Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies
Your description is my understanding. I just did a quick look on the download website and I cannot find any such information. Why are these dependencies not prominently spelled out in the System Requirements or somewhere else on the download website page? If they were, then the users would know what is needed for what. You haven't mentioned the age-old need of Java for the Accessibility options. Are these no longer dependent on Java? Girvin Herr Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's still Base and some Wizards and some Extensions. Something like 12% of the code is written in Java but it's in those areas that people rarely use. Base can mostly be used without needing Java but only if you use an external back-end rather than the in-built one. I think the Report builder still would need it but Base experts seem to be advising people to avoid that anyway. The internal back-end is HsqlDb which runs on Java even if you use the much more up-to-date version from their website as an external back-end. There are other smaller faster ones for small amounts of data. HsqlDb seems to be the best of those even though it depends on Java. Non-java ones tend to be better for large amounts of data and include Postgresql and MySql / MariaDb. These last 3 seem to be the most frequently recommended by the Base Experts. I've forwarded this to the Users List because there are quite a few Base Experts there that might be able to correct me if i'm wrong or just generally be a bit more helpful than i've been. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 13:59 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Java dependencies Hello, I have a journalist's inquiry on Java dependencies in LibreOffice. Anyone can tell the exact components that do not work without Java installed in 4.0? From what I recall, Base and some wizards, but I'm not really up to date here... Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
On 2012-09-06 11:52 AM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean upthe javasettings .xml configuration file. This makes no sense. Is there some reason that the install routine can't automate this? I just don't see thousands (or millions) of users having to do this manually. From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Thanks Stuart... So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7 (32bit of course), will it still be broken? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Thanks Stuart... So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7 (32bit of course), will it still be broken? On 8/28/2012 12:10 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: Bob McDonald wrote JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first and is pointed to in the options. (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6 afterward...) Neither of the 64 bit versions work. (or show up as Java versions in the options list under LO) Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations. Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config For JRE 1.6u34: jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6/location version1.6.0_34/version features0/features requirements0/requirements and of JRE 1.7u6 jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7/location version1.7.0_06/version features0/features requirements0/requirements This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE! It must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH, or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Yes, that is correct. Would still be broken if you don't also clean up the javasettings .xml configuration file. Additionally, for folks on a 64-bit build of Windows, if you install both a 32-bit and a 64-bit JRE, you need to watch which JRE gets called with LibreOffice. Oracle installers place copies of latest installed executable into the C:\Windows\system32 (the 64-bit executables), and also in C:\Windows\SysWOW64 (for the 32-bit executables). They are copied from the respective installation directories of the JREs, but with a default installation these executables will be found before any other instance referred by the PATH environment, so they are the JREs used by default--and that can cause problems if not expected (as can issues with location of a MS C++ runtime not being present with the Java virtual machine libraries). To convince yourself, leave the C:\Windows copies intact and run a Command Window, and then execute java -version, if you have the 64-bit JRE installed and you will see the version labeled as 64-bit build--not the 32-bit. And that also seems to causes problems for LibreoOffice which on Windows remains 32-bit. To precisely control which JRE is used, you have to remove the executables from the system32 and SysWOW64 directories, and then establish a specific location on the PATH for them. Can be anywhere in the PATH environment variable, but for security after the Windows OS components. Also by convention you can create a JAVA_HOME environment variable and use a %JAVA_HOME%\bin reference in the PATH. Very useful (and the norm in Linux) in that you can programmatically change the JAVA_HOME variable when you need a different JRE (either the version or use of a 64-bit build). Stuart From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: Thu 9/6/2012 10:21 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Thanks Stuart... So, if you (like I always do) first uninstall JRE 1.6, then install 1.7 (32bit of course), will it still be broken? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Well that was how it worked for me. Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future. Have fun! Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Bob McDonald wrote JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first and is pointed to in the options. (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6 afterward...) Neither of the 64 bit versions work. (or show up as Java versions in the options list under LO) Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations. Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config For JRE 1.6u34: jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6/location version1.6.0_34/version features0/features requirements0/requirements and of JRE 1.7u6 jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7/location version1.7.0_06/version features0/features requirements0/requirements This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE! It must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH, or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-and-Java- tp4003369p4004059.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Bob, Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean it was wrong. Apologies--and please remain engaged. Stuart -Original Message- From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Well that was how it worked for me. Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future. Have fun! Regards, Bob -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Hi :) I think the response you got, that you got it completely wrong, was imprecise. It is not as simple as java 1.6 vs 1.7. There are loads of versions of 1.6 and then there are issues about precisely which version of your OS and then add in which version of LibreOffice. Something that did work for 1 person obviously works and probably works for quite a lot of people but it might just be a lucky combination of versions. The whole thing is just such a total mess. Regards from Tom :) From: Bob McDonald bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 17:17 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Well that was how it worked for me. Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future. Have fun! Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: V Stuart Foote [mailto:vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:10 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Bob McDonald wrote JRE 1.7 32 bit edition works if (and only if) JRE 1.6 is installed first and is pointed to in the options. (you can even uninstall JRE 1.6 afterward...) Neither of the 64 bit versions work. (or show up as Java versions in the options list under LO) Actually, that is completely wrong and in reality is one of the reasons so many folks have problems with the transition from JRE 1.6 to JRE 1.7--they do not clear out the old and incorrect configurations. Here are extracts of the javasettings_Windows_x86.xml configuration file with the JRE in use by Libre Office. It is found per-user at C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user\config For JRE 1.6u34: jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre6/location version1.6.0_34/version features0/features requirements0/requirements and of JRE 1.7u6 jreLocations xsi:nil=true/ javaInfo xsi:nil=false vendorUpdate=2004-01-30 autoSelect=false vendorOracle Corporation/vendor locationfile:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Java/jre7/location version1.7.0_06/version features0/features requirements0/requirements This .XML configuration file is NOT updated when you upgrade your JRE! It must be deleted and allowed to rebuild--using your system environment PATH, or you will end up with non-functional LO Java functions. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-and-Java- tp4003369p4004059.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java
Hi :) Nicely said! :) It's sometimes difficult to hear the way people say things when just reading written words! Normally something like 40% of communication is non-verbal or to do with intonation and other obscure clues. I think it would be really great if you 2 or even just 1 of you or other people could edit the wiki-page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java to make it more useful. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: Bob McDonald bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 18:19 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Bob, Sorry, too shrill on my part. Just because it was incorrect doesn't mean it was wrong. Apologies--and please remain engaged. Stuart -Original Message- From: Bob McDonald [mailto:bob.mcdon...@pcn-inc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:18 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RE: Libreoffice and Java Well that was how it worked for me. Since it is completely wrong, I'll quit posting about it and watch what happens in the future. Have fun! Regards, Bob -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
