Re: Slightly OT

[Frank Murphy]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:07:55 +1100
Roger  wrote:

> 
> Have installed
> libuv-0.9.4-0.1.gitdc559a5.fc19.x86_64.rpm - it requested this as a 
> dependency.
> Have no idea how to get it to install execjs.
> Neither yum nor gem will install it.
> 

This is a problem, it not for Fedora 18,
which is *fc18*.

possible yum distro-sync,
may pull in the proper versions for you?

check before clicking Y\n

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Re: Slightly OT

[Jatin K]

On Friday 18 January 2013 11:37 AM, Roger wrote:

I have a fresh install of Fedora 18.
Trying to get ruby on rails working.

Have latest ruby, have rails and all the gems have bundle, etc and rvm 
everything as I have in Fedora 16.


Issuing the terminal command rails s in the directory I get error:
/home/Me_user/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/gems/execjs-1.4.0/lib/execjs/runtimes.rb:51:in 
`autodetect': Could not find a JavaScript runtime. See 
https://github.com/sstephenson/execjs for a list of available 
runtimes. (ExecJS::RuntimeUnavailable)


Have installed
libuv-0.9.4-0.1.gitdc559a5.fc19.x86_64.rpm - it requested this as a 
dependency.

Have no idea how to get it to install execjs.
Neither yum nor gem will install it.


From google:
"I had the same problem and I fixed it by installing |nodejs| on my 
system independent of the gem."

[root@Me_User-desktop]# yum install nodejs
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
No package nodejs available.
Error: Nothing to do

Have downloaded nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm and tried rpm -ivh 
nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm

[root@Me_user-desktop Downloads]# rpm -ivh nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libhttp_parser.so.2()(64bit) is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
libv8.so.3()(64bit) is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
v8 >= 1:3.13.7.5 is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
v8 < 1:3.14 is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64

So why doesn't yum find the rpm either on the web or after changing to 
/Downloads where I have the .rpm is located and handle the 
dependencies as it has done with all other installs to date.



Bit stuck on this and would appreciate help please.
Thanks in advance
Roger


have you tried  "yum localinstall your-package.rpm"... it will resolve 
the dependencies automatically


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Slightly OT

[Roger]

I have a fresh install of Fedora 18.
Trying to get ruby on rails working.

Have latest ruby, have rails and all the gems have bundle, etc and rvm 
everything as I have in Fedora 16.


Issuing the terminal command rails s in the directory I get error:
/home/Me_user/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/gems/execjs-1.4.0/lib/execjs/runtimes.rb:51:in 
`autodetect': Could not find a JavaScript runtime. See 
https://github.com/sstephenson/execjs for a list of available runtimes. 
(ExecJS::RuntimeUnavailable)


Have installed
libuv-0.9.4-0.1.gitdc559a5.fc19.x86_64.rpm - it requested this as a 
dependency.

Have no idea how to get it to install execjs.
Neither yum nor gem will install it.


From google:
"I had the same problem and I fixed it by installing |nodejs| on my 
system independent of the gem."

[root@Me_User-desktop]# yum install nodejs
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
No package nodejs available.
Error: Nothing to do

Have downloaded nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm and tried rpm -ivh 
nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm

[root@Me_user-desktop Downloads]# rpm -ivh nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libhttp_parser.so.2()(64bit) is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
libv8.so.3()(64bit) is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
v8 >= 1:3.13.7.5 is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64
v8 < 1:3.14 is needed by nodejs-0.9.5-9.fc18.x86_64

So why doesn't yum find the rpm either on the web or after changing to 
/Downloads where I have the .rpm is located and handle the dependencies 
as it has done with all other installs to date.



Bit stuck on this and would appreciate help please.
Thanks in advance
Roger
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Re: fail2ban questions

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 08:16:18PM -0500, Alex wrote:
> I have an fc17 install with a few fail2ban jail entries such as this:
> [ssh-iptables]
> enabled  = true
> filter   = sshd
> action   = iptables[name=SSH, port=ssh, protocol=tcp]
>sendmail-whois[name=SSH, dest=myu...@mydomain.com,
> sender=d...@mydomain.com]
> logpath  = /var/log/secure
> maxretry = 5
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a man page for this, and I can't really find
> any local configuration documentation. How can I keep the rule enabled
> but not have it send an email for every IP that it blocks? Is the only
> way to delete the dest= and sender= options?

Remove the sendmail-whois action entirely, leaving the iptables one.


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any foss bitmap editor which can do this?

[Fernando Cassia]

Is there any FOSS bitmap editor with a command line, allowing me to
experiment with, for instance, the circle drawing function and specify
the circle´s position on screen, and size (radius)?.

Suppose you need to take a given bitmap, and draw over it 40 circles,
spaced "x" pixels apart, starting at positions x,y for the first
circle, and make it antialiased and 2 px wide, with -for instance- a
50 px radius each.

Of course doing this by hand, using the mouse pointer, is very
difficult, so I need something that lets me manually specify the
coordinates and starting position for each circle drawn.

I´ve got GIMP-phobia so please don´t tell me GIMP. ;) I´m looking for
something like Paint Shop Pro on the windows world (which is what I
normally use for bitmap editing, under WINE), or, well, Deluxe Paint
on the Amiga. ;-)

Any suggestions? TIA
FC

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Reindl Harald]

Am 18.01.2013 00:59, schrieb Wolfgang S. Rupprecht:
>> Yes, happened to me.  Its a Plymouth bug, I think.  Caused by hitting
>> ESC before Plymouth is ready for you to. :)
> 
> Ah.  That make sense.  Thanks!  That laptop is one of the two computers
> here that still have "rhgb quiet" appended to the boot lines.  I did hit
>  to see what is going on.

and that is why in my opinion "rhgb quiet" is a dumb default

you should never hit anything to see what is
going on with a proper free operating system



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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> I'd say you need to install the mate-session-manager package:

Shouldn´t mate-desktop be a meta-package that install everything else
needed for smooth operation (including mate-session-manager) ??

#justsaying

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fail2ban questions

[Alex]

Hi,

I have an fc17 install with a few fail2ban jail entries such as this:

[ssh-iptables]

enabled  = true
filter   = sshd
action   = iptables[name=SSH, port=ssh, protocol=tcp]
   sendmail-whois[name=SSH, dest=myu...@mydomain.com,
sender=d...@mydomain.com]
logpath  = /var/log/secure
maxretry = 5

There doesn't seem to be a man page for this, and I can't really find
any local configuration documentation. How can I keep the rule enabled
but not have it send an email for every IP that it blocks? Is the only
way to delete the dest= and sender= options?

Thanks,
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Re: Testing

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:34:09 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:

> As said just a test!

:-(

That's an opportunity for a netiquette reminder:

Instead of sending meaningless test messages to a mailing-list with
thousands of subscribers, one preferably performs such a test in a
different and smarter way: 
 (1) If you want to ensure you receive messages, you simply wait patiently
while visiting the archives to check whether there is activity on the list.
 (2) If you want to ensure that a future message from you will be accepted
by the list, prepare and send the _real_ message text instead of a test
message.

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Testing

[Mike Dwiggins]

As said just a test!

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Phil Meyer  writes:
> On 01/17/2013 02:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>> One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
>> is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
>> boot environment.
>>
>> Has anyone seen this before?  Is there a fix or do I have to do a
>> wipe/reinstall from some other source?
>>
>> -wolfgang
>
>
> Yes, happened to me.  Its a Plymouth bug, I think.  Caused by hitting
> ESC before Plymouth is ready for you to. :)

Ah.  That make sense.  Thanks!  That laptop is one of the two computers
here that still have "rhgb quiet" appended to the boot lines.  I did hit
 to see what is going on.

-wolfgang
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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Ian Malone]

On 17 January 2013 20:52, Tim  wrote:
> Michael Schwendt:
 There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.
>
> Tim:
>>> There isn't.  Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you
>>> a desktop choice.
>
> Suvayu Ali
>> If you are using gdm, there should be one.
>
> Oh no there isn't (panto voice)...  Seriously, there is absolutely
> nothing to let me pick desktops.
>

Oh yes th... hang on, panto season's over.
In F17 I don't get the session chooser unless there are alternative
desktops available[1]. I think it's the GDM login I've got, but could
be wrong. Michael Schwendt's comment could be the package that
registers Mate.

[1] As in, when I installed KDE to test some things I got the session
drop-down during log in, but having removed it again I don't have the
option anymore.

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Phil Meyer]

On 01/17/2013 02:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
boot environment.

Has anyone seen this before?  Is there a fix or do I have to do a
wipe/reinstall from some other source?

-wolfgang



Yes, happened to me.  Its a Plymouth bug, I think.  Caused by hitting 
ESC before Plymouth is ready for you to. :)


Also, if you let it go and watch the progress bar move for a bit, hit 
ESC, then hit ESC again to go back, the progress bar resets and does not 
ever progress any more. :)

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F18, Gnome: displays failing to span

[Dave Mitchell]

I have a new laptop that I've just installed F18 on. I've plugged an
external VGA monitor in, and used System Settings / Displays to 
position the external screen above the laptop screen. This works as far as
the mouse is concerned: I can move the cursor above the top of the laptop
LCD and it appears near the bottom of the external LCD. However, I can't
open any windows in, or move any windows to the top external LCD.

When dragging a window using the title bar, the window stops moving as
soon as the window's title bar hits the black gnome top bar at the top of
the laptop screen, even though the mouse continues into the external
screen above.

When dragging a window using Super + left mouse, I can drag a window about
80% into the top screen, but it bounces back as soon as the mouse is
released.

Within gnome shell, I can drag windows to the top screen, but again they
bounce back when the mouse is released.

Here's a bit of ASCII art of my layout:

  ++
  ||
  |   1920 x 1080  |
  |   external LCD |
  ||
  |(empty) |
  +--- +
  
  ++
  | Activities   dateicons |
  ++
  ||
  |   1920 x 1080  |
  |   laptop LCD   |
  ||
  |(lots of windows)   |
  ++


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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 01:06:28PM -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
> is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
> boot environment.

I think that's what it does when it's working.

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/17/2013 02:36 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

Not in the long run.  There was some initially, but after a few seconds
it stopped.  I let the installer run for half an hour or so, but all it
did was print stars and run the fan at high speed doing its best
hairdryer imitation.


Thank you.  There was the possibility that the program was printing the 
stars to show that it wasn't hung, but I guess not.

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/17/2013 01:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> > One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
> > is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
> > boot environment.
> >
> > Has anyone seen this before?  Is there a fix or do I have to do a
> > wipe/reinstall from some other source?
> 
> I must admit that your subject line gave me a major Stanley Kubrick 
> moment.  Are there any signs of disk activity or is this all that happens?

Arthur C. Clarke moment in fact. "It's full of stars" is from the book
of 2001, not the movie. Also, the Discovery goes to Saturn, not Jupiter,
but Kubrick thought Saturn's rings would be too hard to film. Just
thought I'd throw that in :-)

poc

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:22:23 +1030, Tim wrote:

> Is there anybody using F17 with mate that can see if they have the same
> packages that I listed before?  Is something extra needed before you get
> a choice?
> 
> 
> 
> [tim@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa \*mate\*
> mate-conf-1.4.0-21.fc17.x86_64
> mate-corba-1.4.0-9.fc17.x86_64
> mate-desktop-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64
> mate-desktop-libs-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64

I'd say you need to install the mate-session-manager package:

$ repoquery --whatprovides /usr/share/xsessions/\*.desktop|wc -l
70

$ repoquery --whatprovides /usr/share/xsessions/\*.desktop|grep mate
mate-session-manager-0:1.5.0-1.fc18.x86_64
mate-session-manager-0:1.5.0-2.fc18.x86_64

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Joe Zeff  writes:
> I must admit that your subject line gave me a major Stanley Kubrick
> moment. 

;-)

I had to get people to read the msg.

> Are there any signs of disk activity or is this all that happens?

Not in the long run.  There was some initially, but after a few seconds
it stopped.  I let the installer run for half an hour or so, but all it
did was print stars and run the fan at high speed doing its best
hairdryer imitation.

I'm running fedup from f17 again.  The fedup directory in /var/tmp seems
to be gone now.  There is a small chance that a local shell script which
cleans /var/tmp was to blame.  (It didn't effect the other 4 machines I
updated with fedup, so I'm not entirely sure what was going on.)  I'll
report back whenever the fedup install gets to the point of trying a
reboot again.

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Re: fedup: it's full of stars

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/17/2013 01:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
boot environment.

Has anyone seen this before?  Is there a fix or do I have to do a
wipe/reinstall from some other source?


I must admit that your subject line gave me a major Stanley Kubrick 
moment.  Are there any signs of disk activity or is this all that happens?

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Re: Tor and Tor Browser repository for Fedora 17 and 18

[Jamie Nguyen]

Anton Stiles:
> thanks for these packages. how about update to most recent firefox?

Tor Browser is based on Firefox 10 ESR. It's likely that the Tor Project
will update Tor Browser to Firefox 17 ESR some time in the near future.
When that happens then I'll update the RPM packages.


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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]

[Tim]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> And yet you tempt us with another acronym :-)
>  
> (I just figured out you meant Gin and Tonic. It's usually spelt G&T
> where I come from).

Here, GT is a car.  Holden GT.

;-)

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Re: Installer inadequacies

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:03:10 -0500
David A. De Graaf wrote:

> What a disaster!  What were they thinking when they threw away a
> perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?

Well, it did lead me to invent a brand new way to install
fedora, so it was good for something :-).

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/f18-install.html
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fedup: it's full of stars

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64
is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup
boot environment.

Has anyone seen this before?  Is there a fix or do I have to do a
wipe/reinstall from some other source? 

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Installer inadequacies

[David A. De Graaf]

Fedora 18.

What a disaster!  What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Whoever decided to reinvent disk partitioning and embed it in this
installer should be taken out to the woodshed and whupped.  Has
everyone forgotten the dictum that each program should do one thing
and do it well?  Reinventing disk partitioning here is a total disaster.
It isn't nearly as good as fdisk, gparted and a host of other perfectly
usable programs.

I have been unable to use my existing partitions as I wish.
I have a pretty simple laptop configuration:
  /dev/sda1/boot.5 GB
  /dev/sda2Windows 3.7 GB
  /dev/sda3extended
   /dev/sda5   /  20. GB encrypted
   /dev/sda6   /f16   20. GB encrypted
   /dev/sda7   /home 109. GB encrypted
   /dev/sda8   swap1.5 GBencrypted

Note that /boot is not encrypted but all the other Linux partitions
are.  There are two root partitions that I use in a ping-pong fashion
to hold the latest and prior Fedora systems.  The boot menu allows
either kernel to be booted, which used to be easy with grub, but has
become nightmarishly difficult with grub2.  Either kernel uses the
same /home and swap.

Installing F18, I intended to switch /dev/sda6 to /, and save
/dev/sda5 as /f17.  But the installer wouldn't allow it.



I will repeat here the setup and selection process to document the
failures.


When I entered the Storage/Installation Destination (with no disks
selected) I selected the sole disk available for installation, an ATA
WDC WD1600BEVE-1, and a big blue area became highlighted.
I checked the box saying "Encrypt my data, I'll set a passphrase
later.".  Then clicked on "Full disk summary and options...".
This showed a box listing the one and only disk, and informed me that
of the 152.62 GB capacity, only 1.89 MB was free space.  That was
correct;  the disk was fully partitioned and previously allocated to
appropriate uses.  I clicked on "Set as Boot Device" just to be sure...
then Close.

There was nothing left to click on except Continue, so I Continued.

A warning presented:  I needed 3.36 GB to install Fedora but there's
only 276 MB free.  But there's 152.62 GB Space in selected disks
reclaimable by deleting (!) partitions.

Well thats nice, but I don't want to delete any partitions.  
My existing partitions are fine; I just want to reuse one of them!
So now what?

There are three checkable boxes:
  Cancel & add more disks   (Not likely; it's a laptop)
  Modify software selection (I haven't even selected any yet)
  Reclaim space (Not appealing, but its all that's left) 
But I'll check the box:  "I don't need help; let me customize disk
partitioning.".  That sounds like exactly what I want.

I'm asked to enter a passphrase for my encrypted disks.  (I'd better
type this carefully, to match what's already in use.)

I'm now presented with a list of existing filesystems that I can
remove to free up space.  However, they are not identified either by
partition name (/dev/sda1) or current role (/boot).  I have two
identically sized root partitions, /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6.  One contains
the old F16 that I want to discard; the other F17 that I want to keep.
Should I guess?  50:50 chance?  Right?  I have to guess.

I highlight one and mark it for deletion.  Then click "Reclaim space".

(BTW, I have no way to  know exactly when this deletion will occur.
I'm repeating this exercise to record this disastrous experience, intending
to stop just before committing the changes.  I'll be really pissed if
I lose my mostly completed new F18 installation.)

Surprise!  I'm popped back to the main menu.  The "Installation
Destination" item has no warning icon, so the installer seems perfectly
happy with the 20 GB space I've just freed up.  But it has never
bothered to ask me which other partitions are to be used for /boot,
/home, swap, or the old /f17.  Apparently, it has decided, in its
wisdom, to put the whole F18 installation into that 20 GB partition.

Unbelievable!

I can't allow that.  So, back to the main menu, where I notice it says
"Use automatic partitioning", or the like.

I recall my previous encounter with this "logic tree" was very different.
Perhaps I had chosen some sort of manual partitioning.  Let's try
that.

Oh, the machine's frozen up and is unresponsive.  CTL-ALT-DEL to start
over...Didn't work.  CTL-ALT-F2 gives a prompt, then 'reboot'.


Ok, 2nd try.  (Actually, 5th try)
This time, I'll do Software Selection first, and pick Xfce and its
add-ons (to retain my sanity).  OK.  That's done.

Now, back to Installation Destination.
Pick the sole ATA disk, select Encrypt my data, view the "Full disk
summary", and set it as the Boot Device.  Continue.

Warning:  Not enough space.  This time, check "I don't need help,
let me customize disk partitioning".  Click "Reclaim Space".

Ah, now I see the Manual Partitioning page that I'd seen befo

Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Tim]

Bob Goodwin:
> I also prefer Deja vu sans mono because I can easily differentiate
> between I, 1, and l.

It seriously irks me when computers use fonts that don't allow that.
It's absolutely essential to be able to use, and see, the correct
characters on a computer.  You can't use the wrong ones, it just doesn't
work.

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Tim]

Michael Schwendt:
>>> There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.

Tim:
>> There isn't.  Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you
>> a desktop choice.

Suvayu Ali
> If you are using gdm, there should be one.

Oh no there isn't (panto voice)...  Seriously, there is absolutely
nothing to let me pick desktops.

Is there anybody using F17 with mate that can see if they have the same
packages that I listed before?  Is something extra needed before you get
a choice?



[tim@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa \*mate\*
mate-conf-1.4.0-21.fc17.x86_64
mate-corba-1.4.0-9.fc17.x86_64
mate-desktop-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64
mate-desktop-libs-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64



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Re: Tor and Tor Browser repository for Fedora 17 and 18

[Anton Stiles]

thanks for these packages. how about update to most recent firefox?

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 20:33 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:55:53 +1030, Tim wrote:
> 
> > Tim:
> > >> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
> > >> Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.
> > 
> > Michael Schwendt:
> > > There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.
> > 
> > There isn't.  
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
> 
> > Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you a
> > desktop choice.
> > 
> > I've seen that kind of option (either in a taskbar, or within the logon
> > box), and used it, on other releases, but it's nowhere to be seen on my
> > Fedora 17 install.
> 
> Although this thread is about F18, GDM with F17 shows the "Session"
> selector field in the same way as F18. Once you choose the user to
> log in, the field appears below the password box.
> 
> I've used it frequently with F17 to switch between GNOME and Openbox
> (yum -y install openbox).

Just for completeness: you can also use KDM with similar functionality.

poc

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:55:53 +1030, Tim wrote:

> Tim:
> >> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
> >> Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.
> 
> Michael Schwendt:
> > There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.
> 
> There isn't.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

> Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you a
> desktop choice.
> 
> I've seen that kind of option (either in a taskbar, or within the logon
> box), and used it, on other releases, but it's nowhere to be seen on my
> Fedora 17 install.

Although this thread is about F18, GDM with F17 shows the "Session"
selector field in the same way as F18. Once you choose the user to
log in, the field appears below the password box.

I've used it frequently with F17 to switch between GNOME and Openbox
(yum -y install openbox).
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Re: Tor and Tor Browser repository for Fedora 17 and 18

[Jamie Nguyen]

Gene Czarcinski:
> Your packages need more work (at least on F18).  Those to.service files
> you stuck under /usr/lib/systemd/system/ are old "init.d" scripts and
> not systemd.  They do not work.  That also says that not much testing
> was done.

Oops! That was unfortunate. Not actually sure how that happened as I've
been using these packages for months.

Anyway, fixed and thanks very much for reporting.


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Re: Tor and Tor Browser repository for Fedora 17 and 18

[Gene Czarcinski]

On 01/17/2013 12:21 PM, Jamie Nguyen wrote:

Hi, I'm the maintainer for Tor package on Fedora EPEL.

I've set-up a (GPG signed) repository for Fedora 17 and 18 with Tor
Browser RPM packages. It optionally includes SELinux protection for the
Tor Browser. (Tor client/server already has SELinux protection on Fedora.)

wget https://jamielinux.com/pub/jamielinux-tor-release.noarch.rpm
yum install ./jamielinux-tor-release.noarch.rpm
yum install tor tor-browser tor-browser-selinux

More info here:
https://jamielinux.com/articles/2013/01/tor-and-tor-browser-repository-on-fedora/


Your packages need more work (at least on F18).  Those to.service files 
you stuck under /usr/lib/systemd/system/ are old "init.d" scripts and 
not systemd.  They do not work.  That also says that not much testing 
was done.


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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Mark Eggers]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:39:37 +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:55:53PM +1030, Tim wrote:
>> Tim:
>> >> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on Fedora to
>> >> let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.
>> 
>> Michael Schwendt:
>> > There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.
>> 
>> There isn't.  Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you a
>> desktop choice.
>> 
>> I've seen that kind of option (either in a taskbar, or within the logon
>> box), and used it, on other releases, but it's nowhere to be seen on my
>> Fedora 17 install.
>> 
>> 
> If you are using gdm, there should be one.  It is difficult to get a
> screenshot before logging in, otherwise I could try showing.
> 
> --
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> 
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.

On F17 and F18, the option to choose which WM you want doesn't come up 
until after you click on a user's name. Then there's a little drop-down 
menu called Session that appears. You should see all of your options 
there, with the one you last used selected (dot next to the entry).

. . . . just my two cents
/mde/

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Re: fedup -> httpd error

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.01.2013 19:16, schrieb Steven Stern:
>> you missed that F18 comes with Apache 2.4 which is a major
>> upgrade after around 7 years since 2.2 and should be well
>> tested and prepared on staging machines
>>
> No, I saw it... I just didn't quite know what got removed and replaced.
>  I have now learned that httpd.conf should be kept as vanilla as
> possible. I've separated out the changes I need in
> /etc/httpd/conf.d/localchanges.conf. So, in the future, I'll need to
> give minimal concern to httpd.conf and can just swap it with
> httpd.conf.rpmnew if things break.

finally it makes no difference :-)

changes like "Require User username" must now be "Require user username"
and replacement of modules or change of which functionality is included
in the default configuration will always break stuff

i had the fun on tuesday on the first testmachine and now working
on the fun of BC incompatible changes of PHP 5.4 which i luckily
did hold back for F17 on all of my machines and rebuilt still 5.3



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Re: fedup -> httpd error

[Steven Stern]

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On 01/17/2013 11:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 17.01.2013 17:51, schrieb Steven Stern:
>> Follow fedup, httpd no longer starts
>>
>> ..
>>
>> # httpd -S
>> httpd: Syntax error on line 199 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
>> load modules/mod_disk_cache.so into server:
>> /etc/httpd/modules/mod_disk_cache.so: cannot open shared object file: No
>> such file or directory
>>
>> sudo yum whatprovides  comes up empty for the auth* and mod_disc_cache
>> modules.
>>
>> yum install mod_ldap
>> Solution is to build a new httpd.conf from httpd.conf.rpmnew.  Yuck.
> 
> you missed that F18 comes with Apache 2.4 which is a major
> upgrade after around 7 years since 2.2 and should be well
> tested and prepared on staging machines
> 
No, I saw it... I just didn't quite know what got removed and replaced.
 I have now learned that httpd.conf should be kept as vanilla as
possible. I've separated out the changes I need in
/etc/httpd/conf.d/localchanges.conf. So, in the future, I'll need to
give minimal concern to httpd.conf and can just swap it with
httpd.conf.rpmnew if things break.
> 
> 


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Tor and Tor Browser repository for Fedora 17 and 18

[Jamie Nguyen]

Hi, I'm the maintainer for Tor package on Fedora EPEL.

I've set-up a (GPG signed) repository for Fedora 17 and 18 with Tor
Browser RPM packages. It optionally includes SELinux protection for the
Tor Browser. (Tor client/server already has SELinux protection on Fedora.)

wget https://jamielinux.com/pub/jamielinux-tor-release.noarch.rpm
yum install ./jamielinux-tor-release.noarch.rpm
yum install tor tor-browser tor-browser-selinux

More info here:
https://jamielinux.com/articles/2013/01/tor-and-tor-browser-repository-on-fedora/


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Re: chrome on f18 (fix)

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 01/17/2013 03:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 22:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

I noticed that during the erase action, yum showed the repo as
"@google-chrome/17", but during the install it shows as

"google-chrome".

The Chrome versions are exactly the same, so as you say there is

clearly

some magic happening during the install which is different from F17

to

F18.


FWIW: The magic is in google-chrome-stable's %postinstall scriptlet:

# rpm -q --scripts google-chrome-stable

# Fedora 18 now has libudev.so.1. http://crbug.com/145160
LIBUDEV_0=libudev.so.0
LIBUDEV_1=libudev.so.1

add_udev_symlinks() {
  get_lib_dir
  if [ -f "/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_0" -o -f "/usr/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_0" ]; then
return 0
  fi

  if [ -f "/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_1" ]; then
ln -snf "/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_1" "/opt/google/chrome/$LIBUDEV_0"
  elif [ -f "/usr/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_1" ];
  then
ln -snf "/usr/$LIBDIR/$LIBUDEV_1" "/opt/google/chrome/$LIBUDEV_0"
  else
echo "$LIBUDEV_1" not found in "$LIBDIR" or "/usr/$LIBDIR".
exit 1
  fi
}
...

It's a really dirty hack, but they seem to believe it's sufficient.

Also, they have a similar hack for libbz2.so.* in there.

Ralf

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Re: fedup -> httpd error

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.01.2013 17:51, schrieb Steven Stern:
> Follow fedup, httpd no longer starts
> 
> ..
>
> # httpd -S
> httpd: Syntax error on line 199 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
> load modules/mod_disk_cache.so into server:
> /etc/httpd/modules/mod_disk_cache.so: cannot open shared object file: No
> such file or directory
> 
> sudo yum whatprovides  comes up empty for the auth* and mod_disc_cache
> modules.
> 
> yum install mod_ldap
> Solution is to build a new httpd.conf from httpd.conf.rpmnew.  Yuck.

you missed that F18 comes with Apache 2.4 which is a major
upgrade after around 7 years since 2.2 and should be well
tested and prepared on staging machines



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Re: Fedora 18 not mounting USB drives.

[Johan Scheepers]

On 17/01/2013 10:24, Jorge Martínez López wrote:

Hello,


2013/1/16 Johan Scheepers >


Good day,

When I boot and login I get a udisks have a problem.
Kindly please : how to fix this.


First of all please let us know the exact text of the message you get.

The last lines of /var/log/messages right after inserting the USB disk 
also help.


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The exact message is a problem the display is very short lived..
I am running my OS on an external usb drive. It has 4 partitions + the 
system partition.
These 4 partitions is not mounted. (no internal drive connected - I run 
various linux flavors on separate usb external drives)


The message something like this " udisk a problem in pakage udsik-xx.

This udisk message is immediate after login while the icons start 
displaying. If I then should pop in my * * backup * usb drive then also 
just nothing happens - no messages - just no partitions show on open 
"files" icon. This happens while still booting/logging in.

On gparted all partitions and drives show up.
Thanks
JohanS

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fedup -> httpd error

[Steven Stern]

Follow fedup, httpd no longer starts

# httpd -S
httpd: Syntax error on line 153 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
load modules/mod_authn_alias.so into server:
/etc/httpd/modules/mod_authn_alias.so: cannot open shared object file:
No such file or directory

# httpd -S
httpd: Syntax error on line 156 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
load modules/mod_authn_default.so into server:
/etc/httpd/modules/mod_authn_default.so: cannot open shared object file:
No such file or directory

# httpd -S
httpd: Syntax error on line 162 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
load modules/mod_authz_default.so into server:
/etc/httpd/modules/mod_authz_default.so: cannot open shared object file:
No such file or directory

# httpd -S
httpd: Syntax error on line 163 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
load modules/mod_ldap.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ldap.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

# httpd -S
httpd: Syntax error on line 199 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot
load modules/mod_disk_cache.so into server:
/etc/httpd/modules/mod_disk_cache.so: cannot open shared object file: No
such file or directory


sudo yum whatprovides  comes up empty for the auth* and mod_disc_cache
modules.

yum install mod_ldap

Solution is to build a new httpd.conf from httpd.conf.rpmnew.  Yuck.

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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.01.2013 17:29, schrieb Mark Eggers:
> One thing I did notice is that I'm running grub2-2.00-15.fc18.x86_64 (at 
> least that's what RPM says) and I get the grub 2.00~beta4 screen on boot. 
> Do I need to reinstall grub2?

yes, as also if your /boot is RAID1 you have to take
care by yourself that GRUB is installed on all drives

at updates grub is NEVER installed automatically and this
is good - it would break many setups all over the time



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Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 17/01/13 10:38, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I have gone through the same issue on a mouse-less, old synaptics 
touchpad-only system (no gestures, no multi-tap).


In my case, something during the upgrade to f17 has changed xfce's 
"Appearance/Style" to using "Adwaita"-style. This style lacks "arrows" 
on scrollbars and therefore hardly usable in scenarios like yours or 
mine.


Changing "Appearance/Style" to a different "style" through
"Application Menu"->"Settings"->"Appearance"->"Style"
brought back the "arrows".

Ralf


   That seems to make scrolling through the e-mail list manageable
   again as long as I disable the "New Scroll Bars addon" to
   Thunderbird. That addon allows increasing the size, etc. But I can
   do without that.

   Thank you for the tip.





P.S.: I am facing other issues with Gtk/Gnome based packages under 
xfwm, esp. gnome-terminal, e.g.
- gnome-terminal seems to use black letters on black background by 
default.
- changing the "style" as described above lets open gnome-terminals 
shrink and sometimes hang.


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   I probably would not notice this since I always reconfigure the
   terminal appearance for a larger white font on a black background
   which works better for my aging eyesight. I also prefer Deja vu sans
   mono because I can easily differentiate between I, 1, and l.

   Again thanks,

   Bob


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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Mark Eggers]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:26:33 -0500, Luan Minh Pham wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 09:42:37 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > I would recommend not to use fedup.  I'm facing a lot of troubles
>> > after going the fedup route.  Although not officially supported, you
>> > could try upgrading via yum.  It has been reliably working for people
>> > across multiple releases.
>> 
>> It would be very helpful if you could report those troubles. Otherwise,
>> it's hard to make it better.
> 
> For one Fedup doesn't download all the package it need, so in middle of
> the upgrade system reboot.   I could not even login to KDE desktop.  So
> I had to go to failsafe mode to finish the updatge.

I ran into that problem, but in retrospect I should have expected it.

I ran fedup against the install ISO since I have a laptop with only 
wireless right now. I didn't want to take a chance and lose wireless 
connectivity during the update.

KDE was pretty borked after the initial update. Doing yum distro-sync 
fixed that.

I had to manually update the rpmfusion repositories by using the command 
line procedure given on the rpmfusion web site.

After rebooting (new kernel), I had a bunch of 32 bit updates to do (on a 
64 bit machine - running Skype).

Once I did all of that, everything was happily up and running (almost).

Moving from httpd 2.2 to httpd 2.4 created some problems, but then again 
that's not a fedup issue. Recompiled a few modules, reworked the 
configuration, and all was good.

VNC no longer works, but in retrospect this is expected. Gnome and KDE I 
guess now require 3D acceleration, which means I'll install Mate, LXDE, or 
XFCE for VNC. Yeah, I know - VNC to a laptop?? Most of the time I ssh in 
from my desktop.

One thing I did notice is that I'm running grub2-2.00-15.fc18.x86_64 (at 
least that's what RPM says) and I get the grub 2.00~beta4 screen on boot. 
Do I need to reinstall grub2?

One last thing - the new Gnome 3.6 screen saver on the login panel is a 
real pain with a laptop and a touch pad.

. . . . just my two cents
/mde/

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Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 01/16/2013 09:54 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:



Something has happened to the ability to scroll smoothly in
Thunderbird since upgrading two computers to F-18/64/XFCE. In the
past there has been a spot at the top and bottom of the scroll bar
where you could increment the scroll gradually. That is no longer
there in Thunderbird or Firefox. In the case of one directory in
Thunderbird where I have 6400 e-mail messages I can scroll using the
button but moving it about 5cm on the screen goes through all 6400
messages in the list, hardly fine grained!

This computer was upgraded from F-17 via "fedup' while the other one
was simply yum updated from F-18 beta. Both have the same scrolling
affliction.

Have I done something wrong?
I have gone through the same issue on a mouse-less, old synaptics 
touchpad-only system (no gestures, no multi-tap).


In my case, something during the upgrade to f17 has changed xfce's 
"Appearance/Style" to using "Adwaita"-style. This style lacks "arrows" 
on scrollbars and therefore hardly usable in scenarios like yours or mine.


Changing "Appearance/Style" to a different "style" through
"Application Menu"->"Settings"->"Appearance"->"Style"
brought back the "arrows".

Ralf


P.S.: I am facing other issues with Gtk/Gnome based packages under xfwm, 
esp. gnome-terminal, e.g.

- gnome-terminal seems to use black letters on black background by default.
- changing the "style" as described above lets open gnome-terminals 
shrink and sometimes hang.


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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/16/2013 11:12 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 01/16/2013 12:05 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I remember reading that F18 includes both Gnome 3.x and also Gnome 2.x
renamed MATE desktop?


More or less. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2.

Fedora also includes Cinnamon, now, which is an alternate shell based 
on GNOME 3, but with a more traditional panel and menu interface.



I am actually enjoying Gnome 3.* on F17I hope it's not too altered 
in F 18...



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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/16/2013 08:59 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:41:41AM +, Phil Dobbin wrote:

Hi, all.

I've been watching the developments regarding everybody trying to
upgrade via FedUp & can anyone advise me whether issuing:

'sudo fedup-cli —network 18 —debuglog fedupdebug.log'

is still the recommended way to approach the upgrade?

I'm running a rock solid Fedora 17 with all updates applied & intend to
disable any extra repos that I have personally added to sources by hand.

I would recommend not to use fedup.  I'm facing a lot of troubles after
going the fedup route.  Although not officially supported, you could try
upgrading via yum.  It has been reliably working for people across
multiple releases.

I might as well ask, even though it'll sound "stoopid" by this lists 
standards!: I am currently running Fedora 17 on my laptop, I remember 
upgrading from 14 to 15and from 15 to 16and then to 17, each 
time I had to re-install all my applications, their settings, and 
add-ons / extensions, only because I couldn't figure out how to upgrade 
and have everything "stay" on my system. So I am asking, _IS _there a 
way to run this "fedup" and have all my apps, and their settings / 
customizations, and add-ons remain? I realize I need to back up the 
entire system, and I have done that already, but it gets a bit wearisome 
having to re-install things all over againjust curious, and thanks 
for any help - advice given!



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Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Dale Dellutri]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
 wrote:
> On 17/01/13 07:57, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>>
>> With GTK based apps I use the right mouse-button to page up/down,
>> the mouse-wheel to scroll up/down in small steps, and the left
>> mouse-button to position the slider freely. That's not specific
>> to GNOME.
>>
>> --
>
>
>
>We are a family of track ball users, I have three on my desk. They
>have no "scroll wheel," but some have four buttons, none of which
>seem to improve the rate of scrolling. I press the right button and
>move the slider with the ball just as you do with the wheel I
>believe but on a large list moving about the slide one centimeter
>goes through five or six hundred messages, even lists of 150 are
>hard to deal with at that rate.
>
>What appears to be specific to F-18, and Gnome I guess, I've used
>XFCE only for a long time, is that the scroll buttons are missing
>and I wonder why? I know F-18 is what it is and my complaining wont
>change it ...

When I first started with Xfce, I was unhappy with the response of my
laptop's touchpad.  After much research, I found that I had to add
a file 10-touchpad.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as follows (between
the ='s below).  Perhaps you need something similar for your
track balls.

=
# See:
#   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration
#   
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics/10-synaptics.conf_example
# Use
#   synclient -l
# to see all current options

Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "tap-by-default"
   MatchIsTouchpad "on"
   MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
   Option "TapButton1" "1"
   Option "TapButton2" "2"
   Option "TapButton3" "3"
   Option "FastTaps" "on"
EndSection
=

>Thank you,
>Bob
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Re: Fedup for LVM?

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:02:23PM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> >I haven't yet started to figure out a decent
> >kickstart since supposedly that will get around the problem.
> Kickstart shouldn't present any capabilities that aren't present in
> Anaconda.

Currently, it *does* present capabilities which are not present in the UI.

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Re: Ralink 3090 not seen after fedup to f18 (solved)

[Steven Stern]

On 01/16/2013 10:30 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
> After updating, I have no Wifi. The controller is an ralink RT3090. It
> shows up in lspci, but I can't access it.
> 

I fixed this in two ways: (1) by dropping back to the last F17 kernel
and (2) grabbing the next F18 kernel, 3.7.2-204.fc18

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=896349

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 22:11 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/17/2013 09:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 02:45 +, g wrote:
> >> now i find out that the
> >> ???great and wonderful??? yahoo email service has been marking good
> >> emails as spam and then automatically deleting them for me. what is
> >> even worse, this has been going on for almost a full year.
> > No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from time
> > to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly working.
> >
> 
> Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight...   But, IMHO, too much time has been 
> spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole.

And yet you tempt us with another acronym :-)

(I just figured out you meant Gin and Tonic. It's usually spelt G&T
where I come from).

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Re: chrome on f18 (fix)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 22:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > I noticed that during the erase action, yum showed the repo as
> > "@google-chrome/17", but during the install it shows as
> "google-chrome".
> > The Chrome versions are exactly the same, so as you say there is
> clearly
> > some magic happening during the install which is different from F17
> to
> > F18.
> 
> FWIW, instead of doing the remove/install procedure I simply did
> 
> yum reinstall google-chrome-stable
> 
> to get it working again.
> 
> I suppose I should care why it worked, and why it failed in the first
> place.   :-)

I considered that, but I wanted to watch what was happening. Reinstall
is *probably* the same as erase/install, but then again it might not be.

poc

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/17/2013 09:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 02:45 +, g wrote:
>> now i find out that the
>> ???great and wonderful??? yahoo email service has been marking good
>> emails as spam and then automatically deleting them for me. what is
>> even worse, this has been going on for almost a full year.
> No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from time
> to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly working.
>

Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight...   But, IMHO, too much time has been 
spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole.

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Re: chrome on f18 (fix)

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/17/2013 09:51 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 18:55 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 16.01.2013 18:03, schrieb Neal Becker:
>>> Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 10:11 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
> Well, workaround really.
>
> /usr/lib64/libudev.so.0 -> /usr/lib64/libudev.so.1
>
 A better solution is probably:

 yum remove google-chrome-stable
 yum install google-chrome-stable

 Woogie

>>> Really?  I just tried it, but looks like google-chrome-stable is still 
>>> linked to
>>> libudev.so.0:
>>>
>>> ldd /opt/google/chrome/chrome | grep udev
>>> libudev.so.0 => /lib64/libudev.so.0 (0x7ff603cb)
>>>
>> for me it works, there must be some magic in the rpm-scripts
>>
>> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ ldd /opt/google/chrome/chrome | grep udev
>> libudev.so.0 => not found
>> libudev.so.1 => /lib64/libudev.so.1 (0x7fbd92d17000)
>>
> I have the same results from ldd, but Chrome didn't work. I did the
> remove/install with yum as above, and it did work.
>
> I noticed that during the erase action, yum showed the repo as
> "@google-chrome/17", but during the install it shows as "google-chrome".
> The Chrome versions are exactly the same, so as you say there is clearly
> some magic happening during the install which is different from F17 to
> F18.

FWIW, instead of doing the remove/install procedure I simply did

yum reinstall google-chrome-stable

to get it working again.

I suppose I should care why it worked, and why it failed in the first 
place.   :-)


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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 02:45 +, g wrote:
> now i find out that the
> ???great and wonderful??? yahoo email service has been marking good
> emails as spam and then automatically deleting them for me. what is
> even worse, this has been going on for almost a full year.

No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from time
to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly working.

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Re: chrome on f18 (fix)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 18:55 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> Am 16.01.2013 18:03, schrieb Neal Becker:
> > Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 10:11 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
> >>> Well, workaround really.
> >>>
> >>> /usr/lib64/libudev.so.0 -> /usr/lib64/libudev.so.1
> >>>
> >>
> >> A better solution is probably:
> >>
> >> yum remove google-chrome-stable
> >> yum install google-chrome-stable
> >>
> >> Woogie
> >>
> > 
> > Really?  I just tried it, but looks like google-chrome-stable is still 
> > linked to
> > libudev.so.0:
> > 
> > ldd /opt/google/chrome/chrome | grep udev
> > libudev.so.0 => /lib64/libudev.so.0 (0x7ff603cb)
> > 
> 
> for me it works, there must be some magic in the rpm-scripts
> 
> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ ldd /opt/google/chrome/chrome | grep udev
> libudev.so.0 => not found
> libudev.so.1 => /lib64/libudev.so.1 (0x7fbd92d17000)
> 

I have the same results from ldd, but Chrome didn't work. I did the
remove/install with yum as above, and it did work.

I noticed that during the erase action, yum showed the repo as
"@google-chrome/17", but during the install it shows as "google-chrome".
The Chrome versions are exactly the same, so as you say there is clearly
some magic happening during the install which is different from F17 to
F18.

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Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA]

On 17/01/13 07:57, Michael Schwendt wrote:

With GTK based apps I use the right mouse-button to page up/down,
the mouse-wheel to scroll up/down in small steps, and the left
mouse-button to position the slider freely. That's not specific
to GNOME.

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   have no "scroll wheel," but some have four buttons, none of which
   seem to improve the rate of scrolling. I press the right button and
   move the slider with the ball just as you do with the wheel I
   believe but on a large list moving about the slide one centimeter
   goes through five or six hundred messages, even lists of 150 are
   hard to deal with at that rate.

   What appears to be specific to F-18, and Gnome I guess, I've used
   XFCE only for a long time, is that the scroll buttons are missing
   and I wonder why? I know F-18 is what it is and my complaining wont
   change it ...

   Thank you,

   Bob

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:55:53PM +1030, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
> >> Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.
> 
> Michael Schwendt:
> > There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.
> 
> There isn't.  Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you a
> desktop choice.
> 
> I've seen that kind of option (either in a taskbar, or within the logon
> box), and used it, on other releases, but it's nowhere to be seen on my
> Fedora 17 install.
> 

If you are using gdm, there should be one.  It is difficult to get a
screenshot before logging in, otherwise I could try showing.

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Tim]

Tim:
>> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
>> Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.

Michael Schwendt:
> There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.

There isn't.  Nowhere on the logon screen is anything that gives you a
desktop choice.

I've seen that kind of option (either in a taskbar, or within the logon
box), and used it, on other releases, but it's nowhere to be seen on my
Fedora 17 install.

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:47:53 +1030, Tim wrote:

> There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
> Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.

There is. It appears after you choose/enter the user name.

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Re: fedora 17 no wireless

[Timothy Murphy]

Joel Rees wrote:

> First time to try to use wireless since installing F17. Connects, but
> doesn't succeed at authorizing. Keeps trying to authorize for several
> minutes, then gives up.

You could try right-clicking on the WiFi icon in the panel,
going to Network Management Settings, then Wireless (if not already there),
click on your router (if listed), go to Edit and then Wireless Security.

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Re: f-18 scfolling -

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:54:12 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

> 
> 
> Something has happened to the ability to scroll smoothly in
> Thunderbird since upgrading two computers to F-18/64/XFCE. In the
> past there has been a spot at the top and bottom of the scroll bar
> where you could increment the scroll gradually. That is no longer
> there in Thunderbird or Firefox. In the case of one directory in
> Thunderbird where I have 6400 e-mail messages I can scroll using the
> button but moving it about 5cm on the screen goes through all 6400
> messages in the list, hardly fine grained!
> 
> This computer was upgraded from F-17 via "fedup' while the other one
> was simply yum updated from F-18 beta. Both have the same scrolling
> affliction.
> 
> Have I done something wrong?

With GTK based apps I use the right mouse-button to page up/down,
the mouse-wheel to scroll up/down in small steps, and the left
mouse-button to position the slider freely. That's not specific
to GNOME.

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Re: f18 update woes - success

[Bill Murray]

  Hi all,
   I finally made fedup work. Whoopee, now I have a nice new system. 
Procedure:


* comment out two funny mounts I have in /etc/fstab
  (mount an internal iso and mount a big encrypted disk with soft-links 
into it)

* run fedup & boot
* reinstate the mounts

 And finally all is well. As a side-bonus I have 60GB free that used to 
have an unused windows partition :)

Bill





On 17/01/13 10:17, William Murray wrote:

  Dear all,
 I am still unable to install F18 on my laptop. After giving up on 
F17->F18 fedup upgrading
I decided to delete my window partition and install F18 there. The 
installer started fine, but

neither automatically not manually would it let me assign the disks.
  There is "only" 70GB free, but this should not be too little. But 
that is what both disk
setup options report. Possibly this us due to the odd disk layout I 
have now:


/dev/sda1 0.1GB DellUtility
/dev/sda2 20GB Windows recovery
Blank68GB unused
/dev/sda4 extended
   /dev/sda5  0.5GB /boot
   /dev/sda6  7.8GB luks (swap)
   /dev/sda7   400GB  luks All-my-files
  /dev/sda8   99GB  ext4 / F17 system

Somehow F18 install is unable to squeeze in, whether I tell it to use the
old swap space or not...
   Ideas?
 Bill




On 16/01/13 16:14, William Murray wrote:

  Dear Fedora-enthusiasts,
I have just run fedup on a couple of F17 systems with sad 
consequences, and I am looking for help.


1) The first was an F17 along machine. I did a network 'fedup' which 
ran with no errors and left it for the
night. In the morning it was stick in a boot sequence. I can still 
boot the FC17 kernels (fortunately)
but the F18 always hangs almost immediately with an error about being 
unable to mount the filesystem.
No errors in the 3 log files. I tried reinstalling grub2 and 
removing/reading the F18 kernel but no joy


Generally install went OK, but with 2 monitors I still fall-back to 
gnome 3 mode. KDE did not upgrade; I think

it may be because later version numbers are already in FC17 then FC18.

2) The worse one in my dual-booting laptop. Win7+Fedora, using grub2 
to chainload windows if desired.
 It is a somewhat convoluted system with Fedora 17 unencrypted plus a 
big encrypted partition.
I ran 'fedup' (to an iso DVD file) and got no errors. Then I hit 
reboot - and stuck at:

   File system boot sector (C) is reserved
   There is no OS to bot on this disk.
Using a rescue disk and reinstalling GRUB2 fixed the boot startup, 
but loading the fedup dracut then
times out waiting for device-mapper-luks and cannot boot. So I 
comment out the entry in /etc/fstab

But still the boot fails in the disk setup phase.  Any ideas?

  Thanks!
Bill





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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Suvayu Ali]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:42:37PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 02:59:35AM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> > I would recommend not to use fedup.  I'm facing a lot of troubles after
> > going the fedup route.  Although not officially supported, you could try
> > upgrading via yum.  It has been reliably working for people across
> > multiple releases.
> 
> It would be very helpful if you could report those troubles. Otherwise, it's
> hard to make it better.
> 

I did plan to report it, but I have some questions before I collect all
the information; maybe someone here can help.

These are the issues I have:

1. I have been using grub.  This ThinkPad have been upgraded through all
   the releases since F14, I didn't think worth the effort to switch to
   grub2 since everything worked well for me.  After using fedup, I
   cannot edit the entries or the kernel arguments anymore.  Trying to
   do that, corrupts the line (display only).  I can't even move along
   the line consistently (cursor keys, home, end, nothing works).  If I
   blindly type something and accept it with RET, it is ignored too.
   This makes debugging very inconvenient.

2. Apart from this I found fedup messed with a couple of daemons (which
   were working fine with F17), and now I am getting warning emails from
   systemd.  Since most of these are non-critical I just turned them off.

3. With the F18 kernel (3.7.2-201.fc18.x86_64), my screen gets
   corrupted, and I can't see anything.  I realise this is not a fedup
   issue, probably just a bad kernel.  This is even before the gdm login
   screen appears.  So far the only way to boot with this kernel is to
   use nomodeset (which comes with its own caveats of course).  I have
   tried rebuilding the initrd with dracut with no luck.

4. Again, this is not a fedup issue; I'm having power management issues.
   For example, while waking up from sleep (by opening the lid) it
   sometime goes back to sleep again and I have to manually press the
   power button.  Some of my power management settings about what to do
   when on AC power or battery are also ignored.

Problem (2) is not important enough for me to investigate, but I
consider (1) to be a severe regression.  However I'm not sure how I can
debug and add useful information to any bug report, the same goes for
(3).  With (4) it could just be an issue with the power management
application for my desktop (XFCE).  Any suggestions about how to go
about debugging (1) and (3) are very welcome.

Cheers,

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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Luan Minh Pham]

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 07:48:28 AM Phil Dobbin wrote:
> If FedUp is as unreliable as you say, it's a pretty serious bug that
> needs addressing as soon as possible.

It more like server not totally sync yet.
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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Luan Minh Pham]

On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 09:42:37 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> > I would recommend not to use fedup.  I'm facing a lot of troubles after
> > going the fedup route.  Although not officially supported, you could try
> > upgrading via yum.  It has been reliably working for people across
> > multiple releases.
> 
> It would be very helpful if you could report those troubles. Otherwise, it's
> hard to make it better.

For one Fedup doesn't download all the package it need, so in middle of the 
upgrade system reboot.   I could not even login to KDE desktop.  So I had to 
go to failsafe mode to finish the updatge.
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Re: FedUp: best plan?

[Garry T. Williams]

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 07:48:28 Phil Dobbin wrote:
> Mmm. I'm not really sure about using yum. If FedUp is the approved
> method, I'm at least going to try it.

I just did it (F17 -> F18 via yum) without a hitch.  I decided to go
this way due to the problems being reported with FedUp.  Although it
took a long time (I'm on a slow DSL link), it really was quite a yawn.

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Re: A Look at Fedora 18

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 16 January 2013, Gordon Messmer sent:
> More or less. MATE is a fork of GNOME 2.
> 
> Fedora also includes Cinnamon, now, which is an alternate shell based
> on GNOME 3, but with a more traditional panel and menu interface.

I'm inclined not to agree with that.  If it were "more traditional
Gnome" it'd look like the old Gnome desktop, not like a copy of the
Windows desktop, with it's appalling bottom-up start menu (as all the
screenshots of Cinnamon depict, that I can find).

Going by screenshots, Mate looks more "traditional."  And, I think it's
what I'm using on Fedora 17.  I say "think," in that I've tried a few
different things with Gnome on Fedora and Ubuntu, to get traditional
Gnome desktop, again, and I can't remember which approach I did on which
installation.  I don't know if I'm "using it" or just that bits of it
are installed.  There's no desktop chooser (in the GDM logon screen) on
Fedora to let me quickly see what desktop I'm using.

[tim@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa \*mate\*
mate-conf-1.4.0-21.fc17.x86_64
mate-corba-1.4.0-9.fc17.x86_64
mate-desktop-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64
mate-desktop-libs-1.5.5-1.fc17.x86_64

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Linux 3.6.11-1.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 17 22:16:35 UTC 2012 x86_64

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Re: f18 update woes

[William Murray]

  Dear all,
 I am still unable to install F18 on my laptop. After giving up on 
F17->F18 fedup upgrading
I decided to delete my window partition and install F18 there. The 
installer started fine, but

neither automatically not manually would it let me assign the disks.
  There is "only" 70GB free, but this should not be too little. But 
that is what both disk
setup options report. Possibly this us due to the odd disk layout I have 
now:


/dev/sda1 0.1GB DellUtility
/dev/sda2 20GB Windows recovery
Blank68GB unused
/dev/sda4 extended
   /dev/sda5  0.5GB /boot
   /dev/sda6  7.8GB luks (swap)
   /dev/sda7   400GB  luks All-my-files
  /dev/sda8   99GB  ext4 / F17 system

Somehow F18 install is unable to squeeze in, whether I tell it to use the
old swap space or not...
   Ideas?
 Bill




On 16/01/13 16:14, William Murray wrote:

  Dear Fedora-enthusiasts,
I have just run fedup on a couple of F17 systems with sad 
consequences, and I am looking for help.


1) The first was an F17 along machine. I did a network 'fedup' which 
ran with no errors and left it for the
night. In the morning it was stick in a boot sequence. I can still 
boot the FC17 kernels (fortunately)
but the F18 always hangs almost immediately with an error about being 
unable to mount the filesystem.
No errors in the 3 log files. I tried reinstalling grub2 and 
removing/reading the F18 kernel but no joy


Generally install went OK, but with 2 monitors I still fall-back to 
gnome 3 mode. KDE did not upgrade; I think

it may be because later version numbers are already in FC17 then FC18.

2) The worse one in my dual-booting laptop. Win7+Fedora, using grub2 
to chainload windows if desired.
 It is a somewhat convoluted system with Fedora 17 unencrypted plus a 
big encrypted partition.
I ran 'fedup' (to an iso DVD file) and got no errors. Then I hit 
reboot - and stuck at:

   File system boot sector (C) is reserved
   There is no OS to bot on this disk.
Using a rescue disk and reinstalling GRUB2 fixed the boot startup, but 
loading the fedup dracut then
times out waiting for device-mapper-luks and cannot boot. So I comment 
out the entry in /etc/fstab

But still the boot fails in the disk setup phase.  Any ideas?

  Thanks!
Bill



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Re: fedora 18 : conflicts when installing OpenCPN

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 01/17/2013 09:39 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:

Hi,
After a succesful upgrade f17 -f18 with fedup I tried to install
OpenCPN. In f17 there were no install-issues.

These are the complaints after trying to install OpenCPN 3.1.1309:

Transaction Check Error:
file /usr from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package nevernote-0.99-2.amd64
file /usr from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file
from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with
file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/bin from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts
with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/lib64 from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64
conflicts with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/share from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64
conflicts with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/share/applications from install of
opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64

Error Summary


The same errors show up after trying to install OpenCPN
 3.0.2 (rpm),
OpenCPN 3.1.1309 (rpm) or building from source.
Does anyone have any clues on how to solve this?


This opencpn package clearly isn't properly packaged (and the nevernote 
package you have installed, as well).


The proper resolution would be to fix the rpm.spec and to rebuild the 
package.


Ralf

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fedora 18 : conflicts when installing OpenCPN

[Peter Lesterhuis]

Hi,
After a succesful upgrade f17 -f18 with fedup I tried to install 
OpenCPN. In f17 there were no install-issues.


These are the complaints after trying to install OpenCPN 3.1.1309:

Transaction Check Error:
file /usr from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file 
from package nevernote-0.99-2.amd64
file /usr from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file 
from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with 
file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/bin from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts 
with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/lib64 from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 
conflicts with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/share from install of opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 
conflicts with file from package filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64
file /usr/local/share/applications from install of 
opencpn-3.1.1309-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
filesystem-3.1-2.fc18.x86_64


Error Summary


The same errors show up after trying to install OpenCPN 
 3.0.2 (rpm), 
OpenCPN 3.1.1309 (rpm) or building from source.

Does anyone have any clues on how to solve this?

Thanks,

Peter
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Re: Howto fedup?

[Jorge Martínez López]

Hello,


2013/1/16 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 

>   Yes, I had to run "# grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as
>>
>specified in that page. It now has the grub2 display in black and
>white, not as pretty as on the computer that began as F-18 Beta,
>different but functional.
>

That only updates Grub2 configuration (i.e. the entries in the menu). To
upgrade Grub2 you need to run:
#grub2-install /dev/sda

Change /dev/sda for whatever your primary hard drive is. In my case I use
/dev/sda and then /dev/sdb as I run a RAID mirror.

Upon boot you should see Grub 2.00 as version number instead of Grub
2.00-betaX that was the Fedora 17 version.

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Re: Fedora 18 not mounting USB drives.

[Jorge Martínez López]

Hello,


2013/1/16 Johan Scheepers 

> Good day,
>
> When I boot and login I get a udisks have a problem.
> Kindly please : how to fix this.
>
>
First of all please let us know the exact text of the message you get.

The last lines of /var/log/messages right after inserting the USB disk also
help.

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Re: firewall-applet

[Jorge Martínez López]

Hi!


2013/1/16 Matthew Miller 

> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:47:00PM +, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
> > I have tested firewall-applet in the desktop. I used it to open a port in
> > the home zone. Then I added my network interfaces to the home zone in
> > NetworkManager but it didn't work so I used the command line.
>
> Can you file a bug for the "it didn't work" part?
>
>
You are right, I should have created a bug. I have just tried to reproduce
the problem and I couldn't. This time I only used Network Manager to define
the zones for each interface (they were already set) and the
firewall-config GUI application and it worked correctly. I believe I made a
mistake when checking if the port was open or not.

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