Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively. GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: 1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN). 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list) 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account) 4. I pay Google for additional storage And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc...Google s the greatest search engine! This is fair enough to use Gmail even when one or two downsides exist. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:53 AM, AP worldwithoutfen...@gmail.com wrote: And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc.. That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my real name,and that's the way I like it). .Google s the greatest search engine! That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their needless inventions (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win). Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;) FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
[389-users] setup-ds-admin.pl --update and multiple masters
Hi, I have the following setup: ldap1.example.com ldap2.example.com They are in Multiple Master configuration. After normal yum updates, I run setup-ds-admin.pl --update 1. What does this script actually do with --update parameter? Does it only update version numbers for Console? 2. How do I update version numbers for the second MM? ldap2 is configured to use ldap1 as configuration server. Also netscaperoot and userroot have replication agreements both ways. So, I assumed that running setup-ds-admin.pl --update to ldaps://ldap1.example.com:636/o=NetscapeRoot would update numbers to both MM servers. But it doesn't and if I try to use ldaps://ldap2.example.com:636/o=NetscapeRoot script gives unknown error. Thanks! -Vesa -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my real name,and that's the way I like it). That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their needless inventions (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win). Well this is true and sometimes I also feel the old compose option was better in Gmail. Google always tend/desire to do some/many alterations, even when the company knows that it could be disliked by the vast audiences. But it has a democratic win. At least search engine is excellent and there are more no. of android phones nowadays than others. Well, I stop this off-topic here itself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford English makes such a big distinction between two words that share the same etymology and have no good reason for meaning different things. I doubt it. Fowler is pretty definite: Alternative (offering a choice) had formerly also the sense now belonging only to alternate (by turns); now that the differentiation is complete, confusion is even less excusable than between definite and definitive. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On 23 November 2013 00:10, Sanne Grinovero sanne.grinov...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI. I'm generally desktop agnostic, because I usually don't care as long as the DE stays behind whatever it is I actually want to run. Compiz was the only DE where you might have started the computer just to look at the DE. My problem with gnome shell wasn't the look, I tried it for more than a release cycle, it was more the abuse you had to put up with if you suggested there was anything less than perfect or room for improvement. I can't even remember what the last (minor) issue I had with gnome shell was, I do remember it was the responses I got that persuaded me to change. The few problems I've encountered with KDE, I've filed bugs, they've gotten fixed. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 19:58 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: The requirements for the installer is more than any desktop environment in Fedora making Fedora not really a good choice for lower end systems anyway. That is nuts. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
Tim: Going for the truly surreal analogy, were you? ;-) Chris Murphy: Not really. Surely, you couldn't have been anything but surreal... (With the driver's seat on the luggage rack or in the trunk.) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: ... snip ... Of course this isn't optimal, there are some downsides: 1. Gurgle has been fiddling with the user interface too much (if it ain't broke don't fix it, they' ve heard of it...) 2. The new GMail compose is awful (thank you Jason Cornwell) *NOT* 3. Luckily both points above can be fixed via the Firefox Stylish extension, and UAControl extension (to get the old compose). Can you post some instructions ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after New Compose) Get UAControl from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uacontrol/ Once installed, Go to Tools-UAControl Options Click add new site, type as site mail.google.com and as user-agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0) That will give you Old Compose Explanation: The Mail.google.com coders couldn't get the New Compose to work on IE8, so if Google detects you're using IE8 on GMail, it gives you the Old Compose. UAControl fakes the user agent ONLY for the domains you specify (in this case, mail.google.com). It will, of course, only work for as long as google keeps supporting IE8 for GMail, which likely won't be for very long, as they tend to follow Microsoft in their planned obsolescence cycles. :-( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence ...but in the meantime it's a good stopgap solution. The real solution will be for Google to permanently enable old compose as an option for those of us who prefer it. There's a petition here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/128/981/668/google-gmail-please-go-back-to-the-old-version-of-compose-email/ Sadly only 700 signatures so far... If History is any indication, Google engineers in their Ivory Towers don't give a rat's *ss about what we think... they think they know better... Oh, and you asked about the other part of the solution, it's the Firefox Stylish extension, grab it from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/stylish/ It lets you use any of the user developed styles on userstyles.org, including these for GMail: http://userstyles.org/styles/browse?search_terms=gmail My personal preference (which some surely might find odd but it suits my work style and my eyes are pleased with it) is the black background, green text terminal theme (that used to be great as developed by Google, until they turned it fugly with white-on-black text, and white background on compose), http://userstyles.org/styles/71798/gmail-terminal-all-black-background It looks like this: :) pic.twitter.com/PXMbZ8hU9A http://t.co/PXMbZ8hU9A Hope this helps you, and some other Fedora users... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :) Cheers! FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after New Compose) ... snip ... That will give you Old Compose THANK YOU! This has: saved my sanity, fixed my carpel tunnel, and given me back at least 5 minutes of each day that I was recently wasting on the extra mouse clicks and movements that were now needed to accomplish the simplest of tasks. ... snip ... ...but in the meantime it's a good stopgap solution. I'll take any form of relief from that new UI, even if its only for a few days. When the first introduced it, I tried it for a few minutes only to conclude how user un-friendly it was. So I immediately turned it off. Unfortunately when they turned it on permanently a few months ago, my productivity dropped, and I was ... extremely frustrated. The real solution will be for Google to permanently enable old compose as an option for those of us who prefer it. There's a petition here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/128/981/668/google-gmail-please-go-back-to-the-old-version-of-compose-email/ Sadly only 700 signatures so far... I had already signed it back in August (# 413) But like you said, Google won't listen, and we'll probably never get a usable UI back. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
[389-users] nsds5replicaLastInitStatus: -2 Total update abortedSystem error
Hi all, I have two LDAP servers in a multimaster replication setup that has worked fine for a while. Recently it was reported to me that the two LDAP servers had somehow gone out of sync and refused to replicate. I am trying to fix this by triggering an initialisation from what I've chosen to be authoritative source of data to the other using the instructions here: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/CDS/ag/8.0/Managing_Replication-Configuring-Replication-cmd.html#Configuring-Replication-InitializingConsumers-cmd When the replication is triggered, a few thousand lines appear on the remote side's log that look like this: [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=0 BIND dn=cn=Replication Manager,cn=config method=128 version=3 [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=1 dn=cn=replication manager,cn=config [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=1 SRCH base= scope=0 filter=(objectClass=*) attrs=supportedControl supportedExtension [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=101 nentries=1 etime=0 [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=2 SRCH base= scope=0 filter=(objectClass=*) attrs=supportedControl supportedExtension [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=2 RESULT err=0 tag=101 nentries=1 etime=0 [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=3 EXT oid=2.16.840.1.113730.3.5.12 name=replication-multimaster-extop [23/Nov/2013:15:00:07 +] conn=4402 op=3 RESULT err=0 tag=120 nentries=0 etime=0 [23/Nov/2013:15:00:08 +] conn=4402 op=4 EXT oid=2.16.840.1.113730.3.5.6 name=Netscape Replication Total Update Entry [23/Nov/2013:15:00:08 +] conn=4402 op=4 RESULT err=0 tag=120 nentries=0 etime=0 [23/Nov/2013:15:00:08 +] conn=4402 op=5 EXT oid=2.16.840.1.113730.3.5.6 name=Netscape Replication Total Update Entry [23/Nov/2013:15:00:08 +] conn=4402 op=5 RESULT err=0 tag=120 nentries=0 etime=0 [snip a few thousand log entries all saying err=0] The side that I initialised the replication from lists this message as the status, which is too vague to be useful: nsds5replicaLastInitStatus: -2 Total update abortedSystem error Does anyone know what the error -2 means? Does anyone have any clear and unambiguous instructions for re-initialising two LDAP servers that have gone out of sync? Regards, Graham -- -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On 11/22/2013 02:41 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: Pot meet kettle. by considering source, there is no pot or kettle. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
search engines [WAS: Why some say rpm hell]
On 11/23/2013 03:09 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly i used to use 'gaagle' until i found ixquick, which does not do all the tracking and such that gaagle does. i set a bookmark button in firefox 'menu bar' to open in _advanced_search_ mode for tighter searches. https://ixquick.com/eng/advanced-search.html i now get better search results and ixquick allows be to save a bookmark of search that i can use at a later time, along with modifying search parameters. That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome) one of many reason that i use firefox for browser. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On 11/22/2013 01:40 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. this is true. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. +1 on polite. as for finding his comments as impolite or insulting, i just consider source and let it go at that. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On 11/23/2013 01:35 AM, AP wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. My intention was not to handle someone with gloves continue with such an attitude and you will find your post will go unanswered. but I don't understand why people consider it being a troll type mail. i believe you are still taking offense to something that really does not read as such. Well, I find the reason. It happens that when you are new to Linux, you often ask something which is pretty easy or might have been asked earlier. being new to linux is not a justifiable excuse or reason. So what? another bad attitude to take. This query must have been so common that I came to know it should not be asked but I had asked it actually. had you run a web search first, you would have found plenty of answers to your question. as another poster stated, this thread has gotten extensively broken and way off topic. therefore, this is last commenting i will make in regard to your insecurity. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: i have a gmail account for other purposes that i pull in emails from because some of them i want to reply to and save. also, i found that as only way to maintain threads. your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new Subject: relating to how you are using a gmail account and still maintain threading. thank you. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new Subject: relating to how you are using a gmail account and still maintain threading. No, not like that. Read the following two lines he wrote: Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;) and Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :) If he might have wished to enlarge the same thread, he should have done it by explaining each and every point he mentioned but he wrote that!! Further it is Saturday today and tomorrow Sunday. May be some one is having fun in the week ends and then may start a new thread on Monday... I cannot finalize such things in such a short time and cannot conclude somebody's ways of thinking so easily.It is not necessarily true what we think is always right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 01:26 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:54:39 +1300 Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? http://xkcd.com/1238/ HTH, :-) Marko good one Marko, But if we all think about it, really... Who is Mark Twain? Why is he famous? Did you read Catcher in the Rye? And what is the difference between Shakespeare's writing the the books of Mark Twain or Catcher in the Rye? English is not stilted, nor is it cast in stone. It is a living language, evolving, changing, adding new words, new feelings and inventions of catch phrases, common usage and so on. Dictionaries do not set the language, but rather capture the use of the language, which evolves over time. I love reading, and yes, technical reading is miserable, not because the content doesn't interest me, but because some people in academia have the idea that there is only one effective way to phrase a thought or idea. It is further perpetrated by a legal system that is fraught with poor language, definitions that are set by arcane rules and definitions that are purely the construct of the legal profession, and while that may be necessary on some level, the extent to where it has degenerated is abysmal. Would you wish that on the creative individuals that create our most fundamental tools in the modern world? I would not. While the requirements for such phrasing in the legal aspects of our world, like licensing, or patents or other legal and binding documents are hampering creativity all around, why would you want to impose that on the flow here? This is not a troll. I will not comment further. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford English makes such a big distinction between two words that share the same etymology and have no good reason for meaning different things. I doubt it. Fowler is pretty definite: Alternative (offering a choice) had formerly also the sense now belonging only to alternate (by turns); now that the differentiation is complete, confusion is even less excusable than between definite and definitive. Sounds like someone at Fowler has a bone to pick, but they've gone out too far on a limb. There is a clear differentiation between definite and definitive that most anyone can easily understand, yet they're proposing there's an even greater distinction between alternate and alternative that no one would care about. In the version of Oxford American English I have, alternate has definitions as a verb, adjective, and noun. Under adjective, the 2nd definition is taking the place of; alternative Merriam Webster online, 4th definition for alternate, constituting an alternative. The 1st definition for alternative is alternate. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it doesn't matter wether I am connected at home or in the office, so the cause is not a malfunction of my DNS server). Today I tried to find out what is going on and it seems the applications are stalled while looking up the hostname of my own machine (user-pc). Shouldn't in this case the lookup return immediantly? As I haven't changed my configuration at all, any idea which update introduced this issue? Thank you in advance, Clemens Stacktrace of firefox starting up: #0 0x003fd7aeb7fd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81 #1 0x003fd9e0ad0d in send_dg (resplen2=0x0, anssizp2=0x0, ansp2=0x0, anscp=0x7fffeeec0970, gotsomewhere=synthetic pointer, v_circuit=synthetic pointer, ns=0, terrno=0x7fffeeebf8f0, anssizp=0x7fffeeebfa30, ansp=0x7fffeeebf8e8, buflen2=0, buf2=0x0, buflen=32, buf=0x7fffeeebfa60 ;\327\001, statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 _res@GLIBC_2.2.5) at res_send.c:1059 #2 __libc_res_nsend (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 _res@GLIBC_2.2.5, buf=buf@entry=0x7fffeeebfa60 ;\327\001, buflen=optimized out, buf2=buf2@entry=0x0, buflen2=buflen2@entry=0, ans=ans@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 , anssiz=anssiz@entry=1024, ansp=ansp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, ansp2=ansp2@entry=0x0, nansp2=nansp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_send.c:556 #3 0x003fd9e08c47 in __GI___libc_res_nquery (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 _res@GLIBC_2.2.5, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec00c0 user-pc.3.home, class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 , anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=answerp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:226 #4 0x003fd9e096ab in __libc_res_nquerydomain (resplen2=0x0, nanswerp2=0x0, answerp2=0x0, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, anslen=1024, answer=0x7fffeeec0540 , type=1, class=1, domain=optimized out, name=0x7fffeeec1538 user-pc, statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 _res@GLIBC_2.2.5) at res_query.c:582 #5 __GI___libc_res_nsearch (statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 _res@GLIBC_2.2.5, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 user-pc, class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 , anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:416 #6 0x7fd0409e17e4 in __GI__nss_dns_gethostbyname3_r (name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 user-pc, af=af@entry=2, result=result@entry=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=buffer@entry=0x7fffeeec0f20 \177, buflen=buflen@entry=1024, errnop=errnop@entry=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=h_errnop@entry=0x7fffeeec0ef4, ttlp=ttlp@entry=0x0, canonp=canonp@entry=0x0) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:192 #7 0x7fd0409e1af0 in _nss_dns_gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 user-pc, result=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 \177, buflen=1024, errnop=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:273 #8 0x003fd7b0ebd3 in __gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 user-pc, resbuf=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 \177, buflen=1024, result=0x7fffeeec0ef8, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at ../nss/getXXbyYY_r.c:263 #9 0x003fe921b467 in PR_GetHostByName () from /lib64/libnspr4.so #10 0x7fd04b25f8fa in nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink(nsIFile*, bool) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #11 0x7fd04b25fe92 in nsProfileLock::Lock(nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #12 0x7fd04b26073b in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsIFile*, nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #13 0x7fd04b260784 in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsToolkitProfile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #14 0x7fd04b260837 in nsToolkitProfile::Lock(nsIProfileUnlocker**, nsIProfileLock**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #15 0x7fd04b25a4ca in XREMain::XRE_mainStartup(bool*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #16 0x7fd04b25b338 in XREMain::XRE_main(int, char**, nsXREAppData const*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #17 0x7fd04b25b5d3 in XRE_main () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #18 0x00403d2f in do_main(int, char**, nsIFile*) () #19 0x004034fc in main () -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
fedup 18-19 and GRUB upgrade several seconds
I'm currently preparing to fedup an F18 system to F19, looking at these instructions: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/ch18s02.html The bit about updating the GRUB bootloader has got gotten me confused. My system is a newish x86_64 laptop, with F18 as the only thing on it, installed from scratch (no upgrades etc). The instructions say to look in /var/log/anaconda/anaconda.program.log where you'll find a command similar to efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l \EFI\redhat\grub.efi then later on, run efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l '\EFI\fedora\grubx64.efi' -b bootnumber Now, the command I see in the anaconda log is in fact: efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sda -p 1 -l \EFI\fedora\shim.efi This differs from the example in the docs by '-p 1' verses '-p Y' and 'shim.efi' verses 'grub.efi'. So, what values should I give for the -p and -l options? Also, its not entirely clear what 'bootnumber' value for the -b arg should be; should this the same number as used to delete the old boot entry in the previous step? -- You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Clemens, Have you find out this on a particular network? I.e. a business, job, etc. Some companies are mostly windows shops that run extra software like AV detector, compliance rules that add overhead while you open up a browser or turn it on. Safe Connect is an example of this. Have you try this on your own home network and find any difference? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:01:24 +, Tethys wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: []so rpm hell is largely a thing of the past. Sort of. RPM was a victim of its own success. Because Red Hat was the leading distribution, it was the one that attracted the largest number of third party RPMs, and that's what caused the dependency problems that came to be known as RPM hell. Also, people would mix RPMs from Red Hat, SuSE and other distributions and just expect them to work (which largely they didn't). That problem still exists today, exactly the same as it does for dpkg based distributions (and always has done). It's just that the RPM and dkpg repositories these days have larger coverage of the free software landscape, so the dependencies are more likely to be in the default repo, and there are fewer third party packages these days, as well as fewer RPM based distributions to muddy the waters. It can still happen in another way, to those who use free but proprietary apps. Say you want Opera on an old machine that you haven't used for some time. You go to a browser it does have, but for some reason the default opera.com offers isn't what you want. You find what you do want, and opera.com asks whether you want the x86 or the 64-wide version. You don't happen to remember which one this machine is, nor an easy way to check (like uname -a). So you just download one. Rpm -ivh produces a bramble patch. Being by now an old hand, you notice that all the missing dependencies it announces are 64s. So you abort the install, go back to opera.com, and get the .rpm for a 32-bit machine. That works, slick as a whistle. In this example you have not solved the dependency hell. You have dodged it, partly by dumb luck (spotting those 64s), and partly by having enough general experience to recognize what they mean. A beginner who had gotten into it might easily've worked herself through the brambles into an electronic lake of burning brimstone before she hollered for help. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dual boot Fedora -- Windows 8
On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I have the following partitions on a 1TB disk: * 1M BIOS boot partition * 500M Linux boot partition * 733G Linux LVM partition (Fedora 19) * 200G unused space I would like to install Windows 8 on this last partition. Anyone knows if this will mess up with my current boot manager? Can Windows 8 coexist with GRUB? How comfortable are you with virtual machines, assuming that your CPU supports it? You could set Windows in a VM on that partition, and the overhead is minimal enough that it shouldn't hurt unless you really beat on Windows. Just a thought, He wants it for gaming. I wouldn't use a VM for that. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear
On Nov 23, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good reason to contact HP and tell them to fix this, open an incident#. Maybe they need to fix their UEFI… Fix it how? What exactly in the spec is being violated by the current behavior? Before asking them to do something, there should be some clarity in what the problem and solution is. A lot of lee way is given in the spec to the built-in boot manager, which BTW is a huge chunk of what GRUB is rather than as a boot loader. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Clemens Eisserer writes: Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it doesn't matter wether I am connected at home or in the office, so the cause is not a malfunction of my DNS server). Today I tried to find out what is going on and it seems the applications are stalled while looking up the hostname of my own machine (user-pc). Shouldn't in this case the lookup return immediantly? Actually, according to your stacktrace below, the DNS lookup is for user-pc. 3.home. What happens when you execute dig user-pc.3.home a pgpHVqg1pHf_V.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
accessing a network scanning device
Hi, how would I go about accessing a scanning device that is connected via network? The device is an OKI MB441 and supports TWAIN and WSD (whatever that is ...). Google hasn't been helpful at all with this. Everyone seems to assume that you would connect the scanner to a computer through USB, SCSI or a parallel cable and make the scanner available on the network through the computer it is connected to by running saned on the computer. I have it the other way round, the scanner is on the network and I want to access it from my computer via network. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Gnome Clementine
When I start Clementine from inside Firefox (i.e. connecting to radio stream of www.liveireland.com, music starts but Clementine is not shown (playing in the background..so when I want to stop it I have to use System Monitor to kill)- But this happens in Gnome not in Mate for example. Is anyone elsenoting this?? -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F19(Schroedinger's cat) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/23/13 10:17, inode0 wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Just read some stuff on this list about spins, a concept which had not previously impinged itself upon my consciousness. So I went and had a look at the spins.fedoraproject.org page. It started off by saying What is a spin? Fedora spins are alternate version of Fedora, tailored For God's sake, people!!! That's alternative versions!!! Alternate means every other or every second. Alternative means available as another possibility. Saying alternate when you mean alternative is sloppy, lazy thinking and irritates and confuses the reader. Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? In American usage this is acceptable and common. But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. But if it bothers you that much why didn't you just correct it on the wiki in a fraction of the time it took you to rant about it here? Why so hostile? Why rant? The page that I looked at (spins.fedoraproject.org) did not appear to be a Wiki nor to be editable by the user in any way. Anyway, my mission is to enlighten people. If I'd just corrected it, no-one would've noticed. Another English major heard from. I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F18: Adobe Acrobat Reader fails hyperlinks?
It appears that on Fedora 18, Adobe Acrobat Reader hyperlinks (control-left-click on link) fails to execute properly and bring up the the web page. I tried the same PDF file on F13 and it works. Is it a bug or is there something I need to do to make this work? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/22/2013 12:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Psigh! What hope for humanity? :-) Well... what is `Psigh' in English please? :P -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/24/13 09:52, Dan Thurman wrote: On 11/22/2013 12:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Psigh! What hope for humanity? :-) Well... what is `Psigh' in English please? :P The p is silent; as in phthisis. Or as in swimming. :-) cheers, Rolf Turner -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true. Maths honours, Ph.D. maths, M. Stat. But what is your point? I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. This is such a tired and tiresome old cliche that it is not worth responding to. Read what I wrote and think, rather than glibly reacting with smug conformism. cheers, Rolf Turner P. S. One should not aim at being possible to understand, but at being impossible to misunderstand. --- Quintilian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/23/2013 04:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP /snip/ cheers, Rolf Turner P. S. One should not aim at being possible to understand, but at being impossible to misunderstand. --- Quintilian Quintilion must never have read Cicero! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18: Adobe Acrobat Reader fails hyperlinks?
On 23.11.2013 21:41, Dan Thurman wrote: It appears that on Fedora 18, Adobe Acrobat Reader hyperlinks (control-left-click on link) fails to execute properly and bring up the the web page. I tried the same PDF file on F13 and it works. Is it a bug or is there something I need to do to make this work? Please direct this question to Adobe. Adobe (Acrobat) Reader is neither open source nor it is part of Fedora. If what you described is a bug, correct place to report it would be Adobe's bug tracker (if they have any publicly available). I strongly recommend that you try an open source PDF viewer like Evince or Okular. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Hi Sam, Actually, according to your stacktrace below, the DNS lookup is for user-pc.3.home. What happens when you execute I get the usual lag (~5s) and after this the following output: [ce@user-pc ~]$ dig user-pc.3.home a ; DiG 9.9.3-rl.13207.22-P2-RedHat-9.9.3-5.P2.fc19 user-pc.3.home a ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 15712 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;user-pc.3.home.INA ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: .3600INSOAa.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2013112301 1800 900 604800 86400 ;; Query time: 4301 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Nov 23 14:53:06 EST 2013 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 107 Regards, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: accessing a network scanning device
On 23.11.2013 20:04, lee wrote: Hi, how would I go about accessing a scanning device that is connected via network? The device is an OKI MB441 and supports TWAIN and WSD (whatever that is ...). Google hasn't been helpful at all with this. Everyone seems to assume that you would connect the scanner to a computer through USB, SCSI or a parallel cable and make the scanner available on the network through the computer it is connected to by running saned on the computer. I have it the other way round, the scanner is on the network and I want to access it from my computer via network. I don't know this exact device, but I'd try connecting it via Ethernet (device spec shows that it has Ethernet card and device supports quite advanced options regarding network connections.) After assigning IP address to this device check using web browser if there is any kind of web base management interface. It's highly probable that software attached to this device is designed only for Windows. Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Hi Richard, You appear to have given your machine a name that won't resolve via public dns (.home doesn't exist), and that you haven't added to the local machine lookups. I am confused. The home.3 domain is added by my 3g-to-wlan router for sure via dhcp. Could it be that dhclient was changed to set also the domain distributed over dhcp, and this is the reason why this issue started ~1 month ago? However, when I execute the hostname command, I get user-pc.erdberg - where erdberg is the domain of another network I frequently use the laptop (and also probably have installed it). user-pc.3.home to the 127.0.0.1 and ::1 entry lines in your /etc/hosts file. Thanks for the hint, I'll give it a try tomorrow. Thanks, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true. Maths honours, Ph.D. maths, M. Stat. But what is your point? I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. This is such a tired and tiresome old cliche that it is not worth responding to. Read what I wrote and think, rather than glibly reacting with smug conformism. cheers, Rolf Turner I think the problem is that you are under the mistaken impression that most of us who find this so funny are people who speak English. We don't. We speak American, a related but very different thing. Hell, I don't even speak Yankee. The last time someone said whilst to me, I thought he had a cold and offered him a hankie. I well remember a friend of mine from London coming to visit me at the ranch. After the initial pleasantries, my father whispered to my aunt, What the hell that boy sayin'? Don't get a damn thing coming outta his mouth. My aunt whispered back Don't matter none. He's Little Bill's friend. Just smile. The difference between alternate and alternative is a drop in the freaking bucket. You might as well be bitching that we misspell colour. It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. Listen to this guy talk (he's from Tupelo, Missisipi) and imagine telling this guy that he's using the word alternate incorrectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS98llpw1L4 (BTW, this is the fight he was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2H-7NIC2qI ) billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Bill Oliver wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true. Maths honours, Ph.D. maths, M. Stat. But what is your point? I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. This is such a tired and tiresome old cliche that it is not worth responding to. Read what I wrote and think, rather than glibly reacting with smug conformism. cheers, Rolf Turner I think the problem is that you are under the mistaken impression that most of us who find this so funny are people who speak English. We don't. We speak American, a related but very different thing. Hell, I don't even speak Yankee. The last time someone said whilst to me, I thought he had a cold and offered him a hankie. I well remember a friend of mine from London coming to visit me at the ranch. After the initial pleasantries, my father whispered to my aunt, What the hell that boy sayin'? Don't get a damn thing coming outta his mouth. My aunt whispered back Don't matter none. He's Little Bill's friend. Just smile. The difference between alternate and alternative is a drop in the freaking bucket. You might as well be bitching that we misspell colour. It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. Listen to this guy talk (he's from Tupelo, Missisipi) and imagine telling this guy that he's using the word alternate incorrectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS98llpw1L4 (BTW, this is the fight he was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2H-7NIC2qI ) billo That's Mississippi, of course. Damned keyboard delay. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/23/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. What do you mean by we, redneck? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/23/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. What do you mean by we, redneck? Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) That's just one of the nice things about being a redneck -- you are never alone. That and the food. And the music. And the good looking women. And the guns. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:33:41AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true. Maths honours, Ph.D. maths, M. Stat. But what is your point? I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. This is such a tired and tiresome old cliche that it is not worth responding to. Especially when you don't have a good refutation. Read what I wrote and think, I did. rather than glibly reacting with smug conformism. I didn't. Now that you've told us how marvelous you are, let's get back on the subject of fedora. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/23/2013 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) Ah. I see. Not the type, then, that Ziva David insisted on calling redthroats. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
Clemens Eisserer writes: Hi Richard, You appear to have given your machine a name that won't resolve via public dns (.home doesn't exist), and that you haven't added to the local machine lookups. I am confused. The home.3 domain is added by my 3g-to-wlan router for sure via dhcp. Could it be that dhclient was changed to set also the domain distributed over dhcp, and this is the reason why this issue started ~1 month ago? However, when I execute the hostname command, I get user-pc.erdberg - where erdberg is the domain of another network I frequently use the laptop (and also probably have installed it). The app tries a DNS lookup for user-pc. The domain gets appended from /etc/resolv.conf dhclient does update /etc/resolv.conf from dhcp, but it's been doing that for quite a while. That hasn't changed, and your real issue is the slow DNS response. Doing an strace should tell you which DNS server gets queried, but it's probably your router acting as a DNS forwarder; and the real issue becomes why your router takes several seconds to return a DNS response. pgpBVBor2E7vH.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/23/2013 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) Ah. I see. Not the type, then, that Ziva David insisted on calling redthroats. Well, now that you mention it, and in all seriousness, I actually had Ducky's job. The show has it backwards, though. In the real world, the NCIS investigators rotated through our office (OAFME -- Office of the Armed Forces Meical Examiner) rather than having their own pathologist. We were at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology at Walter Reed. Now that Walter Reed has closed, the service has changed to the AFMES (Aremd Force Medical Examiner Service) and is up in Dover AFB as part of the Medical Materiel Command. I still think the NCIS/CID/AFOSI folk rotate through, though. Never had any Mossad rotate through -- though I met a couple when I was with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English. Please explain how this is a Fedora topic? -No please don't!
Would the moderators please be kind enough to take this very tiresome off topic -off list- so that discussion about Fedora is not circumvented by trivia. Out of the thousands of lurkers and contributors, some of which are major corporations, gov't agencies, teachers, scientists, people wanting to learn about our Fedora system, beginners, you name it, we have half a dozen folk endlessly recycling opinion in which every contributor is right to some degree but will never convince others so. It is not a discussion of, nor a help with, Fedora or the system, it never was. Thank you Roger Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Better way to upgrade fc18-fc19
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 07:05:17PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a better way than fedup, and why is it so slow? The last few upgrades, I went by the yum method. Despite all the warnings on the wiki, this seems to be the smoothest of all upgrade methods I have tried since F10. Hope this helps, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On 11/23/2013 07:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true. Maths honours, Ph.D. maths, M. Stat. But what is your point? I assume you're aware that languages evolve over time in accordance with common usage. This is such a tired and tiresome old cliche that it is not worth responding to. Read what I wrote and think, rather than glibly reacting with smug conformism. cheers, Rolf Turner I think the problem is that you are under the mistaken impression that most of us who find this so funny are people who speak English. We don't. We speak American, a related but very different thing. Hell, I don't even speak Yankee. The last time someone said whilst to me, I thought he had a cold and offered him a hankie. I well remember a friend of mine from London coming to visit me at the ranch. After the initial pleasantries, my father whispered to my aunt, What the hell that boy sayin'? Don't get a damn thing coming outta his mouth. My aunt whispered back Don't matter none. He's Little Bill's friend. Just smile. The difference between alternate and alternative is a drop in the freaking bucket. You might as well be bitching that we misspell colour. It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. Listen to this guy talk (he's from Tupelo, Missisipi) and imagine telling this guy that he's using the word alternate incorrectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS98llpw1L4 (BTW, this is the fight he was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2H-7NIC2qI ) billo I was really getting tired of this thread, but you have finally pulled it out, Bill. Thnx! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
