Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-15 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 15/08/2013 at 23:00, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:

> Thanks to specific help from Mirosław Zalewski, I was able to take a
> dump of the site and store them on my local machine! Yeah! Now, just
> need to figure out what to do with it!

1. Use grep to find files that contain what you need (extremely slow; there are 
better solutions with indexed databases, but I have not yet find suitable one).

2. When Google show you result from oooforum.org which is currently down, 
remember thread number and open offline copy of this particular file.

At least that is what I would do if I wanted to access data from saved copy ;) 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-15 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

On 08/14/2013 06:42 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 14/08/2013 at 23:48, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:


I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more
talented than I would know how to do that.

Unfortunately, under some jurisdictions, creating backup copy of remote server
might be considered an attack attempt and even penalized.

Anyone willing to take a risk might want to get himself familiar with httrack
(http://www.httrack.com/).

Since legal status of all material posted there might be questionable, one
should consider all options before making any copies publicly available.

Personally I think that entire copyright law is just obstacle here and public
read-only copy of site in question would not hurt anyone. But then, I have
better things to do than proving my point before court.
Thanks to specific help from Mirosław Zalewski, I was able to take a 
dump of the site and store them on my local machine! Yeah! Now, just 
need to figure out what to do with it!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 14/08/2013 at 23:48, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:

> I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more 
> talented than I would know how to do that.

Unfortunately, under some jurisdictions, creating backup copy of remote server 
might be considered an attack attempt and even penalized.

Anyone willing to take a risk might want to get himself familiar with httrack 
(http://www.httrack.com/).

Since legal status of all material posted there might be questionable, one 
should consider all options before making any copies publicly available.

Personally I think that entire copyright law is just obstacle here and public 
read-only copy of site in question would not hurt anyone. But then, I have 
better things to do than proving my point before court.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

On 08/14/2013 12:39 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.

oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with
no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to
this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is
maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.

Yes Andrew, I am fully aware of the history behind oooforum.org and the
number of times in 10+ years the owner has refused outside help. You & I
both remember in the early days of OOo it was proposed to merge the two
forums and Ed would not even join in the discussion. He may well be a
very busy person and as you observe in another post "you could call it a
sentimental attachment", but over the years users have contributed a
vast amount of useful material, which is all too frequently locked away
from other users because of his personal workload and/or sentimentality.

My original reply was not intended as a criticism, it was just note to
indicate that one of the two longest established forums was not always
accessible.

I did not take it as a criticism I just assumed you were not aware.

I would prefer if an external host were found so that others could help 
with the administration. I expect that it is just a question of how to 
do it so that the current owner would not lose their personal attachment 
to it and thus be willing to do it. My guess is that he does not visit 
it often because he was not aware that it was down. He told me that /var 
had run out of space. When I just checked, I could connect, but could 
get nothing to display.


I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more 
talented than I would know how to do that.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Dave Barton
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> 
> On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
> oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with
> no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to
> this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is
> maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.

Yes Andrew, I am fully aware of the history behind oooforum.org and the
number of times in 10+ years the owner has refused outside help. You & I
both remember in the early days of OOo it was proposed to merge the two
forums and Ed would not even join in the discussion. He may well be a
very busy person and as you observe in another post "you could call it a
sentimental attachment", but over the years users have contributed a
vast amount of useful material, which is all too frequently locked away
from other users because of his personal workload and/or sentimentality.

My original reply was not intended as a criticism, it was just note to
indicate that one of the two longest established forums was not always
accessible.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  
Ok, so if it is hosted on a single server then maybe we could ask "Friends of 
.." or some similar organisations to contribute towards the costs of a new 
server?  or pay to get it hosted through a dedicated hosting service that hosts 
a lot of sites rather than however it is being done right now?  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 14:03
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>
>On 08/13/2013 06:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> If it is a completely independant forum and one that is owned by the 
>> community could we just copy it and host on TDF or LO servers?  
>> Alternatively might they be in a better position to ask Apache to host it or 
>> donate a better server to them?  or could TDF donate a better server to 
>> them?  There are neutral 3rd parties such as "Friends of OpenDocument", 
>> ODFAuthors, OASIS.
>>
>I may be missing something, so, if my answer is non-nonsensical; sorry..
>
>
>If you are suggesting that "oooforum" can be hosted by a neutral 3rd 
>party, I don't expect that to happen. The site owner is unwilling to 
>give up control. I assume you could call it a sentimental attachment. He 
>is also unable to provide sufficient rights to others to help maintain 
>it because it is hosted in an area where outside administrative rights 
>cannot be granted.
>
>I shot an email to the site owner and asked if he was aware that it is 
>currently down and has been for a while. He is on California time, so no 
>idea if he is even awake at this moment.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Sounds like someone we should be supporting if it's at all possible.  is there 
anything we can do?  Could Friends of OpenDocument Format be approached to see 
if they could help?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 13:59
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>
>On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
>oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with 
>no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to 
>this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is 
>maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.
>
>-- 
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>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 08/13/2013 06:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If it is a completely independant forum and one that is owned by the community could we 
just copy it and host on TDF or LO servers?  Alternatively might they be in a better 
position to ask Apache to host it or donate a better server to them?  or could TDF donate 
a better server to them?  There are neutral 3rd parties such as "Friends of 
OpenDocument", ODFAuthors, OASIS.


I may be missing something, so, if my answer is non-nonsensical; sorry..


If you are suggesting that "oooforum" can be hosted by a neutral 3rd 
party, I don't expect that to happen. The site owner is unwilling to 
give up control. I assume you could call it a sentimental attachment. He 
is also unable to provide sufficient rights to others to help maintain 
it because it is hosted in an area where outside administrative rights 
cannot be granted.


I shot an email to the site owner and asked if he was aware that it is 
currently down and has been for a while. He is on California time, so no 
idea if he is even awake at this moment.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-14 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with 
no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to 
this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is 
maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  
I guess that is 1 good argument for keeping posts on-list.  I really thought 
they were both the same thing.  I thought pretty much all the community stuff 
had been forced to escape from Oracle and ended up here or as genuinely 3rd 
party stand-alone projects.  

Thanks for correcting me there! :)
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Dave Barton 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 7:32
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>Tom,
>
>Undoubtedly you post with the best of intentions, but please stop
>jumping in with confusing misinformation.
>
>There are two entirely separate forums:
>
>1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
>
>2. http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ The "official" one Apache
>inherited from OpenOffice.org which you are referencing.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> I think it might perform better if you go to the link i gave and do your 
>> search from inside their forums.  That way you might dodge any links with 
>> domains that might have changed.  Outside of their forums search engines may 
>> still be giving old links.  
>> Regards from 
>> Tom :)  
>>
>>> 
>>> From: Tim Lloyd 
>>> To: Jim Byrnes ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>>>  
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 4:16
>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> I didn't realise this had cropped up before - pretty sad as I logged the 
>>> first message! I have attached a link to when this was discussed back in 
>>> February
>>>
>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/oooforum-org-td4039871.html#a4040074
>>>
>>> BTW, link not working for me at present either
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 08/13/2013 01:09 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>>>> On 08/12/2013 07:54 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really use that forum but if you can send the link I will give
>>>>> it a go
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/13/2013 10:42 AM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>>>>>> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to oooforum.org or is just me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been doing a lot of googling trying to figure out how to write some
>>>>>> python macros in LO calc and many links lead to posts on oooforum.org.
>>>>>> Lately everytime I try one it times out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,  Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't use it either, this is a link to an archived post.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=56015#56015
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,  Jim
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If it is a completely independant forum and one that is owned by the community 
could we just copy it and host on TDF or LO servers?  Alternatively might they 
be in a better position to ask Apache to host it or donate a better server to 
them?  or could TDF donate a better server to them?  There are neutral 3rd 
parties such as "Friends of OpenDocument", ODFAuthors, OASIS.  


I can't believe they and everyone else considers the pages hold are so 
worthless that they still haven't been able to gather support.  


Do they use "Creative Commons" or other copy-left licenses or would they be 
annoyed if we just copied the whole lot onto somewhere safer?  

Regards from 

Tom :)  






>
> From: Andrew Brown 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 7:58
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>Hello
>
>This is just to reply to Jim's initial problem with the oooforum website.
>
>Jim I am getting likewise no response to the web page, so similiar to 
>other respondents, it seems to be down, or as indicated unstable. This 
>could be currently an unmaintained server, or one with a low priority of 
>whoever is supposed to maintain it, or the hosting co. is not offering a 
>good level of maintenance, but all supposition. It trace routes fine 
>from my country in an average of 300 to 400 milliseconds, so it is 
>reachable, but the actual html or whatever being used for the web page/s 
>seems to be the problem.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew Brown
>
>On 13/08/2013 08:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Undoubtedly you post with the best of intentions, but please stop
>> jumping in with confusing misinformation.
>>
>> There are two entirely separate forums:
>>
>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
>>
>> 2. http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ The "official" one Apache
>> inherited from OpenOffice.org which you are referencing.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> I think it might perform better if you go to the link i gave and do your 
>>> search from inside their forums.  That way you might dodge any links with 
>>> domains that might have changed.  Outside of their forums search engines 
>>> may still be giving old links.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> From: Tim Lloyd 
>>>> To: Jim Byrnes ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 4:16
>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't realise this had cropped up before - pretty sad as I logged the
>>>> first message! I have attached a link to when this was discussed back in
>>>> February
>>>>
>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/oooforum-org-td4039871.html#a4040074
>>>>
>>>> BTW, link not working for me at present either
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> On 08/13/2013 01:09 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>>>>> On 08/12/2013 07:54 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't really use that forum but if you can send the link I will give
>>>>>> it a go
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/13/2013 10:42 AM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>>>>>>> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to oooforum.org or is just me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Been doing a lot of googling trying to figure out how to write some
>>>>>>> python macros in LO calc and many links lead to posts on oooforum.org.
>>>>>>> Lately everytime I try one it times out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,  Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use it either, this is a link to an archived post.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=56015#56015
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,  Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-13 Thread Andrew Brown

Hello

This is just to reply to Jim's initial problem with the oooforum website.

Jim I am getting likewise no response to the web page, so similiar to 
other respondents, it seems to be down, or as indicated unstable. This 
could be currently an unmaintained server, or one with a low priority of 
whoever is supposed to maintain it, or the hosting co. is not offering a 
good level of maintenance, but all supposition. It trace routes fine 
from my country in an average of 300 to 400 milliseconds, so it is 
reachable, but the actual html or whatever being used for the web page/s 
seems to be the problem.


Regards

Andrew Brown

On 13/08/2013 08:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

Tom,

Undoubtedly you post with the best of intentions, but please stop
jumping in with confusing misinformation.

There are two entirely separate forums:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.

2. http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ The "official" one Apache
inherited from OpenOffice.org which you are referencing.

Dave


Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think it might perform better if you go to the link i gave and do your search 
from inside their forums.  That way you might dodge any links with domains that 
might have changed.  Outside of their forums search engines may still be giving 
old links.
Regards from
Tom :)



From: Tim Lloyd 
To: Jim Byrnes ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 

Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 4:16
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org


Hi Jim,

I didn't realise this had cropped up before - pretty sad as I logged the
first message! I have attached a link to when this was discussed back in
February

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/oooforum-org-td4039871.html#a4040074

BTW, link not working for me at present either

Cheers

On 08/13/2013 01:09 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

On 08/12/2013 07:54 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:

Jim,

I don't really use that forum but if you can send the link I will give
it a go

Cheers

On 08/13/2013 10:42 AM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to oooforum.org or is just me?

Been doing a lot of googling trying to figure out how to write some
python macros in LO calc and many links lead to posts on oooforum.org.
Lately everytime I try one it times out.

Regards,  Jim



I don't use it either, this is a link to an archived post.

http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=56015#56015

Thanks,  Jim






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-12 Thread Dave Barton
Tom,

Undoubtedly you post with the best of intentions, but please stop
jumping in with confusing misinformation.

There are two entirely separate forums:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.

2. http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ The "official" one Apache
inherited from OpenOffice.org which you are referencing.

Dave


Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I think it might perform better if you go to the link i gave and do your 
> search from inside their forums.  That way you might dodge any links with 
> domains that might have changed.  Outside of their forums search engines may 
> still be giving old links.  
> Regards from 
> Tom :)  
>
>> 
>> From: Tim Lloyd 
>> To: Jim Byrnes ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 4:16
>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
>>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I didn't realise this had cropped up before - pretty sad as I logged the 
>> first message! I have attached a link to when this was discussed back in 
>> February
>>
>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/oooforum-org-td4039871.html#a4040074
>>
>> BTW, link not working for me at present either
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 08/13/2013 01:09 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2013 07:54 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:
 Jim,

 I don't really use that forum but if you can send the link I will give
 it a go

 Cheers

 On 08/13/2013 10:42 AM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to oooforum.org or is just me?
>
> Been doing a lot of googling trying to figure out how to write some
> python macros in LO calc and many links lead to posts on oooforum.org.
> Lately everytime I try one it times out.
>
> Regards,  Jim
>
>

>>> I don't use it either, this is a link to an archived post.
>>>
>>> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=56015#56015
>>>
>>> Thanks,  Jim



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

2013-08-12 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think it might perform better if you go to the link i gave and do your search 
from inside their forums.  That way you might dodge any links with domains that 
might have changed.  Outside of their forums search engines may still be giving 
old links.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Tim Lloyd 
>To: Jim Byrnes ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 4:16
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I didn't realise this had cropped up before - pretty sad as I logged the 
>first message! I have attached a link to when this was discussed back in 
>February
>
>http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/oooforum-org-td4039871.html#a4040074
>
>BTW, link not working for me at present either
>
>Cheers
>
>On 08/13/2013 01:09 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
>> On 08/12/2013 07:54 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> I don't really use that forum but if you can send the link I will give
>>> it a go
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 08/13/2013 10:42 AM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
 Is anyone else having trouble connecting to oooforum.org or is just me?

 Been doing a lot of googling trying to figure out how to write some
 python macros in LO calc and many links lead to posts on oooforum.org.
 Lately everytime I try one it times out.

 Regards,  Jim


>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't use it either, this is a link to an archived post.
>>
>> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=56015#56015
>>
>> Thanks,  Jim
>>
>
>
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