RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
Hi :) I have a lot more confidence in Oasis than in the ISO committees and i appreciate the work Dennis does in that area. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to ridicule MS formats and their game-playing tricks once again! Today & yday i have spent all my time fixing problems in or created by MS products while people continue to ignore much better products that just don't break or at least not as often and if/when they do are easier to fix. It feels good to let off a little steam! Many thanks and regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: From: Dennis E. Hamilton Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:03 A variety of PDF specifications have become established as international standards. The first was for PDF/A (archival purposes) and there have been others since. There are of course open-source versions of PDF and Postscript viewers and creators. The code that produces and reads PDF in LibreOffice is clearly an open implementation. The inclusion of attachments and even having an index of attachments is covered in the ISO PDF Standard. It is this feature that is used for hybrid ODF-PDF documents: <http://blogs.adobe.com/insidepdf/2010/11/pdf-file-attachments.html>. (You'll notice that making hybrid Microsoft Office - PDF documents is a feature of Adobe Acrobat products.) The agreement for interoperability with ODF attachments in PDF documents and how they are handled automatically is up to the supporters of ODF-PDF hybrid documents. There is nothing that Adobe needs to do. Any ODF-specific protocol is a matter for the ODF-supporting office suites to work out. If someone wanted to work up and publish an agreed profile for this use case, the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC could be used for that purpose. It would then be up to ODF Consumers that also produce and consume PDF to line up. This is also something that could be made the subject of ODF Plugfest activity. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? Hi :) Pdf is a proprietary format. There is no "Open" version and no community. Testing is done on a relatively small number of machines. It would be really great if there were a successfull OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained even as much traction as Odt etc have. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata wrote: From: Carlo Strata Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: "LibreOffice, users" Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12 Hi Everyone, I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format. This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned. Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format? What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
Hi :) I was saying the format itself is proprietary. I was not talking about programs that view, read or write the format. MS produced a .docX specification which had "Open" in the title and got it awarded ISO status. Their newer word-processors reads and writes a .docX format. Therefore their word-processor uses an "Open" format, right? No holes in that logic!? lol. The Adobe blog does say some very nice things about Pdf. Who produces the Pdf spec? Adobe. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: From: Dennis E. Hamilton Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:03 A variety of PDF specifications have become established as international standards. The first was for PDF/A (archival purposes) and there have been others since. There are of course open-source versions of PDF and Postscript viewers and creators. The code that produces and reads PDF in LibreOffice is clearly an open implementation. The inclusion of attachments and even having an index of attachments is covered in the ISO PDF Standard. It is this feature that is used for hybrid ODF-PDF documents: <http://blogs.adobe.com/insidepdf/2010/11/pdf-file-attachments.html>. (You'll notice that making hybrid Microsoft Office - PDF documents is a feature of Adobe Acrobat products.) The agreement for interoperability with ODF attachments in PDF documents and how they are handled automatically is up to the supporters of ODF-PDF hybrid documents. There is nothing that Adobe needs to do. Any ODF-specific protocol is a matter for the ODF-supporting office suites to work out. If someone wanted to work up and publish an agreed profile for this use case, the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC could be used for that purpose. It would then be up to ODF Consumers that also produce and consume PDF to line up. This is also something that could be made the subject of ODF Plugfest activity. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? Hi :) Pdf is a proprietary format. There is no "Open" version and no community. Testing is done on a relatively small number of machines. It would be really great if there were a successfull OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained even as much traction as Odt etc have. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata wrote: From: Carlo Strata Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: "LibreOffice, users" Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12 Hi Everyone, I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format. This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned. Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format? What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
A variety of PDF specifications have become established as international standards. The first was for PDF/A (archival purposes) and there have been others since. There are of course open-source versions of PDF and Postscript viewers and creators. The code that produces and reads PDF in LibreOffice is clearly an open implementation. The inclusion of attachments and even having an index of attachments is covered in the ISO PDF Standard. It is this feature that is used for hybrid ODF-PDF documents: <http://blogs.adobe.com/insidepdf/2010/11/pdf-file-attachments.html>. (You'll notice that making hybrid Microsoft Office - PDF documents is a feature of Adobe Acrobat products.) The agreement for interoperability with ODF attachments in PDF documents and how they are handled automatically is up to the supporters of ODF-PDF hybrid documents. There is nothing that Adobe needs to do. Any ODF-specific protocol is a matter for the ODF-supporting office suites to work out. If someone wanted to work up and publish an agreed profile for this use case, the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC could be used for that purpose. It would then be up to ODF Consumers that also produce and consume PDF to line up. This is also something that could be made the subject of ODF Plugfest activity. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? Hi :) Pdf is a proprietary format. There is no "Open" version and no community. Testing is done on a relatively small number of machines. It would be really great if there were a successfull OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained even as much traction as Odt etc have. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata wrote: From: Carlo Strata Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: "LibreOffice, users" Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12 Hi Everyone, I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format. This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned. Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format? What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
Hi :) Pdf is a proprietary format. There is no "Open" version and no community. Testing is done on a relatively small number of machines. It would be really great if there were a successfull OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained even as much traction as Odt etc have. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata wrote: From: Carlo Strata Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format? To: "LibreOffice, users" Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12 Hi Everyone, I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format. This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned. Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format? What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
Hi Everyone, I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format. This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned. Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format? What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted