Re: [OT]: Question re: youtube-dl

[Samuel Sieb]

On 07/25/2017 08:50 PM, Tim wrote:

On 26/7/2017 6:00 am, JD wrote:

Can this program find and download a vid with a rather specific substring
in the URL of the vid?
A substring such as:
"0AmvYqE0amg" for example.
Thanx for the syntax of how to do this.


When it's working (and that's not with all YouTube clips), I found that 
you could either provide the full URI to the clip, or the code.


e.g. youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6buaHn2dp4
  or, youtube-dl K6buaHn2dp4


I haven't found one that didn't work (other than pay ones).  It can also 
download from many other video sites, not just youtube, if you provide 
the full url.

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Samuel Sieb]

On 07/25/2017 08:07 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Ger van Dijck writes:
Then the next question is when having a 64 bit capable machine how I 
can install instead Fedora26 32 bit a 64 bit version of Fedora26 ?


The same way you would install Fedora 26 on any other 64 bit machine.

This is basically a fresh new install. If you have any files you want to 
keep, copy them to a thumb drive, or somewhere else. Then, download 
Fedora 64bit, then start it. You'll have to tell the installer to remove 
all existing partitions, and create new ones.


If you have your /home directory on a separate partition (which is the 
default arrangement) then you won't lose your personal files or configs. 
 You will just reinstall the / partition with the 64-bit version of Fedora.

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Re: Upgrade path from LXDE to LXQt

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/26/2017 12:42 PM, evade. wrote:
> Does anybody know the best way to upgrade from Fedora 25 LXDE to Fedora 26 
> LXQt?  I've not found an upgrade path documented anywhere.
>
> I'm not concerned about leaving configuration data behind, but would like to 
> clean up unnecessary packages after the transition.
>
> Rebuilding with F26 LXQt and restoring from a backup isn't a viable option 
> for me.
>
> (FYI: I recently asked this question in the Fedora lxqt mailing list and 
> while there were two responses, nobody was sure and it was suggested I ask 
> here.)


I think what you are basically saying is that you are currently running F25 
with an
LXDE Desktop and would like to upgrade to F26 and end up with a LXqt Desktop.  
If
that is a correct assessment I would do the following

1.  Upgrade from F25 to F26.

2.  Install the LXQt desktop by "dnf group install "LXQt Desktop"

3.  Remove the LXDE desktop by "dnf group remove "LXDE Desktop"

Looking at the man page for dnf you'd see...

   dnf [options] group remove ...
  Mark the group removed and remove those packages in the group from
  the  system  which  are neither comprising another installed group
  and were not installed explicitly by the user.

You may run into a few minor issues along the way.  In that depending on how you
installed initially your system may not have "LXQt Desktop" marked as 
installed. 
And, I don't know what display manager is used by each Desktop Environment so 
it is
possible you may have to manually adjust that after the removal of LXDE.

If you have the time and resources you may want to create a Virtual Machine that
mimics your current system and perform the steps to verify it works as I think 
it
should.  :-)


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Upgrade path from LXDE to LXQt

[evade.]

Hello,
Does anybody know the best way to upgrade from Fedora 25 LXDE to Fedora 26 
LXQt?  I've not found an upgrade path documented anywhere.

I'm not concerned about leaving configuration data behind, but would like to 
clean up unnecessary packages after the transition.

Rebuilding with F26 LXQt and restoring from a backup isn't a viable option for 
me.

(FYI: I recently asked this question in the Fedora lxqt mailing list and while 
there were two responses, nobody was sure and it was suggested I ask here.)

Thank you,
Evade
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Re: ddns stopped working after F26 update

[Tim]

Tim:

I think you need to tell us if your updates were on the server,

clients, or both. And what is not working. Clients not being issued IPs?

Barry Scott:

I recall having to patch things up when the client id algorithm changed a about 
4 years ago. Has that happened again?


I don't know, but it's the kind of thing I've noticed when 
multi-booting.  Each OS got a different IP, because the network card 
looked different in some way.  And that played merry hell with name 
assignment.


NB:  My DNS and DHCP servers are running on a very old Fedora 
installation.  Mine is a mix of fixed and dynamic.  With the DHCP server 
assigning some clients a fixed IP, and those IPs hand entered into the 
DNS configuration (I found DHCP wouldn't put those into the DNS 
records).  And the dynamic assignments giving an IP to the clients, who 
provide their own hostname, which goes into the DHCP leases and DNS 
records.


I have noticed the odd one or two things which won't play ball.  My 
printer gets given its IP by the DHCP server, it has its own hostname, 
but that name never gets sent to the DHCP server.  It only works fully 
with the mDNS nonsense (Bonjour, etc).  And something similar with the 
odd Windows client.



To restate the issue.
* ddns is no longer setting hostname in DNS.
* The dns-update.log file is not longer being written to.


Is it not setting any?  i.e. I see you have fixed definitions.  Is it 
setting them?  Is it setting dynamically assigned ones?


I know you've mentioned specific examples below, but if you set up new 
dynamic or fixed ones, do they work?



I have 3 systems that where updated from f25 to f26
fable is the router and runs ddns setup
varric is a desktop and used dhcp to get its address and provide its name. It 
gets an address but no name is setup.
the other f26 machine uses a static IP.
blackstar is a win10 machine and it cannpt set its name in DNS but dhcpd gives 
it an address.

fable is setup to log all update activity into /var/log/dns-update.log. That 
log file,  is no longer being written to since f26 update.


Another of those new journalctl snafus?
Is it chrooted?


There are no error that I can find for dhcpd or chroot-named. Except this one:
uid lease 172.16.2.145 for client 78:48:59:89:e5:81 is duplicate on 
172.16.2.0/24
which has the MAC of one of my switches.


That could be tripping things up.

My inclination would be to stop both DNS and DHCP servers, wipe out the 
DHCP leases file, remove any dynamically entered records in the DNS 
files (and update the serial numbers), delete the dns journal files, and 
see if it will start with a clean slate.



I have replace the keys with .

Here is /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf

//
// named.conf
//
// Provided by Red Hat bind package to configure the ISC BIND named(8) DNS
// server as a caching only nameserver (as a localhost DNS resolver only).
//
// See /usr/share/doc/bind*/sample/ for example named configuration files.
//

acl "if4_internal" {
 127.0.0.1;
 172.16.2.0/24;
};
acl "if6_internal" {
 ::1;
};

options {
 listen-on port 53   { "if4_internal"; };
 listen-on-v6 port 53{ "if6_internal"; };
 directory   "/var/named";
 dump-file   "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db";
 statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt";
 memstatistics-file  "/var/named/data/named_mem_stats.txt";
 allow-query { "if4_internal"; "if6_internal"; };

 /*
  - If you are building an AUTHORITATIVE DNS server, do NOT enable 
recursion.
  - If you are building a RECURSIVE (caching) DNS server, you need to enable
recursion.
  - If your recursive DNS server has a public IP address, you MUST enable 
access
control to limit queries to your legitimate users. Failing to do so will
cause your server to become part of large scale DNS amplification
attacks. Implementing BCP38 within your network would greatly
reduce such attack surface
 */
 recursion   yes;

 dnssec-enable   yes;
 dnssec-validation   yes;
 dnssec-lookasideauto;

 /* Path to ISC DLV key */
 bindkeys-file   "/etc/named.iscdlv.key";

 managed-keys-directory  "/var/named/dynamic";

 pid-file"/run/named/named.pid";
 session-keyfile "/run/named/session.key";
};



Do those keyfiles exist?  Are they readable?  Right permissions and 
SELinux contexts?  Check on the PID file, too.





logging {
 category dnssec { security_log; };
 category update { update_log; };
 category update-security{ update_log; };
 category security   { security_log; };
 category general{ security_log; };
 category queries{ query_log; };
 category lame-servers   { null; };

 channel update_log {
 file "/var/log/dns-update.log" versions 10 

Re: [OT]: Question re: youtube-dl

[Tim]

On 26/7/2017 6:00 am, JD wrote:

Can this program find and download a vid with a rather specific substring
in the URL of the vid?
A substring such as:
"0AmvYqE0amg" for example.
Thanx for the syntax of how to do this.


When it's working (and that's not with all YouTube clips), I found that 
you could either provide the full URI to the clip, or the code.


e.g. youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6buaHn2dp4
 or, youtube-dl K6buaHn2dp4

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[jarmo]

Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:24:09 +0200
François Patte  kirjoitti:

> Why do you say that? Mine is working as usual (in spite of the mail I
> received from skype).

Yes, it is working, but not supported anymore...
And this "new" Skype. Aaaargh..., working yes, but
is not for me. It's made for microcrab users...

Think moving into Qtox.

Jarmo
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Re: WTF kwrite cannot be run as root

[Emmett Culley]

On 07/24/2017 06:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/25/2017 08:52 AM, Emmett Culley wrote:
>> On 07/24/2017 03:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 07/25/2017 05:01 AM, Emmett Culley wrote:
 Who decided that I should not be able to use a GUI editor on the servers 
 that I manage?

 For the first time since Fedora first became available I am truly sorry I 
 updated to the current release.  Even the switch to KDE4 was not such a 
 problem.  At least a few developers didn't decide for me how to manage my 
 systems.

 I haven't heard anything about this, why is it such a secret?  How can I 
 fix this as I am effectively crippled.  I use nano for most work on remote 
 servers, But fro all of the server that have a GUI installed we use (used) 
 kwrite.
>>>
>>> You could, of course, do what it says to do
>>>
>>> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ sudo kwrite
>>> [sudo] password for egreshko:
>>> Executing KWrite as root is not possible. To edit files as root use:
>>> SUDO_EDITOR=kwrite sudoedit 
>>>
>>> You also have to be in a directory that isn't owned by you to start the 
>>> process.  I
>>> guess it is an inconvenience but since I only use vi it doesn't bother me.
>>>
>>> Since kwrite is a KDE application you may want to ask the folks on the KDE 
>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>> Unfortunately, doing what it says to do doesn't work.
>>
> 
> Works just fine for me.
> 
> Maybe you need to define "doesn't work".
> 
> But, what Rex has said it true and easier.  And, the reason the developers 
> made the
> changes have nothing to do with "you".  :-)
> 
> 
I did finally get sudoedit to work.  Yesterday I set SUDO_EDITOR=kwrite in a 
bash shell environment, but sudoedit kept loading nano.  But today sudoedit 
loads kwrite.  Unfortunately that is unworkable as well, as it hangs up on the 
save dialog when attempting to exit without saving.  Saving explicitly before 
attempting to exit does work, however.

So I now have a workaround.  Two workarounds.

And of course these changes have nothing to do with me personally.  However 
making these kinds of changes to save a noob from shooting off his/her foot is 
still not a good reason to cause experienced users all this pain.  There must 
be a better way.

Emmett

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Re: cockpit

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Probably need to open up the port using firewall-config... I think it
> might have a cockpit checkbox but I'm still at work so I can't easily check.
>
>
> Yes, there is one, and I checked it.
> But trying to go through port 9090 is not going to work, I need to go
> through the ssh port first.
>

In that case you'll need to provide additional information. If the computer
is on the same subnet than ssh shouldn't be necessary. If it's truly a
"remote computer" then yes, you can use ssh with port mapping (the -L
option IIRC).

Richard
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Re: DNF odities

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 02:34 PM, Cristian Sava wrote:
> I'm not sure. I tried many times and it did not stop in ~10 min, so no.


Thinking a little bit more about it  It may not be odd in some cases that it
takes more than 10 minutes.  The process will also download the packages that 
are to
be updated the next time you run "dnf update".  It does this in the background 
with
the goal of saving your time later.  If there are a large number of packages to
update and the link is getting slow download speeds it may take a longer time.

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Re: cockpit

[Patrick Dupre]

 

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 11:21 PM
From: "Richard Shaw" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: cockpit




On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

Hello,

I followed the instructions of
https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/install-cockpit-fedora-centos-rhel-arch-linux/

Then I can access locally to the service either by localhost:9090
or by using the ip address.
But I cannot do it from outside.
Indeed, I need to go through a ssh port
How can I do it ?

 

Probably need to open up the port using firewall-config... I think it might have a cockpit checkbox but I'm still at work so I can't easily check.

 

 

Yes, there is one, and I checked it.

But trying to go through port 9090 is not going to work, I need to go through the ssh port first.

 

Richard 



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Re: cockpit

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I followed the instructions of
> https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/install-cockpit-fedora-
> centos-rhel-arch-linux/
>
> Then I can access locally to the service either by localhost:9090
> or by using the ip address.
> But I cannot do it from outside.
> Indeed, I need to go through a ssh port
> How can I do it ?


Probably need to open up the port using firewall-config... I think it might
have a cockpit checkbox but I'm still at work so I can't easily check.

Richard
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cockpit

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I followed the instructions of 
https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/install-cockpit-fedora-centos-rhel-arch-linux/

Then I can access locally to the service either by localhost:9090
or by using the ip address.
But I cannot do it from outside.
Indeed, I need to go through a ssh port
How can I do it ?

Thank

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Re: [OT]: Question re: youtube-dl

[InvalidPath]

Wrong mailing list I think

On Jul 25, 2017 2:31 PM, "JD"  wrote:

>
> Hi all youtube-dl users,
> Can this program find and download a vid with a rather specific substring
> in the URL of the vid?
> A substring such as:
> "0AmvYqE0amg" for example.
> Thanx for the syntax of how to do this.
>
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Re: ddns stopped working after F26 update

[Barry Scott]

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 06:48, Tim  wrote:

Thanks for the reply TIm.


> 
> On 24/7/2017 12:19 am, Barry Scott wrote:
>> I have a dhcod/bind combination working very nicely registering host name 
>> from DHCP into DNS.
>> But after the update to F26 ddns stopped working. I see no error messages 
>> but did notice
>> that my named update log file no logger sees any messages logged into it.
> 
> Could it be that post-update, your computer identifies itself slightly 
> differently?  So the DHCP server doesn't reissue the same lease.
> I think you need to tell us if your updates were on the server, clients, or 
> both.  And what is not working.  Clients not being issued IPs?

I recall having to patch things up when the client id algorithm changed a about 
4 years ago. Has that happened again?

To restate the issue.
* ddns is no longer setting hostname in DNS.
* The dns-update.log file is not longer being written to.

I have 3 systems that where updated from f25 to f26
fable is the router and runs ddns setup
varric is a desktop and used dhcp to get its address and provide its name. It 
gets an address but no name is setup.
the other f26 machine uses a static IP.
blackstar is a win10 machine and it  cannpt set its name in DNS but dhcpd gives 
it an address.

fable is setup to log all update activity into /var/log/dns-update.log. That 
log file,  is no longer being written to since f26 update.

There are no error that I can find for dhcpd or chroot-named. Except this one:
uid lease 172.16.2.145 for client 78:48:59:89:e5:81 is duplicate on 
172.16.2.0/24
which has the MAC of one of my switches.

I have replace the keys with .

Here is /var/named/chroot/etc/named.conf 

//
// named.conf
//
// Provided by Red Hat bind package to configure the ISC BIND named(8) DNS
// server as a caching only nameserver (as a localhost DNS resolver only).
//
// See /usr/share/doc/bind*/sample/ for example named configuration files.
//

acl "if4_internal" {
127.0.0.1;
172.16.2.0/24;
};
acl "if6_internal" {
::1;
};

options {
listen-on port 53   { "if4_internal"; };
listen-on-v6 port 53{ "if6_internal"; };
directory   "/var/named";
dump-file   "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db";
statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt";
memstatistics-file  "/var/named/data/named_mem_stats.txt";
allow-query { "if4_internal"; "if6_internal"; };

/*
 - If you are building an AUTHORITATIVE DNS server, do NOT enable recursion.
 - If you are building a RECURSIVE (caching) DNS server, you need to enable
   recursion.
 - If your recursive DNS server has a public IP address, you MUST enable 
access
   control to limit queries to your legitimate users. Failing to do so will
   cause your server to become part of large scale DNS amplification
   attacks. Implementing BCP38 within your network would greatly
   reduce such attack surface
*/
recursion   yes;

dnssec-enable   yes;
dnssec-validation   yes;
dnssec-lookasideauto;

/* Path to ISC DLV key */
bindkeys-file   "/etc/named.iscdlv.key";

managed-keys-directory  "/var/named/dynamic";

pid-file"/run/named/named.pid";
session-keyfile "/run/named/session.key";
};



logging {
category dnssec { security_log; };
category update { update_log; };
category update-security{ update_log; };
category security   { security_log; };
category general{ security_log; };
category queries{ query_log; };
category lame-servers   { null; };

channel update_log {
file "/var/log/dns-update.log" versions 10 size 20m;
// every time the log grows over 20 Mbyte, it will
// backup and rollover. Maximum 5 backups will be kept.
print-time yes;
print-category yes;
print-severity yes;
severity info;
};

channel security_log {
file "/var/log/dns-security.log" versions 10 size 20m;
// every time the log grows over 20 Mbyte, it will
// backup and rollover. Maximum 5 backups will be kept.
print-time yes;
print-category yes;
print-severity yes;
severity info;
};

channel query_log {
file "/var/log/dns-query.log" versions 10 size 20m;
print-time yes;
print-severity yes;
};
};

key "rndc-key" {
algorithm hmac-md5;
secret "";
};

key "dhcp-key" {
algorithm hmac-md5;
secret "";
};

controls {
inet 127.0.0.1 port 953
allow { 127.0.0.1; }
keys { "rndc-key"; "dhcp-key"; };
inet ::1 port 953
allow { ::1; }
keys { "rndc-key"; "dhcp-key"; };
};

// barry home zone
zone "chelsea.private" {
typemaster;
file

[OT]: Question re: youtube-dl

[JD]

Hi all youtube-dl users,
Can this program find and download a vid with a rather specific substring
in the URL of the vid?
A substring such as:
"0AmvYqE0amg" for example.
Thanx for the syntax of how to do this.

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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:11:16 +0200
Patrick Dupre wrote:

> However, a gui to manage the services is a lot better than doing
> every things manually. At least to see the running services.

Not really. They keep "improving" the GUIs to the point of absolute
uselessness (try to use the gnome "users" gui to define a a user
that just uses the "users" group for instance, or add additional
groups to a user). Eventually you have to use the command line
because they will have rendered everything else utterly useless.

The systemctl command line isn't too bad. Things you need to
know: "disabled" doesn't mean disabled. Only "masked" services
are actually disabled.

systemctl list-unit-files --full

will tell you all the services. Pipe that to "fgrep enabled" to just
find the enabled ones.

If you see a service like:

throatwarblermangrove.service

and wonder what the heck it is, you can do a

rpm -q -i -f /usr/lib/systemd/system/throatwarblermangrove.service

and get whatever info the rpm that installed it is willing
to provide (usually there is a url in there you can go to
for even more info).
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Re: What is this DNF nonsense?

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:29:09 +0200
Ralf Corsepius wrote:

> Do you have
> "install_weak_deps=false"
> in your
> /etc/dnf/dnf.conf?
> 
> These bewildering, bizarre and confusing "conflict messages" are dnf's 
> poor way to tell it did not install a packages with weak dependency :(

That must be it! Thanks. It is bewildering for sure. I wonder who
has the weak dependency on bash-completion? It is such a dreadfully
broken mess, I wouldn't want anything suggesting it be used :-(.
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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Rick Stevens  wrote:

> On 07/25/2017 07:14 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 07/25/2017 10:11 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >> On a side note a simple dnf search returned systemd-ui, which is
> supposed to be a
> >> GUI frontend to systemd but I don't have it installed, much less tried
> it so YMMV.
>

Yeah, I looked further and it turns out it was on old package install from
Fedora 21... I guess from before I made peace with systemctl on the command
line.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Rick Stevens]

On 07/25/2017 07:14 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/25/2017 10:11 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On a side note a simple dnf search returned systemd-ui, which is supposed to 
>> be a
>> GUI frontend to systemd but I don't have it installed, much less tried it so 
>> YMMV.
> 
> 
> And on a side-side note
> 
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf info systemd-ui
> Last metadata expiration check: 7:34:26 ago on Tue 25 Jul 2017 02:39:17 PM 
> CST.
> Error: No matching Packages to list

Uh, I get no systemd-ui in a "dnf list" on either F25 or F26. Granted I
don't have ALL the repos enabled, but
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Re: [F25] USB interference with wifi

[Rick Stevens]

On 07/24/2017 07:54 PM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
> On 07/24/2017 06:28 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 07/24/2017 06:17 PM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>> Anyway, I discovered that the 4.11.8 kernel does not
>>> fix my wifi problems.  It turns out that there is a nasty
>>> interference issue between the wifi and the outboard USB
>>> disk docking station.  I've had it off since booting 4.11.8.
>>> Today I turned it on while uploading files to another computer
>>> and my wifi locked up same as before.  When I had all the problems
>>> earlier under 4.11.10, the USB disk was also running.
>>> Have no idea how to fix this!
>>
>> Not clear if the disk dock is part of a full-up docking station.
> 
> It's a StarTech single disk dock:
> 
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055PL2YI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1
> 
> 
>> If it isn't, I'd try using a different USB port for the
>> disk.
> 
> USB port makes no difference.
> 
>> Second, try to use shielded USB cables. Cheap USB cables--especially
>> for things like disks--are a bad idea.
> 
> Don't have any.  Will have to order one.
> 
>> Third, if you have an external wifi antenna, try changing its
>> orientation or get an extension cable (they are available) and move the
>> antenna away from the disk.
> 
> No external wifi.
> 
>> If the disk is part of an integrated docking station, then I'd contact
>> the manufacturer and see if it's a) defective; or b) if this is a known
>> problem and they have a solution.
> 
> I think this is a known problem.  After a lot of searching, found this:
> 
>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1615774
> 
> See remarks in Post #9, just under the "messages" entries.
> The difference is that my errors look like this:
> 
> https://ufile.io/0p7t1
> 
> After that my wifi runs abysmally slowly and eventually locks up.
> I'll see many of these right after one another.  I'm seeing lots
> of others on the web getting similar messages in their logs.  Seems to
> be related to
> both the kernel and the iwlwifi firmware.

Ah! Looking at that beastie, I'm thinking the fan may be the issue.
Having a big old fan exposed like that (not in a shielded chassis) might
cause enough EMF noise to screw with your wifi. If there's a way to
disable the fan, I'd give it a whirl just to see if that's the problem.
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

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Le 25/07/2017 à 14:20, Ger van Dijck a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3 is
> not supported anymore) 

Why do you say that? Mine is working as usual (in spite of the mail I
received from skype).

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Re: New CRI-O blogging site just went up.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 08:14 -0400, Daniel Walsh wrote:
> Sorry about the confusion I caused yesterday.  It was not meant as click 
> bait.  I sent the same link to a couple of other container-centric 
> links, and not thinking forwarded it to the Fedora Users list.  I should 
> have given more back ground.
> 
> http://cri-o.io
> 
> Gives a little more info to what is going on.
> 
> Here is an article of all the stuff we are working on.
> 
> https://opensource.com/article/17/6/how-linux-containers-evolved
> 
> I will be giving a talk at FedoraFlock covering these topics.
> 
> Thanks for teaching an old dog new tricks.  :^)

Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 10:56 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Then the next question is when having a 64 bit capable machine how I can 
> install
> instead Fedora26 32 bit a 64 bit version of Fedora26 ? 


Well.  I don't know you went about installingor what desktop you'd 
prefer as
your primary  But for a fresh install with the standard Gnome (workstation)
desktop you'd want to download from

https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/  and pick the appropriate link.

You can have the choice of downloading a Live image or a Net-Install image.

With the live image you then do an install to disk an you get the released 
version of
all the packages.  After you're up and running there will be updates to install.

With the net install version, when you do the install the process downloads the 
most
recent versions of the packages being installed.

FWIW, I've never heard of an easy method to take a 32-bit installation to a 
64-bit
installation.  So, it is best to "start over".


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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Sam Varshavchik]

Ger van Dijck writes:

Then the next question is when having a 64 bit capable machine how I can  
install instead Fedora26 32 bit a 64 bit version of Fedora26 ?


The same way you would install Fedora 26 on any other 64 bit machine.

This is basically a fresh new install. If you have any files you want to  
keep, copy them to a thumb drive, or somewhere else. Then, download Fedora  
64bit, then start it. You'll have to tell the installer to remove all  
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Kenneth Marcy]

On 07/25/2017 07:36 AM, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
> On 07/25/2017 05:20 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3
>> is not supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .
>>
>> Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?
>>
>> I run Fedora 26.
>>
>> Please answer me , kind regards ,
> Wrong architecture is another way of saying that your computer is an
> older 32-bit model that will not run the newer 64-bit version of the
> Skype software.
>
> What is wrong is that you are attempting to run software limited to
> newer computers on your older hardware.
>
> The solution is either to find a substitute software solution to replace
> Skype, or to use a newer computer with a wider data path processor.
>

After reading the message from Ed Greshko, timed four minutes after
mine, I must correct the solution above to say that you may solve the
problem by replacing the 32-bit version of your operating system with a
64-bit version, which may be able to run the Skype software.


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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ger van Dijck]

Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:40:27 +0200 schreef Ed Greshko  
:



On 07/25/2017 10:19 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under  
Fedora 26 with

the Firefox Browser.



In looking up the specs for this system

PROCESSOR / CHIPSET
CPU Intel Pentium 2127U / 1.9 GHz

And checking on the CPU on the Intel site

http://ark.intel.com/products/75191/Intel-Pentium-Processor-2127U-2M-Cache-1_90-GHz

Shows

Intel® 64 ‡   Yes
Instruction Set  64-bit

So, it seems you've installed Fedora 32 bit on a 64 bit capable system  
and

unfortunately skype doesn't support 32-bit.



Then the next question is when having a 64 bit capable machine how I can  
install instead Fedora26 32 bit a 64 bit version of Fedora26 ?




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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 10:19 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under Fedora 
> 26 with
> the Firefox Browser.


In looking up the specs for this system

PROCESSOR / CHIPSET
CPU Intel Pentium 2127U / 1.9 GHz

And checking on the CPU on the Intel site

http://ark.intel.com/products/75191/Intel-Pentium-Processor-2127U-2M-Cache-1_90-GHz

Shows

Intel® 64 ‡   Yes
Instruction Set  64-bit

So, it seems you've installed Fedora 32 bit on a 64 bit capable system and
unfortunately skype doesn't support 32-bit.

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Kenneth Marcy]

On 07/25/2017 05:20 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3
> is not supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .
>
> Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?
>
> I run Fedora 26.
>
> Please answer me , kind regards ,

Wrong architecture is another way of saying that your computer is an
older 32-bit model that will not run the newer 64-bit version of the
Skype software.

What is wrong is that you are attempting to run software limited to
newer computers on your older hardware.

The solution is either to find a substitute software solution to replace
Skype, or to use a newer computer with a wider data path processor.


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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 10:19 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:02:18 +0200 schreef Ger van Dijck 
> :
>
>> Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:42:32 +0200 schreef Ed Greshko 
>> :
>>
>>> On 07/25/2017 09:31 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
 Thanks for the quick answer.

 Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1 with 
 x86_64
 architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size from the 
 Skype site
 ""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.

 So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are there 
 two
 different versions ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, there should be 2 version.  One for 32 bit and one for 64bit.  It 
>>> seems as if
>>> their site will detect your version depending on what your browser reports 
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> So, the questions I would have are
>>>
>>> 1.  What is the output of "uname -r" for your system.
>>>
>>> 2.  How did you download?  From the system you are installing?  What 
>>> browser are you
>>> using?
>>>
>>   Hi Ed ,
>>
>> output uname -r is 4.11.11-300.fc26.i686.
>>
>> downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under Fedora 
>> 26
>> with the Firefox Browser.
>>
>
>

Did you mean to say something?  

Anyway

Ah   I think just found the "problem"

In checking my repo file for skype I found

baseurl=https://repo.skype.com/rpm/stable/

When you go to that URL you see

 repodata/2017-07-18 12:50- 
skype-stable.repo2016-06-27 09:40178 
skype-stable.repo.asc2016-07-12 15:23473 
skypeforlinux_5.3.0.1-1.x86_64.rpm2017-05-31 10:1465M 
skypeforlinux_5.4.0.1-1.x86_64.rpm2017-07-18 12:4669M

So, I don't see them providing a 32 bit version.


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Re: DNF odities

[stan]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:26:04 +0800
Ed Greshko  wrote:

> If you find yourself catching the update time too often for your
> liking you can "systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer".

I wasn't aware of this, so glad to learn of it, but have been doing the
same thing by putting
metadata_timer_sync=0
in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf.  See man dnf.conf for a few more details.
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ger van Dijck]

Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:02:18 +0200 schreef Ger van Dijck  
:


Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:42:32 +0200 schreef Ed Greshko  
:



On 07/25/2017 09:31 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:

Thanks for the quick answer.

Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1  
with x86_64
architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size from  
the Skype site

""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.

So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are  
there two

different versions ?



Yes, there should be 2 version.  One for 32 bit and one for 64bit.  It  
seems as if
their site will detect your version depending on what your browser  
reports to them.


So, the questions I would have are

1.  What is the output of "uname -r" for your system.

2.  How did you download?  From the system you are installing?  What  
browser are you

using?


  Hi Ed ,

output uname -r is 4.11.11-300.fc26.i686.

downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under  
Fedora 26 with the Firefox Browser.





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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 10:11 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On a side note a simple dnf search returned systemd-ui, which is supposed to 
> be a
> GUI frontend to systemd but I don't have it installed, much less tried it so 
> YMMV.


And on a side-side note

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf info systemd-ui
Last metadata expiration check: 7:34:26 ago on Tue 25 Jul 2017 02:39:17 PM CST.
Error: No matching Packages to list

:-) :-)

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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Richard Shaw]

On a side note a simple dnf search returned systemd-ui, which is supposed
to be a GUI frontend to systemd but I don't have it installed, much less
tried it so YMMV.

Richard
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 10:02 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:42:32 +0200 schreef Ed Greshko 
> :
>
>> On 07/25/2017 09:31 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
>>> Thanks for the quick answer.
>>>
>>> Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1 with 
>>> x86_64
>>> architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size from the 
>>> Skype site
>>> ""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.
>>>
>>> So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are there two
>>> different versions ?
>>
>>
>> Yes, there should be 2 version.  One for 32 bit and one for 64bit.  It seems 
>> as if
>> their site will detect your version depending on what your browser reports 
>> to them.
>>
>> So, the questions I would have are
>>
>> 1.  What is the output of "uname -r" for your system.
>>
>> 2.  How did you download?  From the system you are installing?  What browser 
>> are you
>> using?
>>
>  Hi Ed ,
>
> output uname -r is 4.11.11-300.fc26.i686.

OK, so you are running a 32-bit OS.

>
> downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under Fedora 
> 26 with
> the Firefox Browser.
>
What was the name of the rpm that was downloaded?  I am running a 64-bit OS and 
the
rpm was skypeforlinux-64.rpm.  I would hope that yours would be 
skypeforlinux-32.rpm


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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Patrick Dupre]

 

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:19 PM
From: "Richard Shaw" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: which system-config-services for fc26?




On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:


> On 07/25/2017 08:38 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
> > How do I manage /etc/services ?
>
> What do you mean "manage /etc/services" ?
>
> The file /etc/services is a simple text file with a list of the latest IANA port
> assignments.  There is nothing to manipulate.
>
> > Manually?
> > or the firewall?

Sorry,

I made a mistake,
I need firewall-config which is still here.

However, a gui to manage the services is a lot better than doing

 

Again, try cockpit... It's web based and gives you access to a lot more system information and setting than just services, but it will also allow you to enable/disable/start/stop services as well. In addition, you can do it from a remote computer if needed.

 

OK, very good.

Thank.



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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ger van Dijck]

Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:42:32 +0200 schreef Ed Greshko  
:



On 07/25/2017 09:31 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:

Thanks for the quick answer.

Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1  
with x86_64
architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size from  
the Skype site

""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.

So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are  
there two

different versions ?



Yes, there should be 2 version.  One for 32 bit and one for 64bit.  It  
seems as if
their site will detect your version depending on what your browser  
reports to them.


So, the questions I would have are

1.  What is the output of "uname -r" for your system.

2.  How did you download?  From the system you are installing?  What  
browser are you

using?


 Hi Ed ,

output uname -r is 4.11.11-300.fc26.i686.

downloading from the system I am installing Dell Inspiron 3721 under  
Fedora 26 with the Firefox Browser.


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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 09:19 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Again, try cockpit... It's web based and gives you access to a lot more system
> information and setting than just services, but it will also allow you to
> enable/disable/start/stop services as well. In addition, you can do it from a
> remote computer if needed.


Yes, cockpint would appear to be a very good option for him.

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 09:31 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Thanks for the quick answer.
>
> Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1 with 
> x86_64
> architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size from the 
> Skype site
> ""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.
>
> So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are there two
> different versions ?


Yes, there should be 2 version.  One for 32 bit and one for 64bit.  It seems as 
if
their site will detect your version depending on what your browser reports to 
them.

So, the questions I would have are

1.  What is the output of "uname -r" for your system.

2.  How did you download?  From the system you are installing?  What browser 
are you
using?

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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ger van Dijck]

Op Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:31:33 +0200 schreef Outback Dingo  
:



but are you using x86 architecture or x86_64

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Ger van Dijck   
wrote:

Hi all,

Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3  
is not

supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .

Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?

I run Fedora 26.

Please answer me , kind regards ,


Ger van Dijck.


Hi Outback Dingo,


I use a Dell Inspiron 3721 : So x86 architecture I think. And now ?


Thanks for the quick answer.

Ed Greshko wrote that he had no problems installing Skype 5.4.0.1-1 with  
x86_64 architecture (I believe him) when loking at the downloaded size  
from the Skype site ""his"" seize is 69 MB , mine 72,1 MB.


So I think the problem is the difference in the architecture : Are there  
two different versions ?





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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 09:11 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> On 07/25/2017 08:38 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>> OK,
>>>
>>> But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
>>> How do I manage /etc/services ?
>> What do you mean "manage /etc/services" ?
>>
>> The file /etc/services is a simple text file with a list of the latest IANA 
>> port
>> assignments.  There is nothing to manipulate.
>>
>>> Manually?
>>> or the firewall?
> Sorry,
>
> I made a mistake,
> I need firewall-config which is still here.

Yes, and there is also firewall-applet which gives you a nice entry on your 
systray.

> However, a gui to manage the services is a lot better than doing
> every things manually. At least to see the running services.
>
> I could not find one for gnome.
>
> Why get ride of system-config-services?

Because the whole method of controlling services has evolved from manipulation 
rc.d
files to systemd.  There is no desire to maintain a "conversion" utility which
system-config-services would need to do.


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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

>
> > On 07/25/2017 08:38 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > OK,
> > >
> > > But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
> > > How do I manage /etc/services ?
> >
> > What do you mean "manage /etc/services" ?
> >
> > The file /etc/services is a simple text file with a list of the latest
> IANA port
> > assignments.  There is nothing to manipulate.
> >
> > > Manually?
> > > or the firewall?
>
> Sorry,
>
> I made a mistake,
> I need firewall-config which is still here.
>
> However, a gui to manage the services is a lot better than doing
>

Again, try cockpit... It's web based and gives you access to a lot more
system information and setting than just services, but it will also allow
you to enable/disable/start/stop services as well. In addition, you can do
it from a remote computer if needed.

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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Patrick Dupre]

> On 07/25/2017 08:38 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
> > How do I manage /etc/services ?
> 
> What do you mean "manage /etc/services" ?
> 
> The file /etc/services is a simple text file with a list of the latest IANA 
> port
> assignments.  There is nothing to manipulate.
> 
> > Manually?
> > or the firewall?

Sorry,

I made a mistake,
I need firewall-config which is still here.

However, a gui to manage the services is a lot better than doing
every things manually. At least to see the running services.

I could not find one for gnome.

Why get ride of system-config-services?

> 
> 
> I happen to have an old F24 VM running at the moment and if one does a "dnf 
> info
> system-config-services" you get
> 
> Description : system-config-services is a utility which allows you to 
> configure which
> services should be enabled on your machine.
> 
> Which is what "systemctl" does.
> 
> I use KDE and there is a GUI component to systemd in the "system settings" 
> GUI.  I
> don't know about other desktops.  But, I never use the GUI and I don't know 
> how well
> it works.
> 
> What precisely do you want to accomplish?
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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 08:38 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> OK,
>
> But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
> How do I manage /etc/services ?

What do you mean "manage /etc/services" ?

The file /etc/services is a simple text file with a list of the latest IANA port
assignments.  There is nothing to manipulate.

> Manually?
> or the firewall?


I happen to have an old F24 VM running at the moment and if one does a "dnf info
system-config-services" you get

Description : system-config-services is a utility which allows you to configure 
which
services should be enabled on your machine.

Which is what "systemctl" does.

I use KDE and there is a GUI component to systemd in the "system settings" GUI. 
 I
don't know about other desktops.  But, I never use the GUI and I don't know how 
well
it works.

What precisely do you want to accomplish?

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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

>
> But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
>

Try cockpit, it's web based but works quite well.



> How do I manage /etc/services ?
>

You don't.


> or the firewall?
>

firewall-config

Thanks,
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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Patrick Dupre]

>
> On 07/25/2017 08:09 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >
> > I did not find a system-config-services for fc26
> > The last version seems to be for fc24.
> > Hence, I recompile the fc25 version, but it does not run properly:
> 
> I'm sorry I wasn't clear yesterday.
> 
> There is NO more a system-config-services package.  Since the introduction of 
> systemd
> this package has been rewritten to actually execute systemctl commands with 
> the goal
> of at one point making that package obsolete.   It is now obsolete, not used, 
> not
> provided, and not maintained.
> 
> The command to use now is "systemctl"

OK,

But a GUI is a lot more convenience to manage the services.
How do I manage /etc/services ?
Manually?
or the firewall?

Thank.

> 
> Learn to use it.
> 
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 08:20 PM, Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3 is not
> supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .
>
> Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?
>
> I run Fedora 26.
>
> Please answer me , kind regards ,


I just downloaded from their website.  It didn't say anything about a "beta" 
but

[root@meimei egreshko]# dnf install ./skypeforlinux-64.rpm
Last metadata expiration check: 3:01:53 ago on Tue 25 Jul 2017 05:29:12 PM CST.
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package   Arch   Version   Repository
Size
===
Installing:
 skypeforlinux x86_64 5.4.0.1-1 @commandline  
69 M

Transaction Summary
===
Install  1 Package

Total size: 69 M
Installed size: 167 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
Transaction test succeeded.
Running transaction
  Preparing:   
1/1
  Installing   : skypeforlinux-5.4.0.1-1.x86_64
1/1
  Running scriptlet: skypeforlinux-5.4.0.1-1.x86_64
1/1
Redirecting to /bin/systemctl start atd.service
  Verifying: skypeforlinux-5.4.0.1-1.x86_64
1/1

Installed:
  skypeforlinux.x86_64 5.4.0.1-1


So, the latest version from their website is 5.4.0.1-1 and installs just fine 
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Re: Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Outback Dingo]

but are you using x86 architecture or x86_64

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Ger van Dijck  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3 is not
> supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .
>
> Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?
>
> I run Fedora 26.
>
> Please answer me , kind regards ,
>
>
> Ger van Dijck.
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Re: What is this DNF nonsense?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 07/25/2017 01:30 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

Almost the very first thing I do on a new install is to
erase bash-completion, and it is indeed not installed:

tomh> rpm -q bash-completion
package bash-completion is not installed

So why did the dnf-automatic run I have in cron
tell me this last night:

Delta RPMs reduced 80.7 MB of updates to 38.6 MB (52.1% saved)
The following updates were downloaded on 'tomh':

  Package Arch   Version   Repository
Size

Installing:
  mod_http2   x86_64 1.10.7-1.fc24 updates 148 k
Upgrading:
  GraphicsMagick  x86_64 1.3.26-3.fc24 updates 1.4 M
  GraphicsMagick-doc  noarch 1.3.26-3.fc24 updates 973 k
  httpd   x86_64 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates 1.3 M
  httpd-filesystemnoarch 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates  27 k
  httpd-manualnoarch 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates 2.3 M
  httpd-tools x86_64 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates  89 k
  icedtea-web x86_64 1.7-1.fc24updates 1.8 M
  java-1.8.0-openjdk  x86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates 233 k
  java-1.8.0-openjdk-develx86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates 9.8 M
  java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless x86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates  32 M
  librsvg2x86_64 2.40.18-1.fc24updates 133 k
  librsvg2-devel  x86_64 2.40.18-1.fc24updates  52 k
  qt5-qtwebengine x86_64 5.6.3-0.1.20170712gitee719ad313e564.fc24
   updates  31 M
Skipping packages with conflicts:
(add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade):
  bash-completion noarch 1:2.4-1.fc24  updates 269 k


Do you have
"install_weak_deps=false"
in your
/etc/dnf/dnf.conf?

These bewildering, bizarre and confusing "conflict messages" are dnf's 
poor way to tell it did not install a packages with weak dependency :(


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Skypefor linux-64.rpm 5.3 Beta

[Ger van Dijck]

Hi all,

Got a problem : I tried to install the last new version of Skype (4.3 is  
not supported anymore) and I get the message ""wrong architexture"" .


Question is What is wrong and is there a solution for this problem ?

I run Fedora 26.

Please answer me , kind regards ,


Ger van Dijck.

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Re: which system-config-services for fc26?

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 08:09 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>
> I did not find a system-config-services for fc26
> The last version seems to be for fc24.
> Hence, I recompile the fc25 version, but it does not run properly:

I'm sorry I wasn't clear yesterday.

There is NO more a system-config-services package.  Since the introduction of 
systemd
this package has been rewritten to actually execute systemctl commands with the 
goal
of at one point making that package obsolete.   It is now obsolete, not used, 
not
provided, and not maintained.

The command to use now is "systemctl"

Learn to use it.


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Re: New CRI-O blogging site just went up.

[Daniel Walsh]

On 07/24/2017 11:00 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/25/2017 10:44 AM, Doug wrote:

So why doesn't some reader here EXPLAIN what CRI-O means and
what it's relevance to the rest of us might be, if any.


Well the audience here is so varied the phrase "relevance to the rest of us" is
meaningless.

I don't think I will be doing much more with it than I've already have but 
poking
around for anyone not wanting to do their own poking around.

cri-o is Lightweight Container Runtime for Kubernetes

There is a package available on Fedora called, not so strangely, cri-o.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ dnf info cri-o

Available Packages
Name : cri-o
Version  : 1.0.0.alpha.0
Release  : 0.git5dcbdc0.fc26.3
Arch : x86_64
Size : 15 M
Source   : cri-o-1.0.0.alpha.0-0.git5dcbdc0.fc26.3.src.rpm
Repo : updates
Summary  : OCI-based implementation of Kubernetes Container Runtime 
Interface
URL  : https://github.com/kubernetes-incubator/cri-o
License  : ASL 2.0
Description  : OCI-based implementation of Kubernetes Container Runtime 
Interface

Now, if that is something someone is interested in learning more about they 
should do
their own research.  I get the feeling that any "explanation" beyond what I've 
posted
here could be populated with misunderstandings and misrepresentations based 
more on
lack of experience than lack of trying.  :-) :-)   Just ask anyone to explain 
an RFC
standard and you'll see what I mean.  :-)





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Sorry about the confusion I caused yesterday.  It was not meant as click 
bait.  I sent the same link to a couple of other container-centric 
links, and not thinking forwarded it to the Fedora Users list.  I should 
have given more back ground.


http://cri-o.io

Gives a little more info to what is going on.

Here is an article of all the stuff we are working on.

https://opensource.com/article/17/6/how-linux-containers-evolved

I will be giving a talk at FedoraFlock covering these topics.

Thanks for teaching an old dog new tricks.  :^)


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which system-config-services for fc26?

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I did not find a system-config-services for fc26
The last version seems to be for fc24.
Hence, I recompile the fc25 version, but it does not run properly:

ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on 
:1.88:/org/fedoraproject/Config/Services/ServiceHerders/XinetdServiceHerder: 
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not 
receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a 
reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout 
expired, or the network connection was broken.

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What is this DNF nonsense?

[Tom Horsley]

Almost the very first thing I do on a new install is to
erase bash-completion, and it is indeed not installed:

tomh> rpm -q bash-completion
package bash-completion is not installed

So why did the dnf-automatic run I have in cron
tell me this last night:

Delta RPMs reduced 80.7 MB of updates to 38.6 MB (52.1% saved)
The following updates were downloaded on 'tomh':

 Package Arch   Version   Repository
   Size

Installing:
 mod_http2   x86_64 1.10.7-1.fc24 updates 148 k
Upgrading:
 GraphicsMagick  x86_64 1.3.26-3.fc24 updates 1.4 M
 GraphicsMagick-doc  noarch 1.3.26-3.fc24 updates 973 k
 httpd   x86_64 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates 1.3 M
 httpd-filesystemnoarch 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates  27 k
 httpd-manualnoarch 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates 2.3 M
 httpd-tools x86_64 2.4.27-3.fc24 updates  89 k
 icedtea-web x86_64 1.7-1.fc24updates 1.8 M
 java-1.8.0-openjdk  x86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates 233 k
 java-1.8.0-openjdk-develx86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates 9.8 M
 java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless x86_64 1:1.8.0.141-1.b16.fc24updates  32 M
 librsvg2x86_64 2.40.18-1.fc24updates 133 k
 librsvg2-devel  x86_64 2.40.18-1.fc24updates  52 k
 qt5-qtwebengine x86_64 5.6.3-0.1.20170712gitee719ad313e564.fc24
  updates  31 M
Skipping packages with conflicts:
(add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade):
 bash-completion noarch 1:2.4-1.fc24  updates 269 k

Transaction Summary

Install   1 Package
Upgrade  13 Packages
Skip  1 Package

The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.

WTF is it even contemplating downloading bash-completion? I erased it,
it should be gone forever. What is going on?
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Re: Connecting to an Active Directory VPN

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 04:05 PM, Frederic Muller wrote:
> Ok I found a solution right here:
> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/94500/connection-via-vpn-pptp-does-not-work-unless-firewall-is-disabled/
>
> Basically GRE traffic is no longer allowed through the firewall so one need 
> to do
> the following (as root):
> |firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter INPUT 0-p gre -j 
> ACCEPT
> firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv6 filter INPUT 0-p gre -j 
> ACCEPT
> firewall-cmd --reload ||modprobe nf_conntrack_pptp nf_conntrack_proto_gre And 
> then it works for me.|


Yep, that fixes it here for me on Linux.  Thanks for continuing to look.  I must
admit that fell into the "assume" track since it failed, and still fails, on 
Android
7.Will have to see if I can find something similar on that.

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Re: Connecting to an Active Directory VPN

[Frederic Muller]

On 07/25/2017 02:22 PM, Frederic Muller wrote:
> On 07/24/2017 07:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Well, I hardly ever use PPTP with my VPN provider as I either use proxy DNS 
>> or
>> OpenVPN.   So, today I tried and found some interesting things
>>
>> F26 - Fails   (Same log entries that you've shown)
>> F24 - Works
>> Android 7 - Fails
>> Android 6.0.1 - Works
>
> And so I followed up on your comments and tried F24 Live and it worked
> out of the box. Since it worked for me under F25 as well (not the Live
> install disk though) I can only think of a library that I must have
> installed at one point when using F25 which made it work.
>
> Should I file a bug under bugzilla or wait until you get a feedback
> yourself?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Fred

Ok I found a solution right here:
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/94500/connection-via-vpn-pptp-does-not-work-unless-firewall-is-disabled/

Basically GRE traffic is no longer allowed through the firewall so one
need to do the following (as root):

|firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter INPUT 0-p gre
-j ACCEPT firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv6 filter INPUT
0-p gre -j ACCEPT firewall-cmd --reload ||modprobe nf_conntrack_pptp 
nf_conntrack_proto_gre And then it works for
me. Thank you. Fred |

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Re: Connecting to an Active Directory VPN

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 03:22 PM, Frederic Muller wrote:
> On 07/24/2017 07:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Well, I hardly ever use PPTP with my VPN provider as I either use proxy DNS 
>> or
>> OpenVPN.   So, today I tried and found some interesting things
>>
>> F26 - Fails   (Same log entries that you've shown)
>> F24 - Works
>> Android 7 - Fails
>> Android 6.0.1 - Works
>
> And so I followed up on your comments and tried F24 Live and it worked out of 
> the
> box. Since it worked for me under F25 as well (not the Live install disk 
> though) I
> can only think of a library that I must have installed at one point when 
> using F25
> which made it work.
>
> Should I file a bug under bugzilla or wait until you get a feedback yourself?
>
>

FWIW,  I was just playing with this.  I have since found that booting the F24 
live it
works fine with the 4.5.5-300.fc24.x86_64 kernel.  After update the latest 
kernel is
installed 4.11.10-100.fc24.x86_64 and it fails.

So, it is the change in the kernel which brings out the failure.

Still waiting on word from my VPN provider to see if there are any changes they 
can
make on their end to get things working.

I suppose, if you want, you can file a BZ against the kernel and see if someone 
comes
back and hopefully tells you...  Oh, this isn't a bug you need to do X.  :-) :-)

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Re: Connecting to an Active Directory VPN

[Frederic Muller]

On 07/24/2017 07:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Well, I hardly ever use PPTP with my VPN provider as I either use proxy DNS or
> OpenVPN.   So, today I tried and found some interesting things
>
> F26 - Fails   (Same log entries that you've shown)
> F24 - Works
> Android 7 - Fails
> Android 6.0.1 - Works

And so I followed up on your comments and tried F24 Live and it worked
out of the box. Since it worked for me under F25 as well (not the Live
install disk though) I can only think of a library that I must have
installed at one point when using F25 which made it work.

Should I file a bug under bugzilla or wait until you get a feedback
yourself?

Thank you.

Fred
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Re: DNF odities

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 02:34 PM, Cristian Sava wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 14:26 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> ...
>> Had you not killed it, you would have seen something like this
>>
>> [egreshko@acer ~]$ systemctl status dnf-makecache.timer
>> ● dnf-makecache.timer - dnf makecache timer
>>Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-makecache.timer;
>> enabled; vendor pre
>>Active: active (waiting) since Sun 2017-07-23 19:37:39 CST; 1 day
>> 18h ago
>>
>> Jul 23 19:37:39 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started dnf makecache
>> timer.
>>
>> Basically, about once/hour dnf will check and will update its cache
>> if needed.  See
>> the man page for dnf and search for makecache for the details.
>>
>>> 2) WHY DNF does not ever stop and must be killed to update the
>>> system?
>> You just happened to catch it in the middle of trying to update the
>> cache.  Had you
>> simply waited a bit more your first dnf would have proceeded.
>>
> I'm not sure. I tried many times and it did not stop in ~10 min, so no.

I would consider that odd

[egreshko@acer ~]$ systemctl status dnf-makecache.timer
● dnf-makecache.timer - dnf makecache timer
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-makecache.timer; enabled; vendor 
pre
   Active: active (waiting) since Sun 2017-07-23 19:37:39 CST; 1 day 19h ago

Jul 23 19:37:39 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started dnf makecache timer.

And normally.

[egreshko@acer ~]$ ps -eaf | grep dnf
egreshko  6037  5976  0 14:49 pts/100:00:00 grep --color=auto dnf

Now, depending on how many repos you have enabled and the network speed to the 
repo
server it may take a while.  But, yes, I would agree that 10 minutes is 
excessive. 

I'll just say that I've not run into the issue you're experiencing


>>> That is seen on many F26 boxes (new installs or upgrades).
>>>
>> If you find yourself catching the update time too often for your
>> liking you can
>> "systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer".
>>
> Thanks for the tip, but do not expect everyone to know/do this.
>
Welcome.   Of course I don't expect anyone would now how to do 
everythingwhich is
why questions are asked.  :-)


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Re: DNF odities

[Cristian Sava]

On Tue, 2017-07-25 at 14:26 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
...
> Had you not killed it, you would have seen something like this
> 
> [egreshko@acer ~]$ systemctl status dnf-makecache.timer
> ● dnf-makecache.timer - dnf makecache timer
>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-makecache.timer;
> enabled; vendor pre
>    Active: active (waiting) since Sun 2017-07-23 19:37:39 CST; 1 day
> 18h ago
> 
> Jul 23 19:37:39 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started dnf makecache
> timer.
> 
> Basically, about once/hour dnf will check and will update its cache
> if needed.  See
> the man page for dnf and search for makecache for the details.
> 
> > 2) WHY DNF does not ever stop and must be killed to update the
> > system?
> 
> You just happened to catch it in the middle of trying to update the
> cache.  Had you
> simply waited a bit more your first dnf would have proceeded.
> 
I'm not sure. I tried many times and it did not stop in ~10 min, so no.
> 
> > 
> > That is seen on many F26 boxes (new installs or upgrades).
> > 
> 
> If you find yourself catching the update time too often for your
> liking you can
> "systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer".
> 
Thanks for the tip, but do not expect everyone to know/do this.

Cristian Sava
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Re: DNF odities

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/25/2017 02:04 PM, Cristian Sava wrote:
> Trying to update F26 systems:
>
> [root@localhost ~]# dnf update
> Waiting for process with pid 28949 to finish.
> ^CKeyboardInterrupt: Terminated.
> [root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
> root  7724  0.0  0.0  10824   884 pts/0S+   08:48   0:00 grep
> --color=auto dnf
> root 28949  0.0  0.5 391816 47264 ?SNs  01:00   0:00
> /usr/libexec/system-python /usr/bin/dnf makecache timer
> [root@localhost ~]# killall dnf
> [root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
> root  7734  0.0  0.0  10824   884 pts/0S+   08:49   0:00 grep
> --color=auto dnf
> [root@localhost ~]# dnf update
> ...
> Complete!
> [root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
> root  8099  0.0  0.0  10824   980 pts/0R+   08:50   0:00 grep
> --color=auto dnf
>
> So the questions:
> 1) WHY DNF is active without asking?

It is active, but mostly doing nothing, due to a systemd setting. 

Had you not killed it, you would have seen something like this

[egreshko@acer ~]$ systemctl status dnf-makecache.timer
● dnf-makecache.timer - dnf makecache timer
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-makecache.timer; enabled; vendor 
pre
   Active: active (waiting) since Sun 2017-07-23 19:37:39 CST; 1 day 18h ago

Jul 23 19:37:39 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started dnf makecache timer.

Basically, about once/hour dnf will check and will update its cache if needed.  
See
the man page for dnf and search for makecache for the details.

> 2) WHY DNF does not ever stop and must be killed to update the system?

You just happened to catch it in the middle of trying to update the cache.  Had 
you
simply waited a bit more your first dnf would have proceeded.


>
> That is seen on many F26 boxes (new installs or upgrades).
>
If you find yourself catching the update time too often for your liking you can
"systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer".


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DNF odities

[Cristian Sava]

Trying to update F26 systems:

[root@localhost ~]# dnf update
Waiting for process with pid 28949 to finish.
^CKeyboardInterrupt: Terminated.
[root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
root  7724  0.0  0.0  10824   884 pts/0S+   08:48   0:00 grep
--color=auto dnf
root 28949  0.0  0.5 391816 47264 ?SNs  01:00   0:00
/usr/libexec/system-python /usr/bin/dnf makecache timer
[root@localhost ~]# killall dnf
[root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
root  7734  0.0  0.0  10824   884 pts/0S+   08:49   0:00 grep
--color=auto dnf
[root@localhost ~]# dnf update
...
Complete!
[root@localhost ~]# ps aux | grep dnf
root  8099  0.0  0.0  10824   980 pts/0R+   08:50   0:00 grep
--color=auto dnf

So the questions:
1) WHY DNF is active without asking?
2) WHY DNF does not ever stop and must be killed to update the system?

That is seen on many F26 boxes (new installs or upgrades).
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