Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

2015-10-11 Thread libreoffice-ml . mbourne 

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
the end of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
are now selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the
beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
File|Save is greyed out).


That depends on the settings:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
modified" status
and:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
when the document is not modified

Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
are actually used next time the document is opened.


Hmmm.

I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread
over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to
find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help
file isn't very helpful.

There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each
of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the
printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In
Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available.

(Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)


Now you mention it, I see that too in LibreOffice 4.4.2 on Windows. With 
both unset:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document 
modified" status
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even 
when the document is not modified


Changing printer:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change the printer at File > Printer Settings
  - In Writer or Base (at least in form editor), the document is 
treated as modified (Save is available, and attempting to close give a 
warning that it's not saved)
  - In Calc, Impress, Draw and Formula, the document is NOT treated as 
modified.


Changing printer-specific properties:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change printer-specific settings at File > Printer Settings > 
Properties (I've tried with an Epson SX100 changing the Quality and 
Reverse Order settings)
  - In Writer or Base (at least in form editor), the document is 
treated as modified
  - In Calc, Impress, Draw and Formula, the document is NOT treated as 
modified.

- Save
- Again, change printer-specific settings at File > Printer Settings > 
Properties
  - This time, the document is NOT treated as modified, even in Writer 
and Base forms; it is only the first time that treats the document as 
modified.


Changing LibreOffice printer options:
- Create new document (for Base, also create a database form)
- Save
- Change all the tick-box options at File > Printer Settings > Options
- In all components, the document is NOT treated as modified.

It's probably not worth me reporting this against 4.4.2, but if you can 
reproduce with the latest version it would probably be worth submitting 
a bug report against Writer (it also affects Base forms, but I think 
that just uses Writer so probably really the same problem). If you 
submit a bug, please post back with the bug number.


Mark.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

2015-10-10 Thread Mike Scott 

On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Mike Scott wrote:

On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
...

This is outstandingly horrible !


Yes.


My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
the end of the week:

.


It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
are now selected ( but greyed out again )
Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.


Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
File|Save is greyed out).


That depends on the settings:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
modified" status
and:
- Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
when the document is not modified

Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
are actually used next time the document is opened.

Mark.




Hmmm.

I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread 
over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to 
find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help 
file isn't very helpful.


There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each 
of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the 
printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In 
Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available.


(Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)


To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue 
sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the 
file load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my 
preference) the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at

https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs
is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!!


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Harlow Essex England

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice

2015-10-10 Thread Graham Luffrum 
Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have
the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues.

Graham


On 10 October 2015 at 09:59, Mike Scott  wrote:

> On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>
>> Mike Scott wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
 This is outstandingly horrible !

>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at
 the end of the week:

>>> .
>>>
>>> It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape
 are now selected ( but greyed out again )
 Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning.

>>>
>>> Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't
>>> seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and
>>> File|Save is greyed out).
>>>
>>
>> That depends on the settings:
>> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document
>> modified" status
>> and:
>> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even
>> when the document is not modified
>>
>> Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the
>> document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings
>> are actually used next time the document is opened.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
>>
> Hmmm.
>
> I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread over
> too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to find
> what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help file
> isn't very helpful.
>
> There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each of
> Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the printer
> via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In Impress, it's
> greyed out. In Writer, it's available.
>
> (Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.)
>
>
> To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue
> sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the file
> load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my preference)
> the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs
> is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!!
>
>
> --
> Mike Scott (unet2  [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk)
> Harlow Essex England
>
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