AW: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread Eigeldinger Simon 
Hi Stan, Hi Ed,

I guess the plugs or the transistor seems to be the only solution at the moment.
I wonder if we could ask the devs to find a solution to that?
According to the wayland people this shouldn't be much trouble.
As far as i know Fedora already uses wayland?

Greetings and thanks,
Simon


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Betreff: Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:47:39 +0800
Ed Greshko  wrote:

> To me, all of this makes perfect sense when applied to an installed 
> and running system.
> 
> However, in the original post, Simon referred to booting a "Fedora 
> Workstation Live USB".  AFAIK, the Live image does not contain the 
> xorg-x11-drv-dummy.  Additionally, the way the Live image is 
> structured I don't believe there is the chance to make a configuration 
> change to the drivers that are being used.
> 
> That is why I only suggested the dummy plugs.

Thanks for the correction.  I missed that little detail.  :-) 
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Re: arrow in the file/explorer window

2017-03-27 Thread Samuel Sieb 

On 03/27/2017 08:45 AM, bruce wrote:

Just noticed, in looking through the dialog for some dirs, I see a
curved arrow in some of the folder icons. This appears to indicate
previous versions of things like jre/jdk. Is this correct? Can't seem
to find anything in SO on this..


I don't know what SO is, but I'm pretty sure what you're seeing is a link.
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Re: F25 - outragous memory consumption

2017-03-27 Thread Tom Horsley 
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:38:09 -0400
Fulko Hew wrote:

>  1492 fhew  20   0 13.418g 4.306g   3584 R  99.3 55.9  88:06.07
> ksmserver

The whole ksm concept is lame, and the implementation is worse.
Unless you are running thousands of identical virtual machines
on your system, you can safely turn off ksm. (I uninstalled
it just to make absolutely sure it wouldn't pop back up which
too many things do under systemd).
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F25 - outragous memory consumption

2017-03-27 Thread Fulko Hew 
Running F25 I'm seeing (IMHO) some outrageous memory consumption
Here's what top showed (just before the system hung up completely).

ksmserver taking 13Gig of memory !
pulseaudio taking almost 4Gig !

Wow.
No wonder my system hung.

Comments anyone?

TIA
Fulko


 1492 fhew  20   0 13.418g 4.306g   3584 R  99.3 55.9  88:06.07
ksmserver
32357 fhew  20   0 6801384 1.535g 108592 S  17.6 19.9   4607:57
firefox
 1510 fhew  20   0 3678396 179092  63152 S   1.3  2.2 755:19.27
kwin_x11
 1073 root  20   0  656128 129312 108148 S   0.7  1.6 954:53.74
Xorg
 3338 fhew  20   0  365836   5148   3212 S   0.7  0.1 343:43.99
gkrellm
 1612 fhew   9 -11 3907076  19740  18436 S   0.3  0.2 274:10.75
pulseaudio
1 root  20   0  215116   1016  0 S   0.0  0.0   0:24.45
systemd
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Re: dnf aborting

2017-03-27 Thread stan 
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:54:42 -0400
Kevin Cummings  wrote:

> I last updated:
> 
> Mar 27 01:01:34 INFO Upgraded: icoutils-0.31.3-1.fc24.x86_64
> Mar 27 01:01:35 INFO Cleanup: icoutils-0.31.2-1.fc24.x86_64

URL : http://www.nongnu.org/icoutils/   

  
Summary : Utility for extracting and converting Microsoft icon and cursor 
files   

Description :   

  
The icoutils are a set of programs for extracting and converting images in  

  
Microsoft Windows icon and cursor files. These files usually have the   

  
extension .ico or .cur, but they can also be embedded in executables or 

  
libraries.

> Since then, dnf update aborts with:
> 
> > *** Error in `/usr/bin/python3': realloc(): invalid next size:
> > 0x5597a7b29670 *** === Backtrace: =

That's a very large size, so it is obviously wrong.

> Anyone else seeing this?

No, and my F25 system updated just fine today.  It seems crazy that
icoutils would cause a problem in python3 / dnf.  Is there any chance
that your disks or memory are going flaky?

You could try downgrading to the previous version of the dnf packages
to see if it is a dnf error.  You would probably have to go to koji
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=14310
to get them at this point.  To see what packages you need, do a 
dnf remove dnf
and make sure to hit NO. Look at the dependencies that would be erased,
and get all those packages from koji.

Or, just try a reinstall of dnf (and its dependent packages) to see if
that fixes the problem.
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Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread stan 
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:47:39 +0800
Ed Greshko  wrote:

> To me, all of this makes perfect sense when applied to an installed
> and running system.
> 
> However, in the original post, Simon referred to booting a "Fedora
> Workstation Live USB".  AFAIK, the Live image does not contain the
> xorg-x11-drv-dummy.  Additionally, the way the Live image is
> structured I don't believe there is the chance to make a
> configuration change to the drivers that are being used.
> 
> That is why I only suggested the dummy plugs.

Thanks for the correction.  I missed that little detail.  :-) 
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Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 03/28/17 00:52, stan wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:37:30 +
> Eigeldinger Simon  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Here's a extract from an article about this matter:
>> Source: http://blog.zorinaq.com/the-5-second-vga-dummy-plug/
>>
>> It made sense for drivers to not enable a GPU when no monitor was
>> attached to it. But since the rise of GPGPU applications, graphics
>> vendors AMD and NVIDIA realized that this behavior was inconvenient.
>> At least with the most recent Linux drivers, dummy plugs are not
>> necessary anymore.
>>
>> So I wonder if the problem lies somewhere else.
> The first answer on this page tells how to fake an attached monitor on
> linux using the dummy driver.  On Fedora that is package
> xorg-x11-drv-dummy-0.3.7-1.fc25.x86_64
> It involves creating a dummy xorg.conf with the parameters you want,
> since there is no edid to read from the monitor to automatically create
> it.
>
> It's for Ubuntu, but should work fine on Fedora.
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/453109/add-fake-display-when-no-monitor-is-plugged-in
>
> There seem to be problems with it if an actual monitor is attached in
> addition to the dummy, but that should not be a problem for you.  If
> necessary, though not stated there, it should be possible to create a
> second configuration for the attached monitor, and then specify which
> screen you want to load at X startup (it defaults to screen 0).

To me, all of this makes perfect sense when applied to an installed and
running system.

However, in the original post, Simon referred to booting a "Fedora
Workstation Live USB".  AFAIK, the Live image does not contain the
xorg-x11-drv-dummy.  Additionally, the way the Live image is structured
I don't believe there is the chance to make a configuration change to
the drivers that are being used.

That is why I only suggested the dummy plugs.

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dnf aborting

2017-03-27 Thread Kevin Cummings 
I last updated:

Mar 27 01:01:34 INFO Upgraded: icoutils-0.31.3-1.fc24.x86_64
Mar 27 01:01:35 INFO Cleanup: icoutils-0.31.2-1.fc24.x86_64

Since then, dnf update aborts with:

> *** Error in `/usr/bin/python3': realloc(): invalid next size: 
> 0x5597a7b29670 ***
> === Backtrace: =
> /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x7570b)[0x7f66a367e70b]
> /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x8080c)[0x7f66a368980c]
> /lib64/libc.so.6(realloc+0x184)[0x7f66a368a714]
> /lib64/libsolv.so.0(solv_realloc+0x1e)[0x7f6693c2e21e]
> /lib64/libsolv.so.0(+0x40cfb)[0x7f6693c2dcfb]
> /lib64/libsolv.so.0(+0x33bea)[0x7f6693c20bea]
> /lib64/libsolv.so.0(dataiterator_step+0x1161)[0x7f6693c292e1]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(+0xf5c4)[0x7f6693e835c4]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(hy_query_apply+0x10a3)[0x7f6693e84bf3]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(hy_query_run_set+0x9)[0x7f6693e85ef9]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(running_kernel+0xac)[0x7f6693e8131c]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(sack_running_kernel+0x17)[0x7f6693e870e7]
> /lib64/libhawkey.so.2(hy_goal_run_all_flags+0x4bc)[0x7f6693e7f81c]
> /usr/lib64/python3.5/site-packages/hawkey/_hawkey.so(+0xa84e)[0x7f669409c84e]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyCFunction_Call+0xe9)[0x7f66a43a4f29]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x75b9)[0x7f66a441c759]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(+0x1279d3)[0x7f66a441e9d3]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x5f59)[0x7f66a441b0f9]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x7c44)[0x7f66a441cde4]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(+0x1279d3)[0x7f66a441e9d3]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x5f59)[0x7f66a441b0f9]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x7c44)[0x7f66a441cde4]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x7c44)[0x7f66a441cde4]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x7c44)[0x7f66a441cde4]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(+0x1279d3)[0x7f66a441e9d3]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x5f59)[0x7f66a441b0f9]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(+0x1279d3)[0x7f66a441e9d3]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalCodeEx+0x23)[0x7f66a441eab3]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalCode+0x1b)[0x7f66a441eadb]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(+0x146d64)[0x7f66a443dd64]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyRun_FileExFlags+0x95)[0x7f66a44402b5]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(PyRun_SimpleFileExFlags+0xf4)[0x7f66a4440424]
> /lib64/libpython3.5m.so.1.0(Py_Main+0xedc)[0x7f66a445708c]
> /usr/bin/python3(main+0x170)[0x5597a3886b70]
> /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf1)[0x7f66a3629731]
> /usr/bin/python3(_start+0x29)[0x5597a3886c19]

Anyone else seeing this?

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Re: Restoring a QEMU snapshot

2017-03-27 Thread InvalidPath 
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-03-27 at 12:00 -0600, InvalidPath wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <
> pocallag...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > I have a QEMU image snapshot:
> > >
> > > $ sudo qemu-img info /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > > image: /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > > file format: qcow2
> > > virtual size: 20G (21474836480 bytes)
> > > disk size: 196K
> > > cluster_size: 65536
> > > backing file: /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> > > backing file format: qcow2
> > > Format specific information:
> > > compat: 1.1
> > > lazy refcounts: true
> > > refcount bits: 16
> > > corrupt: false
> > >
> > > However when I try to restore the virtual disk I get:
> > >
> > > $ sudo qemu-img snapshot -a /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > > /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> > > qemu-img: Could not apply snapshot '/var/lib/libvirt/images/
> Windows10.qcow2':
> > > -2 (No such file or directory)
> > >
> > > I must be doing something obviously wrong, but can't see what it is.
> > > Hints would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > poc
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> > You have all the required permissions I'm sure, yes?
>
> I'm using sudo, so yes.
>
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Gotcha, Just making sure ;)

Can you create a new VM, attaching that image and use it successfully?
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Re: Restoring a QEMU snapshot

2017-03-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Mon, 2017-03-27 at 12:00 -0600, InvalidPath wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan  > wrote:
> > I have a QEMU image snapshot:
> > 
> > $ sudo qemu-img info /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > image: /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > file format: qcow2
> > virtual size: 20G (21474836480 bytes)
> > disk size: 196K
> > cluster_size: 65536
> > backing file: /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> > backing file format: qcow2
> > Format specific information:
> > compat: 1.1
> > lazy refcounts: true
> > refcount bits: 16
> > corrupt: false
> > 
> > However when I try to restore the virtual disk I get:
> > 
> > $ sudo qemu-img snapshot -a /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> > /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> > qemu-img: Could not apply snapshot 
> > '/var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2':
> > -2 (No such file or directory)
> > 
> > I must be doing something obviously wrong, but can't see what it is.
> > Hints would be appreciated.
> > 
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> You have all the required permissions I'm sure, yes?

I'm using sudo, so yes.

poc
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Weird crashes and slowdowns

2017-03-27 Thread Susi Lehtola 

Hi,


I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed weird things happening on their 
Intel laptops.


My Lenovo U31-70 has been misbehaving for a long long time under Fedora. 
Firefox and/or X often slow to a crawl, and sometimes X even crashes. 
I'm wondering if this is due to a buggy video driver.


Some relevant info

$ uname -r
4.9.14-200.fc25.x86_64
$ uptime
 12:11:54 up 6 days, 22:55,  1 user,  load average: 1.11, 0.98, 0.87
$ ps aux|grep Xorg
 1241 root  20   0 10.160g 4.014g 159388 S   1.1 52.1 648:10.37 
Xorg


$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 
(rev 09)
00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller 
(rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB xHCI 
Controller (rev 03)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP MEI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition 
Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root 
Port #1 (rev e3)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root 
Port #3 (rev e3)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root 
Port #4 (rev e3)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB EHCI 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP LPC Controller 
(rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SATA 
Controller [AHCI Mode] (rev 03)

00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SMBus Controller (rev 03)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6164 802.11ac Wireless 
Network Adapter (rev 20)

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Re: Restoring a QEMU snapshot

2017-03-27 Thread InvalidPath 
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> I have a QEMU image snapshot:
>
> $ sudo qemu-img info /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> image: /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> file format: qcow2
> virtual size: 20G (21474836480 bytes)
> disk size: 196K
> cluster_size: 65536
> backing file: /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> backing file format: qcow2
> Format specific information:
> compat: 1.1
> lazy refcounts: true
> refcount bits: 16
> corrupt: false
>
> However when I try to restore the virtual disk I get:
>
> $ sudo qemu-img snapshot -a /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
> /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
> qemu-img: Could not apply snapshot '/var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2':
> -2 (No such file or directory)
>
> I must be doing something obviously wrong, but can't see what it is.
> Hints would be appreciated.
>
> poc
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You have all the required permissions I'm sure, yes?
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Restoring a QEMU snapshot

2017-03-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
I have a QEMU image snapshot:

$ sudo qemu-img info /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2 
image: /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2
file format: qcow2
virtual size: 20G (21474836480 bytes)
disk size: 196K
cluster_size: 65536
backing file: /home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2
backing file format: qcow2
Format specific information:
    compat: 1.1
    lazy refcounts: true
    refcount bits: 16
    corrupt: false

However when I try to restore the virtual disk I get:

$ sudo qemu-img snapshot -a /var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2 
/home/poc/Win10/win10.qcow2    
qemu-img: Could not apply snapshot '/var/lib/libvirt/images/Windows10.qcow2': 
-2 (No such file or directory)

I must be doing something obviously wrong, but can't see what it is.
Hints would be appreciated.

poc
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Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread stan 
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:37:30 +
Eigeldinger Simon  wrote:

> Hi Ed,
> 
> Here's a extract from an article about this matter:
> Source: http://blog.zorinaq.com/the-5-second-vga-dummy-plug/
> 
> It made sense for drivers to not enable a GPU when no monitor was
> attached to it. But since the rise of GPGPU applications, graphics
> vendors AMD and NVIDIA realized that this behavior was inconvenient.
> At least with the most recent Linux drivers, dummy plugs are not
> necessary anymore.
> 
> So I wonder if the problem lies somewhere else.

The first answer on this page tells how to fake an attached monitor on
linux using the dummy driver.  On Fedora that is package
xorg-x11-drv-dummy-0.3.7-1.fc25.x86_64
It involves creating a dummy xorg.conf with the parameters you want,
since there is no edid to read from the monitor to automatically create
it.

It's for Ubuntu, but should work fine on Fedora.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/453109/add-fake-display-when-no-monitor-is-plugged-in

There seem to be problems with it if an actual monitor is attached in
addition to the dummy, but that should not be a problem for you.  If
necessary, though not stated there, it should be possible to create a
second configuration for the attached monitor, and then specify which
screen you want to load at X startup (it defaults to screen 0).
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arrow in the file/explorer window

2017-03-27 Thread bruce 
Hey guys...

Just noticed, in looking through the dialog for some dirs, I see a
curved arrow in some of the folder icons. This appears to indicate
previous versions of things like jre/jdk. Is this correct? Can't seem
to find anything in SO on this..

Thanks
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Re: f25 and ATI graphic cards

2017-03-27 Thread poma 
On 27.03.2017 11:03, François Patte wrote:
> Le 27/03/2017 09:30, Samuel Sieb a écrit :
>> On 03/26/2017 01:42 AM, François Patte wrote:
>>> Does anyone know how to get rid of this:
>>>
>>> [drm:atom_op_jump [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck ..
>>> [drm:atom_execute_table_locked [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck
>>>
>>> and some other messages
>>>
>>> Sometimes it takes ages before shutdown
>>>
>>> I could see that many people have this problem since several years (not
>>> only with fedora: debian, ubuntu also)
>>>
>> It appears to be often related to hybrid graphics.  Is that the case here?
> 
> I don't know what exactly is a hybrid graphics... Do you mean that there
> are two graphic cards? It the case as far I can see:
> 
> lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA
> returns:
> 
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core
> Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) (prog-if
> 00 [VGA controller])
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> [AMD/ATI] Mars XTX [Radeon HD 8790M] [1002:6606] (rev ff) (prog-if ff)
> 
> So, I can see that the integrated graphic card is in use, not the ATI card.
> 
> I have two questions:
> 1- How to activate the ATI graphic card? This card is supported by linux
> for I bought that computer from Dell with ubuntu installed to be sure
> that the hardware is linux compatible and the ATI graphic was configured.
> 
> 2- Why, as the ATI card is not in use, the radeon module is loaded by
> the kernel?
> 

See if this can help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_8000_series#Solar_System_.28HD_8xxxM.29_mobile_series
Solar System (HD 8xxxM) mobile series

https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index14h2
5 ... On MUX-less systems, the discrete card is solely for rendering, not 
display. X Server 1.14 is required to support rendering and display from 
different cards. Most new laptops (2011+) are MUX-less.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
... Reverse PRIME is an attempt to support muxless hybrid graphics in the Linux 
kernel.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#Reverse_PRIME
If the second GPU has outputs that are not accessible by the primary GPU, you 
can use Reverse PRIME to make use of them. ...

Also, do not hesitate to subscribe and ask here:
https://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati


Ref.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQyOTE
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AW: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread Eigeldinger Simon 
Hi Ed,

Here's a extract from an article about this matter:
Source: http://blog.zorinaq.com/the-5-second-vga-dummy-plug/

It made sense for drivers to not enable a GPU when no monitor was attached to 
it. But since the rise of GPGPU applications, graphics vendors AMD and NVIDIA 
realized that this behavior was inconvenient. At least with the most recent 
Linux drivers, dummy plugs are not necessary anymore.

So I wonder if the problem lies somewhere else.


Greetings,
Simon

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Betreff: Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

On 03/27/17 15:46, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
>
> I am Simon and I am blind.
>
> I tried to boot a Fedora Workstation 25 live USB without a screen 
> attached to a desktop machine.
>
> It seems the machine doesn't boot completely at least hanging while 
> the desktop should come up.
>
> On the arch wiki i read something about x server and its autoconfig 
> mode where it detects the screen and if no screen is present it stops 
> starting the desktop which makes the PC hang.
>
> According to the wayland mailing list this also happens with wayland 
> though wayland supports screenless booting. which needs to be 
> specified in the wayland adapter for gnome.
>
> Anyone maybe knows more about that?
>
> I thought of using Fedora on a project i have in my mind. Having a 
> small PC without a screen in the kitchen would be pretty interesting.
> navigation is done using a keyboard and knowing where we are is done 
> using the orca screen reader and speakers.
>
> Attaching a screen would be the last thing i want to do.
>

What is your video output?

If it is HDMI, maybe get a "dummy" plug to fake the system into thinking it has 
a monitor connected. 

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=HDMI+dummy+plug

Similar plugs are available for DVI.

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Re: F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 03/27/17 15:46, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:
>
> I am Simon and I am blind.
>
> I tried to boot a Fedora Workstation 25 live USB without a screen
> attached to a desktop machine.
>
> It seems the machine doesn't boot completely at least hanging while
> the desktop should come up.
>
> On the arch wiki i read something about x server and its autoconfig
> mode where it detects the screen and if no screen is present it stops
> starting the desktop which makes the PC hang.
>
> According to the wayland mailing list this also happens with wayland
> though wayland supports screenless booting. which needs to be
> specified in the wayland adapter for gnome.
>
> Anyone maybe knows more about that?
>
> I thought of using Fedora on a project i have in my mind. Having a
> small PC without a screen in the kitchen would be pretty interesting.
> navigation is done using a keyboard and knowing where we are is done
> using the orca screen reader and speakers.
>
> Attaching a screen would be the last thing i want to do.
>

What is your video output?

If it is HDMI, maybe get a "dummy" plug to fake the system into thinking
it has a monitor connected. 

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=HDMI+dummy+plug

Similar plugs are available for DVI.

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Re: f25 and ATI graphic cards

2017-03-27 Thread François Patte 
Le 27/03/2017 09:30, Samuel Sieb a écrit :
> On 03/26/2017 01:42 AM, François Patte wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to get rid of this:
>>
>> [drm:atom_op_jump [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck ..
>> [drm:atom_execute_table_locked [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck
>>
>> and some other messages
>>
>> Sometimes it takes ages before shutdown
>>
>> I could see that many people have this problem since several years (not
>> only with fedora: debian, ubuntu also)
>>
> It appears to be often related to hybrid graphics.  Is that the case here?

I don't know what exactly is a hybrid graphics... Do you mean that there
are two graphic cards? It the case as far I can see:

lspci -vnnn | perl -lne 'print if /^\d+\:.+(\[\S+\:\S+\])/' | grep VGA
returns:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core
Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) (prog-if
00 [VGA controller])
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Mars XTX [Radeon HD 8790M] [1002:6606] (rev ff) (prog-if ff)

So, I can see that the integrated graphic card is in use, not the ATI card.

I have two questions:
1- How to activate the ATI graphic card? This card is supported by linux
for I bought that computer from Dell with ubuntu installed to be sure
that the hardware is linux compatible and the ATI graphic was configured.

2- Why, as the ATI card is not in use, the radeon module is loaded by
the kernel?

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F25: Desktop PC not booting without a screen

2017-03-27 Thread Eigeldinger Simon 
Hi all,

I am Simon and I am blind.
I tried to boot a Fedora Workstation 25 live USB without a screen attached to a 
desktop machine.
It seems the machine doesn't boot completely at least hanging while the desktop 
should come up.

On the arch wiki i read something about x server and its autoconfig mode where 
it detects the screen and if no screen is present it stops starting the desktop 
which makes the PC hang.

According to the wayland mailing list this also happens with wayland though 
wayland supports screenless booting. which needs to be specified in the wayland 
adapter for gnome.

Anyone maybe knows more about that?

I thought of using Fedora on a project i have in my mind. Having a small PC 
without a screen in the kitchen would be pretty interesting. navigation is done 
using a keyboard and knowing where we are is done using the orca screen reader 
and speakers.


Attaching a screen would be the last thing i want to do.

Greetings,
Simon



Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Simon Eigeldinger
Informatik
Nebengebäude 1, OG1

Stadt Hohenems
Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4
6845 Hohenems
Österreich
Tel.:  +43 5576 7101-1143
Fax: +43 5576 7101-1149
E-Mail:  simon.eigeldin...@hohenems.at
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Re: f25 and ATI graphic cards

2017-03-27 Thread Samuel Sieb 

On 03/26/2017 09:57 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:

On 03/26/17 04:42, François Patte wrote:

[drm:atom_op_jump [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck ..
[drm:atom_execute_table_locked [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck


Are you sure that your atom processor has a Radeon video?  ISTR that
initially, some manufacturers were bundling the early Atoms with nVidia
processors, and lots of information was available from the MythTV folks.
 I just Googled Intel Atom, and one of the PDFs that Intel has published
talked about support for the Intel GMA500 graphics, which would imply
that you might have or need an Intel graphics driver.

atombios is an AMD (ATI) feature that has nothing to do with the Intel 
Atom processor.  Do a search for "atombios" and you'll find lots of info.

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Re: f25 and ATI graphic cards

2017-03-27 Thread Samuel Sieb 

On 03/26/2017 01:42 AM, François Patte wrote:

Does anyone know how to get rid of this:

[drm:atom_op_jump [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck ..
[drm:atom_execute_table_locked [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck

and some other messages

Sometimes it takes ages before shutdown

I could see that many people have this problem since several years (not
only with fedora: debian, ubuntu also)


It appears to be often related to hybrid graphics.  Is that the case here?


Is there a kernel option to add at boot time?


I've found mention of adding "radeon.runpm=0".
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