Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[John Kaufmann]

Hi Philip,

You have introduced a useful perspective [which has given me much to think 
about]: the Drawing toolbar can insert a Text Box, not a Text Frame. 
Unfortunately, the Writer Guide and online Help are silent on this topic, so 
some testing is needed to work out the differences, which are subtle:

- A Text Frame is conceptually a block of text, very much aware of the paradigm 
of putting text on paper. It understands page sizes and positions and mutual 
interference with other text (inside or outside of frames) on the page. But it 
/can't/ be rotated.

- A Text Box is a drawing object and, like any other drawing object, not really 
aware of page size or other text on the page, though it does have Wrap 
properties to force other text or drawing objects to respect its boundaries. 
Importantly for my current purpose, a Text Box /can/ be rotated.

From a design standpoint, it would probably be beneficial to understand the 
motivations that prompted development of each of these tools, but that's a 
problem for another day.  IAC, going back to the problem that started this 
thread, I will try putting the table inside a Text Box (not a Frame) to occupy 
the center of the booklet. If there are anchoring or wrapping problems, the 
Text Box may need to be put inside a Frame. If there are no further 
contributions to this thread, I will report back to tie up loose ends on this 
thread.

Thanks for all proposals to solve this problem,
John


On 2024-07-30 08:30, Philip Jackson wrote:

. . .
What about trying the Drawing toolbar and inserting a text frame - that can be 
rotated from the properties list?

Philip

On 30/07/2024 11:57, John Kaufmann wrote:

Mike,

If I understand correctly, your suggestion addresses how to simulate a 
double-wide page at the center, using two frames. But that's not my problem. 
There is no problem having two different page sizes. That is just a matter of 
defining two page styles, then switching to the double-wide page style for just 
the middle of the booklet.

My problem is simply how to rotate a frame - I can't recall how to do that in 
LO. [I'm beginning to wonder if I ever did that with Writer; maybe it was with 
WordPerfect.] If you know how to rotate a frame in Writer, I would be grateful 
to know that.

John


On 2024-07-30 00:58, Michael Coughlin wrote:

John:
I'm no expert in Libre Office, so please forgive me if I don't fully understand 
your situation. My (perhaps very amateur approach) was to suggest that you 
treat the centerfold you need by creating two full-page frames, one for the 
left-hand page and one for the right-hand page. Put  your text into each frame 
by creating the  left page's text and then rotating it t90 degrees to butt it 
up with the text created for the right=hand page, text that you also rotated 90 
degrees. Then, move the respective text blocks so they come close to the gutter 
edges of both pages and appear to butt together.
Somewhere, I read about how to create a landscape-page spread in a document 
that otherwise is made up of portrait pages, but I can't just now remember 
where I saw that information.  I think it was done by inserting two pages, both 
with landscape orientation, into your existing portrait orientation document.

Mike






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[Chris J.]

Hi,


Based on suggestions (thank you), I conducted more experiments with 
autocorrect and em-dash. I don't know if this is what's supposed to 
happen. But this is what did happen.



1. typed a word

2. typed space

3 typed dash dash

4 typed space

5 typed a word

6 typed space

At 6 the previous dash dash was swapped for an em-dash, and this action 
was repeatable. The replace did happen but at a word beyond where it had 
been expected. Also, did not lose formatting. Upshot, the before and 
after blanks seem important signalling tools for the algorithm. I 
thought about it. Does make sense. I'm considering this yet another case 
of expectations and reality not quite meeting in the middle.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[Philip Jackson]

On 30/07/2024 11:57, John Kaufmann wrote:
Hi Mike,

What about trying the Drawing toolbar and inserting a text frame - that can be 
rotated from the properties list?

Philip


Mike,

If I understand correctly, your suggestion addresses how to simulate a 
double-wide page at the center, using two frames. But that's not my problem. 
There is no problem having two different page sizes. That is just a matter of 
defining two page styles, then switching to the double-wide page style for just 
the middle of the booklet.

My problem is simply how to rotate a frame - I can't recall how to do that in 
LO. [I'm beginning to wonder if I ever did that with Writer; maybe it was with 
WordPerfect.] If you know how to rotate a frame in Writer, I would be grateful 
to know that.

John


On 2024-07-30 00:58, Michael Coughlin wrote:

John:
I'm no expert in Libre Office, so please forgive me if I don't fully understand 
your situation. My (perhaps very amateur approach) was to suggest that you 
treat the centerfold you need by creating two full-page frames, one for the 
left-hand page and one for the right-hand page. Put  your text into each frame 
by creating the  left page's text and then rotating it t90 degrees to butt it 
up with the text created for the right=hand page, text that you also rotated 90 
degrees. Then, move the respective text blocks so they come close to the gutter 
edges of both pages and appear to butt together.
Somewhere, I read about how to create a landscape-page spread in a document 
that otherwise is made up of portrait pages, but I can't just now remember 
where I saw that information.  I think it was done by inserting two pages, both 
with landscape orientation, into your existing portrait orientation document.

Mike






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[John Kaufmann]

Mike,

If I understand correctly, your suggestion addresses how to simulate a 
double-wide page at the center, using two frames. But that's not my problem. 
There is no problem having two different page sizes. That is just a matter of 
defining two page styles, then switching to the double-wide page style for just 
the middle of the booklet.

My problem is simply how to rotate a frame - I can't recall how to do that in 
LO. [I'm beginning to wonder if I ever did that with Writer; maybe it was with 
WordPerfect.] If you know how to rotate a frame in Writer, I would be grateful 
to know that.

John


On 2024-07-30 00:58, Michael Coughlin wrote:

John:
I'm no expert in Libre Office, so please forgive me if I don't fully understand 
your situation. My (perhaps very amateur approach) was to suggest that you 
treat the centerfold you need by creating two full-page frames, one for the 
left-hand page and one for the right-hand page. Put  your text into each frame 
by creating the  left page's text and then rotating it t90 degrees to butt it 
up with the text created for the right=hand page, text that you also rotated 90 
degrees. Then, move the respective text blocks so they come close to the gutter 
edges of both pages and appear to butt together.
Somewhere, I read about how to create a landscape-page spread in a document 
that otherwise is made up of portrait pages, but I can't just now remember 
where I saw that information.  I think it was done by inserting two pages, both 
with landscape orientation, into your existing portrait orientation document.

Mike



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[John Kaufmann]

Michael,I'm sorry that I don't understand your proposal.  At its simplest,
  this guidebook can be thought of as having two page types: 7x8.5"
  for the default page and 14x8.5" for the middle page with its
  centerfold spread of a table summarizing documentary requirements.
  As such, that table is oriented 90° counterclockwise to the text
  of the rest of the guidebook; hence my thought to encapsulate that
  table in a frame rotated 90° counterclockwise. I'm afraid I can't
  visualize the use of two separate frames. Could you explain
  further?Thanks,JohnOn 2024-07-29 21:44, Michael Coughlin wrote:
Could you create two separate frames, one (for each
page) and butt them close to the right and left margins of the
two pages) and thereby create a "rotated" impression?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at
  8:27 PM John Kaufmann wrote:
.
  . .LO 7.6.5.2I believe I have done this before (not recently), but 
cannot
  find the earlier example or a solution documented in the LO
  Help or Writer Guide (6.0 or 7.2 or 7.3 (the latest)).I have a 
booklet [as it happens, a guide for election judges]
  which will include, at its centerfold, a long table
  summarizing the documentation for which a judge is
  responsible. Because that table is longer than a page length,
  I want to rotate it 90° counterclockwise, to span the the
  centerfold at what would otherwise be two pages. [Thus the
  page style "Booklet-middle" (14x8.5") is twice the width of
  the default "Booklet" (7x8.5") page, all printed on 14x8.5"
  paper. (Obviously one could similarly use A4 and A5, printed
  on A4.)]To do this, I thought I could put the table inside a frame
  rotated 90° counterclockwise from the normal (superordinate)
  booklet text - but I can't find out how to do that.  The
  Writer Guide (6.0, 7.2, 7.3) has an oblique reference to
  "Marginalia" as an example of text frames rotated 90° from the
  page text, but no guide on how to do that. WG 7.2 and 7.3 even
  include a note, "An example is given in Chapter 8,
  Introduction to Styles" - but, alas, there is nothing there
  [likely a good intention that fell through a crack]. And, LO's
  online Help has nothing on "marginalia" or rotating frames.Can 
someone point to what I am missing?Thanks,John


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[libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

[John Kaufmann]

NB: Five hours after posting this, I have seen no sign of receipt from the 
LibreOffice list, so am sending again. Please excuse me if that ends in 
redundant posts. -jk

LO 7.6.5.2

I believe I have done this before (not recently), but cannot find the earlier 
example or a solution documented in the LO Help or Writer Guide (6.0 or 7.2 or 
7.3 (the latest)).

I have a booklet [as it happens, a guide for election judges] which will include, at its centerfold, a long table 
summarizing the documentation for which a judge is responsible. Because that table is longer than a page length, I 
want to rotate it 90° counterclockwise, to span the the centerfold at what would otherwise be two pages. [Thus the 
page style "Booklet-middle" (14x8.5") is twice the width of the default "Booklet" 
(7x8.5") page, all printed on 14x8.5" paper. (Obviously one could similarly use A4 and A5, printed on 
A4.)]

To do this, I thought I could put the table inside a frame rotated 90° counterclockwise from the normal 
(superordinate) booklet text - but I can't find out how to do that.  The Writer Guide (6.0, 7.2, 7.3) has an 
oblique reference to "Marginalia" as an example of text frames rotated 90° from the page text, but 
no guide on how to do that. WG 7.2 and 7.3 even include a note, "An example is given in Chapter 8, 
Introduction to Styles" - but, alas, there is nothing there [likely a good intention that fell through a 
crack]. And, LO's online Help has nothing on "marginalia" or rotating frames.

Can someone point to what I am missing?

Thanks,
John

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[libreoffice-users] Writer, how to replace Manual Page Breaks (CNTRL-ENTER) with a printable character string.

[honorato moreno ruiz]

 Good afternoon. Sorry my English
I need to replace Manual Page Breaks (CNTRL-ENTER) with a printable character 
string.
My problem is that the "Search" function does not distinguish the Manual Page 
Break from the Paragraph Break (ENTER). That is, putting the expression "$" in 
the "Search" field gives me both the Page Breaks and the Paragraph Breaks. This 
way it replaces all of them, the page ones and the paragraph ones, which is not 
what I want (I need to keep the paragraph ones).
In other words, I can't find the regular expression to search for Page Break 
and it doesn't give me paragraph breaks at the same time.
There is a similar question in April 2023, which can be found by "Remove manual 
page breaks in Writer". But the solution does not work for me, because my 
colleague pjferra needed to replace the page breaks with paragraph breaks, and 
Kyodake responds, correctly, to that need in which it does not matter to 
replace the two types of breaks in the operation, since they are replaced by 
paragraph breaks.
Has this situation arisen before for you? Have you managed to solve it?
Thank you so much for your attention.
Honorato Moreno





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid

[Mike Scott]

On 16/02/2024 07:23, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Mike,


Snap-to-grid doesn't seem to do a lot - but as the grid size isn't 
changeable, it would not be a whole lot of help.


I'm creating very much forms for databases (also for other people). I'm 
using grid only. Helps me very much. Points of the grid are small - 
right. But grid size could be changed to every distance I need.


Thanks for the reply.

I've had another look at this. The grid spacing options are in the main 
'Options' menu, although the forms stuff has a local facility to turn 
off grid.


I still find the grid unusably faint though, even with a colour change. 
It must be an optical illusion, but the grid seems fainter the more I 
expand the screen image to get better accuracy. It seems quite dark with 
small scales, all but invisible at expanded scales.


The other issue is that, yes, it does snap horizontally to the grid. 
Vertically however it seems to snap to positions between the grid 
points, taking two unequal steps to move between snap locations. Most odd.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Mike,


Snap-to-grid doesn't seem to do a lot - but as the grid size isn't 
changeable, it would not be a whole lot of help.


I'm creating very much forms for databases (also for other people). I'm 
using grid only. Helps me very much. Points of the grid are small - 
right. But grid size could be changed to every distance I need.


Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid

[Mike Scott]

On 11/02/2024 18:25, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Mike,

you could set something for the grid in
Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → Grid
Subdivisin will set more ore less grid points between the main points.

You could set the color for the grid in
Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Application Colors → Writer → Grid
but the problem will be: the grid points are only one pixel.

You could use helplines while moving a control:
View → Grid and Helplines → Helplines while moving

Regards

Robert


Thanks for the input.

I've tried changing the colour, which helps a little. But the dots are 
still unusably faint I'm afraid. Oddly they're actually quite visible 
when the image is scaled down - but the more I magnify to allow more 
accurate positioning the fainter they appear.


Snap-to-grid doesn't seem to do a lot - but as the grid size isn't 
changeable, it would not be a whole lot of help.


The helplines do help to get rough alignment.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Mike,

you could set something for the grid in
Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → Grid
Subdivisin will set more ore less grid points between the main points.

You could set the color for the grid in
Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Application Colors → Writer → Grid
but the problem will be: the grid points are only one pixel.

You could use helplines while moving a control:
View → Grid and Helplines → Helplines while moving

Regards

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[libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid

[Mike Scott]

Hi all.

I've tried turning on the grid for form design in Writer. There are some 
dots there, but so faint as to be virtually invisible. It's quite unusable.


Is there a way of making them more visible, and even of changing the 
spacing please? I hope I've just missed something obvious!


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[libreoffice-users] Writer input fiels for form letter?

[dboland9]

How can fields be added to a Writer document so that the field prompts for the 
data? For example, imagine a business letter like this:

 (when cursor over field, it says "Enter the desired date")
 (When cursor over field, it says "Enter the name of the 
recipient")
Re:  (When cursor over field, it says "Enter the subject of the 
letter")
Encl:  (When the cursor over field, it says "Enter the number of 
enclosures")

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[Michael D. Setzer II]

Didn't specify if number meant just digits, so did test with 
[[:digit:]\|"$"\"."\","]

That replaces digits and "$.,", but would replace them appearing 
elsewhere as well. Might also add "+-" as well.
Also, in my test made font a mono font, since replacing digits with 
spaces would shift alignment.

An example of the data might have been useful to come with a 
more complete answer.

On 30 Jun 2023 at 17:54, . wrote:

Date sent:  Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:54:26 -0400
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and 
replace a number
To: Eyal Rozenberg , 
users@global.libreoffice.org
From:   "." 

> Perfect!  Thank you!
> 
> Peter
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> *From:* Eyal Rozenberg [mailto:eyalr...@gmx.com]
> *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number
> *Date:* Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM
> *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org, .
> 
> > 1. Open the "Find and Replace" dialog (e.g. with Ctrl+H).
> > 2. Check the "Regular Expressions" checkbox in the lower part of the 
> > dialog
> > 3. Enter a regular expression which will match numbers: [0-9]+ (with
> > the plus sign!).
> > 4. Enter the replacement text you want (you can use $1 in the
> > replacement string to get the number that was matched)
> > 5. Press "Find Next" and then possibly "Replace" or "Replace All" as
> > appropriate
> >
> > What does the regexp mean? It means "One or more occurrences of a
> > character from the sequence 0-9". For more about regular expressions,
> > see for example: https://www.sitepoint.com/learn-regex/
> >
> > Hope that helped,
> > Eyal
> >
> >
> > On 01/07/2023 0:26, . wrote:
> >> How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?
> >>
> >> What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.
> >>
> >> I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and
> >> can't figure out a wild card for numbers.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[Alan B]

p.s. I've just seen Eyal Rozenberg's answer which is quite similar.

Aside from [0-9]+ vs [:digit:] there is one significant difference, the "+"
at the end.

Using Eyal's method any consecutive string of digits is replaced with
whatever is in "Replace:".

Using the method I offered each individual digit is replaced by what is in
the "Replace:" field.

That is not because of [0-9] vs [:digit:] but because of the "+".

Pick whichever meets your needs best.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 6:04 PM Alan B  wrote:

> Regular expressions (regex) are a challenge to get your mind around. Your
> need seems to be straight forward so there's not a lot to absorb to use
> regex for this case.
>
> Open the "Find & Replace" dialog.
>
> In the "Find:" field enter "[:digit:]" without the quotes.
>
> In the "Replace:" field put whatever you'd like to replace EACH digit with.
>
> Tick "Regular expressions" in "Other options".
>
> The regex given will find each individual digit no matter what it is and
> replace it with whatever is in the "Replace:" field.
>
> In essence, it is giving that wildcard you want for numbers.
>
> If you want to experiment some with regex, branching out from the above,
> check the LO regular expression webpage.
> https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/shared/01/0211.html
>
> I hope this is what you are looking for.
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 5:27 PM .  wrote:
>
>> How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?
>>
>> What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.
>>
>> I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and
>> can't figure out a wild card for numbers.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[Alan B]

Regular expressions (regex) are a challenge to get your mind around. Your
need seems to be straight forward so there's not a lot to absorb to use
regex for this case.

Open the "Find & Replace" dialog.

In the "Find:" field enter "[:digit:]" without the quotes.

In the "Replace:" field put whatever you'd like to replace EACH digit with.

Tick "Regular expressions" in "Other options".

The regex given will find each individual digit no matter what it is and
replace it with whatever is in the "Replace:" field.

In essence, it is giving that wildcard you want for numbers.

If you want to experiment some with regex, branching out from the above,
check the LO regular expression webpage.
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/shared/01/0211.html

I hope this is what you are looking for.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 5:27 PM .  wrote:

> How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?
>
> What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.
>
> I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and
> can't figure out a wild card for numbers.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[.]

Perfect!  Thank you!

Peter

*From:* Eyal Rozenberg [mailto:eyalr...@gmx.com]
*Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number
*Date:* Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org, .


1. Open the "Find and Replace" dialog (e.g. with Ctrl+H).
2. Check the "Regular Expressions" checkbox in the lower part of the 
dialog

3. Enter a regular expression which will match numbers: [0-9]+ (with
the plus sign!).
4. Enter the replacement text you want (you can use $1 in the
replacement string to get the number that was matched)
5. Press "Find Next" and then possibly "Replace" or "Replace All" as
appropriate

What does the regexp mean? It means "One or more occurrences of a
character from the sequence 0-9". For more about regular expressions,
see for example: https://www.sitepoint.com/learn-regex/

Hope that helped,
Eyal


On 01/07/2023 0:26, . wrote:

How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?

What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.

I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and
can't figure out a wild card for numbers.

Any ideas?


Thanks,

Peter





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[Eyal Rozenberg]

1. Open the "Find and Replace" dialog (e.g. with Ctrl+H).
2. Check the "Regular Expressions" checkbox in the lower part of the dialog
3. Enter a regular expression which will match numbers: [0-9]+  (with
the plus sign!).
4. Enter the replacement text you want (you can use $1 in the
replacement string to get the number that was matched)
5. Press "Find Next" and then possibly "Replace" or "Replace All" as
appropriate

What does the regexp mean? It means "One or more occurrences of a
character from the sequence 0-9". For more about regular expressions,
see for example: https://www.sitepoint.com/learn-regex/

Hope that helped,
Eyal


On 01/07/2023 0:26, . wrote:

How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?

What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.

I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and
can't figure out a wild card for numbers.

Any ideas?


Thanks,

Peter




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[libreoffice-users] Writer- find and replace a number

[.]

How do I find and replace all numbers in Writer?

What I'm trying to do is get rid of the numbers in a list.

I have NO idea what they're talking about "regular expressions" and 
can't figure out a wild card for numbers.


Any ideas?


Thanks,

Peter


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

[.]

I figured it outsort of.

Here's what I did to fix it;

1- Cut from the document the section that wasn't creating hyperlinks in 
the TOC.
2- Paste the cut portion in another document and verified that proper 
hyperlinks were created in the TOC.
3- Cut and pasted that portion from step 2 back into the original 
document then inserted the TOC.

4- The links now work fine.

Peter

On 5/20/23 17:54, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. wrote:

I just checked using LO 7.3 under Windows 10 with a document created 2 or 3 
months ago, and the TOC links work fine, taking me to the appropriate section. 
I checked with the same document using LO 6.1 under Debian Linux 10 and the 
links worked properly there also.
- Robert


From: Tim Lloyd
Sent: May 20, 2023 17:17
To:users@global.libreoffice.org  
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

Hi,

I had a quick look at an old writer doc and this works as you explained
it. Fedora 38 with LO 7.5.3.2

I haven't tried it yet with a new doc

Regards

On 21/5/23 01:30, . wrote:

When using Writer I added a table of contents (TOC) and all of the
individual contents lines, when hovering over one, will say
"Ctrl+click to open hyperlink"

However, when doing  a "ctrl-click" and clicking on the link (the
little hand appearing) the link doesn't take me to the page that's
being referred to- it only stays on the link I just clicked.

How can I fix this?

Thanks,

Peter




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

[W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.]

I just checked using LO 7.3 under Windows 10 with a document created 2 or 3 
months ago, and the TOC links work fine, taking me to the appropriate section. 
I checked with the same document using LO 6.1 under Debian Linux 10 and the 
links worked properly there also.
- Robert


From: Tim Lloyd 
Sent: May 20, 2023 17:17
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

Hi,

I had a quick look at an old writer doc and this works as you explained
it. Fedora 38 with LO 7.5.3.2

I haven't tried it yet with a new doc

Regards

On 21/5/23 01:30, . wrote:
> When using Writer I added a table of contents (TOC) and all of the
> individual contents lines, when hovering over one, will say
> "Ctrl+click to open hyperlink"
>
> However, when doing  a "ctrl-click" and clicking on the link (the
> little hand appearing) the link doesn't take me to the page that's
> being referred to- it only stays on the link I just clicked.
>
> How can I fix this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

[Tim Lloyd]

Hi,

I had a quick look at an old writer doc and this works as you explained
it. Fedora 38 with LO 7.5.3.2

I haven't tried it yet with a new doc

Regards

On 21/5/23 01:30, . wrote:

When using Writer I added a table of contents (TOC) and all of the
individual contents lines, when hovering over one, will say
"Ctrl+click to open hyperlink"

However, when doing  a "ctrl-click" and clicking on the link (the
little hand appearing) the link doesn't take me to the page that's
being referred to- it only stays on the link I just clicked.

How can I fix this?

Thanks,

Peter




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[libreoffice-users] Writer- table of contents hyperlink problem

[.]

When using Writer I added a table of contents (TOC) and all of the 
individual contents lines, when hovering over one, will say "Ctrl+click 
to open hyperlink"


However, when doing  a "ctrl-click" and clicking on the link (the little 
hand appearing) the link doesn't take me to the page that's being 
referred to- it only stays on the link I just clicked.


How can I fix this?

Thanks,

Peter


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[libreoffice-users] [writer] bullets numbering

[Michael Powell]

Hello,

How do I persuade LO Writer to present bullets and numbering in a style,
i.e.,

1. ...
  1.1 ...
  1.2 ...
  (i) ...
  (ii) ...
(a) ...

And so forth.

Note especially the first couple of levels, 1.1, 1.2, I am so far
unsuccessful in doing so.

At the moment running a somewhat older version, 7.0.1.2 (x64), so maybe
this has been addressed since, I do not know.

Version: 7.0.1.2 (x64)
Build ID: 7cbcfc562f6eb6708b5ff7d7397325de9e764452
CPU threads: 32; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19041; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL:
win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: CL

Cheers, thank you,

Michael

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[libreoffice-users] Writer Default Caption Category for Pasted Image.

[Dave Barton]

Is there any way to set the default caption category for an image PASTED
into a Writer document, in the same way as for an image INSERTED into a
Writer document?
Looks like a reasonable RFE.

Apologies if this appears on the list as a duplicate post.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Chuck Stuettgen]

Thanks for your efforts.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 1:11 AM Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> have described this in
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152207
>
> Will be fixed in LO 7.5, don't know if there is a backport to older
> versions of LO.
>
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>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Chuck,

have described this in 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152207


Will be fixed in LO 7.5, don't know if there is a backport to older 
versions of LO.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[RealNameTBA]

+1

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:06 PM, Chuck Stuettgen  wrote:

> I hope so too.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:58 PM MR ZenWiz  wrote:
>
>> I have an open bug on this that has been promised a fix in 7.5.0.
>>
>> I hope they make good on that.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 4:46 PM Chuck Stuettgen 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The cursor not returning to a document's last edited location still
>> occurs
>> > in Libreoffice version 7.3.7 which is included in the Ubuntu release
>> 22.04
>> > and Linux Mint 21.
>> >
>> > I uninstalled version 7.3.7 provided by Linux Mint, then downloaded and
>> > installed version 7.4.3.2 directly from the LibreOffice Downloads site.
>> >
>> > After installing version 7.4.3.2 some documents would open at the correct
>> > last edited location and others would still open at a random location.
>> >
>> > I finally eliminated the problem by uninstalling 7.4.3.2 and installing
>> > version 7.0.6.2. Every document I tried would reopen properly at the
>> last
>> > edited location.
>> >
>> > I am going stick with version 7.0.6.2 until the issue is resolved once
>> and
>> > for all on the latest releases.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Chuck Stuettgen]

I hope so too.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:58 PM MR ZenWiz  wrote:

> I have an open bug on this that has been promised a fix in 7.5.0.
>
> I hope they make good on that.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 4:46 PM Chuck Stuettgen 
> wrote:
> >
> > The cursor not returning to a document's last edited location still
> occurs
> > in Libreoffice version 7.3.7 which is included in the Ubuntu release
> 22.04
> > and Linux Mint 21.
> >
> > I uninstalled version 7.3.7 provided by Linux Mint, then downloaded and
> > installed version 7.4.3.2 directly from the LibreOffice Downloads site.
> >
> > After installing version 7.4.3.2 some documents would open at the correct
> > last edited location and others would still open at a random location.
> >
> > I finally eliminated the problem by uninstalling 7.4.3.2 and installing
> > version 7.0.6.2.  Every document I tried would reopen properly at the
> last
> > edited location.
> >
> > I am going stick with version 7.0.6.2 until the issue is resolved once
> and
> > for all on the latest releases.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Chuck Stuettgen]

The cursor not returning to a document's last edited location still occurs
in Libreoffice version 7.3.7 which is included in the Ubuntu release 22.04
and Linux Mint 21.

I uninstalled version 7.3.7 provided by Linux Mint, then downloaded and
installed version 7.4.3.2 directly from the LibreOffice Downloads site.

After installing version 7.4.3.2 some documents would open at the correct
last edited location and others would still open at a random location.

I finally eliminated the problem by uninstalling 7.4.3.2 and installing
version 7.0.6.2.  Every document I tried would reopen properly at the last
edited location.

I am going stick with version 7.0.6.2 until the issue is resolved once and
for all on the latest releases.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Robert Großkopf]

Reported this bug:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152207

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Robert Großkopf]

One more hint:

Created a small document with default "Lore Impsum" and images. If there 
are many images Writer won't find the right position inside the text 
again if it is at the end of the document and sets the cursor at the 
start of the text.


Seems it runs like: Load text, goto page - oh, the page isn't there, so 
go to start. After cursor has been set the images will be loaded and the 
page will be there …


I will report a bug for this.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Tim,


My writer document is not opening in the place I exited. Any ideas how 
to return to the same place?


Did you include images? Are there images with bigger width than the 
width for the content (page-width - marin left and margin right)?


Dtected this in a document: Changing content at pages before I included 
images with bigger width han the content allows - save, close and 
reopen: I got the right place for the cursor.
Canging content after included images, save close and reopen: Document 
will show the cursor at start of the document, couldn't find last place.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Tim Lloyd]

Sorry I should have worded it better

My writer document is not opening in the place I exited. Any ideas how 
to return to the same place?


Regards

On 25/11/22 09:24, Andrew Pitonyak wrote:

Are you asking where your macros are stored.

I am far from a computer for a few days, but, unless you manually moved them, 
they should still be in the original location...

Probably similar to

/home/tim/.config/libre office/3.5//basic


If you make if into .config you can probably search for basic using find.




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On Nov 24, 2022, 4:55 PM, at 4:55 PM, Tim Lloyd  wrote:

Hi,

Running Fedora 36

Currently LO version 7.3.7.2

Earlier this week I had huge problems due to power spikes. I had
problems accessing my LO documents and I thought it best to uninstall
and reinstall. This I did from the fedora repos.

This is an old problem where I exit and save a writer doc on "this"
page
but it goes to "that" page when I reopen the document. From memory
setting up personal data is the key to getting this to work and I have
done that.

Any ideas why I can't open up again where I left off?

My config/libreoffice/ files are intact from before the uninstall. I
would delete these but I am not sure how to store my macros.

Regards


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Andrew Pitonyak]

Are you asking where your macros are stored.

I am far from a computer for a few days, but, unless you manually moved them, 
they should still be in the original location...

Probably similar to

/home/tim/.config/libre office/3.5//basic


If you make if into .config you can probably search for basic using find.




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On Nov 24, 2022, 4:55 PM, at 4:55 PM, Tim Lloyd  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Running Fedora 36
>
>Currently LO version 7.3.7.2
>
>Earlier this week I had huge problems due to power spikes. I had 
>problems accessing my LO documents and I thought it best to uninstall 
>and reinstall. This I did from the fedora repos.
>
>This is an old problem where I exit and save a writer doc on "this"
>page 
>but it goes to "that" page when I reopen the document. From memory 
>setting up personal data is the key to getting this to work and I have 
>done that.
>
>Any ideas why I can't open up again where I left off?
>
>My config/libreoffice/ files are intact from before the uninstall. I 
>would delete these but I am not sure how to store my macros.
>
>Regards
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[libreoffice-users] Writer doc not going back to where I exited

[Tim Lloyd]

Hi,

Running Fedora 36

Currently LO version 7.3.7.2

Earlier this week I had huge problems due to power spikes. I had 
problems accessing my LO documents and I thought it best to uninstall 
and reinstall. This I did from the fedora repos.


This is an old problem where I exit and save a writer doc on "this" page 
but it goes to "that" page when I reopen the document. From memory 
setting up personal data is the key to getting this to work and I have 
done that.


Any ideas why I can't open up again where I left off?

My config/libreoffice/ files are intact from before the uninstall. I 
would delete these but I am not sure how to store my macros.


Regards


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[LO . Harald . Berger]

Hi John,

Am 10.10.2022 um 08:27 schrieb John Kaufmann:

Hi Harald,

i apologize for taking days to reply. After a week of work 
emergencies, I have finally had a chance to digest your link and think 
through the issues.


On 2022-10-02 12:35, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 14:30 schrieb John Kaufmann:

On 2022-10-02 02:50, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:

...
Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style 
"No Character Style" that:


"No Character Style is actually the set of character properties 
of the current paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to 
reset the character properties of the selection to those of the 
paragraph style."


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, 
isn't it?). 


Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older 
LibreOffice versions.


Thank you. After thinking about your point, I realize that the 
"Default" character style was renamed "No Character Style" for the 
benefit of dummies (like me) who did not see the point earlier, that 
"Default" means revert to the character attributes of the underlying 
paragraph style. (No release notes are needed for that.)


That said, this exposes my second problem:

But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default 
Paragraph Style" (about which the Help is silent)? Is not the 
Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph 
style? What does it mean to designate a Character style as 
"Default Paragraph Style"?


The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all 
paragraph styles, IMHO it should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.


I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character 
style?  My question is about the different purposes of the 
/Character/ styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I 
asked, What does it mean to designate a /Character/ style as 
"Default Paragraph Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".


I must have misunderstood that then.


If you misunderstood, it was only because my question was confused.  
What I did not know then about the "Default Paragraph Style" 
*character* style is that it was *NOT* part of the LO package, but was 
a *custom* character style, produced in our office to try to produce 
what LO's "Default"/"No Character Style" already provided (and was 
given the name "Default Paragraph Style" (which happens to be the same 
name as the base *paragraph* style) to emphasize its purpose: to 
revert any character attributes to the default attributes defined by 
the relevant paragraph style).


I apologize for the noise in that regard; before posting, I should 
have noticed that it was a *custom* character style. (When I realized 
that -- and that it was unnecessary and confusing -- I removed it from 
the system.)

No need for apologies. Not for this.


Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character 
styles, it is among the parent choices when defining a new Character 
style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when 
"Inherit from" is set to ... "No Character Style" vs "- None -"? [I 
have not detected a difference.]

...
Let's look at it from the text. Let's say you have written 10 
paragraphs and each paragraph has a different paragraph style.
Now you want to bold one word in each paragraph. You select the words 
and assign the character style "Strong Emphasis" to each.
Now you have added one word too many with the character style sheet 
"Strong Emphasis".
You now select the word and assign the "No Character Style" character 
style sheet. The word now has its old format meaning again.



Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer

...


That was very good [though I could offer a couple minor suggestions*], 
but I'm sorry to have given the impression that I was unaware of 
either (a) the basic value of styles or (b) the relationship of 
Writer's character to paragraph styles.


The most important thing I learned from your link was about the Style 
Inspector, a great addition to the LO toolset. I'm embarrassed that I 
did not remark on it when I moved to LO 7, and somehow managed to work 
with the other Sidebar tools (mostly Navigator and Styles) without 
noticing it.


[* I mentioned that I could offer two minor suggestions on your link. 
In doing so, I recognize that these are problems inherent in any 
system produced in multiple languages: How to name something in 
translation?  However, since the page was translated from German 
(Professionelle Arbeit in Writer) to English (Professional work in 
Writer), I assume that the translation wants to use the corresponding 
English naming used in the LO system. To that end,

(1) "Delete Direct Formatting" => "Clear Direct Formatting"

Thank you for your careful reading.
Normally it should not happen.
For the terms in LibreOffice, I use an Eng

Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[John Kaufmann]

Hi Michael,

I apologize for taking days to reply. As I noted to Harald, I had to get 
through a week's emergencies to be able to think about what you both had 
written.

On 2022-10-02 10:01, Michael H wrote:


If you save your document as .fodt - Flat Opendocument, you can then open the 
document in a plain text editor and see exactly what each style does.  That is 
you'll be able to see the underlying XML spelled out.


Thanks. I did so. It was instructive, but what I learned most (in a couple 
hours of study) was to get a sense of how much time I might need to build tools 
to parse a Writer file (which I presume you have done already) -- and I just do 
not have the much time now, or even this year. (It would be rewarding to return 
to that someday.)

However, regarding the specific question of inheritance (from "-None-" or from "No 
Character Style"), your answer was particularly helpful:

...
- ... "none" means you get the "create new style" dialogs with no parent style 
filled in.  This means the character style definition will be more complete, and rely less on the 
parent style.


Yes, that I understood.


- the "No Character Style" option while typing doesn't insert XML for a 
character style, but moves the editing cursor after the already open Character style if 
you're at the end, or creates an end/open for the style if there are more visible 
characters and leaves the cursor in between these tags.


If I select "No Character Style" as the parent of a Character style, do I not get the 
same effect as selecting "-None-"?

Thanks again,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[John Kaufmann]

Hi Harald,

i apologize for taking days to reply. After a week of work emergencies, I have 
finally had a chance to digest your link and think through the issues.

On 2022-10-02 12:35, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 14:30 schrieb John Kaufmann:

On 2022-10-02 02:50, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:

...

Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style "No Character 
Style" that:


"No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of the current 
paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the character properties of the 
selection to those of the paragraph style."


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, isn't it?). 


Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older LibreOffice 
versions.


Thank you. After thinking about your point, I realize that the "Default" character style was 
renamed "No Character Style" for the benefit of dummies (like me) who did not see the point 
earlier, that "Default" means revert to the character attributes of the underlying paragraph style. 
(No release notes are needed for that.)

That said, this exposes my second problem:


But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default Paragraph Style" (about 
which the Help is silent)? Is not the Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph 
style? What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default Paragraph Style"?


The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph styles, IMHO it 
should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.


I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character style?  My question is about the different purposes 
of the /Character/ styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I asked, What does it mean to designate a 
/Character/ style as "Default Paragraph Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".


I must have misunderstood that then.


If you misunderstood, it was only because my question was confused.  What I did not know then about the "Default 
Paragraph Style" *character* style is that it was *NOT* part of the LO package, but was a *custom* character 
style, produced in our office to try to produce what LO's "Default"/"No Character Style" already 
provided (and was given the name "Default Paragraph Style" (which happens to be the same name as the base 
*paragraph* style) to emphasize its purpose: to revert any character attributes to the default attributes defined by 
the relevant paragraph style).

I apologize for the noise in that regard; before posting, I should have noticed 
that it was a *custom* character style. (When I realized that -- and that it 
was unnecessary and confusing -- I removed it from the system.)



Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character styles, it is among the parent choices when 
defining a new Character style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when "Inherit from" is set 
to ... "No Character Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]

...
Let's look at it from the text. Let's say you have written 10 paragraphs and 
each paragraph has a different paragraph style.
Now you want to bold one word in each paragraph. You select the words and assign the 
character style "Strong Emphasis" to each.
Now you have added one word too many with the character style sheet "Strong 
Emphasis".
You now select the word and assign the "No Character Style" character style 
sheet. The word now has its old format meaning again.


Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer

...


That was very good [though I could offer a couple minor suggestions*], but I'm 
sorry to have given the impression that I was unaware of either (a) the basic 
value of styles or (b) the relationship of Writer's character to paragraph 
styles.

The most important thing I learned from your link was about the Style 
Inspector, a great addition to the LO toolset. I'm embarrassed that I did not 
remark on it when I moved to LO 7, and somehow managed to work with the other 
Sidebar tools (mostly Navigator and Styles) without noticing it.

[* I mentioned that I could offer two minor suggestions on your link. In doing 
so, I recognize that these are problems inherent in any system produced in 
multiple languages: How to name something in translation?  However, since the 
page was translated from German (Professionelle Arbeit in Writer) to English 
(Professional work in Writer), I assume that the translation wants to use the 
corresponding English naming used in the LO system. To that end,
(1) "Delete Direct Formatting" => "Clear Direct Formatting"
(2) Where you say 'All other paragraph styles are derived from the 
"Standard" paragraph style', do you mean:
'All other paragraph styles are derived from the "Default Paragraph 
Style"'?]


Thanks to you 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[LO . Harald . Berger]

Hi John,

Am 02.10.2022 um 14:30 schrieb John Kaufmann:

On 2022-10-02 02:50, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:


Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style 
"No Character Style" that:


"No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of 
the current paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the 
character properties of the selection to those of the paragraph 
style."


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, 
isn't it?). 


Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older 
LibreOffice versions.


Do you know exactly when it changed? I'm searching for release notes.

No, sorry.



But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default 
Paragraph Style" (about which the Help is silent)? Is not the 
Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph style? 
What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default 
Paragraph Style"?


The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph 
styles, IMHO it should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.


I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character 
style?  My question is about the different purposes of the /Character/ 
styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I asked, What does 
it mean to designate a /Character/ style as "Default Paragraph 
Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".


I must have misunderstood that then.
Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character 
styles, it is among the parent choices when defining a new Character 
style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when 
"Inherit from" is set to "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character 
Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]


Unfortunately, I did not understand your last paragraph (sorry). Why vs?


Sorry. The contraction "vs" [versus] is simply a shorthand way of 
contrasting members of a class. In other words, what is the difference 
between Inheriting a Character style:

- from "Default Paragraph Font" or
- from "No Character Style" or
- from "- None -" ?


Well, vs was and is already clear to me.
However, your juxtaposition as a question is unclear to me.
I will try to give an answer, in the hope that it answers your question 
somehow.


Let's look at it from the text. Let's say you have written 10 paragraphs 
and each paragraph has a different paragraph style.
Now you want to bold one word in each paragraph. You select the words 
and assign the character style "Strong Emphasis" to each.
Now you have added one word too many with the character style sheet 
"Strong Emphasis".
You now select the word and assign the "No Character Style" character 
style sheet. The word now has its old format meaning again.





Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer


Thanks. I look forward to seeing that. Unfortunately, for the past 
hour the status of that URL is:


"Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

"Try waiting a few minutes and reloading."

"(Cannot access the database: Unknown error (localhost))"



This should be fixed.

Kind Regards
Harald


I will keep trying that, because it sounds promising.  As you say, 
there is a change here (which makes sense; Character styles have 
always suffered somewhat from unclear motivation). I'm sure that there 
are release notes on this topic somewhere, but don't know where to 
find them. However, I will continue looking, and am currently looking in:
. 



I appreciate your response.
Kind regards,
John




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[John Kaufmann]

On 2022-10-02 02:50, lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de wrote:

Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:



Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style "No Character 
Style" that:


"No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of the current 
paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the character properties of the 
selection to those of the paragraph style."


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, isn't it?). 


Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older LibreOffice 
versions.


Do you know exactly when it changed? I'm searching for release notes.

 

But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default Paragraph Style" (about 
which the Help is silent)? Is not the Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph 
style? What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default Paragraph Style"?


The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph styles, IMHO it 
should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.


I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character style?  My question is about the different purposes 
of the /Character/ styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I asked, What does it mean to designate a 
/Character/ style as "Default Paragraph Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".



Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character styles, it is among the parent choices when defining 
a new Character style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when "Inherit from" is set to "Default 
Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]


Unfortunately, I did not understand your last paragraph (sorry). Why vs?


Sorry. The contraction "vs" [versus] is simply a shorthand way of contrasting 
members of a class. In other words, what is the difference between Inheriting a Character 
style:
- from "Default Paragraph Font" or
- from "No Character Style" or
- from "- None -" ?



Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer


Thanks. I look forward to seeing that. Unfortunately, for the past hour the 
status of that URL is:


"Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."

"Try waiting a few minutes and reloading."

"(Cannot access the database: Unknown error (localhost))"


I will keep trying that, because it sounds promising.  As you say, there is a 
change here (which makes sense; Character styles have always suffered somewhat 
from unclear motivation). I'm sure that there are release notes on this topic 
somewhere, but don't know where to find them. However, I will continue looking, 
and am currently looking in:

.

I appreciate your response.
Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[LO . Harald . Berger]

Hi John,

> That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, 
isn't it?).


Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older 
LibreOffice versions.


The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph 
styles, IMHO it should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.


Unfortunately, I did not understand your last paragraph (sorry). Why vs?

Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer

Best Regards
Harald

Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:
Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style "No 
Character Style" that:


No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of the 
current paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the 
character properties of the selection to those of the paragraph style.


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, isn't 
it?).  But then how does that differ from the particular style 
"Default Paragraph Style" (about which the Help is silent)? Is not the 
Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph style?  
What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default Paragraph 
Style"?


Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character 
styles, it is among the parent choices when defining a new Character 
style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when 
"Inherit from" is set to "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character 
Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]


John




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[libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

[John Kaufmann]

Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style "No Character 
Style" that:


No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of the current 
paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the character properties of 
the selection to those of the paragraph style.


That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, isn't it?).  But then how does 
that differ from the particular style "Default Paragraph Style" (about which the Help is 
silent)?  Is not the Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph style?  What does 
it mean to designate a Character style as "Default Paragraph Style"?

Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character styles, it is among the parent choices when defining 
a new Character style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when "Inherit from" is set to "Default 
Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer slow display

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Thomas,

as I wrote in this list on 2022-02-09 12:22
it seems to be a known bug:

See special this comment in the bug description:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145963#c16

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[libreoffice-users] Writer slow display

[Thomas Blasejewicz]

Good evening
I believe I have asked this before.
Currently running Windows 10 machine and LibreOffice 7.2.5.2 - just 
updated from 7.1.8 ..


Typing in Writer the display of characters on the screen very annoyingly 
lacks behing my typing.

It is definitely slower than in 7.1.8.
As Mr. Großkopf suggested:
did you try to disable Skia? (Options → LO → View → Graphics Output)

Yes, I did disable that.
With 7.1.8 the "display velocity" (if there is such a term) was 
acceptable, but with 7.2.5.2 it is VERY uncomfortable to work with Writer.


Is there another trick that might speed up the display.
By the way, in Calc I do not notice any annoying slowness.

Thank you.
Thomas

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[libreoffice-users] Writer indents and spacing in "ch" and "line"

[John Kaufmann]

LO 7 introduced a new way of thinking about, and sizing, indents and spacing in Writer - from 
definite units of measure (inch, mm, pt, ...) to "ch" and "line" of a reference 
style's font characteristics.  I'm sure there's a reason for that change, but still have not found 
it, and have not even found how it connects to such reference style (set in the Page style).

I read the guide on "Page Line-spacing Printing" but don't find it on-point, as 
these new measures apply whether or not page-line-spacing is activated in the relevant 
Page and Paragraph styles.  Can someone point me to an explanation of the reason for, and 
use of, these new units of spacing?

Thanks,
John

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[libreoffice-users] Writer has reformatted tables with images after update.

[Steve Edmonds]

Hi
I don't know if this issue is a bug or a new way of doing things in Writer.
If it is a bug I believe it is related to 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140408


I have many documents created over the last few years and regularly 
edited with tables containing hundreds of images, one per cell. The 
images were inserted into the tables by drag and drop and automatically 
anchored to paragraph and the table row expanded height to accommodate 
the image.


Now (at lease since LO 7.0) if I open these documents the table rows 
have shrunk behind the images and the images all overlap each other and 
rows below.
I resolve this by changing the image to anchor "as character" and the 
paragraph to "Centred" and the table row expands to appear as it did 
previously.


If this is a major chore to fix so if it is a bug I will hope it is 
resolved before I need to edit too many documents. Just opening a 
document to fix a typo means redoing all the images in tables in that 
document. If it is a change to the way Writer is going to handle images 
in tables, I will just have to live with fixing these up as I edit the 
documents.


Thanks, steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[John Kaufmann]

On 2021-07-25 16:54, Regina Henschel wrote:

John Kaufmann schrieb am 25.07.2021 um 15:49:

On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

...
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape callouts 
makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer neither for the shape 
itself nor for the text in the shape styles are possible. You can only use 
direct formatting in Writer.


Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts implies that 
the basic idea has been around for some time, and special callout shapes were 
added later. Do you recall when it started, and at what point someone was moved 
to add custom shapes?


The legacy callouts are a kind of text box. They exists from the beginning in 
StarOffice. Custom shapes are introduced in OpenOffice.org 2.0. They are part 
of the change from OpenOffice XML to ODF 1.0.

  In order to

understand the issue (and any possible deficiencies) further, I would like to:
  (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the 
Drawing toolbar (but not made visible).


They are visible, if you have enabled support for East Asian languages in Tools > 
Options > Language Settings > Languages > Asian.


Perfect! Thank you! - This has been an important education.

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[John Kaufmann]

Hi Philip,

On 2021-07-25 16:04, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 25/07/2021 15:49, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

...
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape callouts 
makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer neither for the shape 
itself nor for the text in the shape styles are possible. You can only use 
direct formatting in Writer.


Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts implies that 
the basic idea has been around for some time, and special callout shapes were 
added later. Do you recall when it started, and at what point someone was moved 
to add custom shapes? In order to understand the issue (and any possible 
deficiencies) further, I would like to:
 (1) see the earliest Writer Guide and Help in which callouts are mentioned;
 (2) try to understand why special shapes were of more interest than style 
support;
 (3) try to understand the intended use of the "Callouts" toolbar, and why it 
has not been made visible;
 (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the Drawing 
toolbar (but not made visible).


I've been intrigued by this thread. Callouts was something I'd never heard of 
but I've now found them quite useful. As far as documentation is concerned, I 
have an old file, GS42-GettingStartedLO.pdf, from 2014 in which a search for 
'callouts' gets several hits on 3 pages.


I don't have GS42, but do have GS60, and it seems the same: 6 instances of "callouts" and 
1 "callout" over 3 pages.



The first says "For more information, see the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Getting Started 
with Draw, or the Impress Guide Chapters 4, 5, and 6." ...


Check (p.183).



The next says "Click on the triangle to the right of the Callouts icon to open the 
Callouts toolbar for drawing".  So it would appear that the callouts toolbar is 
nothing more than a dropdown from the callouts icon in the Drawing toolbar.


Check (p.212): Yes-though note that "Callouts" is not shown in View=>Toolbars.

Now I think I understand why: "Toolbar" is a generic term for two related entities: groupings of commands (like 
"Callout" and "Vertical Callout") and groupings of command /options/ (like "Callout Shapes", Flowchart 
Shapes", "Star Shapes", ...).  Only groupings of *commands* are shown under View=>Toolbars.  Groupings of *command 
/options/* (what might be called 'option toolbars') are invoked only from their respective commands on the Drawing toolbar:
CalloutsBasic ShapesLines and ArrowsBlock Arrows
Flowchart   Symbol Shapes   Curves and Polygons Stars and 
Banners

[That answers my question (3) above.]



The 3rd page just shows that there are 2 callout icons on the Drawing toolbar. 
In fact, in my copy of Writer (6.4.7.2 in UbuntuStudio 20.04.2) there are those 
2 icons, one with a dropdown list of  7 icons (the toolbar?) and the other a 
single icon which gives a simple rectangular callout shape.


Check (p.330): Yes-though note that a third callout icon ("Vertical Callouts") 
is shown under:
View => Toolbars => Customize...  => Toolbars tab => 
It is:

   


Note that this command is enabled, but still does not show on the Drawing 
toolbar. So [question (4) above], why not?


Thanks for your reply, which nudged me a little closer to understanding this topic.  The 
fact that GS42 and GS60 are essentially identical in this regard (including the custom 
shapes, as opposed to what Regina called "the legacy callouts") suggests that 
finding the first mention of callouts [question (1) above] may not yield much additional 
information.  Still, it might be nice.  I am routinely amazed at how much lies beneath 
the surface of the LO project, waiting to be implemented or exploited.

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Regina Henschel]

Hi John,

John Kaufmann schrieb am 25.07.2021 um 15:49:

Hi Regina,

On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

...
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default 
settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in 
every line callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape 
callouts makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer 
neither for the shape itself nor for the text in the shape styles are 
possible. You can only use direct formatting in Writer.


Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts 
implies that the basic idea has been around for some time, and special 
callout shapes were added later. Do you recall when it started, and at 
what point someone was moved to add custom shapes?


The legacy callouts are a kind of text box. They exists from the 
beginning in StarOffice. Custom shapes are introduced in OpenOffice.org 
2.0. They are part of the change from OpenOffice XML to ODF 1.0.


 In order to
understand the issue (and any possible deficiencies) further, I would 
like to:
  (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the 
Drawing toolbar (but not made visible).


They are visible, if you have enabled support for East Asian languages 
in Tools > Options > Language Settings > Languages > Asian.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Philip Jackson]

On 25/07/2021 15:49, John Kaufmann wrote:

Hi Regina,
On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

...
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape callouts 
makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer neither for the shape 
itself nor for the text in the shape styles are possible. You can only use 
direct formatting in Writer.


Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts implies that 
the basic idea has been around for some time, and special callout shapes were 
added later. Do you recall when it started, and at what point someone was moved 
to add custom shapes? In order to understand the issue (and any possible 
deficiencies) further, I would like to:
 (1) see the earliest Writer Guide and Help in which callouts are mentioned;
 (2) try to understand why special shapes were of more interest than style 
support;
 (3) try to understand the intended use of the "Callouts" toolbar, and why it 
has not been made visible;
 (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the Drawing 
toolbar (but not made visible).


I've been intrigued by this thread. Callouts was something I'd never heard of 
but I've now found them quite useful. As far as documentation is concerned, I 
have an old file, GS42-GettingStartedLO.pdf, from 2014 in which a search for 
'callouts' gets several hits on 3 pages.

The first says "For more information, see the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Getting Started 
with Draw, or the Impress Guide Chapters 4, 5, and 6."   I don't have either of 
these two.

The next says "Click on the triangle to the right of the Callouts icon to open the 
Callouts toolbar for drawing".  So it would appear that the callouts toolbar is 
nothing more than a dropdown from the callouts icon in the Drawing toolbar.

The 3rd page just shows that there are 2 callout icons on the Drawing toolbar. 
In fact, in my copy of Writer (6.4.7.2 in UbuntuStudio 20.04.2) there are those 
2 icons, one with a dropdown list of  7 icons (the toolbar?) and the other a 
single icon which gives a simple rectangular callout shape.

Philip


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[John Kaufmann]

Hi Regina,

On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

...
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape callouts 
makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer neither for the shape 
itself nor for the text in the shape styles are possible. You can only use 
direct formatting in Writer.


Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts implies that 
the basic idea has been around for some time, and special callout shapes were 
added later. Do you recall when it started, and at what point someone was moved 
to add custom shapes? In order to understand the issue (and any possible 
deficiencies) further, I would like to:
 (1) see the earliest Writer Guide and Help in which callouts are mentioned;
 (2) try to understand why special shapes were of more interest than style 
support;
 (3) try to understand the intended use of the "Callouts" toolbar, and why it 
has not been made visible;
 (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the Drawing 
toolbar (but not made visible).

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Steve Edmonds]

Thanks John and Regina for the help.
I have found an efficient way to inset multiple formatted callouts.
Insert and format the first one then copy/paste and edit the text for 
subsequent callouts.

Steve

On 24/07/2021 12:30, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

Hi.
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default 
settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in 
every line callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape 
callouts makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer 
neither for the shape itself nor for the text in the shape styles are 
possible. You can only use direct formatting in Writer.


Kind regards
Regina




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:

Hi.
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default 
settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every 
line callout one at a time.


No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape 
callouts makes no difference. You get always a shape and in Writer 
neither for the shape itself nor for the text in the shape styles are 
possible. You can only use direct formatting in Writer.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[John Kaufmann]

OK, Steve.
So:

I have View>Toolbars>Drawing enabled. In that I have 2 callout options, a 
speech bubble and a rectangular text callout. ...


That answers my two questions:
(1) You don't use a Callouts toolbar [contra the Help, confirming a bug there].
(2) Instead, from the Drawing toolbar [which is where I found them] you use 
these callout commands:





But [as I noted earlier] there /is/ a "Callouts" toolbar listed among the 
toolbars in:
View => Toolbars => Customize...
=> Toolbars tab => Target
I would love to know what that is about, and how to make that Callouts toolbar 
visible to use.

In the same vein [and I will bet related], there is also a callouts command 
that is *not* visible on the Drawing toolbar (though I suspect, if you check 
the Customize options, it is enabled and so should be visible):

   


IOW, if I had to guess, I suspect that callouts are not a completely 
implemented function, though they are a good beginning to extend text boxes 
into a special use case that will be very valuable when it is more functional. 
That would explain some things:
 *** the Help bug (probably had to be written before they really knew how it 
will turn out);
 *** a lack of style support that you expected (or requested) in your OP;
 *** a labelled but still unimplemented "Vertical Callouts" command;
 *** anomalies you have found, reflecting sparse user feedback. [Bugs can exist 
with lots of user feedback.]

That said, when I was trying to understand your OP, and callouts generally, my 
search led to this page -
"Callout Sidebars on LibreOffice"


- which uses a slightly different (but related) definition of "callout", presenting how 
to do /its/ callout function in LO without any special LO callout commands.  Both functions are 
useful, but it can only cause confusion to call both functions "callouts".

John


On 2021-07-23 16:58, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Thanks for the reply.
I have View>Toolbars>Drawing enabled. In that I have 2 callout options, a 
speech bubble and a rectangular text callout. Your icon set may differ.
I am using the callouts to annotate some images for reference in my explanation 
text.

If I add a rectangular text callout I can right click and edit some 
characteristics. With the callout selected, I can use the menu Format>Text Box 
and Shape.
Possibly callouts are still "in development" as, although my document units are 
cm and last week the callout properties were in cm, today callout properties are in 
inches.

There is also a funny quirk where callouts become invisible (but still there) 
when the anchor is not in an appropriate place.

Steve

On 24/07/2021 08:18, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2021-07-18 17:05, Steve Edmonds wrote:


Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


When I first saw this question, I had no clue what you were asking (having never used 
callouts), so looked forward to an answer, to at least help understand the question.  
When no answer came, I tried the LibreOffice 7.1 Help on "callout" -- and found 
it unhelpful:


"Opens the Callouts toolbar from which you can insert graphics into your 
document."


But that leaves these problems:
(1) It's not clear WHAT "Opens the Callouts toolbar" [apparent bug in the 
Help], and IAC:
(2) As installed (that is, in the default configuration), View=>Toolbars shows *no* 
"Callouts toolbar".

As for (1): *WHAT* opens the Callouts toolbar?

As for (2): The lack of a toolbar, which is supposed to exist, led me to:
View => Toolbars => Customize...
In the Toolbars tab, with , the  box shows 
"Callouts" among the possible tool bars, but gives no control (that I can see) for how to make 
it appear in the View=>Toolbars menu.

Further, after much searching, I found that the Drawing toolbar has these three 
apparently-relevant commands:
    "Callout Shapes"
    "Callouts"
    "Vertical Callouts"
(The command categories were found in a subsequent command search on "callout".)

But none of that gets any closer to /using/ these commands.  So, at the most 
basic level of use: How do you /invoke/ callouts? - via a Callouts toolbar or 
the Drawing toolbar? If you use a Callouts toolbar, how do you make it appear?

John



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Steve Edmonds]

Thanks for the reply.
I have View>Toolbars>Drawing enabled. In that I have 2 callout options, 
a speech bubble and a rectangular text callout. Your icon set may differ.
I am using the callouts to annotate some images for reference in my 
explanation text.


If I add a rectangular text callout I can right click and edit some 
characteristics. With the callout selected, I can use the menu 
Format>Text Box and Shape.
Possibly callouts are still "in development" as, although my document 
units are cm and last week the callout properties were in cm, today 
callout properties are in inches.


There is also a funny quirk where callouts become invisible (but still 
there) when the anchor is not in an appropriate place.


Steve

On 24/07/2021 08:18, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2021-07-18 17:05, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default 
settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in 
every line callout one at a time.


When I first saw this question, I had no clue what you were asking 
(having never used callouts), so looked forward to an answer, to at 
least help understand the question.  When no answer came, I tried the 
LibreOffice 7.1 Help on "callout" -- and found it unhelpful:


"Opens the Callouts toolbar from which you can insert graphics into 
your document."


But that leaves these problems:
(1) It's not clear WHAT "Opens the Callouts toolbar" [apparent bug in 
the Help], and IAC:
(2) As installed (that is, in the default configuration), 
View=>Toolbars shows *no* "Callouts toolbar".


As for (1): *WHAT* opens the Callouts toolbar?

As for (2): The lack of a toolbar, which is supposed to exist, led me to:
View => Toolbars => Customize...
In the Toolbars tab, with , the  box 
shows "Callouts" among the possible tool bars, but gives no control 
(that I can see) for how to make it appear in the View=>Toolbars menu.


Further, after much searching, I found that the Drawing toolbar has 
these three apparently-relevant commands:

    "Callout Shapes"
    "Callouts"
    "Vertical Callouts"
(The command categories were found in a subsequent command search on 
"callout".)


But none of that gets any closer to /using/ these commands.  So, at 
the most basic level of use: How do you /invoke/ callouts? - via a 
Callouts toolbar or the Drawing toolbar? If you use a Callouts 
toolbar, how do you make it appear?


John




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[John Kaufmann]

On 2021-07-18 17:05, Steve Edmonds wrote:


Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, 
if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line 
callout one at a time.


When I first saw this question, I had no clue what you were asking (having never used 
callouts), so looked forward to an answer, to at least help understand the question.  
When no answer came, I tried the LibreOffice 7.1 Help on "callout" -- and found 
it unhelpful:


"Opens the Callouts toolbar from which you can insert graphics into your 
document."


But that leaves these problems:
(1) It's not clear WHAT "Opens the Callouts toolbar" [apparent bug in the 
Help], and IAC:
(2) As installed (that is, in the default configuration), View=>Toolbars shows *no* 
"Callouts toolbar".

As for (1): *WHAT* opens the Callouts toolbar?

As for (2): The lack of a toolbar, which is supposed to exist, led me to:
View => Toolbars => Customize...
In the Toolbars tab, with , the  box shows 
"Callouts" among the possible tool bars, but gives no control (that I can see) for how to make 
it appear in the View=>Toolbars menu.

Further, after much searching, I found that the Drawing toolbar has these three 
apparently-relevant commands:
"Callout Shapes"
"Callouts"
"Vertical Callouts"
(The command categories were found in a subsequent command search on "callout".)

But none of that gets any closer to /using/ these commands.  So, at the most 
basic level of use: How do you /invoke/ callouts? - via a Callouts toolbar or 
the Drawing toolbar? If you use a Callouts toolbar, how do you make it appear?

John

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[libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

[Steve Edmonds]

Hi.
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default 
settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every 
line callout one at a time.

Thanks, Steve

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[libreoffice-users] Writer - Customize date format in a date field form control

[Juan Antonio]

Hello. Is there any way to customize the /date format/ when we insert a /date
field form control/?

For example, I would like to put a date format like /Thu 28 january/ .

There are some formats in the Date format drop-down that appears in
Properties of Date Field, but it does not include the possiblity of
customize de format.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Fake vs. Real Superscripts in advanced fonts

[Cuyahoga Falls]

On 12/6/2020 6:00 PM, Richard England wrote:


"cuyfalls",

I may not have your discerning eye, but using LO v7.0.3.1 on a Fedora 
v33 box, when I check the automatically converted superscript with one 
that is created manually by selecting the ordinal abbreviation and 
changing it to a superscript they look identical for me. I checked two 
different fonts. My OCD may not be as intense as yours.  :-)


Could be a difference in LO releases or operation system fonts (?).

~~R
StGeorge  


Richard

A lot depends on your OS and its available fonts. Not all fonts have 
advanced features built in. I have found that Windows 10 seems to have 
more fonts with the available features than my implementation of Puppy 
Linux. On Windows, I can use Sitka Text, Palatino Linotype and Linux 
Libertine G to achieve true and proper superscripts. I'm sure there are 
others; I just haven't checked them all yet. On my Puppy Linux system, 
it seems that only Linux Libertine G and Source Serif Pro have the 
available features. Having never used Fedora, I have no idea what you 
might have available to you. If you're at all interested in fonts, I 
would highly recommend obtaining Linux Libertine G and its sans serif 
companion Linux Biolinum G. They are available in the Ubuntu-based 
repositories, so I assume they would be in whatever Fedora uses.


To see what advanced features are available on your particular machine 
for a given font, from within LO, click on Format > Character > Font and 
then click on the "Features" button directly below the font-size drop 
down list. You will then see a dialog box that will show the available 
features for that font. Not all features are available for all fonts, so 
you'll have to scroll through each font and click "Features" to see 
which ones are available.


Your results will also depend on how you "manually" create a 
superscript. As with all things LO, there are multiple ways to skin the 
cat and not all of them produce the desired results.


There are at least four different ways to obtain superscript ordinals. 
The first three listed below will produce what I'm calling "fake" 
shrunken superscripts with lighter stroke weight and condensed spacing. 
Only the fourth will produce properly weighted and spaced superscripts.


*Option 1* (fake superscript) --  With the option to "format ordinal 
numbers suffixes" selected in Tools > AutoCorrect Options > Localized 
Options just type the number desired (1st, 2nd, etc.) and press spacebar 
and the ordinal will automatically be converted to a "fake" superscript.


*Option 2* (fake superscript) -- With the AutoCorrect option 
UNnselected, type the number desired. Then select the ordinal ("st," 
"nd," "th", etc.) and click on the superscript icon in the Formatting 
Toolbar (assuming that icon appears in your particular toolbar as they 
are customizable). This will also produce a "fake" superscript. This is 
simply a manual way of achieving the same result that the AutoCorrect 
option automatically obtains.


*Option 3* (fake superscript) -- Again with the AutoCorrect option 
UNselected, type the number desired and select the ordinal. Then click 
on Format > Character > Position > Superscript. This is just another way 
of achieving the same results as found in Options 1 and 2, and will 
produce the same "fake" superscript. However, with this option, you can 
manually control how much LO shrinks the superscript and how much it 
raises it above the surrounding text. At least, with this option, you 
can reduce the adverse effects of LO's default font shrinking.


*Option 4* (true superscript) -- This option depends upon the font you 
use. Many fonts will have access to true superscripts; others will not. 
In Windows, for this test, you can use Palatino Linotype or Sitka Text. 
In Linux, if you have it, try Source Serif Pro. For both OS's you can 
use Linux Libertine G (http://www.numbertext.org/linux/). As with the 
other options, type the desired ordinal number in the appropriate font 
and select the ordinal to be raised to a superscript. Then click on 
Format > Character > Font. Make sure your desired font is selected in 
the drop down list of fonts. Then, click on the Features button 
immediately below the font size drop down box. In this dialog, you'll 
see a host of advanced features available for the font you've chosen, 
and the features will be different for each font. With Sitka Text, 
Palatino Linotype (Windows) and Source Serif Pro (Linux), you'll have an 
option to select superscript. Click on that. You will then immediately 
see the font name change to something like "Sitka Text:frac=1&sups". 
Everything after the : consists of a code implementing an advanced 
feature. The "frac=1" implements true fractions. (On my LO, this seems 
to be a default setting). The "sups" implements true superscripts with 
the "&" separating the codes. In addition to selecting features from the 
dialog box, you can manually type in the codes once you get to kn

Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Fake vs. Real Superscripts in advanced fonts

[Cuyahoga Falls]

Michael,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look at it from that angle. It's such an 
obvious solution, I should have thought of it myself.


Virgil


On 12/6/2020 4:56 PM, Michael H wrote:

What you're looking for is the autocorrect autoreplacements table.

Tools --> Autocorrect --> Autocorrect Options.

Turn off the fake ordinals on the Localized options tab.

Then you can add entries in the Replace tab for the values you want, 
like 1st -> 1ˢᵗ.


There may be a way to introduce a character style method with this 
table, so that copy/paste won't produce weirdness like the ordinal 
glyphs might if the pasted field doesn't have ordinals in the active 
font, but this is where you'd do it.




On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:56 PM Cuyahoga Falls > wrote:


I have a question dealing with one of the advanced features of
today's
fonts: superscripts.

Using LO, one can automatically get ordinal numbers using the
Autocorrect feature. Type 1st and the "st" is automatically
converted to
a superscript. However, the superscript is an artificially created
superscript where the "st" is shrunken and raised. The stroke
weight is
correspondingly reduced resulting in a superscript that looks
disproportionately light when compared to other letters.

Today's modern fonts have better technology. Many fonts have built in
superscript glyphs that are properly sized and weighted. LO can
access
these features graphically through the "features" option in the
Format >
Character dialog (or "Font" tab in paragraph or character style
dialogs). If I click on the "features" option, and select
"superscript,"
LO will insert an additional code in the font name that will call the
properly designed glyphs. Thus, for example, "Sitka Text" becomes
"Sitka
Text:sups" and the superscript inserted is properly sized and
weighted.
I can get the same effect by typing the appropriate code in the font
name box rather than selecting from the graphical menu of optional
"features" in the character style dialog.

The typographic benefit is that, by selecting the advanced
superscript
of the font, one gets a true superscript that is not just shrunken
letters with reduced stroke weight. The stroke weight remains
consistent
with the weight of the normally sized font. As an OCD challenged font
freak, I prefer using the true superscripts rather than the
artificially
produced shrunken superscripts, which brings me to my question.

As far as I can tell, LO's automatic insertion of ordinal
superscripts
using the Autocorrect function always inserts artificially
generated and
shrunken superscripts rather than the true properly proportioned
superscripts contained within advanced fonts. Is there a way of
directing the Autocorrect function to use proper superscripts if they
are available rather than always creating artificially shrunken
ordinal
superscripts?

It's a bit of a pain to have to manually reformat each ordinal
number to
use the proper superscript. Even if I use character styles, that is
still more labor intensive than simply typing "1st" and spacebar and
getting the desired effect. If I could direct the Autocorrect
function
to select true superscripts rather than artificially generated
superscripts, that would be great.

For what it's worth, I'm using LO 6.3.4.2 on Windows 10.

Thanks.

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Fake vs. Real Superscripts in advanced fonts

[Richard England]

"cuyfalls",

I may not have your discerning eye, but using LO v7.0.3.1 on a Fedora 
v33 box, when I check the automatically converted superscript with one 
that is created manually by selecting the ordinal abbreviation and 
changing it to a superscript they look identical for me. I checked two 
different fonts. My OCD may not be as intense as yours.  :-)


Could be a difference in LO releases or operation system fonts (?).

~~R
StGeorge  



On 12/6/20 1:56 PM, Michael H wrote:

What you're looking for is the autocorrect autoreplacements table.

Tools --> Autocorrect --> Autocorrect Options.

Turn off the fake ordinals on the Localized options tab.

Then you can add entries in the Replace tab for the values you want, like
1st -> 1ˢᵗ.

There may be a way to introduce a character style method with this table,
so that copy/paste won't produce weirdness like the ordinal glyphs might if
the pasted field doesn't have ordinals in the active font, but this is
where you'd do it.



On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:56 PM Cuyahoga Falls  wrote:


I have a question dealing with one of the advanced features of today's
fonts: superscripts.

Using LO, one can automatically get ordinal numbers using the
Autocorrect feature. Type 1st and the "st" is automatically converted to
a superscript. However, the superscript is an artificially created
superscript where the "st" is shrunken and raised. The stroke weight is
correspondingly reduced resulting in a superscript that looks
disproportionately light when compared to other letters.

Today's modern fonts have better technology. Many fonts have built in
superscript glyphs that are properly sized and weighted. LO can access
these features graphically through the "features" option in the Format >
Character dialog (or "Font" tab in paragraph or character style
dialogs). If I click on the "features" option, and select "superscript,"
LO will insert an additional code in the font name that will call the
properly designed glyphs. Thus, for example, "Sitka Text" becomes "Sitka
Text:sups" and the superscript inserted is properly sized and weighted.
I can get the same effect by typing the appropriate code in the font
name box rather than selecting from the graphical menu of optional
"features" in the character style dialog.

The typographic benefit is that, by selecting the advanced superscript
of the font, one gets a true superscript that is not just shrunken
letters with reduced stroke weight. The stroke weight remains consistent
with the weight of the normally sized font. As an OCD challenged font
freak, I prefer using the true superscripts rather than the artificially
produced shrunken superscripts, which brings me to my question.

As far as I can tell, LO's automatic insertion of ordinal superscripts
using the Autocorrect function always inserts artificially generated and
shrunken superscripts rather than the true properly proportioned
superscripts contained within advanced fonts. Is there a way of
directing the Autocorrect function to use proper superscripts if they
are available rather than always creating artificially shrunken ordinal
superscripts?

It's a bit of a pain to have to manually reformat each ordinal number to
use the proper superscript. Even if I use character styles, that is
still more labor intensive than simply typing "1st" and spacebar and
getting the desired effect. If I could direct the Autocorrect function
to select true superscripts rather than artificially generated
superscripts, that would be great.

For what it's worth, I'm using LO 6.3.4.2 on Windows 10.

Thanks.

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Fake vs. Real Superscripts in advanced fonts

[Michael H]

What you're looking for is the autocorrect autoreplacements table.

Tools --> Autocorrect --> Autocorrect Options.

Turn off the fake ordinals on the Localized options tab.

Then you can add entries in the Replace tab for the values you want, like
1st -> 1ˢᵗ.

There may be a way to introduce a character style method with this table,
so that copy/paste won't produce weirdness like the ordinal glyphs might if
the pasted field doesn't have ordinals in the active font, but this is
where you'd do it.



On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 2:56 PM Cuyahoga Falls  wrote:

> I have a question dealing with one of the advanced features of today's
> fonts: superscripts.
>
> Using LO, one can automatically get ordinal numbers using the
> Autocorrect feature. Type 1st and the "st" is automatically converted to
> a superscript. However, the superscript is an artificially created
> superscript where the "st" is shrunken and raised. The stroke weight is
> correspondingly reduced resulting in a superscript that looks
> disproportionately light when compared to other letters.
>
> Today's modern fonts have better technology. Many fonts have built in
> superscript glyphs that are properly sized and weighted. LO can access
> these features graphically through the "features" option in the Format >
> Character dialog (or "Font" tab in paragraph or character style
> dialogs). If I click on the "features" option, and select "superscript,"
> LO will insert an additional code in the font name that will call the
> properly designed glyphs. Thus, for example, "Sitka Text" becomes "Sitka
> Text:sups" and the superscript inserted is properly sized and weighted.
> I can get the same effect by typing the appropriate code in the font
> name box rather than selecting from the graphical menu of optional
> "features" in the character style dialog.
>
> The typographic benefit is that, by selecting the advanced superscript
> of the font, one gets a true superscript that is not just shrunken
> letters with reduced stroke weight. The stroke weight remains consistent
> with the weight of the normally sized font. As an OCD challenged font
> freak, I prefer using the true superscripts rather than the artificially
> produced shrunken superscripts, which brings me to my question.
>
> As far as I can tell, LO's automatic insertion of ordinal superscripts
> using the Autocorrect function always inserts artificially generated and
> shrunken superscripts rather than the true properly proportioned
> superscripts contained within advanced fonts. Is there a way of
> directing the Autocorrect function to use proper superscripts if they
> are available rather than always creating artificially shrunken ordinal
> superscripts?
>
> It's a bit of a pain to have to manually reformat each ordinal number to
> use the proper superscript. Even if I use character styles, that is
> still more labor intensive than simply typing "1st" and spacebar and
> getting the desired effect. If I could direct the Autocorrect function
> to select true superscripts rather than artificially generated
> superscripts, that would be great.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm using LO 6.3.4.2 on Windows 10.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Virgil
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] Writer: Fake vs. Real Superscripts in advanced fonts

[Cuyahoga Falls]

I have a question dealing with one of the advanced features of today's 
fonts: superscripts.


Using LO, one can automatically get ordinal numbers using the 
Autocorrect feature. Type 1st and the "st" is automatically converted to 
a superscript. However, the superscript is an artificially created 
superscript where the "st" is shrunken and raised. The stroke weight is 
correspondingly reduced resulting in a superscript that looks 
disproportionately light when compared to other letters.


Today's modern fonts have better technology. Many fonts have built in 
superscript glyphs that are properly sized and weighted. LO can access 
these features graphically through the "features" option in the Format > 
Character dialog (or "Font" tab in paragraph or character style 
dialogs). If I click on the "features" option, and select "superscript," 
LO will insert an additional code in the font name that will call the 
properly designed glyphs. Thus, for example, "Sitka Text" becomes "Sitka 
Text:sups" and the superscript inserted is properly sized and weighted. 
I can get the same effect by typing the appropriate code in the font 
name box rather than selecting from the graphical menu of optional 
"features" in the character style dialog.


The typographic benefit is that, by selecting the advanced superscript 
of the font, one gets a true superscript that is not just shrunken 
letters with reduced stroke weight. The stroke weight remains consistent 
with the weight of the normally sized font. As an OCD challenged font 
freak, I prefer using the true superscripts rather than the artificially 
produced shrunken superscripts, which brings me to my question.


As far as I can tell, LO's automatic insertion of ordinal superscripts 
using the Autocorrect function always inserts artificially generated and 
shrunken superscripts rather than the true properly proportioned 
superscripts contained within advanced fonts. Is there a way of 
directing the Autocorrect function to use proper superscripts if they 
are available rather than always creating artificially shrunken ordinal 
superscripts?


It's a bit of a pain to have to manually reformat each ordinal number to 
use the proper superscript. Even if I use character styles, that is 
still more labor intensive than simply typing "1st" and spacebar and 
getting the desired effect. If I could direct the Autocorrect function 
to select true superscripts rather than artificially generated 
superscripts, that would be great.


For what it's worth, I'm using LO 6.3.4.2 on Windows 10.

Thanks.

Virgil


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer display problem in LO 6.4.6.2 on Linux Mint 20/Cinnamon V4.6.7

[aguador]

El mar, 24-11-2020 a las 15:57 -0800, Roderick Anderson escribió:
>
>
> On 11/24/20 2:54 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:
> > This problem happens in Writer, but not in Calc, so it is limited
> > to the
> > module.
> >
> > I must have done something, for this suddenly started happening.
> >
> > I can display a page either full screen, or minimize it completely,
> > so it
> > disappears off the page entirely. In other words, Minimize is now
> > not a
> > partial screen, but it is in effect parking it off screen, where I
> > can
> > maximize it again from the Writer icon on the task bar.
> >
> > Ergo what is lost is the ability to reduce the window to a partial
> > screen -
> > if I try, it becomes a postage stamp and my only option is to
> > maximize it
> > to full screen again.
>
> Minimize it to the postage stamp size then grab a corner and drag it
> up
> in size.  Might have to grab a 'corner' multiple times.
>
> This happens to me every so often and I can't figure out what causes
> it.
>
>
> \\||/
> Rod
> --
>

You do not say what OS-DE combination you are using. This happened to
me the other day, but Enlightenment provides a right-click menu from
the icon on the ask bar to access resizing with the keyboard. I suspect
other Linux (at least) DEs have something similar. A lifesaver when the
window drops down to less than postage stamp size!

Roy


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer display problem in LO 6.4.6.2 on Linux Mint 20/Cinnamon V4.6.7

[Roderick Anderson]

On 11/24/20 2:54 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen wrote:

This problem happens in Writer, but not in Calc, so it is limited to the
module.

I must have done something, for this suddenly started happening.

I can display a page either full screen, or minimize it completely, so it
disappears off the page entirely. In other words, Minimize is now not a
partial screen, but it is in effect parking it off screen, where I can
maximize it again from the Writer icon on the task bar.

Ergo what is lost is the ability to reduce the window to a partial screen -
if I try, it becomes a postage stamp and my only option is to maximize it
to full screen again.


Minimize it to the postage stamp size then grab a corner and drag it up 
in size.  Might have to grab a 'corner' multiple times.


This happens to me every so often and I can't figure out what causes it.


\\||/
Rod
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[libreoffice-users] Writer display problem in LO 6.4.6.2 on Linux Mint 20/Cinnamon V4.6.7

[Rogier F. van Vlissingen]

This problem happens in Writer, but not in Calc, so it is limited to the
module.

I must have done something, for this suddenly started happening.

I can display a page either full screen, or minimize it completely, so it
disappears off the page entirely. In other words, Minimize is now not a
partial screen, but it is in effect parking it off screen, where I can
maximize it again from the Writer icon on the task bar.

Ergo what is lost is the ability to reduce the window to a partial screen -
if I try, it becomes a postage stamp and my only option is to maximize it
to full screen again.

Rogier Fentener van Vlissingen 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Tab Stops

[Remy Gauthier]

Hello,
Really interesting. For me (LO 7.0.2.2 on F32), a right-click in the
ruler brings up a menu allowing the selection of the measurement units
(or change the type of stop when I click directly on a tab stop), and I
always needed to  use left-click to insert a tab stop - never right-
click. 
Rémy.
Le mercredi 04 novembre 2020 à 21:19 -0800, Richard England a écrit :
> LO v7.0.3.1 on Fedora 33 and  right click on the ruler inserts a tab for me.
> 
> ~~R
> StGeorge  
> 
> 
> On 11/4/20 7:43 PM, Joe Conner wrote:
> > I have LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 running on Ubuntu 20.10 64-bit.
> > 
> > What happened to the former ability to right-click on the top ruler 
> > and insert a tab stop?
> > If the feature still exists, where was it moved to and why?
> > 
> > Blessings, Joe
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Tab Stops

[Richard England]

Argh, Left, Right,   Indeed,as others have said, LEFT click INSERTS tab 
and RIGHT click adjusts the tab SPACING


My bad. This is they way I recall doing this before.

~~R
StGeorge  



On 11/4/20 9:19 PM, Richard England wrote:


LO v7.0.3.1 on Fedora 33 and  right click on the ruler inserts a tab 
for me.


~~R

On 11/4/20 7:43 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

I have LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 running on Ubuntu 20.10 64-bit.

What happened to the former ability to right-click on the top ruler 
and insert a tab stop?

If the feature still exists, where was it moved to and why?

Blessings, Joe





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Tab Stops

[Philip Jackson]

On 05/11/2020 06:19, Richard England wrote:

LO v7.0.3.1 on Fedora 33 and  right click on the ruler inserts a tab for me.

On 11/4/20 7:43 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

I have LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 running on Ubuntu 20.10 64-bit.

What happened to the former ability to right-click on the top ruler and insert 
a tab stop?
If the feature still exists, where was it moved to and why


Strange - I have LO 6.4.6.2 on UbuntuStudio and 7.0.2.2 on Windows10 and in 
Writer on both of them, a right click on the top ruler produces a drop down for 
options on ruler units (mm, cm, inches, etc).

On both of my installations, there is a small tab emblem at the extreme left 
end of the ruler bar. Left clicking on that emblem cycles it thro the various 
types of tab (left, right center ...). When you have the one you need, a simple 
left click at your selected point on the ruler places that tab type where you 
want it.

Philip


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Tab Stops

[Richard England]

LO v7.0.3.1 on Fedora 33 and  right click on the ruler inserts a tab for me.

~~R
StGeorge  



On 11/4/20 7:43 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

I have LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 running on Ubuntu 20.10 64-bit.

What happened to the former ability to right-click on the top ruler 
and insert a tab stop?

If the feature still exists, where was it moved to and why?

Blessings, Joe





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[libreoffice-users] Writer Tab Stops

[Joe Conner]

I have LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 running on Ubuntu 20.10 64-bit.

What happened to the former ability to right-click on the top ruler and 
insert a tab stop?

If the feature still exists, where was it moved to and why?

Blessings, Joe



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer "Show variable" from Custom Properties?

[John Kaufmann]

On 2020-10-20 00:53, John Kaufmann wrote:


The current Writer Guide (WG60, I believe) says that one way to define variables 
(particularly, but not limited to, text values) for use in a document is in "Custom 
Properties"
 (File > Properties > Custom Properties).
Unfortunately, variables so defined do not show in the "Show variables" list
 (Insert > Field > More Fields > Variables > Show variable).
So how are those variables inserted as text fields in the document?  AFAICS 
neither Writer Help nor WG60 covers this question.


Um, sorry for the list noise on this question. After a couple hours of not finding it in 
the referenced documentation (Help and WG60), I just found that variables defined in 
"Custom Properties" are treated differently from variables defined via 
Insert... .
So, from Insert > Field > More Fields, the "Custom Properties" variables
are inserted from the "DocInformation" tab > "Custom"
rather than from the "Variables" tab > "Show variable".

But that raises new questions. For example: Isn't it a hazard to having two 
databases for the document's variables? For example, what happens if the same 
variable name is used in both places?

Also, I still have not found an answer to this:

Also not covered (AFAICS) is the use of DDE for text fields in the document. 
How is that done?


John


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[libreoffice-users] Writer "Show variable" from Custom Properties?

[John Kaufmann]

The current Writer Guide (WG60, I believe) says that one way to define variables 
(particularly, but not limited to, text values) for use in a document is in "Custom 
Properties"
(File > Properties > Custom Properties).
Unfortunately, variables so defined do not show in the "Show variables" list
(Insert > Field > More Fields > Variables > Show variable).
So how are those variables inserted as text fields in the document?  AFAICS 
neither Writer Help nor WG60 covers this question.

Also not covered (AFAICS) is the use of DDE for text fields in the document. 
How is that done?

John

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[libreoffice-users] Writer: Master/Sub documents - Placing references

[Remy Gauthier]

Hi,

I have a master document that contains 9 sub-documents and various text
sections. In one of the text sections of the master document, I need to
reference a table located in one of the sub-documents. Since the text
section is in the master document, as I edit the master document, I
just insert a reference (Insert -> Reference) to the table (I want the
text to look like "(...) refer to Table 7.4 (...)") and the reference
is inserted without problems. However, when I refresh the master
document, the reference is lost (there is now a "Reference not found"
instead of "Table 7.4"). I thought of using hyperlinks but they seem to
be static text that is inserted rather a reference to the text of an
object (for instance, if I insert a table before Table 7.4, its number
changes to 7.5 but the hyperlink text does not change even if it now
points to Table "7.5" instead of "7.4".

Anyone knows how to do this properly? And as a follow-up question, how
would one make a reference from one sub-document to another?

I am using LO 7.0.1.2 on Linux/Fedora 32, downloaded from the LO site.

Thanking all in advance.

Rémy.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Table (drop-down list) Help

[Dan Lewis]

I suggest using LibreOffice Help. For this you must be either connected 
to the Internet when opening Help or have installed the Help download 
for your LibreOffice version.


Using F1, open Help. Select Writer as the module. Enter "drop-down list" 
in the selection box. What you should see is one link with the heading 
Global above it. To the right you will see a lot of information on 
creating a form.


If this is not what you want to do, then it is not possible to do what 
you want.


Dan

On 7/28/20 18:35, R5chwabe wrote:

Hello!

I would like to know (if possible) how to insert a drop-down list in a cell,
from my table in the writer. Like the function (Data -> Validation -> List
of Values) in Calc. I would like to insert it directly into Writer, so I
don't need to link or something. If anyone can gently help me, i will be
gratefull. Thanks!



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[libreoffice-users] Writer Table (drop-down list) Help

[R5chwabe]

Hello!

I would like to know (if possible) how to insert a drop-down list in a cell,
from my table in the writer. Like the function (Data -> Validation -> List
of Values) in Calc. I would like to insert it directly into Writer, so I
don't need to link or something. If anyone can gently help me, i will be
gratefull. Thanks!



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Comments Have Faintly Printed Indicator Lines

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

LIbreOffice Version: 6.3.5.2

Try...

    Create a comment from 

    When cursor is inside comment then: 

I haven't done this, but hopefully it will effect the dashed line as 
well as text font.


Paul

On 5/29/20 10:43 PM, seedpress wrote:

I’m having an aggravating problem with using a comments feature in
LibreOffice writer. As you may know, each comment in the right margin of the
document has dashed lines that go out to a “carrot” indicator in the main
body of the document. When I enable the print option “comments in the
margins,” the printed comments’ dashed lines are too faint and thin to read
easily.

I can’t find a way to increase the thickness of the dashed lines to make
them more legible. I’ve tried adjusting the font size within the comments,
but the dashed line thickness remains fixed.

I’m printing with a black-and-white only laser printer. The grayscale of the
printed dashed lines varies according to the color of the comment. So, I can
darken them a little by cycling through the colors and picking a darker one.
That helps readability somewhat, but the dashed comment lines are still too
thin.

I have to cycle through the colors using a clumsy trick detailed in various
places, for example: https://askubuntu.com/questions/60116...

Is there an easier way to select a comments background color in the newest
version of LO?

I’m running LO Version: 6.4.3.2 (x64), on Win 10.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Comments Have Faintly Printed Indicator Lines

[aguador]

El vie, 29-05-2020 a las 19:43 -0700, seedpress escribió:
> I’m having an aggravating problem with using a comments feature in
> LibreOffice writer. As you may know, each comment in the right margin
> of the
> document has dashed lines that go out to a “carrot” indicator in the
> main
> body of the document. When I enable the print option “comments in the
> margins,” the printed comments’ dashed lines are too faint and thin
> to read
> easily.
>
> I can’t find a way to increase the thickness of the dashed lines to
> make
> them more legible. I’ve tried adjusting the font size within the
> comments,
> but the dashed line thickness remains fixed.
>
> I’m printing with a black-and-white only laser printer. The grayscale
> of the
> printed dashed lines varies according to the color of the comment.
> So, I can
> darken them a little by cycling through the colors and picking a
> darker one.
> That helps readability somewhat, but the dashed comment lines are
> still too
> thin.

Are you, by chance, using a toner-saving mode? I have seen that very
thin lines are affected by dpi and toner-saving mode on my laser
printer.
>


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[libreoffice-users] Writer Comments Have Faintly Printed Indicator Lines

[seedpress]

I’m having an aggravating problem with using a comments feature in
LibreOffice writer. As you may know, each comment in the right margin of the
document has dashed lines that go out to a “carrot” indicator in the main
body of the document. When I enable the print option “comments in the
margins,” the printed comments’ dashed lines are too faint and thin to read
easily.

I can’t find a way to increase the thickness of the dashed lines to make
them more legible. I’ve tried adjusting the font size within the comments,
but the dashed line thickness remains fixed.

I’m printing with a black-and-white only laser printer. The grayscale of the
printed dashed lines varies according to the color of the comment. So, I can
darken them a little by cycling through the colors and picking a darker one.
That helps readability somewhat, but the dashed comment lines are still too
thin.

I have to cycle through the colors using a clumsy trick detailed in various
places, for example: https://askubuntu.com/questions/60116...

Is there an easier way to select a comments background color in the newest
version of LO?

I’m running LO Version: 6.4.3.2 (x64), on Win 10.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer 6.3.4.2 hangs on "Save as"

[John Kaufmann]

On 2020-02-28 20:52, chrispforr wrote:

...
Abruptly, on Windows 10, using Writer ver 6.3.2, I was unable to change the
name of existing .odt documents (but still able to save new documents, and
to save existing documents without changing the name.)
Result: LibreOffice hangs and I need to use Windows Task Manager to close
the app.
I uninstalled LibreOffice and did a fresh install of LibreOffice 6.3.4.2
(current ver). This did not solve the problem. ...


"Abruptly" - meaning you have been able to use "Save As", but can no longer? 
Before un/re-installing LO, my thought would be to see if this problem exists in other 
applications. Does it?

FWIW, I have no problem doing "Save As" with v.6.3.2, including under Windows.

Good luck,
john

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[libreoffice-users] Writer 6.3.4.2 hangs on "Save as"

[chrispforr]

I've been happily using LibreOffice for years without any problems, until
now. 
Abruptly, on Windows 10, using Writer ver 6.3.2, I was unable to change the
name of existing .odt documents (but still able to save new documents, and
to save existing documents without changing the name.) 
Result: LibreOffice hangs and I need to use Windows Task Manager to close
the app.
I uninstalled LibreOffice and did a fresh install of LibreOffice 6.3.4.2
(current ver). This did not solve the problem.
Suggestions? I looked thru the Archives, nothing seems to match. Advance
thanks.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer will not print envelopes

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

Long shot.

1. There is a possibility that printer dimension don't actually match
   the definition of envelope. This might causing 1 page print on 2
   page envelope. This might result in 1st page blank and 2nd page with
   address do to width incorrectly defined. Does "Print Preview" show 1
   or 2 pages for envelope?
2. Go to , "Options" tab to try "Use only paper size from
   printer preference".
3. Check "Properties" for your Brother printer and see if there is an
   option for "Other Pages" and that it is set correctly.

By the way, I noticed you did not mention what operating system you are 
using.


Hope this helps.

On 1/31/2020 5:36 AM, williamdrescher wrote:

Win10
Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee

I insert an envelope into a document.  When I then print the document the
first page (the envelope) prints as a blank page.  The rest of the document
prints just fine.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

bill



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer will not print envelopes

[John Kaufmann]

On 2020-01-31 05:36, williamdrescher wrote:> Win10

Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee

I insert an envelope into a document.  When I then print the document the
first page (the envelope) prints as a blank page.  The rest of the document
prints just fine.

Any suggestions or thoughts?


What is the printer? How does the print preview look?

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[libreoffice-users] Writer will not print envelopes

[williamdrescher]

Win10
Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee

I insert an envelope into a document.  When I then print the document the
first page (the envelope) prints as a blank page.  The rest of the document
prints just fine.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

bill



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Changing text from horizontal to vertical

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Charles,

charles meyer schrieb am 12-Nov-19 um 16:04:

I’ve got Libre Office version 5.1.1.3 running on an old desktop running
Windows 7.> 


You should use the last one of a family. For LO 5.1 that would be 
version 5.1.6.2

http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/5.1.6.2
 
If I click the Help tab, it tries connecting to the net. >

I prefer working off-line.


You need to install the helppack of your language too. Open the win 
folder in above link, then the folder x86_64 for a 64-bit Windows and 
x86 for a 32-bit Windows. Now you will see the helppack files.




How does one format text to vertical in my Libre Writer version?


First you need to enable "Asian". Go to Tools > Options > Language 
Settings > Languages. It is in section "Default Languages for Documents".


Now there exists several options.
A
You can set vertical for the all pages of a style. Open Styles section 
of the side bar, tab 'Pages Styles'. Right-click your style and click 
Modify. In that dialog, on tab Page select "Right-to-left (vertical" 
from field 'Text direction'.


B
For a frame, go to 'Frame Styles' and click Modify. On tab Options you 
will find the field 'Text direction'.


C
For a graphical Textbox (which can be rotated in contrast to a frame), 
you should use the icon 'Vertical Text' directly.


D
For a labeled shape, go into edit mode of the shape. If the 'Text 
Object' toolbar is not yet open, open it via View > Toolbars. It should 
have an icon 'Text direction from top to bottom'.


E
For a table open the table properties, tab 'Text Flow'. There you will 
find the field 'Text orientation'.



You cannot set a single paragraph to vertical direction in a horizontal 
orientated environment. But you need to have the paragraph outside the 
normal text flow, e.g. by a frame, table or shape.
But you can rotate a selection of characters. That is in Format > 
Characters, tab 'Position'. First select the portion of text, then set 
it to 90° or 270°.




Is this done easier in a more recent Libre version?

No.



What other functions/features have others found – in *your* experience -
Libre Writer does easier/better/or at all in more updated versions?


The import/export with OOXML (docx, pptx, xslx) has been improved a lot.


Do more recent versions of Libre have a built-in Help function so you can
obtain help without connecting to the net?


The old integrated help viewer is removed. The help texts are shown in 
your default browser. But the files themselves can be locally on your PC.


Kind regards
Regina

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[libreoffice-users] Writer - Changing text from horizontal to vertical

[charles meyer]

I’ve got Libre Office version 5.1.1.3 running on an old desktop running
Windows 7.



I want to take text and change it from horizontal to vertical.



If I click the Help tab, it tries connecting to the net.



I prefer working off-line.



How does one format text to vertical in my Libre Writer version?



Is this done easier in a more recent Libre version?



What other functions/features have others found – in *your* experience -
Libre Writer does easier/better/or at all in more updated versions?



Do more recent versions of Libre have a built-in Help function so you can
obtain help without connecting to the net?



Thank you.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form field forced to UPPER case

[Roderick A. Anderson]

Thanks João.

I think this is for a Base Form.  I'm doing this using Writer.

Further research is in my future.


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Hello,


Try the following:


* Select the form.
* Then right click -Character.
* Go to tab "Font effects".
* Inside that tab you have an "Effects" combobox. Choose "Upper
 case".
Then all text entered in the form will be in caps.


Regards,


João Jerónimo




Às 07:57 de 28/09/2019, Roderick A.
   Anderson escreveu:
OK my
   Google foo is defective.I'm trying to build a PDF membership (501.c.3) 
form using
   LibreOffice Writer.One of the fields should be upper case.  Is there a 
form control
   that will convert entered text to upper case?TIA for any help or 
suggestions.Rod



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form field forced to UPPER case

[João Jerónimo]

Hello,


Try the following:


* Select the form.
* Then right click -Character.
* Go to tab "Font effects".
* Inside that tab you have an "Effects" combobox. Choose "Upper
case".
Then all text entered in the form will be in caps.


Regards,


João Jerónimo




Às 07:57 de 28/09/2019, Roderick A.
  Anderson escreveu:
OK my
  Google foo is defective.I'm trying to build a PDF membership (501.c.3) 
form using
  LibreOffice Writer.One of the fields should be upper case.  Is there a 
form control
  that will convert entered text to upper case?TIA for any help or 
suggestions.Rod
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form field forced to UPPER case

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Rod,
> 
> One of the fields should be upper case.  Is there a form control that
> will convert entered text to upper case?

There is no form-field in LO which changes the input from lower case to
upper case.

Special for *.pdf-forms: The fields in *.pdf-forms will be textfields
without any special behaviour. Comboboxes, Listfields, Buttons and and
Checkboxes will also work.

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[libreoffice-users] Writer form field forced to UPPER case

[Roderick A. Anderson]

OK my Google foo is defective.

I'm trying to build a PDF membership (501.c.3) form using LibreOffice 
Writer.


One of the fields should be upper case.  Is there a form control that 
will convert entered text to upper case?


TIA for any help or suggestions.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer into Calc

[fudmier]

this is a giant problem for me.. the bastardized way in which calc has 
been amended (makes each cells a text box or whatever has corrupted my 
entire library of saved articles..
I have spent many years defending open source, but this change was hit 
that forced me to move to paid for tools that work and do not crash..



If LO would return to versions before 2015 they could correct all the 
crap that messes up what used to be a good product.


quit upgrading quit version development, just make sure LO works in all 
of its iterations and on all platforms..
people are leaving you left and right.. everyone I deal with that used 
to use LO have moved away..



it is no longer a stable platform.



On 2019-03-21 02:13 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:


On 3/21/19 12:04 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 19:20 20/03/2019 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
Has anyone been able to "import" or "insert" content from Writer 
(tables) into Calc so there are no extra spaces, fits on the same 
one page, etc. in Calc as it does on one page in Writer?


Very probably not! Formatting in spreadsheets is entirely different 
from that in text documents. But you can easily paste material from a 
table in a text document into cells of a spreadsheet. Then you can 
reformat the material in the spreadsheet appropriately.


Why would you want to do this? Pagination comes into the story only 
when you print your document. If the text document is paginated as 
you wish, why not print that? I can more easily imagine a need for 
the opposite: pasting an image of (part of?) a spreadsheet into a 
text document.


This sounds like a task that needs to be rethought from the 
beginning: consider exactly what you are trying to do. Would it be 
better to start with the spreadsheet?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


Another option is to use the OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) 
function. This feature allows taking an existing spreadsheet and 
insert it into a Writer document. I know this is the opposite the OP 
asked for, but it may be a possible solution. Historically, I have had 
mixed results with the LO OLE feature, so it may need some 
experimentation to get it to work as needed. Here is how:


Insert > Object > OLE Object > LibreOffice x.x Spreadsheet

I would choose "Create from file" and maybe "Link to file". That way, 
a Calc file is used by Writer, but can still be maintained by Calc. 
Without Link to file, Writer will create a local spreadsheet in the 
document and not use a separate file, so Calc would not have access to 
it outside the document. How it works is that clicking on the OLE 
spreadsheet in Writer will bring up a Calc-like editor where the 
spreadsheet data can be edited. Exiting this editor will return the 
the Writer document mode. All without exiting the document. That may 
have some advantages, so it will need to be decided by the OP which 
type function is needed.


I checked, and Calc does have the insert OLE function, but the Writer 
option is "LibreOffice x.x Text", which may just insert the Writer 
document into a spreadsheet cell. I am guessing, having never used 
that function in Calc. Both features will need some experimentation.


HTH.
Girvin Herr






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer into Calc

[Girvin Herr]

On 3/21/19 12:04 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 19:20 20/03/2019 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
Has anyone been able to "import" or "insert" content from Writer 
(tables) into Calc so there are no extra spaces, fits on the same one 
page, etc. in Calc as it does on one page in Writer?


Very probably not! Formatting in spreadsheets is entirely different 
from that in text documents. But you can easily paste material from a 
table in a text document into cells of a spreadsheet. Then you can 
reformat the material in the spreadsheet appropriately.


Why would you want to do this? Pagination comes into the story only 
when you print your document. If the text document is paginated as you 
wish, why not print that? I can more easily imagine a need for the 
opposite: pasting an image of (part of?) a spreadsheet into a text 
document.


This sounds like a task that needs to be rethought from the beginning: 
consider exactly what you are trying to do. Would it be better to 
start with the spreadsheet?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


Another option is to use the OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) 
function. This feature allows taking an existing spreadsheet and insert 
it into a Writer document. I know this is the opposite the OP asked for, 
but it may be a possible solution. Historically, I have had mixed 
results with the LO OLE feature, so it may need some experimentation to 
get it to work as needed. Here is how:


Insert > Object > OLE Object > LibreOffice x.x Spreadsheet

I would choose "Create from file" and maybe "Link to file". That way, a 
Calc file is used by Writer, but can still be maintained by Calc. 
Without Link to file, Writer will create a local spreadsheet in the 
document and not use a separate file, so Calc would not have access to 
it outside the document. How it works is that clicking on the OLE 
spreadsheet in Writer will bring up a Calc-like editor where the 
spreadsheet data can be edited. Exiting this editor will return the the 
Writer document mode. All without exiting the document. That may have 
some advantages, so it will need to be decided by the OP which type 
function is needed.


I checked, and Calc does have the insert OLE function, but the Writer 
option is "LibreOffice x.x Text", which may just insert the Writer 
document into a spreadsheet cell. I am guessing, having never used that 
function in Calc. Both features will need some experimentation.


HTH.
Girvin Herr



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer into Calc

[Brian Barker]

At 19:20 20/03/2019 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
Has anyone been able to "import" or "insert" content from Writer 
(tables) into Calc so there are no extra spaces, fits on the same 
one page, etc. in Calc as it does on one page in Writer?


Very probably not! Formatting in spreadsheets is entirely different 
from that in text documents. But you can easily paste material from a 
table in a text document into cells of a spreadsheet. Then you can 
reformat the material in the spreadsheet appropriately.


Why would you want to do this? Pagination comes into the story only 
when you print your document. If the text document is paginated as 
you wish, why not print that? I can more easily imagine a need for 
the opposite: pasting an image of (part of?) a spreadsheet into a 
text document.


This sounds like a task that needs to be rethought from the 
beginning: consider exactly what you are trying to do. Would it be 
better to start with the spreadsheet?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer into Calc

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Den tors 21 mars 2019 kl 00:24 skrev charles meyer :

> My apologies if this has been posted.
>
> Has anyone been able to "import" or "insert" content from Writer (tables)
> into Calc so there are no extra spaces, fits on the same one page, etc. in
> Calc as it does on one page in Writer?
>

I'm not sure what you mean by ”page” in this case. Calc has no ”pages”.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg



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[libreoffice-users] Writer into Calc

[charles meyer]

My apologies if this has been posted.

Has anyone been able to "import" or "insert" content from Writer (tables)
into Calc so there are no extra spaces, fits on the same one page, etc. in
Calc as it does on one page in Writer?

Thanks so much.

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[libreoffice-users] writer autocomplete

[Gary Collins]

Hi
Is there a way to restrict the suggestions offered by autocomplete to words in 
the current document? Or a way of clearing all entries to start over? It can be 
a bit inconvenient when spelling mistakes are offered, and especially if they 
are not in the current document as then search and replace can't be used (or 
can it??)
Thanks
 /Gary

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Using “spell out” chapter numbering styles

[Remy Gauthier]

Hi,

Thank you all.  I will wait for the next version.

Regards,

Rémy.
Le mercredi 31 octobre 2018 à 16:20 +0100, Ricardo Berlasso a écrit :
> El mié., 31 oct. 2018 a las 13:40,  t.com>
> escribió:
> 
> > Remy Gauthier wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I have been trying to experiment with the "spell out" numbering
> > > styles
> > > in Writer. To setup my document, I went to Tools -> Chapter
> > > Numbering,
> > > and selected "One, two, three..." for Numbering with Heading 1 at
> > > level
> > > 1, and "First, Second, Third" for Numbering with Heading 2 at
> > > level 2.
> > > I then went to an empty document, set the style of the first line
> > > to
> > > "Heading 1", and the style of the second line to "Heading 2". My
> > > document now looks like this:
> > > 
> > > 1Some text here
> > > Ordinal-number 1Some text here
> > > 
> > > I was expecting something more along the lines of:
> > > 
> > > OneSome text here
> > > FirstSome text here
> 
> There is a problem with the official builds on Linux. See
> 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119871
> 
> 
> 
> > On Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice PPA,
> > I get
> > what you expect:
> >One Some text here
> >First Some text here
> > 
> 
> I confirm that it works with openSUSE Leap builds too.
> 
> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> > If I change the document language (Tools > Language > For All Text)
> > to
> > French, the numbering text changes to French:
> >Un Some text here
> >Premier Some text here
> > (I don't understand much French, but that looks about right to me)
> > 
> > Also works for Greek, even though I don't have a Greek language
> > pack
> > installed (no spellchecking available):
> >Ένα Some text here
> >Πρώτος Some text here
> > (I assume the text is correct!)
> > 
> > But for some other languages (e.g. Gaelic), I do get what you're
> > seeing:
> >1 Some text here
> >Ordinal 1 Some text here
> > 
> > > The same seems to be happening with the page numbering (Style ->
> > > Page
> > > tab -> page Number), where I still get numbered page numbers as
> > > opposed
> > > to "spelled out" page numbers.
> > 
> > For me, page numbering also works as you expect, the same as
> > chapter
> > numbering.
> > 
> > > My defaut LANG setting is fr_CA.utf8, and the behavior is exactly
> > > the
> > > same with en_US.utf8, or just "C". Running LO 6.1.2.1 on Fedora
> > > 27,
> > > downloaded from the LO site.
> > 
> > I'm on Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice
> > PPA.
> > LANG is en_GB.UTF-8.
> > 
> > > What am I missing?
> > 
> > Sorry, I can't see anything obvious, other than the difference in
> > distro. As far as I know, the PPA version is based on unmodified
> > LibreOffice sources, but maybe there's something included in the
> > PPA
> > packages but not the RPMs which makes it work for me. Perhaps
> > someone
> > else will have some suggestions...
> > 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Using “spell out” chapter numbering styles

[Ricardo Berlasso]

El mié., 31 oct. 2018 a las 13:40, 
escribió:

> Remy Gauthier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been trying to experiment with the "spell out" numbering styles
> > in Writer. To setup my document, I went to Tools -> Chapter Numbering,
> > and selected "One, two, three..." for Numbering with Heading 1 at level
> > 1, and "First, Second, Third" for Numbering with Heading 2 at level 2.
> > I then went to an empty document, set the style of the first line to
> > "Heading 1", and the style of the second line to "Heading 2". My
> > document now looks like this:
> >
> > 1Some text here
> > Ordinal-number 1Some text here
> >
> > I was expecting something more along the lines of:
> >
> > OneSome text here
> > FirstSome text here
>

There is a problem with the official builds on Linux. See

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119871



>
> On Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice PPA, I get
> what you expect:
>One Some text here
>First Some text here
>

I confirm that it works with openSUSE Leap builds too.

Regards,
Ricardo



>
> If I change the document language (Tools > Language > For All Text) to
> French, the numbering text changes to French:
>Un Some text here
>Premier Some text here
> (I don't understand much French, but that looks about right to me)
>
> Also works for Greek, even though I don't have a Greek language pack
> installed (no spellchecking available):
>Ένα Some text here
>Πρώτος Some text here
> (I assume the text is correct!)
>
> But for some other languages (e.g. Gaelic), I do get what you're seeing:
>1 Some text here
>Ordinal 1 Some text here
>
> > The same seems to be happening with the page numbering (Style -> Page
> > tab -> page Number), where I still get numbered page numbers as opposed
> > to "spelled out" page numbers.
>
> For me, page numbering also works as you expect, the same as chapter
> numbering.
>
> > My defaut LANG setting is fr_CA.utf8, and the behavior is exactly the
> > same with en_US.utf8, or just "C". Running LO 6.1.2.1 on Fedora 27,
> > downloaded from the LO site.
>
> I'm on Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice PPA.
> LANG is en_GB.UTF-8.
>
> > What am I missing?
>
> Sorry, I can't see anything obvious, other than the difference in
> distro. As far as I know, the PPA version is based on unmodified
> LibreOffice sources, but maybe there's something included in the PPA
> packages but not the RPMs which makes it work for me. Perhaps someone
> else will have some suggestions...
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: Using “spell out” chapter numbering styles

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,

I have been trying to experiment with the "spell out" numbering styles
in Writer. To setup my document, I went to Tools -> Chapter Numbering,
and selected "One, two, three..." for Numbering with Heading 1 at level
1, and "First, Second, Third" for Numbering with Heading 2 at level 2.
I then went to an empty document, set the style of the first line to
"Heading 1", and the style of the second line to "Heading 2". My
document now looks like this:

1Some text here
Ordinal-number 1Some text here

I was expecting something more along the lines of:

OneSome text here
FirstSome text here


On Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice PPA, I get 
what you expect:

  One Some text here
  First Some text here

If I change the document language (Tools > Language > For All Text) to 
French, the numbering text changes to French:

  Un Some text here
  Premier Some text here
(I don't understand much French, but that looks about right to me)

Also works for Greek, even though I don't have a Greek language pack 
installed (no spellchecking available):

  Ένα Some text here
  Πρώτος Some text here
(I assume the text is correct!)

But for some other languages (e.g. Gaelic), I do get what you're seeing:
  1 Some text here
  Ordinal 1 Some text here


The same seems to be happening with the page numbering (Style -> Page
tab -> page Number), where I still get numbered page numbers as opposed
to "spelled out" page numbers.


For me, page numbering also works as you expect, the same as chapter 
numbering.



My defaut LANG setting is fr_CA.utf8, and the behavior is exactly the
same with en_US.utf8, or just "C". Running LO 6.1.2.1 on Fedora 27,
downloaded from the LO site.


I'm on Linux Mint, using LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 from the LibreOffice PPA. 
LANG is en_GB.UTF-8.



What am I missing?


Sorry, I can't see anything obvious, other than the difference in 
distro. As far as I know, the PPA version is based on unmodified 
LibreOffice sources, but maybe there's something included in the PPA 
packages but not the RPMs which makes it work for me. Perhaps someone 
else will have some suggestions...


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