Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/22/2014 07:52 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page, paragraph, character, and as character, whatever that means. If you anchor it as a character, then just think of it as one huge character. You can type text before and after it, but, the baseline of the image will be set to the baseline of a character. If it is sitting in the middle of a paragraph, there will be a line above and below it. If you have two pictures next to each other on the same line anchored as character, then, their baseline will be the same, so, if they are not the same height, it may look a bit strange. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi Andrew,
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak schrieb:
On 05/22/2014 07:52 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page,
paragraph, character, and as character, whatever that means.
If you anchor it as a character, then just think of it as one huge
character. You can type text before and after it, but, the baseline of
the image will be set to the baseline of a character.
The possible settings are far more. You can combine the vertical
positions {top, bottom, center, from bottom} with the references
{baseline, character, row}. That gives 12 combinations, and then in
addition the different possible values for 'from bottom'.
If it is sitting
in the middle of a paragraph, there will be a line above and below it.
?? I have no lines.
If you have two pictures next to each other on the same line anchored as
character, then, their baseline will be the same, so, if they are not
the same height, it may look a bit strange.
That is a matter of aesthetic perception; the tools exist to make is
looking nice.
Kind regards
Regina
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Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On Thursday 22 May 2014 08:58:21 AM Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Bruce, Virgil, While other tools may be used for this it should be quite possible to achieve the same result with LibreOffice writer. Which suggests that a bug report is in order. Mind filing one? Hi: The bug report is at: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79234 It is described in detail at: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-mysteries-of-positioning-pictures-in-LibreOffice-OpenOffice This is a problem that dates back to the earliest days of OpenOffice.org. It is overdue to become a priority. I've suggested several changes in setting that might help, but I suspect someone will have to dive deep into the code to fix the problem altogether. Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/25/2014 10:44 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi Andrew,
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak schrieb:
On 05/22/2014 07:52 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page,
paragraph, character, and as character, whatever that means.
If you anchor it as a character, then just think of it as one huge
character. You can type text before and after it, but, the baseline of
the image will be set to the baseline of a character.
The possible settings are far more. You can combine the vertical
positions {top, bottom, center, from bottom} with the references
{baseline, character, row}. That gives 12 combinations, and then in
addition the different possible values for 'from bottom'.
If it is sitting
in the middle of a paragraph, there will be a line above and below it.
?? I have no lines.
If you have two pictures next to each other on the same line anchored as
character, then, their baseline will be the same, so, if they are not
the same height, it may look a bit strange.
That is a matter of aesthetic perception; the tools exist to make is
looking nice.
Kind regards
Regina
Merely indicating what I expect when I insert two images, anchor them as
character and place them on the same line. I was not aware that I could
then change other items when it was anchored as a character (primarily
because I have never needed to do so (or considered looking). I think I
just learned something :-) As always, you are very helpful Regina!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Bruce, Virgil, On 22 mai 2014 05:40:39 CEST, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? While other tools may be used for this it should be quite possible to achieve the same result with LibreOffice writer. Which suggests that a bug report is in order. Mind filing one? Thanks, Charles. -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
All:Forget about text. Just try pasting/importing graphics into a Calc cell. Anchor goes anywhere, strange things happen when you copy and paste cell, or resize column or row intersecting with cell. Graphics handling is so crap I can't believe these bugs are still in the latest release.Regards,Hedley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 9:39 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: I wonder: 1. Is the number of pictures the problem? Or was there some way in which the program was trying to do the impossible -- for instance, keeping a picture in a position that was too small for it? I know the picture would fit in the space I wanted it. However, my page position may have clashed with the anchor position (I was anchoring to a paragraph). But, when I wanted to move it to another page (by mouse dragging), it just wouldn't go. It kept bouncing back to the original position. And, if I dragged it across a footer, it suddenly got stuck there creating all kinds of problems. I don't think it was about the number of pictures. 2. Could the anchor position have an effect? I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page, paragraph, character, and as character, whatever that means. Then, if your anchor is too close to the top or bottom of the page, then the graphic doesn't know where to go. The mere act of inserting the graphic *will* cause the anchoring site to move. And, if you preserve the position, it seems to preserve the position on the *page* without regard to where the anchor is. I had some pictures where the anchor was on the previous page as the picture. Then I found I could use the mouse to move *either* the graphics frame *or* the anchor site. I'm thinking there are just too many variables, at least for my limited brain. 3. What if the picture was placed inside a frame, and the frame size and position protected? Actually, that's what I was doing, albeit in a roundabout way. I have my pictures set to Auto Caption. I've discovered that, when that happens, the picture frame is placed inside a separate frame that is slightly larger than the picture itself. Then the caption is placed in this larger frame. So, a captioned picture consists of *two* frames, one on top of the other. In fact, when I was preserving size and position, I had to do it to *both* the picture frame *and* the caption frame. I'm going to see what results I get in answering these questions. I'll post my results, probably by tomorrow evening. I thought I would reload the document and try again. When I loaded the document, *all* of my pictures were out of position and distorted from top to bottom. When I tried to scroll the document, it crashed. It's now toast. One other thought I had. I was using Linux Libertine G as my font. It has so many advanced typographic features that, in the past, I've had some stability issues with it, even in text files without graphics. But, those were addressed many versions ago, so I don't think it's the problem, but I just throw it out there as a possible contributing factor. Good luck on sorting this out. Based on my experience, next time I need to insert graphics, I'll just use another program from the get-go and save myself hours of headaches. For me at least, it just ain't working with LO. Again, I won't discount the possibility of user error, but if that's the case, then I would suggest that perhaps this part of the program is so complex that user error is much too easy to achieve. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
w On 05/21/2014 11:40 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I began using Mandrake (which became Mandriva) and then went to Ubuntu sometime before 2008. Sometime in this year, I got a MacBook using OS X 10.4 (Intel). (I have never updated the Apple OS. Instead, I have installed Ubuntu on it updating the version every year or two. But remember that there were members of the ODFAuthors group that used a Windows OS. They were producing chapters of the user guides with many pictures without the problems you describe. The individual chapters were combined using a master document, and then the latter was saved as an ODT file. This means the final ODT file had more than 100 graphics for each user guide in ODT format. I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? I would like to get an ODT file that has these problems with graphics that move around. Somewhere in the zipped ODT file might be a clue as to what is happening. Also, I might be able to spot something different in the styles being used.
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 6:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. I hate to say it, but in the realm of individual components, these programs *are* direct competitors. Think about it. The database folks keep talking about other programs being better than Base. You have often written about Gnumeric being more useful than Calc. My Atlantis, while not nearly as full featured as Writer, is much easier to use (precisely because of its feature limitations), as well as fast and rock solid. Oh, and btw, while Atlantis is written only for Windows, it behaves very well in Ubuntu with Wine. Yes, LO is an office suite, but how often do people actually use the integrated features of the suite? Once a year, I take an address list created in Calc and run it through Base, so I can print out labels in Writer for Christmas cards. Several years ago I did the same thing with Microsoft Works and it was *much* easier (and I am no fan of M$). Aside from that, I never import data from one component to the next. I use each component as a standalone program. The fact that a program is an integrated office suite means little if, for any one of its given components, there is a smaller, quicker, easier or more stable alternative. So, I ask myself, instead of constantly wrestling with the depth of a complex office suite, would I be better off using standalone programs like Gnumeric and Atlantis? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 10:22 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Aren't steps 3 and 4 inconsistent? How can a frame be anchored both to the paragraph and as a character? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Yes, but the 1 program/suite approach is convenient when you have to do something only once a year or even less often and are able to do so with fairly familiar tools, or at least with familiar support (such as this mailing list) Writer is not a truly amazing DeskTop Publishing program but it is pretty good at all that and for me it beats Publisher and definitely beats Word in producing good quality documents. When you don't need DTP and just want to write a quick letter it's more obvious how to do things and easier to hunt around the menus then the ribbon so it's easier to find new tricks. I keep saying that Gnumeric is 'better than' Calc AND Excel but only in cases where the person clearly needs a specialist program, or just to try it out for a bit. The database people talk about keeping the data separate and using Base to manipulate the data and then passing the result seemlessly along to familiar tools. This makes a lot more sense and keeps the whole thing much more scalable. You can change the type of back-end to suit different needs without having to redesign all the front-end stuff nor the data-manipulation stuff. Office Suites fill a very big niche and LibreOffice is the best fit for that niche (ime), if only more people outside of these mailing lists would realise it. Regards from Tom :) On 22 May 2014 15:37, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 5/21/2014 6:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. I hate to say it, but in the realm of individual components, these programs *are* direct competitors. Think about it. The database folks keep talking about other programs being better than Base. You have often written about Gnumeric being more useful than Calc. My Atlantis, while not nearly as full featured as Writer, is much easier to use (precisely because of its feature limitations), as well as fast and rock solid. Oh, and btw, while Atlantis is written only for Windows, it behaves very well in Ubuntu with Wine. Yes, LO is an office suite, but how often do people actually use the integrated features of the suite? Once a year, I take an address list created in Calc and run it through Base, so I can print out labels in Writer for Christmas cards. Several years ago I did the same thing with Microsoft Works and it was *much* easier (and I am no fan of M$). Aside from that, I never import data from one component to the next. I use each component as a standalone program. The fact that a program is an integrated office suite means little if, for any one of its given components, there is a smaller, quicker, easier or more stable alternative. So, I ask myself, instead of constantly wrestling with the depth of a complex office suite, would I be better off using standalone programs like Gnumeric and Atlantis? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Charles: I'd be happy to file a bug report, but I'm hoping to find out a bit more the situation before I do. This delay is partly selfish, because my personal need is to find a workaround, but I'm hoping it will also help correct the problem if I can give some details. On Thursday 22 May 2014 08:58:21 AM Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Bruce, Virgil, On 22 mai 2014 05:40:39 CEST, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? While other tools may be used for this it should be quite possible to achieve the same result with LibreOffice writer. Which suggests that a bug report is in order. Mind filing one? Thanks, Charles.
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. I almost always anchor the picture AS a character on a line by itself with a specific character style that should keep it with the next paragraph, a manually inserted caption. You can see this in any of my macro documents. AndrewMacro and OOME are both very long with numerous images and they have no problems. Years ago I had my images inside of frames, but, I found a very nasty bug that caused OOo to crash based on a certain set of conditions. I manually edited the XML in a text editor to remove the problem so that I could keep the document. I do believe that bug was fixed by Sun :-) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Bruce, Your post is very timely. I've been wrestling with a document containing 15 photographs with captions. I wanted to insert them into the text with text wrapping around the pictures. I made numerous attempts and often found myself trying to move or resize a picture just a little bit. When I tried, the picture suddenly changed to a different page (with either paragraph or character anchoring). At one point, I had a sproingg!! moment and found 6 pictures had jumped to one location and were piled on top of each other. I had placed these six images on 3 or 4 different pages. I finally gave up and reverted to my reliable Atlantis and created a separate Appendix document consisting of a single picture on each page. I'm sure I could have done this with LO Writer, but Atlantis made the whole process so easy that I just used it to get the job done. When I have a few more minutes, I'll try to recreate both of your methods to see how they work. I'll let you know how it works. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi, Tom: Mainly in relation to the wording around them. On Wednesday 21 May 2014 09:26:21 PM Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 20:16, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Okay, Bruce, I just tried method 1 using LO 4.1.5.3 on Windows 7. I inserted about 11 pictures. I then resized them using a Frame Style I had previously set up. I then moved them into position where I wanted them and, once in place, I protected both their positions and size using your first method. On a couple occasions, LO stopped responding for a few seconds, but it recovered. It was generally going well until I got to the 10th picture. After setting its size with my Frame Style, I just couldn't move it to my desired location. I kept trying when, Sproing!! The 10th picture got stuck in a footer and the 9th picture (on which I had already protected both size and position) suddenly resized itself, stretching from the top margin to the bottom margin. It had originally only covered about half the page from top to bottom. So, obviously the protect size and position didn't work. Dang! I thought I had it. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 4:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) In the past, when I've had such problems, people have suggested using a desktop publisher, like Scribus. I probably should, but that's just another learning curve. For my current project, I tried it on LO Writer, LyX, ReText (markdown), and Atlantis. Of the four, LO worked the worst. Sorry, TDF, just calling it like it is (at least the way I perceive it). I'll assume it's user error, but with Bruce's question, it seems I'm not alone. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 20:16, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Virgil: I didn't think it could be so easy. I suspect that the second method may be more reliable. Frames seem to be wonky in the latest releases, but tables seem to have fewer problems. On Wednesday 21 May 2014 06:26:44 PM Virgil Arrington wrote: Okay, Bruce, I just tried method 1 using LO 4.1.5.3 on Windows 7. I inserted about 11 pictures. I then resized them using a Frame Style I had previously set up. I then moved them into position where I wanted them and, once in place, I protected both their positions and size using your first method. On a couple occasions, LO stopped responding for a few seconds, but it recovered. It was generally going well until I got to the 10th picture. After setting its size with my Frame Style, I just couldn't move it to my desired location. I kept trying when, Sproing!! The 10th picture got stuck in a footer and the 9th picture (on which I had already protected both size and position) suddenly resized itself, stretching from the top margin to the bottom margin. It had originally only covered about half the page from top to bottom. So, obviously the protect size and position didn't work. Dang! I thought I had it. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 4:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Do you mean position of the images in relation to the wording around them or static on specific pages regardless of the text (or lack of) on that page? Regards from Tom :) I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of identifying the challenge for the LO developers. When positioning pictures, you want them both in a certain place on a page *and* you want certain text around them -- hence the anchoring option. Getting both is a real challenge. I think with Bruce's first method, the program (tries to) preserve the size and position of picture at a given point on the page. As I added and removed text around the pictures after preserving size and position, the pictures didn't move. That was what I wanted and, like I said, it worked well until I got too many pictures (10). Then the spring sprung. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On Wednesday 21 May 2014 09:01:19 PM Virgil Arrington wrote: I think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of identifying the challenge for the LO developers. When positioning pictures, you want them both in a certain place on a page *and* you want certain text around them -- hence the anchoring option. Getting both is a real challenge. I think with Bruce's first method, the program (tries to) preserve the size and position of picture at a given point on the page. As I added and removed text around the pictures after preserving size and position, the pictures didn't move. That was what I wanted and, like I said, it worked well until I got too many pictures (10). Then the spring sprung. I wonder: 1. Is the number of pictures the problem? Or was there some way in which the program was trying to do the impossible -- for instance, keeping a picture in a position that was too small for it? 2. Could the anchor position have an effect? 3. What if the picture was placed inside a frame, and the frame size and position protected? I'm going to see what results I get in answering these questions. I'll post my results, probably by tomorrow evening. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. --Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. Errr, it was Scribus that i meant earlier, not inkscape! Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 23:31, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 5/21/2014 4:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) In the past, when I've had such problems, people have suggested using a desktop publisher, like Scribus. I probably should, but that's just another learning curve. For my current project, I tried it on LO Writer, LyX, ReText (markdown), and Atlantis. Of the four, LO worked the worst. Sorry, TDF, just calling it like it is (at least the way I perceive it). I'll assume it's user error, but with Bruce's question, it seems I'm not alone. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) I've had trouble with text not flowing into obvious white-spaces between fairly large images. I've got a feeling that Draw might be better for my newsletter but i've never had time to set-up the text-boxes and really give it a fair go. Other people have been urging me to try inkscape for it but i've always stuck to writer and just had fun with it. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 21:28, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Bruce, Your post is very timely. I've been wrestling with a document containing 15 photographs with captions. I wanted to insert them into the text with text wrapping around the pictures. I made numerous attempts and often found myself trying to move or resize a picture just a little bit. When I tried, the picture suddenly changed to a different page (with either paragraph or character anchoring). At one point, I had a sproingg!! moment and found 6 pictures had jumped to one location and were piled on top of each other. I had placed these six images on 3 or 4 different pages. I finally gave up and reverted to my reliable Atlantis and created a separate Appendix document consisting of a single picture on each page. I'm sure I could have done this with LO Writer, but Atlantis made the whole process so easy that I just used it to get the job done. When I have a few more minutes, I'll try to recreate both of your methods to see how they work. I'll let you know how it works. Virgil On 5/21/2014 3:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
