Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:12:58 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: James Knott: IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported are the ancient StarOffice ones. StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. Its the MS schill. -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 26/04/14 17:12, Urmas wrote: StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. Insulting other mailing list subscribers is absolutely unacceptable, not only because it is against the Netiquette but also because it is against the principles of our community. If you do not share these principles (and your messages show that you do not share them) you should be wise enough to leave the mailing list and the community on you own. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) +1 It would be great if this mailing list could be a family friendly place. It is not always easy to come up with dignified responses that deals with FUD in a witty and humorous way but doing so might make this list a more friendly place to be. Please can we just try to rise above it instead of letting anger control us? I will try to be better myself too. Regards from Tom :) On 27 April 2014 10:36, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/14 17:12, Urmas wrote: StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. Insulting other mailing list subscribers is absolutely unacceptable, not only because it is against the Netiquette but also because it is against the principles of our community. If you do not share these principles (and your messages show that you do not share them) you should be wise enough to leave the mailing list and the community on you own. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Toki: What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between the various editions of the same version of MSO. All those differences are hierarchic. You can read all the files of earlier version and have a way to ignore unsupported elements from the higher version. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On April 27, 2014 4:18:55 AM PDT, Urmas wrote: What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between the various editions of the same version of MSO. All those differences are hierarchic. That does not negate the differences in the file format of the various editions of the same version. You can read all the files of earlier version and have a way to ignore unsupported elements from the higher versions. Only if file incompatibility is acceptable to the user. Something that is apparently more true of MO users than ODF users. -- Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:36:36 +0200 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/14 17:12, Urmas wrote: StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. Insulting other mailing list subscribers is absolutely unacceptable, not only because it is against the Netiquette but also because it is against the principles of our community. If you do not share these principles (and your messages show that you do not share them) you should be wise enough to leave the mailing list and the community on you own. +1 Pete -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
James Knott: IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported are the ancient StarOffice ones. StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 4/26/2014 11:12 AM, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. 16 years? Yes, that is ANCIENT in computer/software terms, for both hardware AND software. If you think otherwise, you are an idiot that should be kept our from developing office software, or even participating in email discussion lists. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On April 26, 2014 10:42:53 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: 16 years? Yes, that is ANCIENT in computer/software terms, for both hardware AND software. It might be old, but that does not mean no longer used. Ideally, the extension to import those file formats would have been released prior to ripping the code out of LibO. Those that don't undertstand why sofware that is 15+ years old is still used, perhaps need to revisit why software shouldbe designed as if it will be used for the next century. jonathon -- Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 4/26/2014 2:18 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: Those that don't undertstand why sofware that is 15+ years old is still used, perhaps need to revisit why software shouldbe designed as if it will be used for the next century. No one said it wasn't used, and that is totally irrelevant to the question being discussed. We are talking about supporting old file FORMATS in MODERN software. If you are still using Staroffice 5.2, then you have no problem opening those old file formats. The problem is with those who don't understand that sometimes it simply is not practical to continue supporting LEGACY GARBAGE that is seriously hampering both ongoing/long term maintenance and innovation. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Urmas wrote: you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software. Gee I didn't know I was developing office software. Thanks for letting me know. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, things have changed a bit in the past 16 years. Back then, there was still a lot of Windows 3.1 DOS around, among other things. How much of anything still works from back then? How many still run Word 6? Back in the mid '90s, I was using Wordstar 2000 (and a bit of Word Perfect 5.2) at work and Describe at home. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) I kinda gather that it is possible to develop new filters for the format, perhaps as an Extension. There just doesn't seem to have been much interest in it. Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can read it and convert. Such older software not being vulnerable to many threats that are out in the wild. Regards from Tom :) On 26 April 2014 19:18, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On April 26, 2014 10:42:53 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: 16 years? Yes, that is ANCIENT in computer/software terms, for both hardware AND software. It might be old, but that does not mean no longer used. Ideally, the extension to import those file formats would have been released prior to ripping the code out of LibO. Those that don't undertstand why sofware that is 15+ years old is still used, perhaps need to revisit why software shouldbe designed as if it will be used for the next century. jonathon -- Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Tom Davies wrote: Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can read it and convert. So, what's the latest version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice that will read those formats? If needed, they could be used to save those old files in a newer format. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi James, On 26 April 2014 21:36, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can read it and convert. So, what's the latest version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice that will read those formats? If needed, they could be used to save those old files in a newer format. The latest version of LibreOffice that can read those old formats is version 3.6.x Go for the very latest version of this branch. Alternatively, I believe that AOO still has support for those legacy formats in their current version. HTH, Sigrid -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Good day, Thank you for your reply. I have copied the Microsoft Word Normal.dot file into my Home Folder/Documents (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS). Open LibreOffice Writer 3.5.7.2 and followed the follwoing steps: File Wizards Document Converter Microsoft Office Word Documents Next Word Templates (Did not select include sub directories). Changed the Import to the correct location: /home/herman/Documents. The save to I have left unchanged: /home/herman/.config/libreoffice/3/user/template/Imported_Templates I have unselect Documents. Next , I then receive a message tahat indicates that the /home/herman/.config/libreoffice/3/user/template/Imported_Templates directory does not exisit and if I would like to create it Yes The following message is received: All Word templates contained in the following directory will be imported: /home/iss/Documents All subdirectories will be taken into account These will be exported to the following directory: /home/herman/.config/libreoffice/3/user/template/Imported_Templates Convert Documents converted and the following log file is generated: Word templates Source documents Target documents Normal.dot Normal.ott Document macro has to be revised. When verifying under Files Templates Organise Imported templates the template is vissible Clax Template CSW Version 3.0 Off97 (Final Edition) Within MS Office, this template is available under View Toolbars and when selected it adds it as a Toolbar, however in Office Writer I cannot find it here. I have tried running a Macro Tools Macros Run Macro but the requires to install Java runtime, which I did, but still cannot find my template to execute. I have tried File New Templates and Documents Selected the converted Template (Clax Template CSW Version 3.0 Off97 (Final Edition)) and then Receive a warning that Macros could contain viruses. I accept but the Template still does not work as it should. Attached the template. It works well with Microsoft Office up to verion 2003 but in some cases with Office 2007/2010 as a plug-in id does not function. Hope my explanations help. Kind regards. Herman On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:04 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) It should be possible to just double-click on the Normal.doc to open it. However, it is probably full of junk by now = such as tons of extraneous coding and odd references to stuff that is long gone and maybe your address and other people's names and systems that the template has been used on. Try opening it with a text editor to see what's in there!! So, i think you are over-complicating it. Just double-click to open it and then do; File - Save As Template to convert it (and all the messy coding it contains) into a LibreOffice Template. Although it might be a bit messy right now it's probably still usable. At some point it might be nice to start afresh but possibly not until you have time. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 18:10, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( Therefore switching away from MSFT is a great way to - possibly - show them the errors of their ways ;-) Now, if you could explain just what you're attempting to do, maybe someone on this list will be able to help - the LO writer program does whatever I would like - and more than the MSFT version ... the LO ppt program as well - including its ability to convert to video ... [I need to see an example of what your attempting to do] as for the LO spreadsheet - many on this list seem to use this feature; [I do not] Hoping you'll be able to find an answer anon, From: H K gemorse...@yahoo.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [libreoffice-users] CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE Good day, I have tried to register but without success. I am trying to find assistance with the conversion of a Microsoft Global Template (Normal.dot) to be used with LibreOffice Writer as the Global template. The template was 'created' for me for ofice convention service writing and I am alos using it in my day to day activities away from the office. I am trying to move away from the Mircrosoft platform and environment, therefore the assistance. I have tried the wizard in LibreOffice, however for some reason I cannot get it to function. I receive a warning that macros might harm the system if allowed. However, irrespective, cannot use it. Not sure where I am going wrong. Within Microsoft it can be added as a banner and one only click on the required numbering and thereafter tab, etc to make full use of the functionality. It was designed for Office 97 to 2000 and only works on certain computers
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
At 22:32 22/04/2014 -0700, Herman Konly wrote: Documents converted and the following log file is generated: [...] Normal.dot Normal.ott Document macro has to be revised. That's probably the best you can do without editing your template further yourself - in particular its contained macro(s). Within MS Office, this template is available under View Toolbars and when selected it adds it as a Toolbar, however in Office Writer I cannot find it here. There is - at least, potentially - a New Document From Template button in the Standard toolbar. If you don't see it, click the down-arrow at the right end of this toolbar and select Visible Buttons | New Document From Template. It should stick. Alternative ways to get at a template are: o File | New | Templates and Documents (as you mention) o Down-arrow next to the New button in the Standard toolbar | Templates and Documents o Templates... from the start screen o Set your template as the default and then just open a new text document o (If you are using Windows) Right-click the Quickstarter icon in the System Tray | From Template... I have tried running a Macro Tools Macros Run Macro but the requires to install Java runtime, which I did, but still cannot find my template to execute. No: your template is not a macro, though it apparently contains macros. Attached the template. Attached files are generally not distributed by the list processor, so no-one except the two explicit addressees of your message will have seen this. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Le 22/04/2014 20:06, Urmas a écrit : Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Urmas, you are right. Yes, I too, remember a guarantee made by the LibreOffice project on its inception to future-proof one's data against arbitrary changes in file format or vendor support...funny how the wheel turns isn't it ? The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code, so they got rid of it, simple as that - they certainly didn't care whether people who had started using the original product, the one that gave birth both to OOo and LO, over 10 years ago would still want that file format supported - data guarantee I hear you say ? Bah, humbug. Clearly a case of :if you're not working on the codebase, we're not listening to you, lalalala, sticks fingers in ears... There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to support those binary sd* file types, but it was a hefty chunk of code to get rid of from the code base, and met the goal of reducing code clutter. Then the LO project had the gall to sign itself up to some document format project that will claim to support all those old document formats...hahaha, the irony of it all... In many respects, some open source projects are no better than closed source ones where their management and communication is concerned. Inept is inept, spin is spin, marketing is marketing - beauty is in the eye of the holder, so to speak. Well, thank you for listening to my little rant for today, I'll crawl back under that rock I call LibreOffice QA, ROFLMAO. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 10:24 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote: The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code Hated it with a passion is probably a better description than didn't like - that code screwed us over and held us back very significantly. It was a cut/paste of almost (which is part of the problem, the shared code was really hard to change) the entirety of an ancient version of the code-base, and a disaster in a box from so many aspects - whether security, maintainability, binary download size, etc. etc. so they got rid of it Whoot :-) There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to support those binary sd* file types I beg to differ =) That it mostly still worked doesn't mean it was not fundamentally broken in many ways that are not immediately visible to those not involved with the code particularly around its design and architecture. Well, thank you for listening to my little rant for today, I'll crawl back under that rock I call LibreOffice QA, ROFLMAO. Heh - so, the solution to this problem is (IMNSHO) to work on the new libreveng versions of these filters to (at least initially) rescue the core data, and ultimately the full feature set in less code, and inside a much cleaner and more maintainable infrastructure. Its not such difficult work even - it doesn't even require re-building the main LibreOffice code (just that particular smallish filter), and I'm sure Fridrich co. would love help there if newbie developers want to get involved. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED X on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered at risk. M$ was kind enough to provide a link to End of Support Guidance. To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different transitional versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED X on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered at risk. M$ was kind enough to provide a link to End of Support Guidance. To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil +1 On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different transitional versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) You can use Nabble to share the document. Use any of the links in this email but it's better practice to go to the official LIbreOffice website and navigate through Get Help - Nabble - Users - errr, and then find your thread, you might need to register at the site when you start to write a reply there are various buttons above the Message box. The last of these is More and that gives a small drop-down menu. Top item is Upload a file which works roughly the same way as uploading an attachment to an email except that it puts a line of html code into the message. You can move the whole line of code around. Macros are a problem. To move these to LibreOffice you need someone to rewrite the code. This mailing list has been able to help a few people with this in the past but it's not really what we are here for. You might need to find someone who has some coding skills elsewhere. Luckily LibreOffice seems to be able to handle macros written in a few different popular languages. Also once the code has been re-written to work in LibreOffice then it's unlikely to need to be re-written after that. Moving to a new version of MS Office, such as the 2007 or 2010 would also need the code to be re-written and it seems that each version of MS Office makes changes so that re-write would probably need to be re-written again in the future or for different versions of MS Office. One of the problems with the MS version of macros, is that macros have often been used as an attack vector. So much so that newer versions of MS Office have a security pop-up alerting the user to possibly dangerous code being run on their machine and asking if they really trust the source of the macro. So, either way it looks like you need to get the macros re-written. However i get the feeling that your macro does something that might be better done by an Extension/Add-on/Plug-in and doing that might make it more robust. Hopefully someone else on this mailing list might be able to give a better idea about the feasibility of this idea after seeing the code and/or what it does. Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/CONVERTING-A-MICROSOFT-TEMPLATE-TO-BE-USED-WITH-LIBRE-OFFICE-tp4106036p4106138.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) There will be a lot of pranks and malware aimed at Xp users offering them free upgrades and what-not. Apparently it has already started. Just ignore them all. Wrt MS Security Essentials best bet is to install AVG (apparently best of the free anti-viruses (but according to who, right?)) or one of the many other choices and after updating it and scanning your machine then uninstall MS Essentials. I just did this on the office machines last night. As far as your Xp machine goes i would install a dual-boot there now too and just try to avoid using Xp as much as posible on it. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS has 3 years worth of support remaining and was released 2 years ago in 2012. The 14.04 LTS was released a couple of days ago so it has only just started it's 5 years worth of support. The 16.04 is due out in 2016. So, on your 12.04 you should get a notification letting you know you can upgrade. When/if you decline then you wont see it again for maybe a month, when they release their first Service Pack. Generally i would go with Garvin's usual advice and hold off on upgrading for a while. I have just tried it on a couple of machines and it seems kinda fine but i'm going to let them settle for a while before rolling it out to all the rest. Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 13:42, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED X on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered at risk. M$ was kind enough to provide a link to End of Support Guidance. To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil +1 On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different transitional versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Urmas wrote: Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. It was called StarOffice back then. StarOffice became OpenOffice. LibreOffice split off from OpenOffice when Oracle took over. IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported are the ancient StarOffice ones. LibreOffice still supports the original OpenOffice sx* formats. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Alex Thurgood wrote: The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code, so they got rid of it, simple as that - they certainly didn't care whether people who had started using the original product, the one that gave birth both to OOo and LO, over 10 years ago would still want that file format supported - data guarantee I hear you say ? Bah, humbug. Clearly a case of :if you're not working on the codebase, we're not listening to you, lalalala, sticks fingers in ears... There was nothing seriously broken about the binary filter code used to support those binary sd* file types, but it was a hefty chunk of code to get rid of from the code base, and met the goal of reducing code clutter. Hi Alex, au contraire. There were a ton of things broken with the binary filter code. Most importantly, it was a snapshot copy of loads of the application and filter code (some 140 kLOC in total), left to rot unmaintained many years before LibreOffice started. Also, for just the StarOffice 1.0-5.0 import functionality, it came at a rather huge footprint to (every!) LibreOffice download (some 10MB or so for the download, some 20MB or so per install). That thing really was beyond hope, and IMO it would have been a very non-smart investment to encourage developers to even keep it on life support any longer. It's not that the project has infinite developer resources, and there are many others things that need attention. Then the LO project had the gall to sign itself up to some document format project that will claim to support all those old document formats...hahaha, the irony of it all... I miss the irony. Those filters pride themselves not to hold internal copies of Corel Draw, Visio etc etc application code, but rather provide clean, minimal, import-only filters. The door is wide open to implement StarOffice binary format importers there. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi. A work colleague just tried Zorin (http://zorin-os.com/) as a replacement on a laptop. Look and feel sooo similar to Win and uses Ubuntu repositories. The download will run as a live disc to check out all your hardware will work. Worked well, a little fiddle with the wifi, but in all a good replacement. Steve On 2014-04-23 23:57, Virgil Arrington wrote: It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need Windows. But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting *very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty. Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED X on my Security Essentials icon. I clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered at risk. M$ was kind enough to provide a link to End of Support Guidance. To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120 and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old, then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC. The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I declined their offer to have my PC checked. Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their time to support it anyway. Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside, Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy, Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on. Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over to the dark side. Give me penguins. Virgil On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different transitional versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 4/22/2014 11:06 AM, Urmas wrote: For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between the various editions of the same version of MSO. There are also file layout differences between the different versions of MSO. There are also file layout differences between the different localizations of MSO. IOW, in the last 23 years, more than 500 different file formats have used one of three names that Microsoft uses for its Word file format product. That scenario is repeated for every item in the Microsoft Office Product category. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( Therefore switching away from MSFT is a great way to - possibly - show them the errors of their ways ;-) Now, if you could explain just what you're attempting to do, maybe someone on this list will be able to help - the LO writer program does whatever I would like - and more than the MSFT version ... the LO ppt program as well - including its ability to convert to video ... [I need to see an example of what your attempting to do] as for the LO spreadsheet - many on this list seem to use this feature; [I do not] Hoping you'll be able to find an answer anon, From: H K gemorse...@yahoo.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [libreoffice-users] CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE Good day, I have tried to register but without success. I am trying to find assistance with the conversion of a Microsoft Global Template (Normal.dot) to be used with LibreOffice Writer as the Global template. The template was 'created' for me for ofice convention service writing and I am alos using it in my day to day activities away from the office. I am trying to move away from the Mircrosoft platform and environment, therefore the assistance. I have tried the wizard in LibreOffice, however for some reason I cannot get it to function. I receive a warning that macros might harm the system if allowed. However, irrespective, cannot use it. Not sure where I am going wrong. Within Microsoft it can be added as a banner and one only click on the required numbering and thereafter tab, etc to make full use of the functionality. It was designed for Office 97 to 2000 and only works on certain computers with Office 2007/2010 as a plug-in. However, as indicated, I want to move away from Microsoft, my entire system has been setup with only FOSS/OSS, but the template would make life much easier if I can get it to work. I am not skilled in the 'Macro/template' environment although I do understand some of the coding (limited). Is there anyone that can assisit me in this regard. Kind Regards. Herman -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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not true; I can open anything with LO which was created initially with OO; yet MSFT has come up with a new version nearly every year - almost incompatible with the previous version; if I use MSFT Office 2003 to make a document those with these latest versions cannot open it. From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:06 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: users@global.libreoffice.org anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On 22/04/2014 20:06, Urmas wrote: For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Microsoft has slightly changed the file format for each new release, although it has never changed the extension. Are you paid by Microsoft? Only someone paid by Microsoft could say such an incredible lie. This is not the first time that you say something which is clearly biased in the typical Microsoft way (i.e. total FUD). I do not think that you are adding any value here, and IMHO you should be banned from the community as you are not welcome at all. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Urmas wrote: Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. You again Darn M$ Corp shilltalking trash as per usual . pete -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:03:50 -0400 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Urmas wrote: Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. +1 Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
I do NOT appreciate being mis-quoted; I was responding to that Urmas who made the inane MSFT comments. If you were to read the whole bit, ... ... ... but I guess that goes against common sense :-( Out of the 2 sentences below, the first is part of my initial response to the initial questioner; the second is part of the response by that Urmas. From: pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. You again Darn M$ Corp shilltalking trash as per usual . pete -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Sort of getting off topic here :) My understanding is that Herman has a template created for MS Word. He wants to use this template in LO and therefore needs to convert it into the format LO uses. It was designed for Office 97 to 2000 and only works on certain computers with Office 2007/2010 as a plug-in. Firstly can MS Word template be converted to an LO format? Does Herman have to start from scratch? Cheers On 23/04/14 08:53, anne-ology wrote: I do NOT appreciate being mis-quoted; I was responding to that Urmas who made the inane MSFT comments. If you were to read the whole bit, ... ... ... but I guess that goes against common sense :-( Out of the 2 sentences below, the first is part of my initial response to the initial questioner; the second is part of the response by that Urmas. From: pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. You again Darn M$ Corp shilltalking trash as per usual . pete -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
James Knott: Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. It was called StarOffice back then. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3 different transitional versions and all are apparently quite different from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format. The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each different version of MS Office. MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS Office 2007. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) Yes, to both the last 2 questions. I'm fairly sure you can just double-click on a .dot to open it in LibreOffice and then File - Save as Template However it is likely to be a good idea to start afresh and create a new template using .ott from the start. MS formats tend to be riddled with strange code and other junk and that has probably been added to over the years as the template has been used in many different versions of MSO. Regards from Tom :) On 23 April 2014 02:01, Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com wrote: Sort of getting off topic here :) My understanding is that Herman has a template created for MS Word. He wants to use this template in LO and therefore needs to convert it into the format LO uses. It was designed for Office 97 to 2000 and only works on certain computers with Office 2007/2010 as a plug-in. Firstly can MS Word template be converted to an LO format? Does Herman have to start from scratch? Cheers On 23/04/14 08:53, anne-ology wrote: I do NOT appreciate being mis-quoted; I was responding to that Urmas who made the inane MSFT comments. If you were to read the whole bit, ... ... ... but I guess that goes against common sense :-( Out of the 2 sentences below, the first is part of my initial response to the initial questioner; the second is part of the response by that Urmas. From: pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. You again Darn M$ Corp shilltalking trash as per usual . pete -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) I think we have all experienced that sort of thing. This mailing list is meant for sharing ideas and building up answers. it's not made to be precise about who came up with posts. The thing was certainly said but it's difficult to know who said it except for 2 facts; 1. we know what you are like and also what Urmas is like, at least on these lists. 2. we can go back to the original posts or read them through Nabble So how could anyone think you said such a thing?!? ;)) Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 23:53, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: I do NOT appreciate being mis-quoted; I was responding to that Urmas who made the inane MSFT comments. If you were to read the whole bit, ... ... ... but I guess that goes against common sense :-( Out of the 2 sentences below, the first is part of my initial response to the initial questioner; the second is part of the response by that Urmas. From: pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: anne-ology MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE. Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. You again Darn M$ Corp shilltalking trash as per usual . pete -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hey, Easy tigers! Remember this is meant to be a family-friendly environment! Not that i've ever met a friendly family and kids these days seem to know more about swearing than the adults but lets pretend they don't know 'em and just avoid teaching them any new ones! Regards from Tom ;) On 22 April 2014 22:04, pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:03:50 -0400 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Urmas wrote: Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. +1 Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) Nice answer! :))) I think top-marks to James. My answer was too ponderous and boring. Of course i think Star Office and maybe even OpenOffice were around back then so in a way LibreOffice was, but just not under the same name. (kinda the opposite of MS formats as it happens!) Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 21:03, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Urmas wrote: Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001. Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
Hi :) It should be possible to just double-click on the Normal.doc to open it. However, it is probably full of junk by now = such as tons of extraneous coding and odd references to stuff that is long gone and maybe your address and other people's names and systems that the template has been used on. Try opening it with a text editor to see what's in there!! So, i think you are over-complicating it. Just double-click to open it and then do; File - Save As Template to convert it (and all the messy coding it contains) into a LibreOffice Template. Although it might be a bit messy right now it's probably still usable. At some point it might be nice to start afresh but possibly not until you have time. Regards from Tom :) On 22 April 2014 18:10, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-( Therefore switching away from MSFT is a great way to - possibly - show them the errors of their ways ;-) Now, if you could explain just what you're attempting to do, maybe someone on this list will be able to help - the LO writer program does whatever I would like - and more than the MSFT version ... the LO ppt program as well - including its ability to convert to video ... [I need to see an example of what your attempting to do] as for the LO spreadsheet - many on this list seem to use this feature; [I do not] Hoping you'll be able to find an answer anon, From: H K gemorse...@yahoo.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [libreoffice-users] CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE Good day, I have tried to register but without success. I am trying to find assistance with the conversion of a Microsoft Global Template (Normal.dot) to be used with LibreOffice Writer as the Global template. The template was 'created' for me for ofice convention service writing and I am alos using it in my day to day activities away from the office. I am trying to move away from the Mircrosoft platform and environment, therefore the assistance. I have tried the wizard in LibreOffice, however for some reason I cannot get it to function. I receive a warning that macros might harm the system if allowed. However, irrespective, cannot use it. Not sure where I am going wrong. Within Microsoft it can be added as a banner and one only click on the required numbering and thereafter tab, etc to make full use of the functionality. It was designed for Office 97 to 2000 and only works on certain computers with Office 2007/2010 as a plug-in. However, as indicated, I want to move away from Microsoft, my entire system has been setup with only FOSS/OSS, but the template would make life much easier if I can get it to work. I am not skilled in the 'Macro/template' environment although I do understand some of the coding (limited). Is there anyone that can assisit me in this regard. Kind Regards. Herman -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
