Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 07/01/2012 12:39 AM, jdow wrote:
On 2012/06/30 20:55, JD wrote:
On 06/30/2012 08:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Every time I start firefox after recent updates, top
shows it periodically taking up to 50% of the CPU
even if I'm just looking at a simple page of plain
html (no scripts, not even any images) on my local
web server.
This is ff 13.0.1 on x86_64 fedora 17.
Any clues? Anyone see anything similar?
50% !!!???
Huh consider yourself LUCKY!
On my old unicore amd64 (3.7GHz "equivalent :) :) /smirk/)
it escalates sometimes to 95% of cpu.
top tends to be confusing that way.
Note this line from my machine at a time it said FF was at 87.8%:
Cpu(s): 13.6%us, 33.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 52.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.2%si,
0.0%st
That was really 87.4% of the 13.6% user time that was consumed.
{^_^}
in /include/linux/taskstats.h
The comment reads:
/* cpu "virtual" running time
* Uses time intervals seen by the kernel i.e. no adjustment
* for kernel's involuntary waits due to virtualization.
* Value is cumulative, in nanoseconds, without a corresponding
count
* and wraps around to zero silently on overflow
*/
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Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 2012/07/01 00:27, JD wrote:
On 07/01/2012 12:39 AM, jdow wrote:
On 2012/06/30 20:55, JD wrote:
On 06/30/2012 08:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Every time I start firefox after recent updates, top
shows it periodically taking up to 50% of the CPU
even if I'm just looking at a simple page of plain
html (no scripts, not even any images) on my local
web server.
This is ff 13.0.1 on x86_64 fedora 17.
Any clues? Anyone see anything similar?
50% !!!???
Huh consider yourself LUCKY!
On my old unicore amd64 (3.7GHz "equivalent :) :) /smirk/)
it escalates sometimes to 95% of cpu.
top tends to be confusing that way.
Note this line from my machine at a time it said FF was at 87.8%:
Cpu(s): 13.6%us, 33.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 52.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st
That was really 87.4% of the 13.6% user time that was consumed.
{^_^}
in /include/linux/taskstats.h
The comment reads:
/* cpu "virtual" running time
* Uses time intervals seen by the kernel i.e. no adjustment
* for kernel's involuntary waits due to virtualization.
* Value is cumulative, in nanoseconds, without a corresponding count
* and wraps around to zero silently on overflow
*/
Hm, please define virtualization in this context. I am running a flat
SL6.2 system with no virtual machine in the box at all.
Note that you get 100% if you add up all the values on that line.
There is no way you can get 87.4% cpu usage out of those numbers
without claiming some of the idle time is used by firefox without
attribution.
{^_^}
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Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 06/30/2012 10:13 PM, David Timms wrote: > On 01/07/12 13:58, Tim wrote: >> On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 22:17 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: >> 4. Bookmarked RSS feeds that it's going to visit and fetch updates >> from. >> 5. Even just a large collection of static page bookmarks seem to >> bog it down. > > It would be interesting to see what net traffic is requested/received > during startup. Stopping all other net apps (updates, etc), starting > wireshark capturing, and then starting firefox, could give a good clue. I think maybe this is caused by the leap second issue. Try rebooting and see if it goes away. See http://www.google.com/search?ix=acb&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=leap+second+linux Nataraj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot find valid baseurl for rpmfusion repo
On 06/30/2012 07:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 30.06.2012 11:20, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: >> On 06/30/2012 09:11 AM, Andre Speelmans wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 >>> wrote: >>> This is futile, I'm no longer interested in understanding your position, whatever it maybe. >>> It might on the other hand be worthwhile to see and understand your >>> own position. >>> You are the one thinking Reindl has a problem, while in fact he does >>> not, something he even points out by telling he is not the OP. I am >>> not meaning you should stop advising, but when doing so, do try to >>> keep track of who was actually having problems. >>> >>> Reindl's question why one would prefer a localrepo, instead of a >>> localinstall was a quite valid one. Which you do not go into. That I >>> think exactly like Reindl in this case that this would have no benefit >>> whatsoever, is what makes me (and probably Reindl too) interested in >>> the answer to that question. Because if there is a benefit, we would >>> like to hear it, so we can improve our own knowledge. >>> >>> So the question was not about bashing, or whatever, but an interest in >>> what might be the added value of a local repository versus simple >>> local packages for a one-shot install. >>> >>> So, please, if you see that benefit, enlighten me, as I would really >>> like to learn it, if there is one. >>> (And note: we are talking about a one time install on one machine, >>> nothing needed to distribute among many.) >>> >> I refer you to my previous post, but if you wish to waste your time >> on this, feel free. > > what did you not understand in DO NOT POST HTML on mailing-list > the only one which is wasting time here is you because you > advise people but you are unable to explain what your method > should do different than other ones which makes it appearing > like a blind shot in the dark with no technical reason > > you main problem on this thread was beside the tech facts > taht you still refuse to realize who is the OP with whatever > problem and who are other epople (like i was in this thread) > > a discussion does not work if one of the ivolved people does > not know to whom he is responding what > > You obviously enjoy wasting your time -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 01.07.2012, Tom Horsley wrote: > It is sitting there using between 50 and 100% of the > CPU virtually all the time :-(. I did watch closely over a period of 15 min. now, and Firefox showed totally normal behaviour without any CPU-spikes. [root@wildsau ~]# rpm -qa | grep -i "firefox" firefox-13.0.1-1.fc17.x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
Tim: >> General things that cause Firefox to chew through the CPU, when you >> don't expect it to: >> >> 2. A long page visit history. JD: > The storage for this list is like a drop in the bucket compared > to the storage for a large web page cache. The same answer applies for the keeping of the list of what you've downloaded, the cache, the visit history, et cetera: It's not the space used, but the processing of lots of little files, comparing the data kept in the database about the files, and working out which ones should be left or deleted. There seems to be something extremely inefficient about how it does that. For instance, people noticed a big difference when the bookmarks changed from being a flat HTML file to a database system. >> 4. Bookmarked RSS feeds that it's going to visit and fetch updates >> from. > I have none of those! I can't recall whether there were any pre-bookmarked with the default installation. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
Am 01.07.2012 05:41, schrieb suvayu ali: > Hey Reindl, > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >>> Woosh! If you were of "a certain age," you'd have caught the reference >>> instantly: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner >> >> Woosh! If you were of "a certain age" that not all members >> of a english mailing list have english as native language >> nor do the read books or see films in english and the also >> do not recall the english wikipedia for any word someone says >> > > Lighten up a little. Since we are all emailing in English and this is > the users' list, it should be fine to share a bit of English humour. not if this "humor" is oyur only reply and not marked as such! humor in emails is not working without any hint signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fail to start bacula director with systemctl. REALLY SOLVED.
Am 01.07.2012 06:12, schrieb Erik P. Olsen: > On 30/06/12 22:43, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 06/30/2012 01:33 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: >>> Well, since it makes bacula run, it IS a solution allthough I admit it >>> IS bad. >> >> No it isn't. It's a work-around that allows bacula to run while ignoring the >> central issue: you need to find out how to make bacula run correctly while >> running as user bacula. If the program itself is owned by that user, you may >> be >> able to get things going by using the suid bit. It's a tad weird, I know, and >> I'm not sure it's a Good Idea. However, if user bacula only has normal >> privileges, it's *probably* safe. > > Turned out to be my fault (of course). Had mistyped a path to a log file so > it would only run as root. and that was meant with "no it is not a solution" run as root :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On 07/01/2012 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 01.07.2012 05:41, schrieb suvayu ali:
>> Hey Reindl,
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Reindl Harald
>> wrote:
Woosh! If you were of "a certain age," you'd have caught the reference
instantly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner
>>> Woosh! If you were of "a certain age" that not all members
>>> of a english mailing list have english as native language
>>> nor do the read books or see films in english and the also
>>> do not recall the english wikipedia for any word someone says
>>>
>> Lighten up a little. Since we are all emailing in English and this is
>> the users' list, it should be fine to share a bit of English humour.
> not if this "humor" is oyur only reply and not marked as such!
> humor in emails is not working without any hint
>
>
>
not
not
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French"; "she is not going"; "they are not friends";
"not many"; "not much"; "not at all"
interested
interested
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fascination or concern; "an interested audience";
"interested in sports"; "was interested to hear about
her family"; "interested in knowing who was on the
telephone"; "interested spectators" [ant: {uninterested}]
2: involved in or affected by or having a claim to or share in;
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Re: Message when running yum update
Am 01.07.2012 12:21, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930: > On 07/01/2012 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 01.07.2012 05:41, schrieb suvayu ali: >>> Hey Reindl, >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Reindl Harald >>> wrote: > Woosh! If you were of "a certain age," you'd have caught the reference > instantly: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner Woosh! If you were of "a certain age" that not all members of a english mailing list have english as native language nor do the read books or see films in english and the also do not recall the english wikipedia for any word someone says >>> Lighten up a little. Since we are all emailing in English and this is >>> the users' list, it should be fine to share a bit of English humour. >> not if this "humor" is oyur only reply and not marked as such! >> humor in emails is not working without any hint >> >> >> > not > YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails this was told you many times now after your braindead argumentation in the thread "Cannot find valid baseurl for rpmfusion repo" you generelly better be quiet signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On 07/01/2012 11:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 01.07.2012 12:21, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>> On 07/01/2012 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Am 01.07.2012 05:41, schrieb suvayu ali:
Hey Reindl,
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Reindl Harald
wrote:
>> Woosh! If you were of "a certain age," you'd have caught the reference
>> instantly:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner
> Woosh! If you were of "a certain age" that not all members
> of a english mailing list have english as native language
> nor do the read books or see films in english and the also
> do not recall the english wikipedia for any word someone says
>
Lighten up a little. Since we are all emailing in English and this is
the users' list, it should be fine to share a bit of English humour.
>>> not if this "humor" is oyur only reply and not marked as such!
>>> humor in emails is not working without any hint
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> not
>>
>
> YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not
> leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails
>
> this was told you many times now
>
> after your braindead argumentation in the thread
> "Cannot find valid baseurl for rpmfusion repo"
> you generelly better be quiet
>
>
time
time
n 1: an instance or single occasion for some event; "this time he
succeeded"; "he called four times"; "he could do ten at
a clip" [syn: {clip}]
2: an indefinite period (usually marked by specific attributes
or activities); "he waited a long time"; "the time of year
for planting"; "he was a great actor is his time"
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and sufficient to accomplish something; "take time to
smell the roses"; "I didn't have time to finish"; "it took
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4: a suitable moment; "it is time to go"
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person who performs an action in a certain period of
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process to manufacture our cars very precisely"
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desired time; "The good player times his swing so as to
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"otiose lines in a play"; "advice is wasted words"
[syn: {otiose}, {pointless}, {superfluous}]
2: not used to good advantage; "squandered money cannot be
replaced"; "a wasted effort" [syn: {squandered}]
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a result of disease or injury or lack of use; "partial
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{diminished}][ant: {hypertrophied}]
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men and skeletal boys"; "eyes were haggard and cavernous";
"small pinched faces"; "kept life in his wasted frame only
by grim concentration" [syn: {bony}, {cadaverous}, {emaciated},
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Re: Message when running yum update
DO YOU FUCKING IDIOT NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS A MAILING-LIST
AND YOU GET MY MESSAGES REFERRING TO OTHER PEOPLE BY
THE NATURE OF A MAILING-LIST?
SO STOP TO REPLY TO EVERY MESSAGE WITH YOUR DAMNED
BULLSHIT WHILE YOU ARE SPAMMING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
SHUT UP!
Am 01.07.2012 12:28, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>
>> YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not
>> leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails
>>
>> this was told you many times now
>>
>> after your braindead argumentation in the thread
>> "Cannot find valid baseurl for rpmfusion repo"
>> you generelly better be quiet
>>
>>
> time
> time
> n 1: an instance or single occasion for some event; "this time he
> succeeded"; "he called four times"; "he could do ten at
> a clip" [syn: {clip}]
> 2: an indefinite period (usually marked by specific attributes
> or activities); "he waited a long time"; "the time of year
> for planting"; "he was a great actor is his time"
> 3: a period of time considered as a resource under your control
> and sufficient to accomplish something; "take time to
> smell the roses"; "I didn't have time to finish"; "it took
> more than half my time"
> 4: a suitable moment; "it is time to go"
> 5: the continuum of experience in which events pass from the
> future through the present to the past
> 6: the time as given by a clock; "do you know what time it
> is?"; "the time is 10 o'clock" [syn: {clock time}]
> 7: the fourth coordinate that is required (along with three
> spatial dimensions) to specify a physical event [syn: {fourth
> dimension}]
> 8: a person's experience on a particular occasion; "he had a
> time holding back the tears"; "they had a good time
> together"
> 9: rhythm as given by division into parts of equal time [syn: {meter},
> {metre}]
> 10: the period of time a prisoner is imprisoned; "he served a
> prison term of 15 months"; "his sentence was 5 to 10
> years"; "he is doing time in the county jail" [syn: {prison
> term}, {sentence}]
>
> time
> v 1: measure the time or duration of an event or action or the
> person who performs an action in a certain period of
> time; "he clocked the runners" [syn: {clock}]
> 2: assign a time for an activity or event; "The candidate
> carefully timed his appearance at the disaster scene"
> 3: set the speed, duration, or execution of; "we time the
> process to manufacture our cars very precisely"
> 4: regulate or set the time of; "time the clock"
> 5: adjust so that a force is applied an an action occurs at the
> desired time; "The good player times his swing so as to
> hit the ball squarely"
>
>
> wasted
> wasted
> adj 1: serving no useful purpose; having no excuse for being;
> "otiose lines in a play"; "advice is wasted words"
> [syn: {otiose}, {pointless}, {superfluous}]
> 2: not used to good advantage; "squandered money cannot be
> replaced"; "a wasted effort" [syn: {squandered}]
> 3: (of an organ or body part) diminished in size or strength as
> a result of disease or injury or lack of use; "partial
> paralysis resulted in an atrophied left arm" [syn: {atrophied},
> {diminished}][ant: {hypertrophied}]
> 4: very thin especially from disease or hunger or cold;
> "emaciated bony hands"; "a nightmare population of gaunt
> men and skeletal boys"; "eyes were haggard and cavernous";
> "small pinched faces"; "kept life in his wasted frame only
> by grim concentration" [syn: {bony}, {cadaverous}, {emaciated},
> {gaunt}, {haggard}, {pinched}, {skeletal}]
> 5: made uninhabitable; "upon this blasted heath"- Shakespeare;
> "a wasted landscape" [syn: {blasted}, {desolate}, {desolated},
> {devastated}, {ravaged}, {ruined}]
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Message when running yum update
total
total
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entire town devastated by an earthquake"; "gave full
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Re: Message when running yum update
DO YOU IDIOT REALLY NOT REALIZE THAT YOU ARE
POSTING TO A MAILING-LIST SHUT UP!
Am 01.07.2012 12:34, schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
>
> total
> total
> adj 1: constituting the full quantity or extent; complete; "an
> entire town devastated by an earthquake"; "gave full
> attention"; "a total failure" [syn: {entire}, {full}]
> 2: including everything; "the overall cost"; "the total amount
> owed" [syn: {overall}]
> 3: without conditions or limitations; "a total ban" [syn: {absolute},
> {unconditioned}]
> 4: complete in extent or degree and in every particular; "a
> full game"; "a total eclipse"; "a total disaster" [syn: {full}]
> [also: {totalling}, {totalled}]
>
> total
> n 1: the whole amount [syn: {sum}, {totality}, {aggregate}]
> 2: a quantity obtained by addition [syn: {sum}, {amount}]
> [also: {totalling}, {totalled}]
>
> total
> v 1: add up in number or quantity; "The bills amounted to
> $2,000"; "The bill came to $2,000" [syn: {number}, {add
> up}, {come}, {amount}]
> 2: determine the sum of; "Add all the people in this town to
> those of the neighboring town" [syn: {tot}, {tot up}, {sum},
> {sum up}, {summate}, {tote up}, {add}, {add together}, {tally},
> {add up}]
> [also: {totalling}, {totalled}]
>
>
>
>
> indifference
> indifference
> n 1: unbiased impartial unconcern
> 2: apathy demonstrated by an absence of emotional reactions
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Re: Message when running yum update
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Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:53:11 -0700 Nataraj wrote: > I think maybe this is caused by the leap second issue. Try rebooting > and see if it goes away. See > http://www.google.com/search?ix=acb&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=leap+second+linux Thanks for the pointer, that may have been it! I don't understand the complicated interactions that make a leap second confuse a computer more than the RTC running slow confuses it, but this issue did indeed go away after a reboot (and I'm pretty sure I didn't see the problem till after midnight UTC which is when the leap second would have happened). They really ought to switch to a new version of NTP protocol that is just like the old one, but works from TAI and sends a database of leap second info around as well so computers can translate TAI into UTC. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to? (and httpd, ATS, named...)
Am 01.07.2012 14:47, schrieb Tom Horsley: > On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:53:11 -0700 > Nataraj wrote: > >> http://www.google.com/search?ix=acb&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=leap+second+linux > > Thanks for the pointer, that may have been it! > > I don't understand the complicated interactions that > make a leap second confuse a computer more than the > RTC running slow confuses it, but this issue did indeed > go away after a reboot a bug is a bug > They really ought to switch to a new version of NTP > protocol that is just like the old one, but works from > TAI and sends a database of leap second info around as > well so computers can translate TAI into UTC. in case of a bug whatever new protocol will not help this seems more likely to be a kernel bug because there were many apps on different machines affected * BIND * MySQL (hardly!) * Apache Traffic Server * Firefox * Thunderbird * who knows what else see also: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=65778 i recently restarted ALL computers in our production envirnonment up to any VMware ESXi Host, SAN-Storage-Controllers (Managment/Storage) even up to my Android-Phone for security after woke up and saw tons of alarms about high CPU usage on the whole infrastructure caused mostly by 15 mysqld instances (and saw the same at home in VMware-Guests and host) yes, my first guess to the mysql-list was that i think it has something to do with teh leap-second last night signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On 01.07.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not > leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails [] Not long ago, after some mails on the topic "64 bit version of Adobwe Reader" in this list, I got a private email of Harald Reindl, written in the same unfriendly manner and in the same hostile tone as his later replies to you here in this thread. I decided not to answer and to temporarily fade-out his mails in my mailreader, then. Now I see by reading the text in your replies that his ugly behaviour seems to be a chronical phenomenon, unfortunately. Harald, I think you could be very helpful by using arguments which are relevant and related, instead of offending people and nitpicking on them, taking for granted at most of them must be dumb. In fact, most people realize quickly what's going on and silently ignore you. So, do you have strong enough personality to realize, accept and change? It's up to you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
Am 01.07.2012 15:08, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 01.07.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not >> leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails > [] > > Not long ago, after some mails on the topic "64 bit version of Adobwe > Reader" in this list, I got a private email of Harald Reindl, written > in the same unfriendly manner and in the same hostile tone as his > > Harald, I think you could be very helpful by using arguments which are > relevant and related, instead of offending people and nitpicking on > them, taking for granted at most of them must be dumb. In fact, most > people realize quickly what's going on and silently ignore you. > > So, do you have strong enough personality to realize, accept and change? > It's up to you do you not realize that this guy is replying ANY message of me to the list with idiotic bullshit even for threads nobody spoke to him? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
Am 01.07.2012 15:08, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 01.07.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> YOU GUY leave me fuck in peace as long you have not >> leant to use a mail-client and get rid of HTML mails > [] > > Not long ago, after some mails on the topic "64 bit version of Adobwe > Reader" in this list, I got a private email of Harald Reindl, written > in the same unfriendly manner and in the same hostile tone as his > later replies to you here in this thread you missed to say that YOU started to reply off-list to me while refusing to understand what about i am speaking the whole time because you were to lazy to read the threads context so NO i DID NOT repply off-list to yiu in the first place signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to? (and httpd, ATS, named...)
On Sunday, 1. July 2012. 15.06.34 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 01.07.2012 14:47, schrieb Tom Horsley: > > They really ought to switch to a new version of NTP > > protocol that is just like the old one, but works from > > TAI and sends a database of leap second info around as > > well so computers can translate TAI into UTC. > > in case of a bug whatever new protocol will not help > this seems more likely to be a kernel bug because > there were many apps on different machines affected > > * BIND > * MySQL (hardly!) > * Apache Traffic Server > * Firefox > * Thunderbird > * who knows what else > > see also: > http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=65778 > > i recently restarted ALL computers in our production envirnonment > up to any VMware ESXi Host, SAN-Storage-Controllers (Managment/Storage) > even up to my Android-Phone for security after woke up and saw tons of > alarms about high CPU usage on the whole infrastructure caused > mostly by 15 mysqld instances (and saw the same at home in VMware-Guests > and host) > > yes, my first guess to the mysql-list was that i think it > has something to do with teh leap-second last night I've got bitten by this as well. It was a kernel bug, mishandling the leap second (AFAIU, it left the door open for some race condition to happen or not happen, and if it happens...). See http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1203.1/04598.html Of course, the workaround is to reset the date or reboot the machine, whichever is easier. ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
RE: Disk troubles - which disk is that ?
>Also, I seen sd 2:0:0:0: as the disk label, how would you convert that >to /dev/sdN disk ? Its the sys interface :) Start with this: ls -al /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/2\:0\:0\:0/block Good luck, jlc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: powerdown restarts
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 01:49 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > On 30.06.2012 23:32, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 08:36 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >> On 06/30/2012 03:51:45 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > >>> On 29.06.2012 22:37, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > This problem has been submitted to Bugzilla (836657), but I thought > >>> I'd > ask here to see if there are any fixes lurking. > > System is running 3.4.3-1.fc17.x86_64. When I systemctl poweroff > >>> the > >>> > kernel reboots instead of powering off. Under Windows 7, power off > works as expected. All packages are up-to-date. > > Any ideas? > >>> What about shutdown -h ? Does it work as expected? Then try halt and > >>> poweroff commands. > >> It's my understanding that poweroff is a backwards-compatibility > >> implementation of systemctl poweroff, which I have tried to no avail. I > >> should have mentioned that. It appears that halt is the same. shutdown > >> if a link to systemctl. Bottom line is that I would not expect any of > >> these to be any different, but I live in hope and will report back if > >> there's any difference. > >> > >> I should also mention that systemctl poweroff works fine on my laptop > >> running the 32-bit version of Fedora 16. > >> > >> One point, FWIW. Power off is essential for my application. Merely > >> halt-ing is no better than just leaving the system running. > >> > >> Thanks. I don't wish to seem ungrateful -:) > >> > >> > > I disagree with the other posters. There is a magic related to shutdown > > poweroff and halt. If you look at the man pages you will find that > > shutdown and poweroff have different options. It is clear that when > > systemctl is called under a different name it checks the name and > > potentially reacts differently. For example poweroff by itself will > > shutdown the machine . systemctl called by itself will not. > > If you check source code with is more reliable then any man page could > ever be, you will find that there really is nothing magical. Please see > file src/systemctl/systemctl.c in systemd source tree. Commands like > halt, shutdown and power off call the reboot() function. I can agree > that argument to reboot() may change between this calls but it's still > the same function they're calling. We bare talking passed each other so we are not getting anywhere. The point is systemctl by itself does not power down the system. But when it is called with a different name it changes its functionality. What does the now in the command: shutdown -r now mean for the poweroff command. -- === A computer scientist is someone who fixes things that aren't broken. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 19:24 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Jonathan Dieter lesbg.com> writes: > > > Anyhow, a quick check in yum shows that both product-id and > > subscription-manager aren't in the Fedora repositories. Removing them > > (again, assuming you're on a Fedora machine) should fix the error > > message. > > subscription-manager is in F17: > > Name: subscription-manager > Arch: x86_64 > Version : 1.0.3 > Release : 1.fc17 > Yeah, I missed that. I was looking for a yum plugin. Thanks, Andre, for the correction. Jonathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 23:06 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/2012 10:00 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > So, I hope that helps a little more with the situation. We could use a > > hand on this from the vpnc and rdp folks on the list... > > I looked back on the messages in the thread. I don't think I missed > anythingbut > this is the first time I can find anything being mentioned about a VPN. I missed the first part of the thread, so I don't know if it was mentioned or not. But, yes, there is a VPN. I'll be in the building later today, so I'll also be able to test this from the inside network, taking the VPN piece out of the picture. I'll get back to you with more on that. > First it sounded as if there was a simple problem with making a Remote Desktop > connection. Then it sounded like either a misunderstanding between how > hostnames are > resolved. > > I, for one, am confused. I don't know the network topology. I don't know > what > "boxes" are involved or IP addresses or anything that would "really" define > the > problem. > > I'll tell you what I *think* may be the layout. > > You have a Cisco VPN Gateway with 2 interfaces. Let's call them "inside" and > "outside". > For argument sake I'll assign the IP addresses for the Cisco as > inside=192.168.0.1 > outside=192.168.1.1 ...Not exactly the IP address ranges used, but for argument's sake the basic part here is correct. > You have 2 Linux boxes. One on the outside and one on the inside. The one > on the > inside is running the xrdp serverand the client is on the outside. > > For argument sake I'll call them IN and OUT with the following IP addresses. > IN=192.168.0.20 > OUT=192.168.1.20 Again, pretty close. Actually the box (actually, there are several) are running Windows Server 2008 and have the standard Windows RDP server (Windows Terminal Services) running for remote administration purposes. All of these boxes are actually VMs running in a VMware vSphere based virtual environment (not necessary to the conversation, but so you have the full picture). > First you establish a VPN connection from OUT to the Cisco. Then, you want > to use > the Gnome-rdp client or Remmina client to obtain a remote desktop connection. > > Is that correct so far? If it is, could you fill in the correct names/IP > addresses > involved? > If not, could you correct my understanding of the topology? Correct, with exceptions noted as above... > Now, assuming the topology is correct.. > > Without making a RDP attempt Can you ping IN from OUT using the > hostname? IP > address? Can you ssh to IN from OUT using the hostname? IP address? Here's where the answer is a little more complicated: When using a Windows system with the Cisco VPN client, the answer across the board is yes. We can ping, use Remote Desktop, and use all Web services on the inside network. We can also use the VI Client from VMware to remotely administer the system and all additional feature work. When using the vpnc client and Network Manager, the answers are different. We are able to ping (at least to allowed systems), and we can use Web based network services. However Gnome-RDP and Reminna fail as noted earlier. Host names are not resolved by either client, and both are unable to connect and maintain RDP sessions. That's why I'm certain there is nothing wrong with the VPN configuration. The reason I suspect there couls be something amiss with Network Manager / vpnc is that the VPN connection with these does error out and drop with a frequency that's best described as frustrating. I'm also pretty suspicious that something with RDP is also gone awry. Hope that makes sense! Chris -- Christopher A. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 22:24 -0400, fred smith wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 06:43:30PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 17:57 -0400, fred smith wrote: > > > I haven't used Fedora on my netbook since F14, I used Centos 6 in that > > > interim. > > > > > > however, both centos 6 and fedora (back when I used it) allowd one to > > > press the netbook's power switch, while logged in, and got a dialog > > > offering choices like shutdown, log off, standby, hibernate. > > > > > > how, on F17 though, it just does a shutdown, depending on which > > > desktop/session I'm in. (in gnome it seems to just go to standby mode, > > > while in lxde or xfce (or MATE, which I've installed) it just shuts down. > > > > > > I assume this is an artifact of systemd, but have no clue how to hack > > > it to make it once again offer the choices. > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > Fred > > > -- > > Why does it have to be the power switch. Why is the menu with the > > appropriate choices avoidable to you (under name menu in Gnome for > > example) sufficient.? > > well, 2 or 3 reasons: > --it's easier to press the power button than to find the right > menu item (in Gnome 3.x) > --the menu whereof you speak includes suspend and log out, but not > hibernate, restart or shut down. I can't find a simple "shutdown" > item on any of the menus, at least on my system am I overlooking > something? > --it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would > restore said functionality. > > Fred Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome yout get poweroff, and reboot. -- === It's very inconvenient to be mortal -- you never know when everything may suddenly stop happening. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 19:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/30/2012 07:24 PM, fred smith wrote: > > --it's just a reduction in functionality, so I wonder how one would > >restore said functionality. > > How about putting a launcher on your panel that runs the appropriate > command? How do you put a launcher on a panel in Gnome 3? -- === The best way to accelerate a Macintoy is at 9.8 meters per second per second. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 08:47 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I don't understand the complicated interactions that > make a leap second confuse a computer more than the > RTC running slow confuses it, It's a smallish problem to tell the computer that the time is wrong, and to reset the clock to another time, whether forwards or backwards. Sometimes that's handled without major issues, sometimes it does have repercussions. But it's something that computing has dealt with for quite a long time. Leap seconds, on the other hand, means that for one particular moment in time, a minute isn't 60 seconds long. That's not an event that a lot of people calculating dates and times have ever considered, and some things handle that very badly, such as crashing. For some situations, you can simply reset and start again, after the time change. But how do you handle things that happen during that extra second with software that has no concept of a 61 second minute? When something happened on that date, how do you represent it if you cannot say a date of 2012-06-30 00:00'60"? (Remember the seconds count from zero to 59, not 1 to 60.) Do you call it 00:01'00" and have two, different, 1 minutes past midnight? And then there's the converse... If we have a year where they have to deduct seconds, how do represent something that happened during the, now, removed seconds, but recorded by the, then, still counting clock? And, in either case, when you use a system that counts the number of seconds since a certain epoch, to show you the date and time of something, do you show the right time and date when there's a miscount in the middle of it? You need a correction table of dates it has to modify, and I don't think anybody's ever produced a clock program that does that. On that note, I've often wondered how systems that look at a file's GMT datestamp and tell you that time translated into your local time, cope with datestamps from a long way away, when timezone rules keep on changing. We could maintain a table of rules so that the computer can correctly give you the times during summer of 1976, but how far back is the table maintained? Sure, you won't have to read back a timestamp from the year 1827, but there could be a reason to calculate something from a known date and time, that's not to do with a computer file. And there's the converse function. If you had to calculate a date and time in 2023, would you know what rules would be applied during that year to do it correctly? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 08:58 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome yout get poweroff, and > reboot. How does one do this when you don't have a keyboard? Can you use an on-screen keyboard at the same time as using the menu? (Which would be a horrid thing to have to do, by the way.) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On 07/01/2012 09:58 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: Look forward to hearing how your test without the VPN work out >> You have a Cisco VPN Gateway with 2 interfaces. Let's call them "inside" and >> "outside". >> For argument sake I'll assign the IP addresses for the Cisco as >> inside=192.168.0.1 >> outside=192.168.1.1 > ...Not exactly the IP address ranges used, but for argument's sake the > basic part here is correct. OK. I didn't expect to be able to guess the IP's in use. :-) :-) >> You have 2 Linux boxes. One on the outside and one on the inside. The one >> on the >> inside is running the xrdp serverand the client is on the outside. >> >> For argument sake I'll call them IN and OUT with the following IP addresses. >> IN=192.168.0.20 >> OUT=192.168.1.20 > Again, pretty close. Actually the box (actually, there are several) are > running Windows Server 2008 and have the standard Windows RDP server > (Windows Terminal Services) running for remote administration purposes. > All of these boxes are actually VMs running in a VMware vSphere based > virtual environment (not necessary to the conversation, but so you have > the full picture). OK. The client side that fails in Linux. The server sides are Windows Server. > >> Now, assuming the topology is correct.. >> >> Without making a RDP attempt Can you ping IN from OUT using the >> hostname? IP >> address? Can you ssh to IN from OUT using the hostname? IP address? > Here's where the answer is a little more complicated: > > When using a Windows system with the Cisco VPN client, the answer across > the board is yes. We can ping, use Remote Desktop, and use all Web > services on the inside network. We can also use the VI Client from > VMware to remotely administer the system and all additional feature > work. > > When using the vpnc client and Network Manager, the answers are > different. We are able to ping (at least to allowed systems), and we can > use Web based network services. However Gnome-RDP and Reminna fail as > noted earlier. Host names are not resolved by either client, and both > are unable to connect and maintain RDP sessions. OK When you say the ping works from the Linux system you are using the IP address, right? I say that since you say the "hostnames are not resolved". Are you expecting the hostnames to be resolved via DNS? Are they actually registered in the DNS...or only in the hosts file? I ask this since applications will normally resolve hostnames based on the configuration in /etc/nsswitch.conf. But, the DNS tools like dig and nslookup ignore nsswitch.conf and go directly to DNS. My nsswitch.conf contains hosts: files dns and my /etc/hosts file has a line 192.168.0.18 nickel nickel.greshko.com But nickel is not in the DNS. So [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ping nickel PING nickel (192.168.0.18) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from nickel (192.168.0.18): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.024 ms 64 bytes from nickel (192.168.0.18): icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.033 ms works But [egreshko@meimei ~]$ host nickle Host nickle not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) fails All as expected. > > That's why I'm certain there is nothing wrong with the VPN > configuration. The reason I suspect there couls be something amiss with > Network Manager / vpnc is that the VPN connection with these does error > out and drop with a frequency that's best described as frustrating. I'm > also pretty suspicious that something with RDP is also gone awry. > The thing about VPN's and DNS is that in many cases the /etc/resolv.conf should be altered by the action of connecting the VPN so "internal" servers are used as opposed to "external" servers since the "internal" servers would contain "private" DNS information. I use OpenVPN... Prior to connecting the VPN the resolv.conf contains # Generated by NetworkManager search greshko.com nameserver 192.168.0.55 While after it contains # Generated by NetworkManager search greshko.com nameserver 66.171.178.35 nameserver 66.171.178.34 nameserver 192.168.0.55 I'm not familiar with vpnc but I would expect this to be the same. When it comes to rdpthe other test that I suggested it to "telnet" from the client to the server rdp port to see if a connection is made. telnet WinServerIP 3389 Should make a connection assuming the server side is using the standard port. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On 07/01/2012 10:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > When you say the ping works from the Linux system you are using the IP > address, right? That was a dumb thing for me to say since I showed you could use the hostname if you have it in the hosts file. Sue me It is late here in Taiwan. :-) :-) -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: using cdrdao
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:18 AM, JD wrote: > Just for fun, I thought I would try to run cdrdao to burn > a .bin file (via a .cue file): > > $ cdrdao write --overburn --device /dev/sg1 --driver generic-mmc 'Into The I suspect -overburn is the reason. I had my old ancient dvd burner start to fail -and hanging!- while attempting to burn a disc with overburn. A few months later the drive completely died... I was unable to burn anything. So, I ended up replacing the dvdrw drive and the problem was solved So if you have another dvd-rw drive around, I´d try switching recorders and trying again. (easier if you´ve got external drives or internal ones in external usb enclosures). Just my $0.02 FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On 07/01/2012 06:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: do you not realize that this guy is replying ANY message of me to the list with idiotic bullshit even for threads nobody spoke to him? Actually I'm only seeing your side of the conversation. Checking, I see that I've already killfiled the person who's offending you. Maybe it would be for the best if you just did the same. You'll be happier, the list will be happier, and it will do a world of good for your blood pressure. I'd hate to hear that this twit got you so angry that it spewed out of your ears.[1] [1]As Foghorn Leghorn would say, "That's a joke, son. Laugh!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software, with a read-only root partition? There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 07/01/2012 10:01 AM, John Wendel wrote: Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software, with a read-only root partition? There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. If I'm not mistaken, /var needs to be on that partition and needs to be writable. If so, then you can't have a read-only root partition. And, just so we all know where we're going here, why would you want to? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How to manually install an httpd module? SELinix denial?
Hi all, I am trying to install Apache Rivet under Fedora 17 (http://tcl.apache.org/rivet/static/download.html). Everything seems as expected, except for starting httpd. Httpd does not start, I get an error in apache logs: [Sun Jul 01 20:05:13 2012] [error] (20014)Internal error: mod_rivet: init.tcl must be installed correctly for Apache Rivet to function: can't find package RivetTcl exactly 2.1 (/usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet) Of course file /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl exists: -rw-r--r--. root root system_u:object_r:lib_t:s0 /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl The audit log shows: type=SERVICE_START msg=audit(1341162429.242:416): pid=0 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg=' comm="httpd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed' How to solve this? I thing that I have a selinux denial. How to enable a custom apache module to work? George -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
Am 01.07.2012 19:08, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/01/2012 10:01 AM, John Wendel wrote: >> Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software, >> with a read-only root partition? >> >> There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some >> work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init >> system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd. >> >> Any clues would be greatly appreciated. >> > > If I'm not mistaken, /var needs to be on that partition and needs to be > writable. it is not uncommon to have /var on a own partition > If so, then you can't have a > read-only root partition. it works, but be really carefull > And, just so we all know where we're going here, why would you want to? in theory more security imagine a root-exploit changing a system binary much more difficult if the rootfs is readonly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 07/01/2012 10:11 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.07.2012 19:08, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 07/01/2012 10:01 AM, John Wendel wrote: Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software, with a read-only root partition? There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. If I'm not mistaken, /var needs to be on that partition and needs to be writable. it is not uncommon to have /var on a own partition If so, then you can't have a read-only root partition. it works, but be really carefull And, just so we all know where we're going here, why would you want to? in theory more security imagine a root-exploit changing a system binary much more difficult if the rootfs is readonly Extra security is certainly a plus. My main reason for wanting to run a read-only root it to avoid wearing out the consumer grade compact flash card that I'm using as my root device (yes, I'm cheap). Regards, John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
Am 01.07.2012 19:23, schrieb John Wendel: > On 07/01/2012 10:11 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 01.07.2012 19:08, schrieb Joe Zeff: >>> On 07/01/2012 10:01 AM, John Wendel wrote: Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software, with a read-only root partition? There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. >>> If I'm not mistaken, /var needs to be on that partition and needs to be >>> writable. >> it is not uncommon to have /var on a own partition >> >>> If so, then you can't have a >>> read-only root partition. >> it works, but be really carefull >> >>> And, just so we all know where we're going here, why would you want to? >> in theory more security >> >> imagine a root-exploit changing a system binary >> much more difficult if the rootfs is readonly >> > Extra security is certainly a plus. My main reason for wanting to run a > read-only root it to avoid wearing out the > consumer grade compact flash card that I'm using as my root device (yes, I'm > cheap) even if it works - you have ALWAYS to remember remount it rw on any yum-update - i personally would not do it because of some hardware signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 07/01/2012 10:11 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is not uncommon to have /var on a own partition I thought that there were things in /var that the system needed before the rest of the filesystem was mounted. Looks like I was wrong. Thanx, Reindl, for the correction. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 07/01/2012 10:23 AM, John Wendel wrote: Extra security is certainly a plus. My main reason for wanting to run a read-only root it to avoid wearing out the consumer grade compact flash card that I'm using as my root device (yes, I'm cheap). I'd suggest, then, using a distro that doesn't update as frequently as Fedora. /sbin is on the root device and you'd need to set it to rw every time one of its programs gets updated. Also, if you're using Fedora, have a separate /boot that's not on that card to make kernel updates easier. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
Am 01.07.2012 19:32, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/01/2012 10:23 AM, John Wendel wrote: >> Extra security is certainly a plus. My main reason for wanting to run a >> read-only root it to avoid wearing out the consumer grade compact flash >> card that I'm using as my root device (yes, I'm cheap). > > I'd suggest, then, using a distro that doesn't update as frequently as > Fedora. /sbin is on the root device and > you'd need to set it to rw every time one of its programs gets updated. > Also, if you're using Fedora, have a > separate /boot that's not on that card to make kernel updates easier. i do it the other direction /var/cache, /var/lib, /boot, /var/tmp, /var/log and /tmp on own partitions or in case of virtual machines even on drives because i can have rootfs as small as possible without fearing it gets full this would have the same effect without the problem of have to remeber remount rw before updates with "yum-plugin-security" and "yum update --security" you can even on Fedora minimize updates most of the time if you really want while you can update packages selective from the normal repos if a update fixes a bug which affects you signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
John Wendel wrote: > Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided > tools/software, with a read-only root partition? As I understand it, /etc does have to be on /. So you will need to either set up network user authentication, or live with any local users not being able to change their passwords (or possibly symlink /etc/shadow off /, but I’d expect trouble with that idea…) There used to be problems with /etc/mtab, but now that’s just a symlink to /proc/mounts, that isn’t a problem any more. Hope this helps, James. -- E-mail: james@ | The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those aprilcottage.co.uk | of my employer, are not necessarily mine, and in fact are | probably not necessary at all... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
Aaron Konstam wrote: > Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome > yout get poweroff, and reboot. Or if you install gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu . Hope this helps, James. -- E-mail: james@ | Top Tip: If you are being chased by a police dog, don’t aprilcottage.co.uk | try to get away by crawling through a tunnel, going onto | a little see-saw, and jumping through a hoop of fire. | They are trained for that, you see. | -- “Bystander”, London magistrate -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to manually install an httpd module? SELinix denial?
Στις 1/7/2012 20:08, ο/η Georgios Petasis έγραψε: Hi all, I am trying to install Apache Rivet under Fedora 17 (http://tcl.apache.org/rivet/static/download.html). Everything seems as expected, except for starting httpd. Httpd does not start, I get an error in apache logs: [Sun Jul 01 20:05:13 2012] [error] (20014)Internal error: mod_rivet: init.tcl must be installed correctly for Apache Rivet to function: can't find package RivetTcl exactly 2.1 (/usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet) Of course file /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl exists: -rw-r--r--. root root system_u:object_r:lib_t:s0 /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl The audit log shows: type=SERVICE_START msg=audit(1341162429.242:416): pid=0 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg=' comm="httpd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed' How to solve this? I thing that I have a selinux denial. How to enable a custom apache module to work? George Problem solved, it was a crash that was happening inside a library apache rivet was loading. Not a selinux or other Fedora problem. George -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 2012/07/01 10:25, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.07.2012 19:23, schrieb John Wendel:
On 07/01/2012 10:11 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.07.2012 19:08, schrieb Joe Zeff:
On 07/01/2012 10:01 AM, John Wendel wrote:
Is it possible to setup Fedora, using Fedora provided tools/software,
with a read-only root partition?
There's an ancient wiki entry from the FC6 days that indicates that some
work was done, but I would assume that this depended on the SysV init
system. I've haven't seen any mention of read-only root setup with systemd.
Any clues would be greatly appreciated.
If I'm not mistaken, /var needs to be on that partition and needs to be
writable.
it is not uncommon to have /var on a own partition
If so, then you can't have a
read-only root partition.
it works, but be really carefull
And, just so we all know where we're going here, why would you want to?
in theory more security
imagine a root-exploit changing a system binary
much more difficult if the rootfs is readonly
Extra security is certainly a plus. My main reason for wanting to run a
read-only root it to avoid wearing out the
consumer grade compact flash card that I'm using as my root device (yes, I'm
cheap)
even if it works - you have ALWAYS to remember remount it rw
on any yum-update - i personally would not do it because
of some hardware
The equivalent is done with live CDs you know.
{^_^}
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Re: Message when running yum update
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:37:41 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > DO YOU IDIOT REALLY NOT REALIZE THAT YOU ARE > POSTING TO A MAILING-LIST SHUT UP! Harald, you've just found a master that manages to drag you further onto the dark side. :-/ To everyone involved in this particular thread, but not limited to that one, please kindly notice (also with regard to posting HTML): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to manually install an httpd module? SELinix denial?
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:08:56 +0300, Georgios Petasis wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to install Apache Rivet under Fedora 17 > (http://tcl.apache.org/rivet/static/download.html). > > Everything seems as expected, except for starting httpd. Httpd does not > start, I get an error in apache logs: > > [Sun Jul 01 20:05:13 2012] [error] (20014)Internal error: mod_rivet: > init.tcl must be installed correctly for Apache Rivet to function: can't > find package RivetTcl exactly 2.1 > (/usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet) > > Of course file /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl exists: > > -rw-r--r--. root root system_u:object_r:lib_t:s0 > /usr/lib64/rivet2.1/site-packages/mod_rivet/init.tcl > > The audit log shows: > > type=SERVICE_START msg=audit(1341162429.242:416): pid=0 uid=0 > auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg=' > comm="httpd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? > res=failed' That's not an SELinux denial, however. > How to solve this? I thing that I have a selinux denial. How to enable a > custom apache module to work? I've seen your other reply meanwhile, but one common way to test whether SELinux is involved somehow is to switch to permissive mode, then try to reproduce the problem. -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.4.4-3.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 1.33 1.21 1.19 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:28:06 -0600, JD wrote: > > # grep subscription-manager /var/log/yum* > > > > might still tell you. > > > > John > > Yes, it came in on June 7th's yum update. > However, looking at my command history ( keep a VERY > large command history just for issues like this), > I see no deliberate install of subscription-manager and it's siblings. > It came with yum update. THAT should not have happened. That would be: subscription-manager-1.0.3-1.fc16 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/subscription-manager However, there's nothing obvious in the package deps that would explain why it would be installed. # repoquery --whatrequires subscription-manager\* subscription-manager-firstboot-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 subscription-manager-firstboot-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 subscription-manager-gnome-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 subscription-manager-gui-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 subscription-manager-migration-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 subscription-manager-migration-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 The package %changelog is crowded with lots of comments on details related to upgrades of the software instead of actual changes to the package. -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.4.4-3.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 0.98 1.19 1.22 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 1 July 2012 15:20, Tim wrote: > On that note, I've often wondered how systems that look at a file's GMT > datestamp and tell you that time translated into your local time, cope > with datestamps from a long way away, when timezone rules keep on > changing. We could maintain a table of rules so that the computer can > correctly give you the times during summer of 1976, but how far back is > the table maintained? Sure, you won't have to read back a timestamp > from the year 1827, but there could be a reason to calculate something > from a known date and time, that's not to do with a computer file. And > there's the converse function. If you had to calculate a date and time > in 2023, would you know what rules would be applied during that year to > do it correctly? Of course it's not a particularly new problem, historians have had to contend with missing (or extra) days and years for a long time. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Message when running yum update
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > That would be: subscription-manager-1.0.3-1.fc16 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/subscription-manager > > However, there's nothing obvious in the package deps that would explain > why it would be installed. > > # repoquery --whatrequires subscription-manager\* > subscription-manager-firstboot-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 > subscription-manager-firstboot-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 > subscription-manager-gnome-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 > subscription-manager-gui-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 > subscription-manager-migration-0:0.99.6-1.fc17.x86_64 > subscription-manager-migration-0:1.0.3-1.fc17.x86_64 > > The package %changelog is crowded with lots of comments on details related > to upgrades of the software instead of actual changes to the package. Well, it's gone and good riddance :) But seriously, I'm tempted to do a whole new install and start over. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 19:28 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote: > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Well you arew almost right. If you hold down thew alt button on Gnome > > yout get poweroff, and reboot. > > Or if you install gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu . > > Hope this helps, > > James. > Installing gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu on my F17 machine does not prevent you from having to use the alt key. -- === It was OK before you touched it. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F17, power switch offers no choices??
Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > Installing gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu on my F17 > machine does not prevent you from having to use the alt key. Did you enable it using gnome-tweak-tool? (By default, extensions are disabled even if installed.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17, power switch offers no choices??
On 1 July 2012 21:46, Andre Robatino wrote: > Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > >> Installing gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu on my F17 >> machine does not prevent you from having to use the alt key. > > Did you enable it using gnome-tweak-tool? (By default, extensions are disabled > even if installed.) > You can install and enable it by going here: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/ and switching it on. It's obvious how to switch it on right? (If it isn't to you, then I'll save you five minutes of searching vainly for instructions and tell you the slider at the top left of that page actually does something.) -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 22:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/01/2012 09:58 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Look forward to hearing how your test without the VPN work out OK - I was able to test inside the building today. Using my Linux (F17) laptop, and getting a DHCP assigned IP address. Ping works to all hosts normally, and I am also able to resolve all DNS host names as expected. RDP sessions still fail however. They either connect and hang after a few seconds, or they simply don't connect at all. It's exactly the same symptoms as when connected via the VPN. Clearly, there's some sort of issue with both gnome-rdp and Reminna. > OK When you say the ping works from the Linux system you are using the IP > address, right? I say that since you say the "hostnames are not resolved". > Are you > expecting the hostnames to be resolved via DNS? Are they actually registered > in the > DNS...or only in the hosts file? > > I ask this since applications will normally resolve hostnames based on the > configuration in /etc/nsswitch.conf. But, the DNS tools like dig and > nslookup ignore > nsswitch.conf and go directly to DNS. > > My nsswitch.conf contains > > hosts: files dns > > and my /etc/hosts file has a line > > 192.168.0.18 nickel nickel.greshko.com > > But nickel is not in the DNS. So, in this case, my nsswitch.conf has files, dns as its entry (which is the default). We're not using local host files for name resolution. Too much work when you have a valid DNS server already handling that for you. I generally only modify /etc/hosts as a last resort. So I think there actually are probably two issues here - one with Network Manager / vpnc, and the other with RDP sessions in general. Again, my Windows clients - both physical systems and VMs - are working just fine from both inside the building and via the VPN. It's specifically Network Manager and gnome-rdp / Reminna that are having issues. Hope that helps a little more! Chris -- Christopher A. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 22:58 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/01/2012 10:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > When you say the ping works from the Linux system you are using the IP > > address, right? > > That was a dumb thing for me to say since I showed you could use the hostname > if you > have it in the hosts file. > > Sue me It is late here in Taiwan. :-) :-) I feel your pain. :-) It's why, when I'm at a restaurant, I usually tell the waiter with the coffee to just start an IV... Chris -- Christopher A. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Alacarte Fedora 17
When applying any changes to the gnome applications menu via alacarte the file - applications.menu, in the directory /home/user-name/.config/menus is modified (by alacarte) but no change to the menu occurs (for example showing or hiding a menu item) To make this work correctly alacarte needs to modify the file applications-gnome.menu to allow items to change in the menu. This requires a simple change to the file MenuEditor.py in the alacarte source code replacing the single occurance of applications.menu with applications-gnome.menu. The best way to do this is to download the source rpm and extract the archive then extract the alacarte source and modify the file and create the new archive to overwrite the old one then use rpmbuild to build a new alacarte rpm module and use yum to reinstall this module. Once done alacarte works ok. One more thing. I upgraded from Fedora 15 to Fedora 17 and am running Fedora on VmWorkstation in Windows. After turning off the forced fallback mode and logging off and back in again gnome 3 works in the normal mode except for 3-D effects. Having got used to the fallback mode this is very different and my first real experience of the new gnome 3 shell. Overall Fedora 17 works fine in VmWorkstation apart from some problems with mouse operations. For example to resize windows I can only use the diagonals not the sides and when using software like the advanced tweak tool menu selections act a little like x-windows menu selections requiring one to press the return key to get the menu to stay. Anybody had similar problems? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On 07/01/2012 02:43 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: It's specifically Network Manager and gnome-rdp / Reminna that are having issues. Do you need NM running, or can you turn it off and use the older network service? My experience with NM has been that unless I need WiFi, I'm better off without it. Even if you normally need it, try using network instead on one box and see if it makes a difference. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Disk troubles - which disk is that - solved
On 01/07/12 23:47, Joseph L. Casale wrote: Also, I seen sd 2:0:0:0: as the disk label, how would you convert that to /dev/sdN disk ? Its the sys interface :) Start with this: ls -al /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/2\:0\:0\:0/block bash-4.2$ ls -la /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/2\:0\:0\:0/block/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x. 3 root root 0 Jul 2 07:36 . drwxr-xr-x. 8 root root 0 Jul 2 07:36 .. drwxr-xr-x. 15 root root 0 Jul 2 07:36 sdc Easy when you know how ! Now to find some hd space to back up to while performing minor desk replacement surgery. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Alacarte Fedora 17
> When applying any changes to the gnome applications menu via alacarte the > file - applications.menu, > in the directory /home/user-name/.config/menus is modified (by alacarte) but > no change to the menu occurs. > (for example showing or hiding a menu item). To make this work correctly > alacarte needs to modify the file > applications-gnome.menu to allow items to change in the menu. This requires > a simple change to the file > MenuEditor.py in the alacarte source code replacing the single occurance of > applications.menu with > applications-gnome.menu. > The best way to do this is to download the source rpm and extract the archive > then extract the alacarte source > and modify the file and create the new archive to overwrite the old one then > use rpmbuild to build a new alacarte > rpm module and use yum to reinstall this module. Once done alacarte works ok. > One more thing. > I upgraded from Fedora 15 to Fedora 17 and am running Fedora on VmWorkstation > in Windows. > After turning off the forced fallback mode and logging off and back in again > gnome 3 works in the normal mode > except for 3-D effects. Having got used to the fallback mode this is very > different and my first real experience of the > new gnome 3 shell. Overall Fedora 17 works fine in VmWorkstation apart from > some problems with mouse operations. > For example to resize windows I can only use the diagonals not the sides and > when using software like the advanced tweak tool > menu selections act a little like x-windows menu selections requiring one to > press the return key to get the menu to stay. > Anybody had similar problems?-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
Hello, I've installed F17 (in a VM) and on first boot, it is not possible to modify any kernel parameters. There appears to be 2 problems: Note: 1. I've never actually logged in to the VM. 2. no updates have been done 3. I've connecting to the VM via tigervnc client Problem 1. = On the very first boot, at the grub 2 to menu, I press 'e' to edit grub, but I cannot move the cursor to the "linux" line because it is always on the wrong position, so you cannot see what you are editing. Problem 2. = Making any changes to the kernel parameter line (locks up grub) and requires a hard boot. I would assume that these basic tests must have been tested as part of Q/A so I must be doing something wrong I know I can boot the machine and manually configure grub2, but the above should work "out of the box" from the first installation of an F17 ISO image. Any suggestions. Thanks. Albert. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On 07/01/2012 11:48 PM, agraham wrote: Hello, I've installed F17 (in a VM) and on first boot, it is not possible to modify any kernel parameters. There appears to be 2 problems: Note: 1. I've never actually logged in to the VM. 2. no updates have been done 3. I've connecting to the VM via tigervnc client Problem 1. = On the very first boot, at the grub 2 to menu, I press 'e' to edit grub, but I cannot move the cursor to the "linux" line because it is always on the wrong position, so you cannot see what you are editing. Problem 2. = Making any changes to the kernel parameter line (locks up grub) and requires a hard boot. I would assume that these basic tests must have been tested as part of Q/A so I must be doing something wrong I know I can boot the machine and manually configure grub2, but the above should work "out of the box" from the first installation of an F17 ISO image. Any suggestions. Thanks. Albert. I've just logged in an did yum update "grub*" and power off and restarted the VM and the _same problem exists_. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: powerdown restarts
On 06/30/2012 04:49:26 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > On 30.06.2012 23:32, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-06-30 at 08:36 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >> On 06/30/2012 03:51:45 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > >>> On 29.06.2012 22:37, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > This problem has been submitted to Bugzilla (836657), but I > thought > >>> I'd > ask here to see if there are any fixes lurking. > > System is running 3.4.3-1.fc17.x86_64. When I systemctl poweroff > >>> the > >>> > kernel reboots instead of powering off. Under Windows 7, power > off > works as expected. All packages are up-to-date. > > Any ideas? > >>> What about shutdown -h ? Does it work as expected? Then try halt > and > >>> poweroff commands. > >> It's my understanding that poweroff is a backwards-compatibility > >> implementation of systemctl poweroff, which I have tried to no > avail. I > >> should have mentioned that. It appears that halt is the same. > shutdown > >> if a link to systemctl. Bottom line is that I would not expect any > of > >> these to be any different, but I live in hope and will report back > if > >> there's any difference. > >> > >> I should also mention that systemctl poweroff works fine on my > laptop > >> running the 32-bit version of Fedora 16. > >> > >> One point, FWIW. Power off is essential for my application. Merely > >> halt-ing is no better than just leaving the system running. > >> > >> Thanks. I don't wish to seem ungrateful -:) > >> > >> > > I disagree with the other posters. There is a magic related to > shutdown > > poweroff and halt. If you look at the man pages you will find that > > shutdown and poweroff have different options. It is clear that when > > systemctl is called under a different name it checks the name and > > potentially reacts differently. For example poweroff by itself will > > shutdown the machine . systemctl called by itself will not. > > If you check source code with is more reliable then any man page > could > ever be, you will find that there really is nothing magical. Please > see > file src/systemctl/systemctl.c in systemd source tree. Commands like > halt, shutdown and power off call the reboot() function. I can agree > that argument to reboot() may change between this calls but it's > still > the same function they're calling. "Read the source, Luke!" Thanks for the suggestion. I followed reboot () through the source and finally got lost in a maze of low-level calls. I did notice that POWEROFF is different from HALT, etc. and that there is code that is specific for 32-bit systems. Finally, it appears that at the bottom of the call tree there is a call to a BIOS function which is relevant, I imagine, although as I mentioned at the outset, Windows 7 does poweroff just fine. All of this is somewhat irrelevant, as it appears that the audio driver (smd_hda_intel) does not support the Ivy Bridge architecture, so powering off is not an issue :-( -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 23:48:32 +0100 agraham wrote: > I've installed F17 (in a VM) and on first boot, it is not possible to > modify any kernel parameters. There appears to be 2 problems: Right you are. There was a bug in grub2: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830843 I don't know if the fix in there has made it to an official update yet or not, but if you manually install that grub2, you also need to re-run grub2-install for it to actually take effect. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
Am 02.07.2012 00:54, schrieb agraham: > On 07/01/2012 11:48 PM, agraham wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I've installed F17 (in a VM) and on first boot, it is not possible to >> modify any kernel parameters. There appears to be 2 problems: >> >> Note: 1. I've never actually logged in to the VM. >> 2. no updates have been done >> 3. I've connecting to the VM via tigervnc client >> >> Problem 1. >> = >> On the very first boot, at the grub 2 to menu, I press 'e' to edit grub, >> but I cannot move the cursor to the "linux" line because it is always on >> the wrong position, so you cannot see what you are editing. >> >> Problem 2. >> = >> Making any changes to the kernel parameter line (locks up grub) and >> requires a hard boot. >> >> I would assume that these basic tests must have been tested as part of >> Q/A so I must be doing something wrong >> >> I know I can boot the machine and manually configure grub2, but the >> above should work "out of the box" from the first installation of an F17 >> ISO image. >> >> >> Any suggestions. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Albert. > > I've just logged in an did yum update "grub*" and power off and restarted the > VM and the _same problem exists_. > Can anyone confirm this? "yum update yum" does not change anything because because it doe snot change grub in the MBR which is the same for RAID1-setup where you have to manually install grub on each drive you have to use grub2-install /dev/sd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:04:27 +0100 Ian Malone wrote: > On 1 July 2012 15:20, Tim wrote: > > > On that note, I've often wondered how systems that look at a file's GMT > > datestamp and tell you that time translated into your local time, cope > > with datestamps from a long way away, when timezone rules keep on > > changing. They don't. Fortunately most people are not worried about the exact day the Tynwald of the Isle of Man adopted GMT and other such trivia Until relatively recently we also had madness like the UK daylight savings change being a human selected date, and it did get moved a couple of times to avoid clashing with major events. For the future 2800 is where the fun really gets going. Is it a leap year - depends which church calendar is used 8) The glibc rules are however pretty good for all times that matter and there are time geeks who love this kind of detail. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 00:57:05 +0100 Alan Cox wrote: > The glibc rules are however pretty good for all times that matter and > there are time geeks who love this kind of detail. And the tzdata rpm shows as size:1837780 so there is a fair amount of data being used by the libraries to try and interpret time correctly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On 07/01/2012 11:57 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 23:48:32 +0100 agraham wrote: I've installed F17 (in a VM) and on first boot, it is not possible to modify any kernel parameters. There appears to be 2 problems: Right you are. There was a bug in grub2: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830843 I don't know if the fix in there has made it to an official update yet or not, but if you manually install that grub2, you also need to re-run grub2-install for it to actually take effect. I thought I would chance taking the easy route, by using updates-testing yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update "grub*" but the version Beta6 there has the same problems :( The link you provided is to src rpms only, but there is a grub2-2.0-0.37.beta6.fc17 in koji. which involves 3 files, http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/grub2/2.0/0.37.beta6.fc17/x86_64/grub2-2.0-0.37.beta6.fc17.x86_64.rpm http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/grub2/2.0/0.37.beta6.fc17/x86_64/grub2-efi-2.0-0.37.beta6.fc17.x86_64.rpm http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/grub2/2.0/0.37.beta6.fc17/x86_64/grub2-tools-2.0-0.37.beta6.fc17.x86_64.rpm After downloading, you cannot simply do yum update grub2*rpm because it looks for grub2-tools, and you cannot 'yum install grub2-tools' because it does not exist! You have to do: yum localinstall grub*rpm then grub2-install /dev/vda1 Which results in this friendly message: root@localhost ~]# grub2-install /dev/vda1 /usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding. /usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. /usr/sbin/grub2-bios-setup: error: will not proceed with blocklists. [root@localhost ~]# After rebooting, (grub menu confirmed Beta6), the SAME problems still exist, it looks like the patches mentioned the bug report are not applied to later versions yet. I read the spec for grub2 and that speaks for itself. Grub2 belong in room 101. We need grub1 back especially for simply set-ups like VMs which have no use for the unusable features in grub2. F17 must be the only linux distribution in history in which you cannot edit kernel parameters from the boot menu. Albert -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 01:42:04 +0100 agraham wrote: > root@localhost ~]# grub2-install /dev/vda1 What? You mean it isn't obvious you need to use the --force option? :-). But actually, inside a virtual machine I'd expect you'd want grub2-install /dev/vda (not vda1) unless you've setup some kind of multi-boot virtual machine. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On 07/01/2012 08:42 PM, agraham wrote: F17 must be the only linux distribution in history in which you cannot edit kernel parameters from the boot menu. I've actually run into this bug, but I found with a little exploration that it's just a misplacement of the cursor. If you let the cursor be a line or so below the "linux" line and hit the "end" key it will "logically" be the right place, but the cursor isn't in the right place, and one *can* change the kernel parameters. grub-2.00-rc1 is in the GNU repo, and it fixes most of the problems. robatino is tracking the development and I hope the rc1 gomes in an update soon. After yumming in the beta6 rpm, don't forget to grub2-install /dev/sd to actually replace the grub2 code on the disk. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury aka redwolfe (proventesters) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On 07/02/2012 01:58 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 01:42:04 +0100 agraham wrote: root@localhost ~]# grub2-install /dev/vda1 What? You mean it isn't obvious you need to use the --force option? :-). Actually, I did try the force option but you cannot force an update for something that does not exist i.e. grub2-tools, so you must first install it, but like I said it said the package did not exist But actually, inside a virtual machine I'd expect you'd want grub2-install /dev/vda (not vda1) unless you've setup some kind of multi-boot virtual machine. So, that could have been the cause of that message about blocklist. I would have never guessed that message actually meant 'please use /dev/vda instead of /dev/vda1'. Thinking about this, grub2 should have automatically detected this condition because /boot was mounted on /dev/vda1 and no other drives exist, anyhow, well spotted. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 2 July 2012 00:57, Alan Cox wrote: >> On 1 July 2012 15:20, Tim wrote: >> >> > On that note, I've often wondered how systems that look at a file's GMT >> > datestamp and tell you that time translated into your local time, cope >> > with datestamps from a long way away, when timezone rules keep on >> > changing. > > They don't. > > Fortunately most people are not worried about the exact day the Tynwald > of the Isle of Man adopted GMT and other such trivia > > Until relatively recently we also had madness like the UK daylight > savings change being a human selected date, and it did get moved a couple > of times to avoid clashing with major events. > > For the future 2800 is where the fun really gets going. Is it a leap year > - depends which church calendar is used 8) > Some people make their own fun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17: iptables logging "--log-prefix" in dmesg?
Reindl Harald wrote: what is this in dmesg? why is "--log-prefix" here loggd instead the --log-prefix from whatever rule it was? --log-prefixIN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:50:8d:b5:cc:de:00:01:5c:24:68:01:08:00 SRC=120.89.73.74 DST=84.113.45.179 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=51 ID=58168 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=39903 DPT=19 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 is this more likely a kernel-bug or rsyslog? Don't see it here unless I make a mistake and type "--log-prefix" twice on the command line. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 07/01/2012 08:42 PM, agraham wrote: F17 must be the only linux distribution in history in which you cannot edit kernel parameters from the boot menu. I've actually run into this bug, but I found with a little exploration that it's just a misplacement of the cursor. If you let the cursor be a line or so below the "linux" line and hit the "end" key it will "logically" be the right place, but the cursor isn't in the right place, and one *can* change the kernel parameters. Exactly so. The problem is a simple (curses?) issue, the edit works fine. grub-2.00-rc1 is in the GNU repo, and it fixes most of the problems. robatino is tracking the development and I hope the rc1 gomes in an update soon. After yumming in the beta6 rpm, don't forget to grub2-install /dev/sd to actually replace the grub2 code on the disk. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
On 07/02/2012 02:01 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 07/01/2012 08:42 PM, agraham wrote: F17 must be the only linux distribution in history in which you cannot edit kernel parameters from the boot menu. I've actually run into this bug, but I found with a little exploration that it's just a misplacement of the cursor. If you let the cursor be a line or so below the "linux" line and hit the "end" key it will "logically" be the right place, but the cursor isn't in the right place, and one *can* change the kernel parameters. One *cannot* because it crashes as I previously mentioned. I could live with the fact that you cannot see what you are editing, but the fact that it crashes when you change anything it the real problem. grub-2.00-rc1 is in the GNU repo, and it fixes most of the problems. robatino is tracking the development and I hope the rc1 gomes in an update soon. After yumming in the beta6 rpm, don't forget to grub2-install /dev/sd to actually replace the grub2 code on the disk. My understanding is that you do not need to do grub2-install /dev/blah, that only does the MBR install, the README.Fedora in the source states: The active boot loader will not be changed when the GRUB 2 package is updated. A new boot loader can be installed with something like: grub2-install /dev/sda Unless I'm misunderstanding this. Albert. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On 07/02/2012 05:43 AM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 22:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/01/2012 09:58 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >> >> Look forward to hearing how your test without the VPN work out > OK - I was able to test inside the building today. Using my Linux (F17) > laptop, and getting a DHCP assigned IP address. Ping works to all hosts > normally, and I am also able to resolve all DNS host names as expected. I hope you recorded what was in your /etc/resolv.conf at that time. Frankly, it is much easier to lend assistance if actual information is given as opposed to words. For example. It really would be beneficial if you'd show something like this [egreshko@meimei ~]$ host meimei meimei.greshko.com has address 192.168.0.18(This is my F16 box) [egreshko@meimei ~]$ host winserv winserv.greshko.com has address 192.168.0.186 (This is my Win2003 server box) [egreshko@meimei ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf # Generated by NetworkManager search greshko.com nameserver 192.168.0.55 [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ping winserv PING winserv.greshko.com (192.168.0.186) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from winserv.greshko.com (192.168.0.186): icmp_req=1 ttl=128 time=0.394 ms [egreshko@meimei ~]$ telnet winserv 3389 Trying 192.168.0.186... Connected to winserv. Escape character is '^]'. So, you can see all of my hosts are resolvable via DNS. I can ping winserv from meimei using the hostname. I can telnet to the winserv on port 3389 I can also tell you that I have installed Window 2003 Server and added the role of "Terminal Server". The Windows 2003 is running in a Virtual Box VM with the VM network adapter *Bridged* to the network adapter of meimei (F16). I used Remmina on meimei and very successfully connected to winserv and got a remote desktop. No problems at all. > > RDP sessions still fail however. They either connect and hang after a > few seconds, or they simply don't connect at all. It's exactly the same > symptoms as when connected via the VPN. Clearly, there's some sort of > issue with both gnome-rdp and Reminna. Unfortunately, I don't have a Window 2008 server at the moment that I could try. However, I don't think there would be much difference between 2003 and 2008. So, I would not jump to any conclusion at the moment. > >> OK When you say the ping works from the Linux system you are using the >> IP >> address, right? I say that since you say the "hostnames are not resolved". >> Are you >> expecting the hostnames to be resolved via DNS? Are they actually >> registered in the >> DNS...or only in the hosts file? >> >> I ask this since applications will normally resolve hostnames based on the >> configuration in /etc/nsswitch.conf. But, the DNS tools like dig and >> nslookup ignore >> nsswitch.conf and go directly to DNS. >> >> My nsswitch.conf contains >> >> hosts: files dns >> >> and my /etc/hosts file has a line >> >> 192.168.0.18 nickel nickel.greshko.com >> >> But nickel is not in the DNS. > So, in this case, my nsswitch.conf has files, dns as its entry (which is > the default). > > We're not using local host files for name resolution. Too much work when > you have a valid DNS server already handling that for you. I generally > only modify /etc/hosts as a last resort. > > So I think there actually are probably two issues here - one with > Network Manager / vpnc, and the other with RDP sessions in general. > Again, my Windows clients - both physical systems and VMs - are working > just fine from both inside the building and via the VPN. It's > specifically Network Manager and gnome-rdp / Reminna that are having > issues. > > Hope that helps a little more! I feel this problem should be worked "locally" first without needed to create a VPN connection. Better to reduce the number of potential blocks. In the mean time, I'm going to try and get a Win2008 server upif I can get the software. But, at the moment, I cannot duplicate your problem. It "works for me". It seems to me, also, that you have 2 issues. DNS resolution when connected via VPN and Remote Desktop Connection. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Trolling (Was: Message when running yum update)
On 07/01/2012 13:14:26 UTC, Reindl Harald sayed: do you not realize that this guy is replying ANY message of me to the list with idiotic bullshit even for threads nobody spoke to him? I don't know why Heinz Diehl seems not to recognize what is happening. I also don't know whether n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 is deliberately trolling you is is just BFC. But the correct response at this stage would not be to keep replying to n2xssvv.g02gfr12930; the correct response would be to contact one or two of the list maintainers https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users> about the matter. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what on earth is firefox up to?
On 06/30/2012 07:17 PM PM, Tom Horsley sayed: Every time I start firefox after recent updates, top shows it periodically taking up to 50% of the CPU even if I'm just looking at a simple page of plain html (no scripts, not even any images) on my local web server. This is ff 13.0.1 on x86_64 fedora 17. Any clues? Anyone see anything similar? Basically the same thing here -- FF 13.0.1 on fedora core 17 x86_64 -- except that CPU usage isn't maxxing at 50%; it sometimes climbs a bit above that. Haven't started my i686 machine to see whether the same behavior occurs thereupon. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 17, not possible to add kernel parameters to GRUB 2
The following is a workaround that allows editing of the kernel parameters, but you have to be careful. At the Grub2 menu, press the 'e' to edit, 1. Move the cursor down to the linux line 2. Move the cursor across the linux line to any "space" and hit "\" then return (i.e create a multi-line \) 3. Repeat step 2 to until you can see the entire kernel line split across multiple lines (terminated with your "\" chars). You can then edit what ever parts of the multi-line you like as normal and press F10 to boot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
On 07/01/2012 12:17 PM, jdow wrote:
[SNIP]
The equivalent is done with live CDs you know.
{^_^}
I think you just supplied the answer! I didn't think of it, but the
equivalent of a live CD is exactly what I need. Now I just need to
figure out how to build a live CD like system, minus the compressed
filesystem stuff and I should be there.
I should have mentioned earlier that this box is going to be a dedicated
media player, with the compact flash drive as it's only disc. I know I
should probably just use openelec or geexbox, but that would take all
the fun out of it. I will try to steal the init system from one of these
dedicated distributions, but I really want to build the system with
Fedora packages as much as possible.
Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge.
John
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Re: Gnome-rdp (re-post)
On 07/02/2012 10:08 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > I can also tell you that I have installed Window 2003 Server and added the > role of > "Terminal Server". The Windows 2003 is running in a Virtual Box VM with the > VM > network adapter *Bridged* to the network adapter of meimei (F16). OK I have installed Windows 2008 Server in a VM. I simply did an "Enable Remote Desktop" from the "Initial Configuration Tasks". I didn't "Add roles" since that seemed not necessary according to the prompts when I started doing that. I only used IP addresses since I didn't want to put that system in my DNS. 192.168.0.184 is the IP address it was assigned via DHCP. [egreshko@meimei ~]$ telnet 192.168.0.184 3389 Trying 192.168.0.184... Connected to 192.168.0.184. Escape character is '^]'. I then used Remmina on my F16 box (meimei) to connect. Everything worked 100%. So, to me, that confirms a configuration issue at your end. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fwd: Systemctl hates mysqld: Fails writing to /tmp
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "R. G. Newbury" > Date: 1 July, 2012 12:50:57 PM EDT > To: Fedora-List > Subject: Systemctl hates mysqld: Fails writing to /tmp > > I am stumped. I have a puzzler which needs the brain-power and knowledge > which hands around here. > > Systemctl on fedora 16 will NOT start mysqld. > > Startup fails with a permissions error, attempting to write to /tmp, which is > chmod 1777, that is, world writeable and readable! There is nothing wrong > with the mysql setup. If I run each command from the command line, mysqld > starts without problem. That is to say: there is nothing wrong with the > mysqld setup. I repeat: there is nothing wrong with the mysqld setup. > > In order to avoid unhelpful responses/questions relating to the many many > many other ways in which one can have mysqld fail to start, I list some of > the sanity checks which I have used to ensure that everything lines up > properly: I have checked my.cnf and use the same command line switches, and > folders and permissions throughout. Everything run as root. Selinux disabled. > And mysqld *will* start properly from the commandline, just NOT by way of > systemctl. > > *** Proof of Setup > # mkdir /var/log/mysqld > mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/log/mysqld': File exists > # chown -R mysql:mysql /var/log/mysqld > # chmod -R 777 /var/log/mysqld > # chown -R mysql:mysql /run/mysqld > # chmod -R 777 /run/mysqld > # chmod -R 1777 /tmp > # killall mysqld > mysqld: no process found > > Replicate mysqld.service commands: > > # /usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir > # /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --nowatch --datadir=/var/lib/mysql > --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock --pid-file=/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid > --basedir=/usr/ --log-error=/var/log/mysqld/mysqld.log > # /usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID > > and mysqld STARTS > # ps -ae | grep mysqld > 20853 pts/300:00:00 mysqld > > At this point, I can use the console mysql client, etc. etc. > So the mysqld setup is correct. But this is not what happens under systemctl > > COMPARE AND CONTRAST *** > # killall mysqld > > # systemctl start mysqld.service > Job failed. See system logs and 'systemctl status' for details. > > *** Edited *** Failure is: > Process: 25762 ExecStartPost=/usr/libexec/mysqld-wait-ready $MAINPID > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > > *** Comment out the exec-post command (which is not supposed to be required) > and reload: > > # systemctl start mysqld.service > > *** Note that it gives no erroras appears above > Yes the service IS disabled atm, because of this testing > # systemctl status mysqld.service > mysqld.service - MySQL database server > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mysqld.service; disabled) > Active: failed since Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:05:22 -0400; 5s ago > Process: 26943 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --nowatch > --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock > --pid-file=/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --basedir=/usr/ > --log-error=/var/log/mysqld/mysqld.log (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) > Process: 26927 ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/mysqld-prepare-db-dir > (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) >Main PID: 27128 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CGroup: name=systemd:/system/mysqld.service > > SO, the operation was a success but the patient died... > > mysqld.log > > First the command line startup and shutdown: > > 120701 12:15:30 mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from > /var/lib/mysql > 120701 12:15:30 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.5 > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Using Linux native AIO > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: highest supported file format is Barracuda. > 120701 12:15:30 InnoDB: Waiting for the background threads to start > 120701 12:15:31 InnoDB: 1.1.8 started; log sequence number 5950198631 > 120701 12:15:31 [Note] Server hostname (bind-address): '127.0.0.1'; port: 3306 > 120701 12:15:31 [Note] - '127.0.0.1' resolves to '127.0.0.1'; > 120701 12:15:31 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '127.0.0.1'. > 120701 12:15:31 [Note] Event Scheduler: Loaded 0 events > 120701 12:15:31 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections. > Version: '5.5.24' socket: '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' port: 3306 MySQL > Community Server (GPL) > 120701 12:16:08 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown > > 120701 12:16:08 [Note] Event Scheduler: Purging the queue. 0 events > 120701 12:16:08 InnoDB: Starting shutdown... > 120701 12:16:09 InnoDB: Shutdown completed; log sequence number 5950198631 > 120701 12:16:09 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete
wodim and audiomaster
The example given in the wodim man page for how to use the audiomaster option in wodim requires that you have 2 drives, one containing the source and one the target media to be written. If you have only one drive, and your all the .inf files for each track and the audio.cddb and audio.cdindex, etc. are in the same dir where the wav files are, how can I then use the -audiomaster option. So far I have tried and it keeps complaining that stdin is a tty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
