Re: Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting. [SOLVED]

2013-03-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/08/13 14:05, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Hmm, there should be possible set default browser for individual
> users, not only as system global.

Yes, there is

xdg-settings is supposed to be the command to set that up.  However, I've found 
it to be buggy.  So, you can manually edit

$HOME/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list



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Re: Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting. [SOLVED]

2013-03-07 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> On 07/03/13 16:11, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:55:57 +0100
>> Erik P. Olsen wrote:
>>
>>> What can be done to change this behaviour short of reporting a bug in
>>> bugzilla?
>>
>> That probably wouldn't do any good either :-).
>>
>> The real problem is that there is no such thing as a "default" anything.
>>
>> There are some vague rules written by the freedesktop folks,
>> then there are the 47 million programs which can launch web
>> browsers which may or may not pay attention to the "rules".
>>
>> See: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/mimes.html
>>
>> I decrypted enough stuff that I was able to tell claws-mail
>> to open links with xdg-open and then have that invoke google-chrome,
>> but there are other things I have yet to have any luck with
>> (like getting google-chrome to pass .torrent links to
>> ktorrent - magnets yes, torrents no :-).
>>
> OK, I believe I solved the problem.
> In /usr/local/share/applications/defaults.list I found several lines with
> text like http=firefox.desktop;google-chrome.desktop and changing it into
> http=google-chrome.desktop did it.

Hmm, there should be possible set default browser for individual
users, not only as system global.

Where falls 'htmlview' and 'launchmail' wrappers hich was in earlier
Fedora releases? I think they was rather gnome-oriented, but (not know
how launchmail) htmlview could read ~/.htmlviewrc where was users
preferences set.
Maybe this idea isn't bad. Or is now there something better?








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Re: cross compiler

2013-03-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 03/07/2013 11:19 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

When I try to compile
dwg2dxf-2.1
./configure list:

checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for c++... (cached) c++
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes

I deduced that I do not have a cross-complier installed.

Correct.


How can I installed this option ?
Pardon, I am not familiar with this package, but why do you expect a 
cross-compiler?


This configure script is telling you it is compiling a package 
"natively". This is what you normally would expect.


Ralf



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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread George Avrunin
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:47:52 +, Tethys wrote:

> I tried various
> other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
> happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
> mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
> published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
> a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
> the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
> whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.
> 
> Tet
> 

Have you tried installing TeX Live directly from CTAN (e.g., download
install-tl-unx.tar.gz and perhaps update regularly using tlmgr)?  If
there's a problem with the F17 version, it's possible that the actual TeX
Live 2012, updated from CTAN, would solve it.  I don't use ConTeXt (and
I'm on F18 now), so I can't say anything about that.  But on F17 I used
TeX Live from CTAN, not the Fedora rpms, and everything I use worked
fine.  (I haven't had any problems with the one from the rpms on F18 yet
either, but ...)

  George




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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Michael,

Thank you very much for replying.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 06:04 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
>>
>> So it is now time for me to put time aside to install Fedora 18.
>> Though I need to make sure I understand all the issues with Anaconda.
>
>
> You won't need to touch anaconda.
>
> Perform a preupgrade to Fedora 17. Then use fedup to upgrade to Fedora 18.
>

I have Fedora 13 installed so I would have to use preupgrades and I
have heard there were problems with the preupgrade.

I actually prefer to do a clean install each time so I can format and cleanup.

Thank you

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth

On 03/07/2013 06:04 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:

So it is now time for me to put time aside to install Fedora 18.
Though I need to make sure I understand all the issues with Anaconda.


You won't need to touch anaconda.

Perform a preupgrade to Fedora 17. Then use fedup to upgrade to Fedora 18.
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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
Well I have been using TeXlive for a long time, and I do it in different
machines and with different OS. But my basic system is Ubuntu LTS, I hate
to change my OS every six months and I prefer something more stables. With
Fedora in the last versions I have few troubles and I use them but they are
not my hit. But, yes I know, this is a Fedora list.


And about TeXLive and all those troubles, in fact as José Matos says, we
need to install all the schemes we need for our papers and projects. I
teach how to use LaTeX from the most basic until special packages for
certain task, not always for typeset math. TeX in fact is more than that,
but of course isn't the only tool, so i install Tex-live full, all the
schemes for avoid those problems. It can be a little expensive abut
the HDspace usage with up 1.5 GB for store everything, but this is how
I can use
different compilers such as tex, pdtex, latex, pdflatex, xetex, xelatex and
luatex for ConTeXt.

Perhaps you can customise the settings of the TeXlive for install only the
packages you need, but I don't know if it is possible or how to do it. So
simply I prefer install everything.

As Gordon Bell said: TeX is potentially the most significant invention in
typesetting in the last century [...] and in terms of importance could rank
near the introduction of the Gutenberg press.

So isn't the only tool, but perhaps is the most powerful one. We have
InDesign (not in linux yet) and Scribus, and they're good for some tasks,
but in my opinion we can't compare them, TeX and both of its embodiments:
LaTeX and ConTeXt can do a better work , faster and easier than InDesign,
QuarkXpress, Scribus and others. We can typeset huge quantities of pages
automatically with an excellent composition and without adjust manually
line by line and save paper using the traditional pica points instead the
PostScript pica points.

There is a long time (two years ago) I don't use Scribus, is an interesting
software, but the typographical management was poor for me and unable to
take advantage of Open Type features. With LaTeX we can do it using
XeLaTeXand it's great. Surely
Scribus now is better than the version I knew, but it can be better for
typeset highly hierarchized texts with a lot of cross references, and
equations, chemical formulae or musical notation or chess notation, but
it's ok for magazines, newspapers, brochures (leaflets) and all those
publications where the design and the number of pages depends from the
contents.

I do not think the way pdf file is created is important, but the way you
can compose an equation, or another thing typographically difficult,
matters.

That's all, cheers.
Aradenatorix.
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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Jose,

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my email and reply.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:53 PM, José Matos  wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 10:08 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
>> I need my laptop for work and I need LaTeX - I heard there were issues
>> with TeXLive so have held off installing newer Fedoras - have also
>> heard of difficulties with the Anaconda installer.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Darlene Wallach
>
> The only issue with texlive in Fedora previous to F18 was that it was
> using texlive-2007 before an auditing to all the packages was complete.
> With Fedora 18 the texlive is 2012 and it has all the packages available
> and easy to install.

Got it. texlive-2007 is what I have installed.

So it is now time for me to put time aside to install Fedora 18.
Though I need to make sure I understand all the issues with Anaconda.

Thank you

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Re: problem with extended attributes

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 08.03.2013 00:57, schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
> Reindl Harald writes:
> 
>> [root@fileserver:~]$ setfattr -n harry -v test /mnt/storage/test
>> setfattr: /mnt/storage/test: Operation not supported
> 
> Extended attributes must use a specific namespace, such as "user." or 
> "system."
> 
> Try setfattr -n user.harry -v test /mnt/storage/test
> 
> Perhaps pre 3.8 kernels allowed any namespace to be used; if so, this must've 
> been undocumetned, because attr(5)
> was quite explicit, about this, for a long time

yes i realized this shortly after my post by anoterh answer
netatalk upstream asked "does setfattr work on the FS" and
sicne i am not intersted in this details  and there was
error messages from netatalk ACl related i got alarmed

however, we still do not know what netatalk3 hates on
existing shares while upgrade from 2.2.x but thats
a different story and has to be cleared with netafp.com




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Re: problem with extended attributes

2013-03-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Reindl Harald writes:


[root@fileserver:~]$ setfattr -n harry -v test /mnt/storage/test
setfattr: /mnt/storage/test: Operation not supported


Extended attributes must use a specific namespace, such as "user." or  
"system."


Try setfattr -n user.harry -v test /mnt/storage/test

Perhaps pre 3.8 kernels allowed any namespace to be used; if so, this  
must've been undocumetned, because attr(5) was quite explicit, about this,  
for a long time.




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Re: Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting. [SOLVED]

2013-03-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen

On 07/03/13 16:11, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:55:57 +0100
Erik P. Olsen wrote:


What can be done to change this behaviour short of reporting a bug in bugzilla?


That probably wouldn't do any good either :-).

The real problem is that there is no such thing as a "default" anything.

There are some vague rules written by the freedesktop folks,
then there are the 47 million programs which can launch web
browsers which may or may not pay attention to the "rules".

See: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/mimes.html

I decrypted enough stuff that I was able to tell claws-mail
to open links with xdg-open and then have that invoke google-chrome,
but there are other things I have yet to have any luck with
(like getting google-chrome to pass .torrent links to
ktorrent - magnets yes, torrents no :-).


OK, I believe I solved the problem.
In /usr/local/share/applications/defaults.list I found several lines with text 
like http=firefox.desktop;google-chrome.desktop and changing it into 
http=google-chrome.desktop did it.


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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread José Matos
On 03/07/2013 10:08 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
> I need my laptop for work and I need LaTeX - I heard there were issues
> with TeXLive so have held off installing newer Fedoras - have also
> heard of difficulties with the Anaconda installer.
>
> Thank you
>
> Darlene Wallach

The only issue with texlive in Fedora previous to F18 was that it was
using texlive-2007 before an auditing to all the packages was complete.
With Fedora 18 the texlive is 2012 and it has all the packages available
and easy to install.

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Re: Panic when doing shutdown or reboot

2013-03-07 Thread Bill Perkins
On 2013.03.07 18:21, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 15:17 -0500, Bill Perkins wrote:
> > The panic message displays on the console before the system 
> freezes.
>  
> > You need to boot your Fedora system without the "rhgb quiet" at the
> end 
> > of the linux boot line in order to see all of the details, or hit
> the 
> > ESC key at the right point in time during boot or shutdown.  
> 
> Removing "rhgb quiet" from the boot line is a very good idea.  It's a
> lot more fun to watch the messages flash by under the 4 penguins than
> to
> watch a more or less empty screen.  Unfortunately, the system puts 
> the
> monitor to sleep after system shutdown, and the screen goes blank.  I
> *think* I see messages about unmounting file systems and that I don't
> see a panic message, but I'm not sure.
> 
> I'll try to find a monitor setting to keep the screen from going 
> blank
> when it receives no signal.  Any advice would be welcome: the monitor
> is
> an Acer P243W)
> 
> Thanks - jon
> 

Jon,

Try tapping the shift key periodically during the shutdown and the 
screen should stay lit.  Once the system freezes with the panic 
message, the screen may not go to sleep again until you reset the 
system.

Bill
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Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Patrick,

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 14:11 -0800, Darlene Wallach wrote:
>> Unable to find a suitable output format for
>> 'LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mwv'
>
> Maybe because you actually want ...wmv, not ...mwv?

Good eyes!

I hate it when I do that - make a typo and *not* see it!

That did the trick!

Thank you

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Re: Panic when doing shutdown or reboot

2013-03-07 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 15:17 -0500, Bill Perkins wrote:
> The panic message displays on the console before the system freezes.  
> You need to boot your Fedora system without the "rhgb quiet" at the end 
> of the linux boot line in order to see all of the details, or hit the 
> ESC key at the right point in time during boot or shutdown.  

Removing "rhgb quiet" from the boot line is a very good idea.  It's a
lot more fun to watch the messages flash by under the 4 penguins than to
watch a more or less empty screen.  Unfortunately, the system puts the
monitor to sleep after system shutdown, and the screen goes blank.  I
*think* I see messages about unmounting file systems and that I don't
see a panic message, but I'm not sure.

I'll try to find a monitor setting to keep the screen from going blank
when it receives no signal.  Any advice would be welcome: the monitor is
an Acer P243W)

Thanks - jon


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Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 14:11 -0800, Darlene Wallach wrote:
> Unable to find a suitable output format for
> 'LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mwv'

Maybe because you actually want ...wmv, not ...mwv?

poc

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Reindl,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
>
>
> Am 07.03.2013 23:08, schrieb Darlene Wallach:
>>> the last supported version is F17
>>> you would need ffmpeg
>>
>> I have:
>> Installed Packages
>> ffmpeg.i686  0.6-3.fc13  
>> @rpmfusion-free-updates
>
> and nobody of the ffmpeg developers wil give
> you any support for this stone old version
>
>>> but you are at your own because you do not care
>>> to hold your OS in a supported state for years
>>
>> I need my laptop for work and I need LaTeX - I heard there were issues
>> with TeXLive so have held off installing newer Fedoras - have also
>> heard of difficulties with the Anaconda installer
>
> so install CentOS and hope someone is baking you
> a recent ffmpeg for it or try to build ffmpeg at
> your own
>
> F13 is not supported since years
>
> if you install Fedora you know since forever that there
> is all 6 months a new version and no support for longer
> than a year - so what do you expect?
>
>

I'm not complaining. I'm only asking if there is a way for me to
convert an mp4 video to wmv

It looks like ffmpeg is what I need and perhaps I just don't know the
correct way to use ffmpeg or perhaps the version I have doesn't have
that capability.

Perhaps my ill use of duckduckgo.com in searching for the commands to
convert is the problem.

I appreciate your taking the time to read my email and then to reply.

Darlene Wallach

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Re: cross compiler

2013-03-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Patrick Dupre <
patrick.du...@univ-littoral.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When I try to compile
> dwg2dxf-2.1
> ./configure list:
>
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
> checking for c++... (cached) c++
> checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) works... yes
> checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes
>
> I deduced that I do not have a cross-complier installed.
> How can I installed this option ?
>
> Thank.
>
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You could look for one in the software repositories(?) under

Activities -> Show Applications -> System Tools -> Software

Hope this helps,

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cross compiler

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick Dupre

Hello,

When I try to compile
dwg2dxf-2.1
./configure list:

checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for c++... (cached) c++
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes

I deduced that I do not have a cross-complier installed.
How can I installed this option ?

Thank.

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/07/2013 03:14 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
> Argh! OOPS!
> 
> I need to convert an mp4 video to wmv. Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Darlene Wallach
> 
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Darlene Wallach
>  wrote:
>> I need to convert an mp4 video to wav.
>>
>> Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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> 
> 
ffmpeg will do that, too.

  ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -o file.wmv

be sure to check all the options

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 07.03.2013 23:08, schrieb Darlene Wallach:
>> the last supported version is F17
>> you would need ffmpeg
> 
> I have:
> Installed Packages
> ffmpeg.i686  0.6-3.fc13  
> @rpmfusion-free-updates

and nobody of the ffmpeg developers wil give
you any support for this stone old version

>> but you are at your own because you do not care
>> to hold your OS in a supported state for years
> 
> I need my laptop for work and I need LaTeX - I heard there were issues
> with TeXLive so have held off installing newer Fedoras - have also
> heard of difficulties with the Anaconda installer

so install CentOS and hope someone is baking you
a recent ffmpeg for it or try to build ffmpeg at
your own

F13 is not supported since years

if you install Fedora you know since forever that there
is all 6 months a new version and no support for longer
than a year - so what do you expect?





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Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Steven,

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply.

I actually goofed - I meant wmv not wav.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Steven Stern
 wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 03:09 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
>> I need to convert an mp4 video to wav.
>>
>> Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Darlene Wallach
>>
> Do you mean you just want to pull out the sound?  ffmpeg will do it,
> something like
>
>ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -o file.wav
>
> There are a zillion options, so be sure to 'man ffmpeg'.

I looked at 'man ffmpeg'

and am failing to get the correct ffmpeg to convert from mp4 to wmv,

I tried
$ ffmpeg -i ./LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mp4 LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mwv
FFmpeg version 0.6-rpmfusion, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers
  built on Jul 27 2010 03:51:48 with gcc 4.4.4 20100630 (Red Hat 4.4.4-10)
  configuration: --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin
--datadir=/usr/share/ffmpeg --incdir=/usr/include/ffmpeg
--libdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --arch=i686
--extra-cflags='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
-fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32
-march=i686 -mtune=atom -fasynchronous-unwind-tables'
--extra-version=rpmfusion --enable-bzlib --enable-libdc1394
--enable-libdirac --enable-libfaad --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame
--enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex
--enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264
--enable-libxvid --enable-x11grab --enable-avfilter
--enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-postproc --enable-pthreads
--disable-static --enable-shared --enable-gpl --disable-debug
--disable-stripping --shlibdir=/usr/lib --cpu=i686
--enable-runtime-cpudetect
  libavutil 50.15. 1 / 50.15. 1
  libavcodec52.72. 2 / 52.72. 2
  libavformat   52.64. 2 / 52.64. 2
  libavdevice   52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
  libavfilter1.19. 0 /  1.19. 0
  libswscale 0.11. 0 /  0.11. 0
  libpostproc   51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0x913c860]max_analyze_duration reached
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from './LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mp4':
  Metadata:
major_brand : mp42
minor_version   : 0
compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1
encoder : Sorenson Squeeze
  Duration: 00:04:40.26, start: 0.00, bitrate: 372 kb/s
Stream #0.0(und): Audio: aac, 44100 Hz, stereo, s16, 96 kb/s
Stream #0.1(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 640x360 [PAR 1:1 DAR
16:9], 272 kb/s, 24 fps, 24 tbr, 600 tbn, 48 tbc
Stream #0.2(und): Data: mp4s / 0x7334706D
Stream #0.3(und): Data: mp4s / 0x7334706D
Unable to find a suitable output format for 'LegalShield-and-IDT-Overview.mwv'

I'm guessing I'm missing an encoder.

Thank you

Darlene Wallach

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Reindl,

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
>
>
> Am 07.03.2013 22:14, schrieb Darlene Wallach:
>> Argh! OOPS!
>>
>> I need to convert an mp4 video to wmv. Is there a way to do that in Fedora 
>> 13?
>
> the last supported version is F17
> you would need ffmpeg

I have:
Installed Packages
ffmpeg.i686  0.6-3.fc13  @rpmfusion-free-updates

>
> but you are at your own because you do not care
> to hold your OS in a supported state for years

I need my laptop for work and I need LaTeX - I heard there were issues
with TeXLive so have held off installing newer Fedoras - have also
heard of difficulties with the Anaconda installer.

Thank you

Darlene Wallach

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Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13

2013-03-07 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/07/2013 03:09 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote:
> I need to convert an mp4 video to wav.
> 
> Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Darlene Wallach
> 
Do you mean you just want to pull out the sound?  ffmpeg will do it,
something like

   ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -o file.wav

There are a zillion options, so be sure to 'man ffmpeg'.

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Re: Strange messages of yum in F18 since some days

2013-03-07 Thread Lailah
El mar, 05-03-2013 a las 12:02 +0100, Joachim Backes escribió:

> Hi all,
> 
> since some days, getting strange messages like these if calling yum:
> 
> BDB2053 Freeing read locks for locker 0x1bf4: 4981/140246004406208
> BDB2053 Freeing read locks for locker 0x1bf5: 4981/140246004406208
> BDB2053 Freeing read locks for locker 0x1bf6: 4981/140246004406208
> BDB2053 Freeing read locks for locker 0x1bf7: 4981/140246004406208
> 
> Any body sees this too? Looks like a MVS message :-))
> 
> yum version: yum-3.4.3-51.fc18.noarch
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Joachim Backes 
> 
> https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes
> 


Yes, sometimes it happen to me too.  I don't know why it happens, or its
meaning


Regards,
Lailah


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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Joe Zeff

On 03/07/2013 01:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).


As it happens, the difference has been discussed on the scribus mailing 
list, so I'm aware of it.  I thought you might find it interesting, 
especially as you find it useful to have precise positioning on a 
character by character basis at times.  If you don't find that useful or 
interesting, that's fine too.  After all, you're the one doing the work, 
not me.  Use whatever program you find fits your needs best.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 11:07 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
> > TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
> > when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
> > for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
> > that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.
> 
> You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
> considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
> sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
> that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
> That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
> more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
> haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
> happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
> that's important, isn't it?

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).

What I was really getting at is that TeX/LaTeX has a widely accepted
encoding for mathematical material, plus an extremely sophisticated
typesetting algorithm that makes it looks nice. No other tool even comes
close (GUI or not).

poc

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Re: make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 07.03.2013 22:14, schrieb Darlene Wallach:
> Argh! OOPS!
> 
> I need to convert an mp4 video to wmv. Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?

the last supported version is F17
you would need ffmpeg

but you are at your own because you do not care
to hold your OS in a supported state for years



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make that wmv (WAS Re: is there a way to convert an mp4 video to wav in Fedora - and I have a very old Fedora 13)

2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
Argh! OOPS!

I need to convert an mp4 video to wmv. Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?

Thank you

Darlene Wallach

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Darlene Wallach
 wrote:
> I need to convert an mp4 video to wav.
>
> Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?
>
> Thank you
>
> Darlene Wallach
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2013-03-07 Thread Darlene Wallach
I need to convert an mp4 video to wav.

Is there a way to do that in Fedora 13?

Thank you

Darlene Wallach
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Re: Panic when doing shutdown or reboot

2013-03-07 Thread Bill Perkins
On 2013.03.06 16:02, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 15:42 -0500, William Perkins wrote:
> > I have two systems with which I am having problems during a 
> shutdown
> or 
> > reboot.  Both are x86_64 systems running Fedora-18 (Spherical Cow). 
> In 
> > both cases the systems will panic before the shutdown or reboot
> process 
> > is completed and system restarts or powers off.  This is a problem
> because 
> > the system that controls the UPS must poweroff to shutdown the UPS
> during 
> > a power failure.  If it does not, the UPS powers off after the
> batteries 
> > run down.  This is not good for the UPS.
> > 
> > Anyway, this problem will occurs on either of these systems after
> some 
> > time has been spent working on them: running X, Firefox, Liferea,
> LibreOffice,
> > etc...  If you than shutdown apps, close windows and terminate the
> window 
> > manager (FVWM), and than do a shutdown or reboot from the command
> line.
> > the system will panic before the shutdown/reboot is done with the 
> > following sampled lines:
> > 
> > Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
> exitcode=0x0100
> > Pid: 1, comm: shutdown Not tainted 3.7.9-205.fc18.x86_64 #1
> 
> I have a similar problem (see the recent discussion on this list
> titled
> "System doesn't shut down properly under Fedora-18".  The disks 
> aren't
> synced; but there is no panic message in /var/log/messages.
> 
> jon
> 

The panic message displays on the console before the system freezes.  
You need to boot your Fedora system without the "rhgb quiet" at the end 
of the linux boot line in order to see all of the details, or hit the 
ESC key at the right point in time during boot or shutdown.  

This is the panic I get at shutdown on two different systems:

Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x0100

Pid: 1, comm: shutdown Not tainted 3.8.1-201.fc18.x86_64 #1
Call Trace:
 [] panic+0xc1/0x1d0
 [] do_exit_0x918/0x9e0
 [] do_group_exit+0x3f/0xa0
 [] sys_exit_group_0x17/0x20
 [] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console


I had to photograph the screen and than type this information into this 
message.

Bill  

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Re: Is there a way to disable access point roaming in F18 NetworkManager?

2013-03-07 Thread Bill Oliver


I seem to have found an answer.  I can indicate the BSSID.  So, my
steps are:

1) Connect to the wireless access point
2) Watch /var/log/messages to see the BSSID
3) Open up NetworkManager
4) Put in that BSSID (or simply choose it -- in one case, it populated
automatically when I pushed the "select" button beside BSSID).

Since it populated automatically once I was connected and hit "select"
it may be that I don't even have to look at /var/log/messages.

In any case, that seems to stop it from jumping around.

billo

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013, Bill Oliver wrote:


Folk,

Sitting here at work, I notice that my wireless crashes about every two
or three minutes.  When I check my /var/log/messages, I see that I am
roaming between two access points associated with the same ESSID that
serves my whole building.  Both access points are reasonably strong, but
fluctuate a bit in signal strength.

The repeated and constant switching of access points is a big hit on my 
wireless performance.


I vaguely remember an option in NetworkManager to disallow roaming, but
I can't find it.

Does anybody know how to stop this?  I looked at the man page for nmcli,
but didn't see anything about roaming...

Config  --

Box: Toshiba Satellite L875D laptop, AMD A8-4500M w/ Radeon HD 7640G,
RealTek wireless

uname -a: Linux localhost.localdomain 3.8.1-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu
Feb 28 19:23:08 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Desktop: KDE 4.9.5

Thanks!

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Joe Zeff

On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Tethys wrote:

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.


I'm not saying that Adobe can't do that, just that it doesn't by default 
and Scribus does.  And, who's to say that Adobe's wrong, as most people 
neither need nor want that much control.  I just thought you might be 
interested in knowing about it.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread José Matos
On 03/07/2013 11:59 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> OK, THis is correct,
>
> but
>
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
>
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
>
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.
>
>
> and
>
> tex testfont.tex
> Name of the font to test =
> fourier
> kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source
> abbreviation  for fourier.
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
> mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;
> nonstopmode; input fourier
> This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)
>
>
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
> ! I can't find file `fourier'.

There are two possibilities:

a) you install all the texlive packages via texlive-scheme-full

b) in this case to satisfy this dependency it is enough

yum install 'tex(fourier.sty)'

this will work for every sty file via the virtual provides.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Tethys
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are
> considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe sets
> the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for that line.
> Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. That makes very
> precise positioning of specific elements possible, far more than in Adobe.

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.

Tet

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread José Matos
On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
>
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
>
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>
> Whould I finish the install manually?
>
> Thank.
>

texlive is an empty rpm that has lots of subpackages, this happens also
for other packages. Nothing new here. :-)

If you want to install all the texlive packages (not including the
documentation packages) you can install them with

yum install texlive-scheme-full

other schemes are

texlive-scheme-basic
texlive-scheme-context
texlive-scheme-gust
texlive-scheme-medium
texlive-scheme-minimal
texlive-scheme-small
texlive-scheme-tetex
texlive-scheme-xml

It works really well. :-)

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fastboot trouble (f18)

2013-03-07 Thread Neal Becker
adb is working fine with my galaxy nexus vzw.  But fastboot doesn't seem to be 
working.  Just hangs.  I see various usb error messages.  But as I said, adb 
works, and phone mounts OK when booted.  Seems to just be fastboot not working.

I'm sure I had it working before on F17.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Joe Zeff

On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.


You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
that's important, isn't it?

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Joe Zeff

On 03/07/2013 10:47 AM, Tethys wrote:

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives.


OK, just asking.  I've run across any number of people across the years 
who learn one way of doing something and keep doing it that way long 
after there's a better way simply because it never occurs to them to 
look.  And, of course, taking an old project from TeX to Scribus would 
be a major PITA.  Still, you might want to give Scribus another look; 
it's a lot better now than it was five years ago.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 10:40 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:
> > TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
> > there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
> > critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> > in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> > problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
> > typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
> > version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.
> 
> There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
> migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
> I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
> professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is *All* You Get.

poc

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Re: [389-users] Single Master replication : after master o.s. + dirsrv upgrade, replication fails with nsds5replicaLastInitStatus=3

2013-03-07 Thread Jon Detert
- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Detert" 
> To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project." 
> <389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:37:54 AM
> Subject: [389-users] Single Master replication : after master o.s. + dirsrv 
> upgrade, replication fails with
> nsds5replicaLastInitStatus=3
> 
> I have a single master replicating to 2 slaves.
> The master is Fedora Directory Server v1.0.4
> The slaves are 389-DirectoryServer v1.2.10.
> 
> This has been working fine.
> 
> I tried to replace the single master with the same ds software as the
> slaves (389-DirectoryServer v1.2.10), but I could not get
> replication to work.
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me see what I did wrong.

Problem solved, thanks to a reply Rich made to another email I sent today 
(thread: [389-users] nsDS5ReplicaCredentials confusion).

The problem was:

1) I trusted that the 'reversible encryption' value of the 
nsDS5ReplicaCredentials attribute, that was generated by fedora-ds v1.0.4, 
would work the same under 389-ds v1.2.10.  It does not.

2) I did not know the actual (i.e. clear-text) value of the password for the dn 
used in the supplier's replication agreement to bind to the consumer.   All I 
had was the non-reversible hash.

3) Even if I reset the password of the bind-dn (on the consumer), I didn't know 
how to generate the hash that I see in the nsDS5ReplicaCredentials attribute 
when I query the replication agreement on the supplier.

Rich answered all these problem points in my other post today (thread: 
[389-users] nsDS5ReplicaCredentials confusion).

Thanks,

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Tethys
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind
> migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. I've
> had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are
> professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives. Framemaker would have been my first choice, but that
ceased to exist long ago. Scribus was my first port of call in the
FOSS world, being the closest I could get to that. Maybe it's improved
recently, but when I looked at it a few years ago, it was *terrible*.
Slow, *very* buggy and not well suited to my workflow. I tried various
other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.

Tet

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Re: [389-users] nsDS5ReplicaCredentials confusion

2013-03-07 Thread Jon Detert
- Original Message -
> From: "Rich Megginson" 
> To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project." 
> <389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc: "Jon Detert" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:44:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [389-users] nsDS5ReplicaCredentials confusion
> 
> On 03/07/2013 10:21 AM, Jon Detert wrote:
> > When setting up replication, I understand that you :
> >
> > a) create a dn on the consumer to be used as the 'bind-dn' for the
> > replica on the consumer;
> > b) create a replication agreement on the supplier, in which you
> > reference the bind dn from a).
> >
> > I have a couple questions about this:


Thanks!  Your replies cleared it all up for me.

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Joe Zeff

On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.


There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

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[389-users] Single Master replication : after master o.s. + dirsrv upgrade, replication fails with nsds5replicaLastInitStatus=3

2013-03-07 Thread Jon Detert
I have a single master replicating to 2 slaves.
The master is Fedora Directory Server v1.0.4
The slaves are 389-DirectoryServer v1.2.10.

This has been working fine.

I tried to replace the single master with the same ds software as the slaves 
(389-DirectoryServer v1.2.10), but I could not get replication to work.

I'm hoping someone can help me see what I did wrong.

What I did:
---
1) deleted the replication agreements from the Fedora ds master.
(Not sure this was necessary.  Thought it might leave the slave replicas in a 
state that would more cleanly accept new replication agreements).

2) replaced the fedora ds master with new o.s. running 389-ds v1.2.10.  Created 
new slapd instance, and loaded it with the same schema and data as was used in 
the fedora ds DIT.

3) created replication agreements (on the new master) with the 2 slaves.

What I see:
---
a) Immediately, the replication status was:
"nsds5replicaLastInitStatus: 3 Replication error acquiring replica: permission 
denied"

b) On the master, /var/log/dirsrv/slapd-madds1/errors says this:
"NSMMReplicationPlugin - agmt="cn=o-ihccom-to-madds2" (madds2:389): Unable to 
acquire replica: permission denied. The bind dn "uid=replica-manager,cn=config" 
does not have permission to supply replication updates to the replica. Will 
retry later."

c) On the slaves, /var/log/dirsrv/slapd-madds2/errors says this:
"NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=34 op=3 replica="dc=example,dc=com": Unable to 
acquire replica: error: permission denied"

d) The following query on a slave, shows that the bind-dn used by the master is 
correct:
ldapsearch -x -LLL -D 'cn=directory manager' -W -b cn=config -s sub  
objectclass=nsds5replica
yields output like this:
dn: cn=replica,cn=dc\3Dexample\2Cdc\3Dcom,cn=mapping tree,cn=config
objectClass: top
objectClass: nsds5replica
objectClass: extensibleObject
cn: replica
nsDS5ReplicaRoot: dc=example,dc=com
nsDS5ReplicaType: 2
nsDS5ReplicaBindDN: uid=replica-manager,cn=config
nsDS5Flags: 0
nsDS5ReplicaId: 65535
nsState:: //8AAADDxzdRAA==
nsDS5ReplicaName: edb50b02-86af11e2-9dc2a557-8005a77d
nsds5ReplicaChangeCount: 0
nsds5replicareapactive: 0

Thanks for any insight you offer.
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Is there a way to disable access point roaming in F18 NetworkManager?

2013-03-07 Thread Bill Oliver

Folk,

Sitting here at work, I notice that my wireless crashes about every two
or three minutes.  When I check my /var/log/messages, I see that I am
roaming between two access points associated with the same ESSID that
serves my whole building.  Both access points are reasonably strong, but
fluctuate a bit in signal strength.

The repeated and constant switching of access points is a big hit on my 
wireless performance.


I vaguely remember an option in NetworkManager to disallow roaming, but
I can't find it.

Does anybody know how to stop this?  I looked at the man page for nmcli,
but didn't see anything about roaming...

Config  --

Box: Toshiba Satellite L875D laptop, AMD A8-4500M w/ Radeon HD 7640G,
RealTek wireless

uname -a: Linux localhost.localdomain 3.8.1-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu
Feb 28 19:23:08 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Desktop: KDE 4.9.5

Thanks!

bill("reformed thread hijacker")o
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Re: Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting.

2013-03-07 Thread David Highley
"Erik P. Olsen wrote:"
> 
> I believe this has been brought up before but I havn't seen a solution to it.
> 
> Google-chrome is set to be default browser, in Preferred Applications Web 
> Browser is set to launch G-C for hyper links etc. Nevertheless when a link in 
> TB 
> is selected Firefox is launched and what is equally bad is that Firefox is 
> then 
> set to be default.
> 
> What can be done to change this behaviour short of reporting a bug in 
> bugzilla?

Check for mime file settings that maybe overriding settings. In your
home directory do:
find . -type -name "*mime*"

> 
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Re: Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting.

2013-03-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:55:57 +0100
Erik P. Olsen wrote:

> What can be done to change this behaviour short of reporting a bug in 
> bugzilla?

That probably wouldn't do any good either :-).

The real problem is that there is no such thing as a "default" anything.

There are some vague rules written by the freedesktop folks,
then there are the 47 million programs which can launch web
browsers which may or may not pay attention to the "rules".

See: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/mimes.html

I decrypted enough stuff that I was able to tell claws-mail
to open links with xdg-open and then have that invoke google-chrome,
but there are other things I have yet to have any luck with
(like getting google-chrome to pass .torrent links to
ktorrent - magnets yes, torrents no :-).
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Thunderbird does not respect the default browser setting.

2013-03-07 Thread Erik P. Olsen

I believe this has been brought up before but I havn't seen a solution to it.

Google-chrome is set to be default browser, in Preferred Applications Web 
Browser is set to launch G-C for hyper links etc. Nevertheless when a link in TB 
is selected Firefox is launched and what is equally bad is that Firefox is then 
set to be default.


What can be done to change this behaviour short of reporting a bug in bugzilla?

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:34:48 + Tethys  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
>  wrote:
> 
> > I installes texlive2012,
> > but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> > In additon, when I make,
> >
> > rpm -ql texlive
> > I get:
> > (contains no files)
> >
> > while:
> > rpm -q texlive
> > texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> >
> > Whould I finish the install manually?
> 
> TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
> there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
> critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
> typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
> version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Never used ConTeXt, but my experience, and I use LaTeX everyday
(sometimes every waking hour) is to the contrary. There are a lot of
sty files that have been broken up now, but that involves installing
the corresponding texlive-*.sty: a bit frustrating at times perhaps, but
this was supposed to happen as per the texlive-2012 proposal (and since
this is a one-time installation deal) not a big deal at all.

I do keep track of whatever I install so that in the future, if I
install texlive somewhere else, I just cut and paste a line and don't
miss the sty's. Currently, that line stands at:

sudo yum install
texlive-{subfigure,biblatex,bbm-macros,subfig,multirow,comment,relsize,arydshln,was,wrapfig,lastpage,endfloat,nonfloat,mathabx,mathabx-type1}

So, I am a pretty satisfied customer wrt LaTeX on Fedora.

Hopefully I am not speaking too soon!
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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Tethys
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
 wrote:

> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
>
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
>
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>
> Whould I finish the install manually?

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Tet

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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 12:59 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: 
> >>
> >> I installes texlive2012,
> >> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> >> In additon, when I make,
> >>
> >> rpm -ql texlive
> >> I get:
> >> (contains no files)
> >>
> >> while:
> >> rpm -q texlive
> >> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> >>
> >> Whould I finish the install manually?
> >
> > [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts
> >
> >  N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
> > 
>>[...trim replies, please!..] 
> >
> 
> OK, THis is correct,
> 
> but
> 
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
> 
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.
> 
> 
> and
> 
> tex testfont.tex
> Name of the font to test =
> fourier
> kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source  
> abbreviation  for fourier.
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
> mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;  
> nonstopmode; input fourier
> This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)
> 
> 
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
> ! I can't find file `fourier'.

$ sudo yum search fourier
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
updates/pkgtags  |  333 B 
00:00 
= N/S Matched: fourier 
=
gimp-fourier-plugin.x86_64 : A simple plug-in to do fourier transform 
on your
   : image
texlive-fourier-doc.noarch : Documentation for fourier
texlive-fouriernc.noarch : Use New Century Schoolbook text with Fourier 
maths
 : fonts
texlive-fouriernc-doc.noarch : Documentation for fouriernc
fftw.i686 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw.x86_64 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw2.i686 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
fftw2.x86_64 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
perl-Math-FFT.x86_64 : Perl module to calculate Fast Fourier Transforms
texlive-fourier.noarch : Using Utopia fonts in LaTeX documents


So 'yum install texlive-fourier'.

The TeXLive packaging system is set up so you don't have to install
everything if you don't need it. The groups within the TeXLive hierarchy
are called schemes.

$ sudo yum list tex\*scheme\*
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
texlive-scheme-basic.noarch 2:svn25923.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
@updates
Available Packages
texlive-scheme-context.noarch   2:svn26699.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-full.noarch  2:svn21417.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-gust.noarch  2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-medium.noarch2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-minimal.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-small.noarch 2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-tetex.noarch 2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-xml.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 


So if you want everything at once, install texlive-scheme-full.
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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 07.03.2013 12:59, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
> 
>>>
>>> I installes texlive2012,
>>> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
>>> In additon, when I make,
>>>
>>> rpm -ql texlive
>>> I get:
>>> (contains no files)
>>>
>>> while:
>>> rpm -q texlive
>>> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>>>
>>> Whould I finish the install manually?
>>
>> [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts
>>
>>  N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
>> 
> 
> OK, THis is correct,

means?

> but
> 
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
> 
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.

and you have installed "texlive-fourier"?
why are you never able to provide infos without request them?

rpm -qa | grep texlive-fourier




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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick Dupre




I installes texlive2012,
but apparently the fonts are not installed!
In additon, when I make,

rpm -ql texlive
I get:
(contains no files)

while:
rpm -q texlive
texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

Whould I finish the install manually?


[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with  
TeX/LaTeX support

texlive-bbm.noarch : "Blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for "blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum  
family of fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous  
old German fonts

texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian  
Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general  
usage and for philology

texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for  
context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various  
fonts for use in ConTeXt

texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual math fonts
texlive-fc.noarch : Fonts for African languages
texlive-

Re: Fedora 18 - from minimal to desktop system

2013-03-07 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 07.03.2013 12:47, Alan Gagne wrote:
>> Is it possible to first do minimal Fedora 18 installation and then using
>> one or two commands (yum ??) install every package that is included in
>> GNOME desktop installation done by Anaconda? Maybe it's more question
>> about the name of meta-package that will pull all needed dependencies. I
>> can't find the right package name.
>
> Try yum grouplist to see the packaged groups.
> I think you want to install GNOME Desktop.
>
> Alan
>
>

Thanks! I totally forgot about package groups. I must try this approach.


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RE: Fedora 18 - from minimal to desktop system

2013-03-07 Thread Alan Gagne

Is it possible to first do minimal Fedora 18 installation and then using
one or two commands (yum ??) install every package that is included in
GNOME desktop installation done by Anaconda? Maybe it's more question
about the name of meta-package that will pull all needed dependencies. I
can't find the right package name.


Try yum grouplist to see the packaged groups.
I think you want to install GNOME Desktop.

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Fedora 18 - from minimal to desktop system

2013-03-07 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
Is it possible to first do minimal Fedora 18 installation and then using
one or two commands (yum ??) install every package that is included in
GNOME desktop installation done by Anaconda? Maybe it's more question
about the name of meta-package that will pull all needed dependencies. I
can't find the right package name.


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Re: texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 07.03.2013 12:32, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
> Hello,
> 
> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
> 
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
> 
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> 
> Whould I finish the install manually?

[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with TeX/LaTeX 
support
texlive-bbm.noarch : "Blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for "blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum family of 
fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous old German 
fonts
texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general usage and 
for philology
texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various fonts for 
use in ConTeXt
texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual m

texlive

2013-03-07 Thread Patrick Dupre

Hello,

I installes texlive2012,
but apparently the fonts are not installed!
In additon, when I make,

rpm -ql texlive
I get:
(contains no files)

while:
rpm -q texlive
texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

Whould I finish the install manually?

Thank.

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Re: java installation issues

2013-03-07 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 06 March 2013, Dave Stevens sent:
> Package 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.9-2.3.7.0.fc18.x86_64 already  
> installed and latest version Nothing to do
> 
> So I assume it needs to be enabled in Firefox, but Firefox preferences
> shows javascript enabled. 

As has been pointed out, they're two entirely different things.  The
similarity in names is down to corporate-style bad behaviour of copying
names to jump on someone else's bandwagon.

Additionally, I'll point out that there are separate preferences to
enable/disable each of them in Firefox.  And you may have to look
through plug-ins set-ups regarding Java.

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Re: F18 problem moving directory data between machines

2013-03-07 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> Or some other-than-Nautilus GUI tool.  Nautilus is semi-okay as a
>> file browser, but is too simple for proper file management.  I found
>> emelfm2 to be a good alternative.

Paul Erickson:
> Thanks very much. I have it installed, just have to figure out how to 
> get it to point to the other computer on the network.

If you're using NFS, and have autofs set up on the client, then you can
browse to /net/remote-computer-hostname/exported-directory-name.

There's probably something similar for Samba, but I found Samba so
irritating that I haven't used it for years (a Windows networking scheme
bludgeoned into Linux).

Other GUI tools, like the KDE Konqueror, which I haven't used for years,
let you use various different protocols to access remote shares, by
specifying the protocol before the path, rather like you do in a web
browser (e.g. http://example.com/ or ftp://example.com/).  I think Samba
used the smb:// prefix.

If you've mounted the remote share, then you just browse to the mount
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Re: Problem with installing google-chrome

2013-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 07.03.2013 10:46, schrieb g:
> 
> On 03/07/2013 05:15 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> <<>>
>> Well you can also do that with Google-Chrome - I have 4 or 5 search 
>> engines installedand
>> rarely use Google.
> ---
> wake up. open tired eyes a little wider and look under [Help] button
> where you will see an 'About'. click it.
> 
> who distributes chrome?

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Re: Problem with installing google-chrome

2013-03-07 Thread g

On 03/07/2013 05:15 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:
<<>>
> Well you can also do that with Google-Chrome - I have 4 or 5 search 
> engines installedand
> rarely use Google.
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