at computer algebra systems, like Maple or Maxima. You can get some more information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_(software) Sigrid I did not ask for calculation with values (numbers). I asked an easy to way insert the same formula (a=bc and b=a/c are the same...) again and again. If i want to write a book, i use LaTex, if i want to solve exercises, i can use Maple or Maxima you suggested, but i need only an easy way to insert formulas to text documents to show, *how* i solved an exercise. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Math-feature-request-tp3472100p3474354.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: strikethrough feature
In news:cado7t4fptxqvhz5bnkswhgdgapffcznrro43phwsb1bs52h...@mail.gmail.com, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com typed: 2011/8/25 Maria Rechnitzer rrrah...@gmail.com: Dear Support, This is the LibreOffice users' list. It's not a real support. We are just users who help each other out. You can ask questions and you can reply to other people's question if you like. I'm well aware of maling lists, forums and newsgroups etc.. I use NNTP instead of the mailing list for what are normally obvious reasons to most, not the least of which is not getting a mass of unrelated to anything I care about from a mailing list. A mailing list can be great for a newbie just trying to pull as much info as they can about as many subjects as they can, but you can't beat NNTP for its conciseness and ablity to easly pick responsed to a post almost instantly. Mailinig lists can quickly become irritating. Add to that the management capabilities and no gui waste as with forums, and you have what I still consder the best listing tool around. As long as the list vs newsgroup processes to work, it's the best of all worlds due to the many displays possible in a group reader. If you plan to write here again, you should subscribe to the list. That's fine for you, but realize that what you like isn't necessarly anyonre/everyone else's cup of tea. Then you will get all the replies to your questions directly in your inbox, also from those who didn't added your email address in the b To:b field manually, like I just didb You will also get other peoples questions, but that is how email lists work. Some people, who are subscribed to many email lists, like myself, have a special email account for email lists only. That's probably not necessary in most cases, I just mentioned it as a tipb No, not for me. I have more to do than scan mailing lists looking for my post responses when I can have them pointed out to me automatically and all grouped together. When I have a question, I DO NOT CARE to see other answers; I might if I were a newbie and had lots of time avalable, but I don't. This is only my opinion, but some of the advice you gave leaves a little to be desired. when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. You can do that yourself. Here is how: As I said in my prevous posting, you can underline, overline, strike-thru,double-strike-thru, use colors with them and so on in Writer at the program's location I gave. Also note how clunky your post looks below because I only read posts in Plain Text and nothing else. I respectfully advise that you should post and e-mail also in Plain Text unless there is some compelling reason not to. It's even a good idea to have anything that's 8-bit dropped to the floor just to prevent any type of unintended code execution in the body of an e-mail. With Plain Text, you don't get the Unicode or Mime problems that go along with 8-bit e-mails. HTH, Twayne` Tools b Customizeb b Toolbars. LibreOffice Writer Toolbars b Toolbar: Select b Formattingb In the b Commandsb list, scroll down to b Underlineb and highlight it. Click the b Addbb button. In the b Categoryb list of the b Add Commandsb dialogue, select b Formatb . In the b Commandsb list of the b Add Commandsb dialogue, scroll down and select b Strikethroughb (they are listed in alphabetic order, so it's easy to find). Click the Add button b the b Add Commandsb dialogue is closed. In the Customize dialogue, b Strikethroughb is now available and checked (b). You can move it up and down with the b, and b, buttons at the right of the b Commandsb list if it's not in the b rightb place. Click OK. You now have a strike through button available in your Formatting toolbar. In the Customize dialogue you can also customise your menues and keyboard shortcuts, and you can assign macros to different events, such as Open Document, Save Document and more. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg c8c'c cc;c-ccc3ccc0 THANKS FOR PROVIDING THIS SEVICE! I kindly ask you to let me know if the strikethrough feature exists in Libre Office. Yes it does, and in quite a few places. Best regards, Maria -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: strikethrough feature
2011/8/27 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net: On 08/26/2011 04:03 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: ... You can do that yourself. Here is how: Tools → Customize… → Toolbars. LibreOffice Writer Toolbars – Toolbar: Select ”Formatting” In the ”Commands” list, scroll down to ”Underline” and highlight it. Click the ”Add…” button. In the ”Category” list of the ”Add Commands” dialogue, select ”Format”. In the ”Commands” list of the ”Add Commands” dialogue, scroll down and select ”Strikethrough” (they are listed in alphabetic order, so it's easy to find). Click the Add button → the ”Add Commands” dialogue is closed. In the Customize dialogue, ”Strikethrough” is now available and checked (☒). You can move it up and down with the ⬆ and ⬇ buttons at the right of the ”Commands” list if it's not in the ”right” place. Click OK. You now have a strike through button available in your Formatting toolbar. In the Customize dialogue you can also customise your menues and keyboard shortcuts, and you can assign macros to different events, such as Open Document, Save Document and more. ... Johnny, your replicating Brian Barker's already clear instructions on how to do exactly that. Yes I did, sorry. Somehow I missed Brian's post, don't know why. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ quote You can do this yourself: o Click the down-arrow at the right end of the Formatting toolbar and select Customize toolbar... | Toolbars. o Under Toolbar Content, click Add... . o Under Category select Format, under Commands select Strikethrough, and click Add and Close. o Click the up and down arrows to move your new button to where you want it - apparently below Underline. o Click OK. I trust this helps. Brian Barker /quote -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: strikethrough feature
2011/8/27 Twayne twa...@twaynesdomain.com: In news:cado7t4fptxqvhz5bnkswhgdgapffcznrro43phwsb1bs52h...@mail.gmail.com, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com typed: 2011/8/25 Maria Rechnitzer rrrah...@gmail.com: Dear Support, This is the LibreOffice users' list. It's not a real support. We are just users who help each other out. You can ask questions and you can reply to other people's question if you like. I'm well aware of maling lists, forums and newsgroups etc.. I use NNTP instead of the mailing list for what are normally obvious reasons to most, not the least of which is not getting a mass of unrelated to anything I care about from a mailing list. A mailing list can be great for a newbie just trying to pull as much info as they can about as many subjects as they can, but you can't beat NNTP for its conciseness and ablity to easly pick responsed to a post almost instantly. Mailinig lists can quickly become irritating. Add to that the management capabilities and no gui waste as with forums, and you have what I still consder the best listing tool around. As long as the list vs newsgroup processes to work, it's the best of all worlds due to the many displays possible in a group reader. Well, I don't think my comment was meant for you, but maybe I totally misunderstand what you are saying here (English is of course not my native language, that's why it look very strange sometimes). If you plan to write here again, you should subscribe to the list. That's fine for you, but realize that what you like isn't necessarly anyonre/everyone else's cup of tea. I guess I should have written ”could” instead of ”should” or something, I don't know. Anyway, I have always said that if someone is not subscribed it's not my problem that he or she doesn't receive my replies. People didn't like that kind of attitude, so now I changed that; I even added that address to the ”To:” field, to make sure that my reply would reach the right person. I guess I now need to find a third way of doing it, but I'm not sure what's left. Well, I know one thing: Not replying at all. That's quick and easy and doesn't annoy anyone. I think I'll go with that until I find something better. Thanks for your advice. Then you will get all the replies to your questions directly in your inbox, also from those who didn't added your email address in the b To:b field manually, like I just didb You will also get other peoples questions, but that is how email lists work. Some people, who are subscribed to many email lists, like myself, have a special email account for email lists only. That's probably not necessary in most cases, I just mentioned it as a tipb No, not for me. I have more to do than scan mailing lists looking for my post responses when I can have them pointed out to me automatically and all grouped together. When I have a question, I DO NOT CARE to see other answers; I might if I were a newbie and had lots of time avalable, but I don't. This is only my opinion, but some of the advice you gave leaves a little to be desired. I'm not even sure it's right to call it advice. I just throw my crap at the nearest place, obviously. when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. You can do that yourself. Here is how: As I said in my prevous posting, you can underline, overline, strike-thru,double-strike-thru, use colors with them and so on in Writer at the program's location I gave. Also note how clunky your post looks below because I only read posts in Plain Text and nothing else. I respectfully advise that you should post and e-mail also in Plain Text unless there is some compelling reason not to. It's even a good idea to have anything that's 8-bit dropped to the floor just to prevent any type of unintended code execution in the body of an e-mail. I guess I totally misunderstood what's ”plain text”. I thought it was the same as ”not formatted” text. Only enter text, not formatted in any way. Everything I type is plain UTF-8 text, which is 8 bits in the most common cases, but a lot of characters requires two or even three bytes. Are you really suggesting to use 7-bit text? In that case you can only write in English, so what about when I write to the LibreOffice mailing list in my language? Three of our letters in our alphabet doesn't exist in 7-bit text, and they are VERY commonly used in my language. And with 7 bits none of the eastern Asian countries, like China, Japan and more, could write to a mailing list. For me it is UTF-8 or nothing, so I guess I just have to unsubscribe to all mailing lists then. Well, I could do that. It might
[libreoffice-users] Re: strikethrough feature
In news:caff6mpdc8kjigozyktqtbxhqwgv4x9fyxpk+xufkp6srh6w...@mail.gmail.com, Maria Rechnitzer rrrah...@gmail.com typed: Dear Support, when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. THANKS FOR PROVIDING THIS SEVICE! I kindly ask you to let me know if the strikethrough feature exists in Libre Office. Best regards, Maria -- Maria E. Rechnitzer, Mag. phil. Email: rrrah...@gmail.com - Reduce Reuse Recycle Now - Change habits, and the environment changes with you. You didn't mention an OS or LO version so I'll be general, too. On mine, it's at Format, character in the top menu bar. Select the word you want to cross out, click Format; Character and choose from the single/double/over/under etc. lines available there. Lots more than MS offered. LO s NOT Word, so some things are more logically located. HTH, Twayne` -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: strikethrough feature
On 08/26/2011 04:03 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: ... You can do that yourself. Here is how: Tools → Customize… → Toolbars. LibreOffice Writer Toolbars – Toolbar: Select ”Formatting” In the ”Commands” list, scroll down to ”Underline” and highlight it. Click the ”Add…” button. In the ”Category” list of the ”Add Commands” dialogue, select ”Format”. In the ”Commands” list of the ”Add Commands” dialogue, scroll down and select ”Strikethrough” (they are listed in alphabetic order, so it's easy to find). Click the Add button → the ”Add Commands” dialogue is closed. In the Customize dialogue, ”Strikethrough” is now available and checked (☒). You can move it up and down with the ⬆ and ⬇ buttons at the right of the ”Commands” list if it's not in the ”right” place. Click OK. You now have a strike through button available in your Formatting toolbar. In the Customize dialogue you can also customise your menues and keyboard shortcuts, and you can assign macros to different events, such as Open Document, Save Document and more. ... Johnny, your replicating Brian Barker's already clear instructions on how to do exactly that. quote You can do this yourself: o Click the down-arrow at the right end of the Formatting toolbar and select Customize toolbar... | Toolbars. o Under Toolbar Content, click Add... . o Under Category select Format, under Commands select Strikethrough, and click Add and Close. o Click the up and down arrows to move your new button to where you want it - apparently below Underline. o Click OK. I trust this helps. Brian Barker /quote -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: Feature request: native BibTeX support
Am 12.07.2011, 01:17 Uhr, schrieb planas jsloz...@gmail.com: An alternative is to use Base. I have been thinking on these lines so I will look into it more. I am using base for my literature database, but it has serious drawbacks. You can use the built-in LO literature database (which isn't portable), or you can set up a new one, which will let you include stuff you think is useful but not conetained in the original. You can register that as a data source and start using it, but as soon as you want to edit any entry from within writer, it will tell you that it can't associate the db entries with the properties the literature module expects. So what I did was copy the existing db, add a few more fields and work with that, but I still had to re-asiciate all the db categories anew. And even though I stored it in the same directory as the document I used it for, if I copy that directory elswehere, the game starts anew. If I change one of the entries in the db, I have to remove the citation from the document and re-insert it before it updates in the literature index. If you have cited it multiple times and you misclick once, be prepared for additional fun. Ok, so aside from ranting about stuff I haven't done myself and should be thankful for instead of criticizing: What should be doable (I speculate) is to construct something that will import bibtex into the OO-database, maybe even link the database to a bitex file (or several)? So if you change your bibtex file, the db will update, including establishing new categories, properties and the like. What should also be done is improve the literature workflow. There is certainly something to improve there. I do not use a plugin for citations because I prefer to have all done within one program (actually If I restarted my current project right now, I'd probably use a plugin, but now most of the stuff is in LO's database, and I won't undo that), and would welcome not having to copy/paste bibtex entries into the literature DB by hand. I'll also welcome any improvement of LO's bibliography module. Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug\feature in LO Base master\slave form linking
Have a nice day, Jay! planas jslozier at gmail.com writes: Hi Vladimir, ... Is it possible to change the way of LO making relation's query or to find an another way to solve my problem? Thank you in advance! P.S. I have no subscription to this mailing list so send your answers to my address too, please! -- Sincerelly yours, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky Wanna call me? Do it right now: +7 912 2473415 My limited experience with SQL suggests you should qualify the typeID fields to remove any ambiguity. I have had this problem when working directly the outside database and developing queries for it. If one did properly qualify the ambiguous fields you get a similar error message. Thank you for answer! You absolutelly right in your sugesstion, but WHERE clause is changed automatically (by adding 'AND typeID = :link_from_ProductID' ) by LO, as I wrote above. I would be very grateful if you can show me solution to change it. -- Sincerelly yours, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky Wanna call me? Do it right now: +7 912 2473415 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Bug\feature in LO Base master\slave form linking
Le 26/06/11 11:36, Vladimir Drobyshevsky a écrit : Hi Vladimir, Is it possible to change the way of LO making relation's query or to find an another way to solve my problem? The only thing I can think of is by turning off ESCAPE PROCESSING. This may be possible in the advanced connection parameters. What you must know is that you might have found one of the known bugs in the SQL parser that incorrectly removes parts of the query when you switch from the graphical tools to direct SQL. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bug\feature in LO Base master\slave form linking
Vladimir, On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 16:57 +, Vladimir Drobyshevsky wrote: Have a nice day, Jay! planas jslozier at gmail.com writes: Hi Vladimir, ... Is it possible to change the way of LO making relation's query or to find an another way to solve my problem? Thank you in advance! P.S. I have no subscription to this mailing list so send your answers to my address too, please! -- Sincerelly yours, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky Wanna call me? Do it right now: +7 912 2473415 My limited experience with SQL suggests you should qualify the typeID fields to remove any ambiguity. I have had this problem when working directly the outside database and developing queries for it. If one did properly qualify the ambiguous fields you get a similar error message. Thank you for answer! You absolutelly right in your sugesstion, but WHERE clause is changed automatically (by adding 'AND typeID = :link_from_ProductID' ) by LO, as I wrote above. I would be very grateful if you can show me solution to change it. -- Sincerelly yours, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky Wanna call me? Do it right now: +7 912 2473415 I will show my limited experience I would not use . The dialect I am most familiar with does not normally use them. So my query would be written: SELECT invTypes.typeName AS Name, invTypes.description AS Description, invTypeMaterials.quantity AS Qty, invTypeMaterials.typeID FROM EDB.public.invTypes AS invTypes, EDB.public.invTypeMaterials AS invTypeMaterials WHERE invTypes.typeID = invTypeMaterials.materialTypeID I am not sure if another dialect SQL requires the . I am looking at my reference book SQL Server. I would think the dialects would not very that much but I have surprised before. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Editing feature: Spike
In news:1300455381.1472.60.camel@PGU-Home-Desktop, Peter G. Underwood pgunderw...@wol.co.za typed: :: A useful addition to LibreOffice would be a spike :: clipboard, that allows one to store a sequence of items to :: be pasted, from which one can select the particular item :: needed. MS-Word offers such a feature and it has proved :: most useful whilst editing long texts. -- :: :: Peter G. Underwood tel/fax: +27 21 761 8463 :: 4 Brentwood Close cell:+27 84 650 3091 :: 11C Indian RoadSkype:pgunderwood :: KENILWORTH :: 7708 pgunderw...@wol.co.za :: Cape Town :: South Africa :: :: :: :: :: :: :: -- :: Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to :: users+h...@libreoffice.org :: List archive: :: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All :: posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** Good point. I do miss that now then. It's just a multi-object clipboard. I don't care whether it looks like MS's implementation or not; it's the feature that's important. OTOH not a lot of people use it other than technical writers. HTH, Twayne` -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Editing feature: Spike
Twayne wrote: In news:1300455381.1472.60.camel@PGU-Home-Desktop, Peter G. Underwoodpgunderw...@wol.co.za typed: :: A useful addition to LibreOffice would be a spike :: clipboard, that allows one to store a sequence of items to :: be pasted, from which one can select the particular item :: needed. MS-Word offers such a feature and it has proved :: most useful whilst editing long texts. -- Good point. I do miss that now then. It's just a multi-object clipboard. I don't care whether it looks like MS's implementation or not; it's the feature that's important. OTOH not a lot of people use it other than technical writers. HTH, Twayne` Maybe something that would work as an extension. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
