[389-users] How to enable directory browsing and Search People in Outlook 2013?
I have setup 389 Server on CentOS and configure the followings. I am able to search with Advanced Find using Address Book, but when I click on the Name only in the search option, I cannot list all users in ou=Peoples,dc=example,dc=com and I cannot use the Search People in the ribbon bar to search for users. # Replace ldap:///all (authentified users) by ldap:///anyone (everyone, including anonymous) # old aci: (targetattr != aci)(version 3.0; acl VLV Request Control; allow(read ,search, compare) userdn = ldap:///all;;) dn: oid=2.16.840.1.113730.3.4.9,cn=features,cn=config changetype: modify replace: aci aci: (targetattr != aci)(version 3.0; acl VLV Request Control; allow(read,search,compare) userdn = ldap:///anyone;;) # Add a special index for Outlook VLV dn: cn=Outlook Browse,cn=userRoot,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config changetype: add cn: Outlook Browse objectClass: top objectClass: vlvsearch aci: (targetattr != aci)(version 3.0; acl VLV Request Control; allow(read,search,compare) userdn = ldap:///anyone;;) vlvBase: ou=Users,dc=example,dc=com vlvFilter: ((mail=*)(cn=*)) vlvScope: 2 dn: cn=Outlook Browse Index,cn=Outlook Browse,cn=userRoot,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config changetype: add cn: Outlook Browse Index objectClass: top objectClass: vlvindex aci: (targetattr != aci)(version 3.0; acl VLV Request Control; allow(read,search,compare) userdn = ldap:///anyone;;) vlvEnabled: 1 vlvSort: cn -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: converting text to pdf
Tom Horsley wrote: You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like such as? to print anything you like to the virtual pdf printer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
On 06/16/13 18:29, Timothy Murphy wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like such as? Such as lpr. Installing cups-pdf creates a printer called Cups-PDF. So, you would use lpr -P Cups-PDF whatever And you'd get a whatever.pdf on your desktop (default behavior). -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Tom Horsley: You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like Timothy Murphy: such as? Any program that can print to the printer, and you can select which printer it prints to. You choose the PDF printout option. Having said that, I haven't got cups-pdf installed, yet if I call up the print requester to print something (such as this email), and pick the print-to-file option, I have options to produce a file that's PDF, Postscript, or SVG. And they all work. ~]$ rpm -qa cups\* cups-libs-1.5.4-18.fc17.i686 cups-pk-helper-0.2.2-2.fc17.x86_64 cups-libs-1.5.4-18.fc17.x86_64 cups-1.5.4-18.fc17.x86_64 As far as the original poster's question is concerned, I have printed landscape documents, with text and diagrams. I used OpenOffice.org, or the LibreOffice version, and used its own export as PDF function. There are some advantages to using one or the other, it depends on what you're doing. Supposedly, using an export option in a desktop publishing program should give you more control over layout, and maybe more coherent placement of text. Ever tried highlighting and copying text from a PDF? Sometimes it can be impossible to get several paragraphs to copy in a sensible order. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB printer connection
Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Fred Smith sent: Samba would be useful if you had windoze machines on the network that wanted to use the printer, assuming wanted to share it out from a linux box. I've always found dealing with Samba's shenanigans much more effort than configuring Windows to print to a printer using HTTP/IPP (i.e. CUPS). Quite apart from the mess that you need to deal with to get a printer going through Samba, it's yet another thing in the middle, and it's completely unnecessary. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB printer connection
Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Reindl Harald sent: these days printers with WLAN and Ethernet are cheap why bother with workarounds while virtually nobody is still using non-network-capabale printers? Because many modern printers are crap? They just get worse and worse (short lifespan, expensive and miniscule ink or toner supplies). My old HP printer is old enough to legally drink and vote. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB printer connection
Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Doug sent: I have put a JetDirect into an HP2200D and it works, mostly. But when I run a self-test, the paper shows an IP address of 192.168.0.149. If I ping that IP, I get inknown host. Anybody know any more about the JetDirect? If I had a static address for the printer that worked, I would set up the computer or the router to use that static IP. A printer doesn't have to respond to pings, it only has to print. It may respond to pings, but the network name you see on the command line, if there is one, is how your computer has resolved the IP to a name. If you want to have a hostname associated with that IP, then either put it into your /etc/hosts file, or into your DNS server (if you have one). And, the printer will need to stay fixed to the same IP. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
On 06/16/2013 12:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/16/13 18:29, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Tom Horsley wrote:
You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like
such as?
Such as lpr.
Installing cups-pdf creates a printer called Cups-PDF.
So, you would use
lpr -P Cups-PDF whatever
And you'd get a whatever.pdf on your desktop (default behavior).
Ed,
In my /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf, the default output is:
### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
Kind regards
Joachim Backes
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Re: converting text to pdf
On 06/16/13 19:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 06/16/2013 12:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/16/13 18:29, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Tom Horsley wrote:
You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like
such as?
Such as lpr.
Installing cups-pdf creates a printer called Cups-PDF.
So, you would use
lpr -P Cups-PDF whatever
And you'd get a whatever.pdf on your desktop (default behavior).
Ed,
In my /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf, the default output is:
### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
Kind regards
Joachim Backes
Here, on F18 it is
### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
#Out /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
Out ${DESKTOP}
So, Out is defined thus making it put the Output on the Desktop...
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Re: converting text to pdf
On 06/16/13 20:41, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/16/13 19:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 06/16/2013 12:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/16/13 18:29, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Tom Horsley wrote:
You could install cups-pdf then use any tool you like
such as?
Such as lpr.
Installing cups-pdf creates a printer called Cups-PDF.
So, you would use
lpr -P Cups-PDF whatever
And you'd get a whatever.pdf on your desktop (default behavior).
Ed,
In my /etc/cups/cups-pdf.conf, the default output is:
### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
Kind regards
Joachim Backes
Here, on F18 it is
### Default: /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
#Out /var/spool/cups-pdf/${USER}
Out ${DESKTOP}
So, Out is defined thus making it put the Output on the Desktop...
And what I meant to add was that this is a newly installed packageso by
default I meant the Fedora configured default and not the default if
Out is undefined in the config file. :-)
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Re: converting text to pdf
My method, [command] | a2ps [options] -o - | ps2pdf - [output file name] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB printer connection
On 06/16/2013 07:21 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Fred Smith sent: Samba would be useful if you had windoze machines on the network that wanted to use the printer, assuming wanted to share it out from a linux box. I've always found dealing with Samba's shenanigans much more effort than configuring Windows to print to a printer using HTTP/IPP (i.e. CUPS). Quite apart from the mess that you need to deal with to get a printer going through Samba, it's yet another thing in the middle, and it's completely unnecessary. I have never used SAMBAbut I've always been told (by Windows admins no less!...LOL!) that it was the easiest thing in the world to useis it not so? EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus arad...@gmail.com writes: Well I don't know what do you need exactly, but in my own experience, the best way for configure a document right and get it in pdf is to compose it with LaTeX, but if you're not familiarised with it perhaps will be better to use Scribus or if you onle need a couple of sheets, with inkscape or gimp will be enough. Like I said, tables that may go over several pages are a pita with LaTeX. There are some packages to handle them, and the ones I tried failed miserably. If that was working, the output would look a lot better. The files are created and maintained with perl scripts and some manual intervention, and messing with many (i. e. 30--150) files manually in Scribus or gimp is not an option. Inkscape is for drawings, it seems ... -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Terry Polzin foxec...@wowway.com writes: My method, [command] | a2ps [options] -o - | ps2pdf - [output file name] Thanks, a2ps looks somewhat promising with options like: a2ps --borders=0 -B --columns=1 -l 150 Apparently it doesn't do line breaks and prints the ends of long lines outside the page, so I might have to check line length in my script which would be a good idea anyway. -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: As far as the original poster's question is concerned, I have printed landscape documents, with text and diagrams. I used OpenOffice.org, or the LibreOffice version, and used its own export as PDF function. I ruled out Libreoffice quite a while ago because it isn't up to the task. Not even a simple mailmerge worked without crashing LO, and the closer I looked at it, the more bugs I found that were getting in the way. So I went with LaTeX (and had to do without tables for that part because LaTeX cannot reasonably handle tables that may go over several pages and may contain tables --- which is something LO does just fine). For anything serious and/or versatile/flexible, you can't get around LaTeX. Besides, things like LO come and go, and after a couple years, you might not be able to read your documents anymore: The effort you'd have to spend on learning how to program LO is much better spent on learning more about LaTeX (and maybe perl) because those will very likely still be around in another twenty years or so when LO may be long gone. There are some advantages to using one or the other, it depends on what you're doing. Supposedly, using an export option in a desktop publishing program should give you more control over layout, DTP programs and WYSIWYG word processors and/or so-called office software like Libreoffice are totally different worlds. WYSIWYG word processors don't even have the /concept/ of pages. Try to do something with a page in one and you'll find that you need a DTP program. Did they add a DTP module to LO now? If they did, I might even install LO just to try out the DTP part. and maybe more coherent placement of text. Uhm, did you ever try to coherently place text (and/or other stuff that goes on pages) with Scribus? About 15 years ago, you could do that with Timeworks Publisher and Ventura if you could find the time to between having to reboot every 3--20 minutes. Sadly, Scribus totally misses the point of a DTP program. It's like gimp, except that Scribus deals with pages and gimp doesn't. Ever tried highlighting and copying text from a PDF? Sometimes it can be impossible to get several paragraphs to copy in a sensible order. Yes, I use xpdf for that. Most of the other pdf viewers don't even let you mark some text. There's also pdf2text or so, so you can puzzle something together. -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 04:10:43 +0200 lee wrote: BTW, how would I control where cups puts the pdf files it creates? Nope. Like virtually everything else, it puts the files where the linux developers think they obviously belong (until the next developers come along and change where they go :-). I think they wind up in ~/Documents, but I'm not sure. At some time (and maybe still), cups gave you a choice between sending them by email and putting them into some directory in the users home. None of that is what I need in this case. -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On 06/15/2013 08:40 PM, lee wrote: When the hardware has gone so bad that I can't start mcelog anymore, I very likely can't retrieve information from the logfiles, either, without fixing the problem first. As long as it's not the drive itself that went bad you can always connect it to another, working computer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz writes: On 16/06/13 16:03, lee wrote: SNIP Like I said, tables that may go over several pages are a pita with LaTeX. There are some packages to handle them, and the ones I tried failed miserably. If that was working, the output would look a lot better. I have had good experiences with the longtable package. Does this not do what you need? Nope, there were all kinds of problems with it. IIRC, I tried two different packages, one them being longtable, and I couldn't produce the output I needed. I don't remember exactly all the problems ... Either the table wouldn't fit or wouldn't go on over pages or was misplaced, or things got broken because environments were used inside the table which the table couldn't handle. Try a table that goes over several pages and has tables and enumerations inside of it, something like that ... What I'm dealing with now is emacs org mode tables: a simple table with three columns and an undefined number of rows, one per file. That's much easier to edit for me than a LaTeX source creating such a table. I could make a perl script to convert these tables to something LaTeX would understand, but I'm very reluctant to go to such lengths just to find out that it doesn't really work with multi-page tables anyway. Converting these org files into PDF shouldn't be so difficult :) -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 06/15/2013 08:40 PM, lee wrote: When the hardware has gone so bad that I can't start mcelog anymore, I very likely can't retrieve information from the logfiles, either, without fixing the problem first. As long as it's not the drive itself that went bad you can always connect it to another, working computer. Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On 06/16/2013 05:25 PM, lee wrote: Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? Are you saying that you have the only computer in the world with that hardware? If so, you have only yourself to blame; if not, you're only looking for excuses. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 06/16/2013 05:25 PM, lee wrote: Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? Are you saying that you have the only computer in the world with that hardware? If so, you have only yourself to blame; if not, you're only looking for excuses. Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly running. Let me give you a hint: Imagine you were travelling in an airplane and the plane crashed, leaving you stranded in a flat desert with only a small bottle of water and nothing but sand around for 500 miles in all directions. You can blame yourself for not bringing more water, and it is pretty irrelevant that the water in your bottle may not be the only water that exists in the world. If you were to say that the amount of water you can carry on an airplane is limited, I could always tell you that you're looking for excuses. And if you had brought an altimeter, would that help you now in any way? -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Tim: As far as the original poster's question is concerned, I have printed landscape documents, with text and diagrams. I used OpenOffice.org, or the LibreOffice version, and used its own export as PDF function. lee: I ruled out Libreoffice quite a while ago because it isn't up to the task. Not even a simple mailmerge worked without crashing LO, and the closer I looked at it, the more bugs I found that were getting in the way. So I went with LaTeX (and had to do without tables for that part because LaTeX cannot reasonably handle tables that may go over several pages and may contain tables --- which is something LO does just fine). Well, the point was about using some program that lets you create a page in the way that you preview it, and it will print quite close to how the preview looked... (Most actual print-outs seem to have some differences.) For what it's worth, I've never tried mail merge at home, but I have tried it on Microsoft's Office (some time ago), and found *that* buggy as hell. But I'm not surprised. Just about all programs let you down in some area, often because what you wanted to do was not considered important, or even known about, by the program author. They wrote it to solve their own problems, if it's useful for anyone else, that's just a bonus. For anything serious and/or versatile/flexible, you can't get around LaTeX. Besides, things like LO come and go, and after a couple years, you might not be able to read your documents anymore: The effort you'd have to spend on learning how to program LO is much better spent on learning more about LaTeX (and maybe perl) because those will very likely still be around in another twenty years or so when LO may be long gone. Well, OpenOffice.org has been around for many years, somewhere around as long as Fedora, if I recall correctly (it was StarOffice, before). LibreOffice is newer, so I'm not that willing to predict its longevity. Like OpenOffice.org, we could only predict the longevity of LaTex by past experience, it *could* disappear tomorrow, if the authors give up, or some patent arsehole goes after it. Or you could be stuck with your distro or Operating System not supporting it. I have been bitten by office software using proprietary data formats, long ago, being left with mostly unusable data. It could be hand-scraped, to try and get all the data out of the crap. But fortunately, I really only cared about two documents on file, the rest had been printed, and that was good enough for us. OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice use an open document format, so future use of old data should not be impossible. I have looked at Tex/LaTeX in the past, and considered it akin to learning to use an offset press, mechanically, by hand. Unless I had a real use for it, such as providing print-ready data to an actual printing house, I don't consider it worth my time. DTP programs and WYSIWYG word processors and/or so-called office software like Libreoffice are totally different worlds. WYSIWYG word processors don't even have the /concept/ of pages. Try to do something with a page in one and you'll find that you need a DTP program. Did they add a DTP module to LO now? If they did, I might even install LO just to try out the DTP part. I didn't say that. I mentioned two different things, in two different paragraphs: (1) I've used OpenOffice and LibreOffice to do what the original post talked about. And (2) using an export option in a desktop publishing program should give you more control over layout, and maybe more coherent placement of text. Now, I'll emphasise that second one even more - exporting from a DTP program *should* give you *more* control over layout. I have used DTP software, in the past, and I'm well aware of the differences between them. Hence what I said, earlier. I don't agree that word processors (of the kind like in OpenOffice, etc), don't have a concept of pages. They don't do a particularly good job at it, but there are page-related controls and features. Some of which sort-of work. e.g. Widow and orphan control finally being included, a few years back. Though you still had to manually reconfigure things so that the program couldn't stupidly put a page break between a heading and the following content. Geez, that ought to be preset, by default. No matter what software you use, you're still left with having to hand-control certain things. Like manually using no-break spaces in the middle of phone numbers, between Mr and surname, and other similar things, because that's just lousy presentation. And we're still left with exceedingly inadequate keyboards for doing the most basic of punctuation (proper dashes, proper quotes, etc). and maybe more coherent placement of text. Uhm, did you ever try to coherently place text (and/or other stuff that goes on pages) with Scribus? I've only vaguely played with Scribus, I found it horrible. Luckily I don't have a real need for DTP,
Re: USB printer connection
Tim: I've always found dealing with Samba's shenanigans much more effort than configuring Windows to Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: I have never used SAMBAbut I've always been told (by Windows admins no less!...LOL!) that it was the easiest thing in the world to useis it not so? Probably easier to manage than what they're used to doing (Windows making you juggle straight razors, without handles, soaked in petrol, above a naked flame). While it wasn't too hard (using Samba) to share in one direction, it was a nuisance to have to add users on each client (because Samba handled users separately than the system), and the mucking around that was needed to configure printer drivers to run a printer through it... Everything about printing on Windows was a pain in the arse. Each client needed the printer set up on, and drivers configured on each client. Compared to Linux just needing the printer set up on the computer it was attached to, and all the clients sending standard printer data to the CUPS server that was automatically found by all the clients. Samba may have improved since then, but the mentality of it was all wrong (done in the Windows mindset). Don't drag Linux down to their level. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 17.06.2013 03:44, schrieb lee: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: well, most people on Linux are using mdraid to avoid the useless question about compatible hardware RAID controller because it is pretty useless to have a RAID with a single-point-of-failure in form the controller How do these people answer questions like how to connect 10+ SATA and/or SAS devices to their computers at the same time, how not to create a bottleneck with software raid and how to eliminate every possible single point of failure? why should these people do this with local disks? Maybe because they want to find to a balance between cost and usefulness that they are happy with. such things are done with SAN-storages with typically *two* conrollers for failover, if you rely on *one* single controller and nothing else can read your RAID you should hire someone with knowledge Yay, sure, I'll send you the bills. but what the hell has this to do with mcelog.service It seems to be part of an attempt, directed by invalid assumptions, to explain how running mcelog all the time might be useful. since nobody but you is using 10 SAS disks local attached Why would you assume that I do this? hint: in such setups *you get* replacement controllers and disks by SLA's with the manufacturer within hours Ok, and I send you the bills. *you said* how can a different machine read my RAID well, normally this question should be answered *before* put any data on it Someone assumed that reading what mcelog might put into a log file was easily possible even when the hardware is too broken to allow this. I merely questioned this assumption. Are you assuming that most ppl using Linux have fallback systems with independent internet connections and emergency power generators standing by that automatically take over seamlessly when something with their used system or around it fails? pff you do not need independent internet connections and power generators to plug software-raids to whatever computer because you can plug them with any SATA-to-USB and mdraid will recognize the array based on UUID's You're missing the point which was someones assumption that a particular component must be useless because it can be spf. I was merely asking if there's also the assumption that ppl go to all the considerable lengths required to avoid spfs (so that the components they are using aren't useless). Don't try to hold me responsible for other ppls logic, flawed or not. -- Object-oriented programming languages aren't completely convinced that you should be allowed to do anything with functions. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 17.06.2013 04:09, schrieb lee: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: On 06/16/2013 05:25 PM, lee wrote: Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? Are you saying that you have the only computer in the world with that hardware? If so, you have only yourself to blame; if not, you're only looking for excuses. Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly running *you* started this thread with is the mcelog.service of any use to me? people explained you why it *could* be useable No, they explained what it is supposed to do and made invalid assumptions. Their point seems to be that it could be useful for instances when the logged output of mcelog helps you to figure out what might be wrong with your hardware. I agree with that, yet my points that I'm better off fixing the hardware right away rather than going to the lengths that I'd have to go to to figure out what the logged output is in case the hardware is too badly broken to obtain the logged output and that, in case the hardware isn't broken that badly, I might still be able to run mcelog to get useful output, remain. why do you ask if you are knowing it better? so disable it and stop trolling If I did, I wouldn't have asked. Where's your argument here? Are you trying to say that when I'm left with badly broken hardware, I'd be better off going to lengths to retrieve logfiles --- which might tell me nothing --- rather than fixing the hardware right away so there would be a reason to keep mcelog running? If so, why or how would that be? is it really that hard? I don't know what your problem is. P.S.: and do not forget to disable a couple of other services which are not hardly needed and enabled by default I've done that with a few. Do you have any in particular in mind? I probably didn't find all the things I might not need. -- Object-oriented programming languages aren't completely convinced that you should be allowed to do anything with functions. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:25 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? In this situation I'd be much more concerned about all the data I lost since my last backup and I would be extremely annoyed that several perfectly good drives are now paperweights. I wouldn't much care what exactly caused the machine to fail. ;-) But really, this is an edge case. Most people have some means of plugging their disks into another machine for forensic purposes, so this is useful to many. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net writes: Am 17.06.2013 04:29, schrieb lee: You're missing the point which was someones assumption that a particular component must be useless because it can be spf. I was merely asking if there's also the assumption that ppl go to all the considerable lengths required to avoid spfs (so that the components they are using aren't useless). Don't try to hold me responsible for other ppls logic, flawed or not it was *your* argumentation that *you* can not pull your disks in a different machine because there is only one controller on earth which can read your disks I haven't said that anywhere. - this is usually *not* true for others because they have spare controllers or not using hardware RAID and if *you* do not need mcelog.service disable it and stop your uselles discussion why *you* can not read logfiles if your system does not boot, others can Why don't you just stop claiming I said things I didn't say? Are you doing this so you have something to get upset about? hence in professional environment you even use the --syslog option and have logs on different machines where you can read them even if the machine including disks and controller is dead You can always do that if you have several computers at hand to direct log outputs to. What's your argument here? That I should get some more computers so that I can always read what mcelog might have to say? I'd have to disappoint you because I don't plan on running some kind of server farm just for that. -- Object-oriented programming languages aren't completely convinced that you should be allowed to do anything with functions. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: install the plugin of the Adobe Flash Player
On 10.06.2013 06:28, Lingxian Guo wrote: Just but unfamiliar，I am using Fedora 18 64bit .The plugin of the Adobe Flash Player should be installed to Firefox,I do not know how to do? http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Flash plugin RPM installed but not being used by Firefix
On 06.06.2013 14:46, Gary Stainburn wrote: Hi folks. I've followed the instructions to install the flash plugin by downloading the YUM version and then installing the RPM. I got no errors when doing any of this. However, flash still does not work in Firefox. If I do 'about:plugins' it isn't listed. Any suggestions on what to try next. All I'm getting from Google is variations of the same instructions I've already done. http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Software about playing movie and TV
Who can recommend a popular software about playing movie and TV ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting text to pdf
Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au writes: lee: I ruled out Libreoffice quite a while ago because it isn't up to the task. Not even a simple mailmerge worked without crashing LO, and the closer I looked at it, the more bugs I found that were getting in the way. So I went with LaTeX (and had to do without tables for that part because LaTeX cannot reasonably handle tables that may go over several pages and may contain tables --- which is something LO does just fine). Well, the point was about using some program that lets you create a page in the way that you preview it, and it will print quite close to how the preview looked... Hm, that wasn't my point/question, maybe I overlooked something? LO did do a good job with exporting to PDF last time I used it. For what it's worth, I've never tried mail merge at home, but I have tried it on Microsoft's Office (some time ago), and found *that* buggy as hell. But I'm not surprised. Hm IIRC when I did that with M$ Office, I used an Access database and it worked just fine. Alas, there's nothing I know of for Linux that could keep up with Access. Just about all programs let you down in some area, often because what you wanted to do was not considered important, or even known about, by the program author. They wrote it to solve their own problems, if it's useful for anyone else, that's just a bonus. Still I'm finding it just amazing that it turns out to be so complicated to simply convert a text file into a pdf. LaTeX. Besides, things like LO come and go, and after a couple years, you might not be able to read your documents anymore: The effort you'd have to spend on learning how to program LO is much better spent on learning more about LaTeX (and maybe perl) because those will very likely still be around in another twenty years or so when LO may be long gone. Well, OpenOffice.org has been around for many years, somewhere around as long as Fedora, if I recall correctly (it was StarOffice, before). LibreOffice is newer, so I'm not that willing to predict its longevity. LO is the successor --- IIRC, someone bought whoever made SO and changed licensing or something, so the devs moved off and forked LO. Does SO even still exist? You might be surprised how old SO is ... Like OpenOffice.org, we could only predict the longevity of LaTex by past experience, it *could* disappear tomorrow, if the authors give up, or some patent arsehole goes after it. Or you could be stuck with your distro or Operating System not supporting it. Same is true for LO and other WYSIWYG word processors. My experience is that things like emacs, LaTeX and fvwm have been around for ages during which many WYSIWYG word processors came and go: hence the assumption that emacs, LaTeX and fvwm seem more likely to still be there when current WYSIWYG things like LO are gone. And there's one big advantage: Even if LaTeX and emacs would suddenly disappear, the ability to display (and edit) text is even more likely to remain than a particular piece of software used for this very purpose. I have LaTeX sources from almost 20 years ago and they are still fully useable. Without LaTeX, I'd still be able to read them. Try that with documents created with Ami Word, aztec, Applix, Signum and a lot of other software the name of which I don't even remember anymore. I'd almost bet that you'd encounter some problems to read Staroffice files that were created on OS/2 ~20 years ago despite SO has gone away only recently (or even still exists somewhere). Besides, I've yet to see any WYSIWYG word processor that comes even close to producing output with the quality you get from LaTeX. Factor in all the buggyness the software that has been around for ages doesn't have and you really start asking yourself why you should waste your time with learning something else ... I did, and I came back to the old stuff after finding out that I've been wasting my time and would be better off now if I had invested the learning effort at the right place to begin with. This stuff just works instead of having a million features tending to get into the way, features nobody needs, while not even getting the basics straight. Don't get me wrong, if you write a letter once or twice a year, you're probably better off with LO. If you want to write a book or many letters, you're better off with emacs and LaTeX --- or vi, I guess. If you like shuffling around windows on your screen a lot and staring at fancy effects and/or icons that slow your computer down, use maybe kde or gnome or compitz. If you want a great window manager, learn fvwm, and if you want a window manager that manages the windows for you instead of doing that yourself, use i3. And xterm also still works best ... I have been bitten by office software using proprietary data formats, long ago, being left with mostly unusable data. It could be hand-scraped, to try and get all the data out of the crap. yeah But fortunately, I
Re: mcelog.service
T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:25 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect the drives to? In this situation I'd be much more concerned about all the data I lost since my last backup and I would be extremely annoyed that several perfectly good drives are now paperweights. I wouldn't much care what exactly caused the machine to fail. ;-) But really, this is an edge case. Most people have some means of plugging their disks into another machine for forensic purposes, so this is useful to many. That's assuming that the controller fails? In that case, I'd have to replace it, just like any other piece of broken hardware. It's always annoying when you have to do that. How would running mcelog help me in this case? -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Software about playing movie and TV
LingxianGuo lingxian...@hotmail.com writes: Who can recommend a popular software about playing movie and TV ? If you want to record like from a TV card, kaffeine is easy to use (and currently doesn't work right). VLC and mplayer are nice for playing. There's also mythtv the design of which was flawed last time I tried, in that it didn't distinguish between users, and vdr --- which I could never get to work, probably because it supports only a few cards that have some sort of hardware encoder built in. There's also some gnome stuff in Fedora which proved to be completely unable to receive TV. -- Fedora 18 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On 06/16/2013 06:44 PM, lee wrote: Are you assuming that most ppl using Linux have fallback systems with independent internet connections and emergency power generators standing by that automatically take over seamlessly when something with their used system or around it fails? I can't speak for anybody else. However, I have both a desktop and a laptop, both using Fedora. My sister has her own computers, although they use Ubuntu. If my desktop were in doornail mode[1] and there were files that I needed on my hard drive that I needed right now, I'm sure that (with the help of a friend of mine who does my hardware work) I could get the drive hooked up to another computer long enough to get the files. You may not have a spare computer. However, you probably have at least one friend who could help, even if you had to use a Live CD because your friend only uses Windows. As long as the drive itself is working, there's a way to recover the data, although there may well not be an easy or fast way. [1]as in dead as a... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On 06/16/2013 07:09 PM, lee wrote: Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly running. I take it, then, that you've either never heard of logrotate or have some reason not to use it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ping -R on Fedora 18 d does not work (firewalld problem?)
Hello, I try: ping -R www.google.com I get: PING www.google.com (173.194.113.112) 56(124) bytes of data. but the list of nodes does not appear, and I wait for more than 5 minutes. traceroute www.google.com gives immediately the list of nodes. This is fedora 18, iptables stopped (and flushed), firewalld stopped. Could it be somehow due to not flushing firewalld rules ? (I don't know much about firewalld) regards, Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mcelog.service
On 06/16/2013 07:52 PM, lee wrote: No, they explained what it is supposed to do and made invalid assumptions. Their point seems to be that it could be useful for instances when the logged output of mcelog helps you to figure out what might be wrong with your hardware. Have you considered the possibility that there can be intermittent errors that might or might not be hardware related and that having the data from mcelog available could help you decide if it is or isn't your hardware *before* there's a catastrophic failure? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: USB printer connection
On 06/16/2013 10:23 PM, Tim wrote: Tim: I've always found dealing with Samba's shenanigans much more effort than configuring Windows to Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: I have never used SAMBAbut I've always been told (by Windows admins no less!...LOL!) that it was the easiest thing in the world to useis it not so? Probably easier to manage than what they're used to doing (Windows making you juggle straight razors, without handles, soaked in petrol, above a naked flame). While it wasn't too hard (using Samba) to share in one direction, it was a nuisance to have to add users on each client (because Samba handled users separately than the system), and the mucking around that was needed to configure printer drivers to run a printer through it... Everything about printing on Windows was a pain in the arse. Each client needed the printer set up on, and drivers configured on each client. Compared to Linux just needing the printer set up on the computer it was attached to, and all the clients sending standard printer data to the CUPS server that was automatically found by all the clients. Samba may have improved since then, but the mentality of it was all wrong (done in the Windows mindset). Don't drag Linux down to their level. WOW!going off of those statementsthen why is SAMBA still around?,,,I always thought the Open Source Universe was about finding and using software that Just Worked?...hmm.gonna have to look into this stuff! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
