Re: How to remove settings from a systemd unit file

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2024-06-05 00:06, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

From: Jeffrey Walton



On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 7:24 PM Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

So I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why attempts to push via
DAV to a git repo were failing.



However this apparently did not work. I threw in the towel and just edited
/lib/systemd/system/httpd.service and commented this setting out, entirely,
to finally fix this issue, and happy git pushing resumed.

But how do I fix this so that the next apache update doesn't clobber this?

I think a better choice is to leave the systemd unit files alone. Then
you don't have to worry about your changes getting reverted on updates
and system upgrades.

I also think it is better to avoid serving files from your home
directory. Instead, use /var. Install your Git-managed project in
/var/git (and your Subversion projects in /var/svn). Add a git user,
and make ownership of /var/git as root:git. Finally, change the
server's document root to/var/git/.

This setup works well for me. The only problem I have encountered is
Git's fix for CVE-2022-24765 a/k/a safe directories. Safe directories
caused a big DoS at my site. Also see
.

Jeff


I agree with your first point about not *serving* files from /home. I 
disagree with your 'fix' in using /var.


Notwithstanding the anaconda installer's indications and instructions 
NOT TO, the installer always seems to WIPE the /var partition. 
Accordingly, you should use a symlink from /var/git (or in my case(s) 
/var/lib/mysql and /var/www/html) to somewhere else which will remain 
stable across a re-install.
In my case I point these instances to an actual "physical" partition 
which is /misc, which allows me to easily back-up all the active 
'stuff'. (It's really meta to describe a 'partition' on an SSD as 
'physical'... but there we are.)
Yes, it's a little more work on an actual re-install but I have some 
'run-once' script lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local which handles all of the 
stuff I would not remember how to do, much less remember to do...


And Jeff, you should remember that it is spelt:

Geoff

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F40: strange network issue after upgrade of laptop from F39

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2024-05-23 19:20, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

F40: strange network issue after upgrade of laptop from
F39
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On 5/23/24 3:32 PM, Ranjan Maitra via users wrote:

I have a strange issue after upgrading a laptop (Dell XPS 13, 2013 edition). 
That is that I am connected (whether through WiFi or ethernet cable) to a 
university network which claims after the upgrade that the laptop is no longer 
registered. I went through the registration process again through the browser 
(and was told: why are you registering this machine again, it is registered, 
simply restart the network/reboot) but the problem does not go away. I upgraded 
a desktop on the same ethernet switch and this problem did not go show up there 
(I am using that to write this email).

What are they using to identify the computer?
What is happening with the networking that isn't working?  No DHCP
response, no network traffic, etc.


Ignore the browser for the moment. Go into Network Connections and see 
if your install is cloning a random MAC address. I *suspect* that the 
registration "feature" may be checking against the MAC address, while 
the browser passes through the SSID + password only. Just a guess but I 
have had the same problem with my android cellphone getting a 
DHCP-served address instead of the expected static IP due to a random 
MAC address.

Geoff
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Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2024-03-19 10:14, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?

If you need a fast scanner, with a document feeder, and double-sided, 
the Brother ADS1000 is fantastic.


It has a near vertical document feeder, which you can keep topped up 
with new pages. Works double-sided at up to 16ppm. Once did over 2,500 
pages in about 6 hours. Two of us working: one removing staples and 
paperclips, and in-bound/out-bound handling, one stamping Bates numbers 
and feeding the scanner, overseeing the laptop storage into various 
folders. At one point did over 200 pages without stopping, until a 
missed staple caused a blockage. Very fast in black and white, slightly 
slower in color.


And small! About 3"x4"x 12" long. Very portable. (The ADS1000 has been 
superseded by the ADS1200).


G.



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Re: ide editor??

[Eddie G. O'Connor]

I used to use CodeBlocks when I was trying to learn C++, but ever since 
VSCodium came out?..(https://vscodium.com/)its my go to for 
HTML/CSS/Python stuff. When its just editing an .RPM or .LIST file 
("/etc/apt/sources.list") I go with gEdit only because Fedora has come 
with that since time began and its the one I'm most comfortable with.




EGO II




On 5/23/23 8:57 PM, Emmett Culley via users wrote:

On 5/23/23 2:44 PM, bruce wrote:

Hi.

Curious to know what IDE/editors you guys use for developing code (and
why if you care to expound).

Are  there any you prefer for linux vs windows?

just curious...

thanks


I've been using PHPstorm for about eight years, and like it a lot.  
Used Eclipse when I was doing C and C++, but for sure PHPstorm is my 
preferred IDE these days.  Javascript, PHP, Vue and Laravel all have 
great integration.


I understand the makers of PHPstorm have a "bigger" app that is useful 
for many other languages, but concentrated on Java. IntelliJ I think 
it is called.


Not free, but well worth the cost, and getting better all the time.

Emmett
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Edward G. O'Connor Jr.]

From:   Ranbir 
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Reply-To: 	Community support for Fedora users 


Date:   Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:00:19AM GMT+00:00
Subject:GNOME interface is too bulky


On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 17:32 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:

What part do you think is so big?  I find it's quite minimal.

I think so as well. Interested to learn the concern

I have a dual boot system with Windows 10 and Fedora 37. I don't boot
into Windows nearly as much as I do Fedora. But, when I do, I'm always
struck by how much more I seem to be able to fit on my 3440x1440
display in Windows than I can in GNOME.

In GNOME, the font used is bigger, the window borders are thicker,
buttons are bigger and there just seems to be more padding around
everything. I don't understand why windows in GNOME have such a thick
top bar. The Windows GUI in comparison is tighter and more compact
(overall).

It's obviously a stylistic choice that GNOME has made. I just find it
bulky and almost cartoonish. It's a clean look, for sure, but huge.

Did any of that help in understanding what I meant?

I had a friend who also thought this, I had recommended she try Fedora 
in one of its other iterations?(KDEXFCECInnamon) to see if 
something else might not be more to her liking...she ended up with 
KDE...and while its not Gnome?...it IS "Fedora" which matters the most!! 
Just a suggestion...




EGO II
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Re: Boot Hangs When Ethernet Cable Plugged In

[Peter G.]

Reply #2

Ok, for curiosity, i disabled wifi, set it to be started manually only, left 
ethernet to be started automatically. I shut down the computer, leaving the 
ethernet cable plugged in and started up the computer. journalctl reports:

Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started user@988.service - User Manager for UID 988.
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1]: 
SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=user@988 comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname>
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started session-c1.scope - Session c1 of User sddm.
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1282]: 
USER_START pid=1282 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:session_open 
grantors=pam_unix,pam_systemd acct>
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-helper[1282]: Starting X11 session: "" "/usr/bin/sddm-greeter --socket 
/tmp/sddm-:0-DVndsw --theme /usr/share/sddm/themes/01-breeze-fedora"
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1298]: could not connect to display :0
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1298]: 
ANOM_ABEND auid=4294967295 uid=988 gid=986 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 pid=1298 comm="sddm-greeter" 
exe="/usr/bin/sddm-greeter" s>
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1298]: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even 
though it was found.
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1298]: This application failed to start because no Qt platform 
plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.

  

  Available platform plugins are: eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, 
offscreen, vnc, wayland-egl, wayland, wayland-xcomposite-egl, 
wayland-xcomposite-glx>
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Created slice system-systemd\x2dcoredump.slice - Slice /system/systemd-coredump.
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=79 op=LOAD
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=80 op=LOAD
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=81 op=LOAD
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1]: 
SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=systemd-coredump@0-1299-0 
comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/>
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started systemd-coredump@0-1299-0.service - Process Core Dump (PID 1299/UID 0).
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net [1302]: [156B 
blob data]
Sep 24 10:45:51 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
systemd-coredump[1301]: [🡕] Process 1298 (sddm-greeter) of user 988 dumped core.

As far as I can tell, it does the same thing. SDDM will not start, so the 
system hangs, does not present a login screen and does a core dump.

So, basically, I need to keep the ethernet cable unplugged until logged in. The 
wifi can remain automatic or manual, makes no difference.

Ideas on this?
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Re: Boot Hangs When Ethernet Cable Plugged In

[Peter G.]

I had a look at journalctl. I am not very adept at it or understanding what it 
says, but I found some curious things just before it hangs:

Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started user@988.service - User Manager for UID 988.
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1]: 
SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 >
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started session-c1.scope - Session c1 of User sddm.
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1281]: 
USER_START pid=1281 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:s>
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-helper[1281]: Starting X11 session: "" "/usr/bin/sddm-greeter --socket 
/tmp/sddm-:0-jEzEIX --th>
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1297]: could not connect to display :0
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit[1297]: 
ANOM_ABEND auid=4294967295 uid=988 gid=986 ses=4294967295 
subj=system_u:system_r:xdm_t:>
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1297]: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even 
though it was found.
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net 
sddm-greeter[1297]: This application failed to start because no Qt platform 
plugin could be initiali>

  

  Available platform plugins are: eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, 
offscreen, >
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Created slice system-systemd\x2dcoredump.slice - Slice /system/systemd-coredump.
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=79 op=LOAD
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=80 op=LOAD
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net audit: BPF 
prog-id=81 op=LOAD
Sep 23 21:13:19 node-1w7jr9y9ftt7b9r339kpge4hj.ipv6.telus.net systemd[1]: 
Started systemd-coredump@0-1298-0.service - Process Core Dump (PID 1298/UID 0).

I am not sure what to make of it, but it appears that when the ethernet is 
used, sddm wants to start plasma in X11 mode?

As I mentioned, when I have the ethernet cable pulled out and the wifi on only, 
then it works. I haven't tried leaving ethernet plugged in but having wifi set 
to off (and manually start it once logged in only when required).
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Boot Hangs When Ethernet Cable Plugged In

[Peter G.]

I have recently started using the ethernet instead of wifi. I have not disabled 
the wifi, but I leave the ethernet cable inserted. Recently, I noticed that I 
was unable to start the computer. I thought it was a faulty F37 testing kernel, 
so I tried the previous kernel. Same thing. For some reason, I thought the only 
thing different is that I now have the ethernet hooked up, so I pulled the plug 
and tried to boot. Everything went fine.

How come I cannot boot the computer with the ethernet cable plugged in?
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Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

[R. G. Newbury]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:37:12 -0400 Tom Horsley 
wrote> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:25:03 -0400

R. G. Newbury wrote:

This sleight-of-hand was posted by someone on an Arch distro
forum/mailing list. I do not have his name, but kudos and thanks whoever
you are. It works

Those are my exact notes (and even comments) from when systemd
started killing off rc.local stuff that took "too long". Maybe
someone copied them from the fedora list to an arch list :-).


Well thanks and kudos again. It's clean, understandable and it works!.


But I definitely didn't use vim, I used emacs :-).

Heretic! Unclean! Unclean!

Geoff
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Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

[R. G. Newbury]

Am 18.07.2022 um 22:18 schrieb Peter Boy: wrote

I got it finally working.

After some tests: It isn’t.

The programs I have to start depend on the existence of some (virtual) network 
interfaces. rc.local is ordered after network.target, which doesn’t mean, the 
network is functional then. Therefore, the program start via rc.local is in 
indeterministic process. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, sometimes only for 
some.

Documentation mentions a drop in at/etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/network.conf. But there is no 
subdirectory /etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/


Should I really mess around with vim and mkdir in the directories managed by 
the distribution? Seems like a bad idea to me.

Or have I missed something?


There is a cleaner workaround, which does, unfortunately mean you have 
to do some minor file amendments (with vim, *of course*!)


Your original /etc/rc.d/rc.local is renamed:
mv rc.local the-real-rc.local

/etc/rc.d/rc.local is replaced with a new version:

#!/bin/bash
#  to run rc.local type things, without interference from systemd
#  rc-local:
/usr/bin/at -M now <<'HERE' > /dev/null 2>&1
/etc/rc.d/the-real-rc.local
HERE

#  And everything I used to run in rc.local now gets run
#  from the-real-rc.local, untouched by systemd meddling
#  (Resistance was futile, I was assimilated).


Both of these files have to be executable (chmod 755).

The /usr/systemd/rc-local.service file IS NOT TOUCHED, so there are no 
problems with it being overwritten. (might need to be enabled. I cannot 
remember.)


The rc-local service checks the rc.local file, and IF it is executable, 
will run it. The new version rc.local calls 'the-real-rc.local'.


Your 'the-real-rc.local' file can have a sleep or structured pause until 
the networks respond properly and signal they are awake.


This sleight-of-hand was posted by someone on an Arch distro 
forum/mailing list. I do not have his name, but kudos and thanks whoever 
you are. It works


In addition, you can also split your 'real' file, by creating a 
semaphore file in /tmp, and run different sections.
If you prefer you can run a 'real' files only on the first run after a 
boot, or even after an install.
If you have not yet changed, for example, /var/lib/mysql from a 
directory to a link to somewhere else, then this is the first run after 
a re-install, and that has not yet been done: an install, in my 
experience, whether told to format or not to format, will wipe the /var 
partition, and all of the databases in that folder. I put them elsewhere 
and link to there, so no losses. So obviously one thing I want to do is 
change the folder to a link to the proper place.
And obviously there are a plethora of things which need to be done 
*once* after an install. Needs one 'if' statement in the bash script. A 
re-run will skip the block.


Geoff





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Re Re: Long timeouts on logging out/shutting down

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-07-17 15:17, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 17:39:35 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Actually, according to systemd-system.conf(5), it looks like the
proper place to do this is with a file under
/usr/lib/systemd/system.conf.d, similar to the old rc.d init files.
Presumably that will avoid the setting being overwritten by a new
install.

Well, that was a bust. Turns out that you do have to edit the standard
file(s) to have any effect.

It works for me.
Did you specified the [Manager] tag in the drop-in file ?
Example:
## Weird: systemd seems to uses internally a ...USec name for that
systemctl show --property=DefaultTimeoutStopUSec
DefaultTimeoutStopUSec=1min 30s

mkdir /usr/lib/systemd/system.conf.d
echo -e '[Manager]\nDefaultTimeoutStopSec=5s' > 
/usr/lib/systemd/system.conf.d/99-stop-fast.conf

systemctl daemon-reload

systemctl show --property=DefaultTimeoutStopUSec
DefaultTimeoutStopUSec=5s
-- francis
This reminds me SO much of reading old IBM Red Books. You must 
thoroughly understand the *footnotes* to Chapter 22 before you can 
actually understand the third paragraph of Chapter 2.

(Cannot now remember whether that was OS/2 or REXX... Lost to human memory.)

And also reminds me why Linux can be considered a cult, as there are 
arcane and unknown rules controlling how things work.

Geoff










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Re: hardware RAID1 NVMe card?

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-06-24 ToddAndMargo
Any of you guys know of a PCIe card that will do
hardware RAID 1 with two NVMe drives?

I have found some, but they are way to elaborate,
and as such, way too expensive.


Asus makes the UltraQuad board. Asrock make the QuadUltra board.
Both hold 4 nvme drives and can raid.
Both use only one x16 slot.

You need a BIOS that can split your PCIE x16 into 4x4x4x4 for best 
performance. That means at least a X299 or better chipset. The Asus (at 
least) can boot from the raid array.

Both are priced just under $100 last time I looked.

Geoff
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Re: Getting a new printer/scanner

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:54:16 Richard England wrote 
 > So, it's time again for me to> get a new printer/scanner as the old 
one> just died.

I hope it isn't too much off-topic to solicit advice on what to get so
that it would work flawlessly with Fedora. I'm looking for a rather
basic model. When I browse the homepages of manufacturers I can't find
any mention of support for Linux. Is there a list somewhere of
printer/scanners that are supported by Linux?


As usual you need to know what you want to do, first.
All the major manufacturers have supported Linux for years. Generally 
you only need an actual driver for a USB connected printer or scanner.
My advice is that you look for a used HP or Brother laser printer 
(Craigslist/Kijiji). They last forever and are easily installed/handled 
by CUPS. Get one with a built-in network card, or find one *really 
cheap* and buy a network print server for $25-$30. The printer can be 
put somewhere out of the way (same with wireless capability). You can 
print directly from any computer or tablet or phone.


The HP and Brother laser printers "just work". The laser printers can 
sit for weeks, using effectively no power but still available.


If you only want 'basic' service, you should about what you really need 
and the footprint. I do not know how old my HP-1320 is, at least 20 
years. It has a 14" square footprint. The HP-3055 MFD is "newer" at 
maybe as recent as 2006 (although that could just be the last software 
update date), much larger and obtrusive. I only keep it really for the 
scanner since I lent my Brother ADS-1000 scanner to my brother and it 
seems to have "disappeared" and cannot be found!
If you only need scanning to make the odd photocopy, you might find a 
small standalone scanner will do the job. Much smaller footprint. The 
Brother scanners need the two free linux drivers installed but the 
website support is excellent. The ADS series are small, fast and good.


G.
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Re: OT: problems with xsane

[R. G. Newbury]

On 5/15/22 12:46, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
The Brother DS-640 is a USB-interfaces document scanner. I've been
attempting to use it with the Xsane app. All I get is a 1/2" vertical
stripe.
AFAIK there is no option to Xsane that effects the displayed scan.
OTOH, I've tried two DS-640 with the same result
Any pointers?  Thanks.

You probably need to install the Brother drivers. There are two iirc, 
and need to be installed in the correct order and support programs. 
Available through the support tab on the Brother web-site. The config 
program has a very comprehensive list of settings which you put into a 
config file.

Use scanimage -L to find the usb parameters and something like
#export ads='brother4:bus2:dev1'
then scanimage --device-name=$ads
scanimage itself has a number of parameters.

A couple of years ago I was given a Brother ADS-1500 scanner to scan a 
large number of documents. Installed the drivers, and ended up scanning 
just over 2100 pages in one day. The ADS1500 is a small thing, powered 
from a power wart and uses USB, but very fast. At one point I did nearly 
200 pages in one continuous call, feeding new pages into the back of the 
feed stack.

I used: # double sided
scanimage  --device-name=$ads --resolution 300 --format=tif 
--source='Automatic Document Feeder(left aligned,Duplex)'  -x 215 -y 280 
 --batch=$2%d.tif --batch-start=$3 --batch-count=$4 --batch-increment=$5


which numbers the output images by 1, 2 or -2 if working from the back 
of a book.
The x and y parameters are the page size and you can limit the scan 
viewport to ignore parts of the physical page.


Geoff

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Re: Can new Fedora changes help users ?

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On 2022-04-28 00:04, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

I think the answer's going to depend on the age.

I have a 2007 era laptop that still works, though its battery doesn't,
and is painfully burdened by modern Gnome.  But managed Gnome from way
back then quite acceptably.  It has a no-longer supported NVidia
graphics chipset (NVidia removed drivers for that model some time ago).


Very old nvidia drivers may not be available through rmpfusion but 
drivers back to the 304 series for Geforce 6 chips are still available 
on nvidia.com. You just download and install the rpm.


I have an IBM T60 which was first introduced in 2006. Like your laptop, 
the battery is very short-lived, but the computer works fine. Presently 
running Fedora 35 with, iirc without looking, the 340 series nvidia 
driver (Geforce 9600 gpu, I think).


Removing the legacy BIOS boot is a step backwards and will hurt a large 
number of Fedora users who are, in the end count, a large testing group 
for a cutting edge distro.


G.
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Re: New Text Editor - A Question.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Ok I checked it out?...and its called "Gnome Text Editor"...its not 
bad...pretty basic, but sometimes that's JUST what you need...not "Vim" 
with mysterious button combinations or any of it's derivatives, not a 
full blown Geany or VS Code...just a nice and simple text editor. I mean 
don't get me wrong? I'm a die hard gEdit fan for life, but I figured 
since I'm running the F-36 release (beta?) I might as well as try out 
it's applications and what not. So far? it really ain't bad at all! And 
now that I found its dark mode?..I may have to decide on which one I 
keep!...LOL!


https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/12/gnome-text-edit



EGO II





Samuel Sieb:

What text editor are you referring to?

Eddie O'Connor wrote:

It's the "new" one that comes with F36 and Gnome 42.it's pretty
nice, simple, a very clean interfacebut I didn't know where to go
to get it to go "dark mode" but another person got me there!


When faced with an unknown graphical application (e.g. you launched
from a menu or icon that didn't tell you its actual name), you can
usually discover it from its "about" item in its "help" menu.

NB:  The program's name isn't always the name of its executable file,
though often is very close to it.


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New Text Editor - A Question.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Just wondering ladies and gentlemen. Is there any way to get the new 
text editor to use  a "dark" theme? I love its simple interface and the 
fact that the text can be BOLDED again! But this bright white?..is 
KILLING my eyes! Just wondering is all!





Thanks!






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Re: pipewire and wireplumber

[R. G. Newbury]

DJ Delorie wrote


"R. G. Newbury"  writes:

If you don't mind answering, was it a Rhode Island Red cockerel or a hen
which you sacrificed to learn these arcane secrets? And, full-moon at
midnight, or dark of the moon? Or did this take moving up to a goat?



It took a LOT of googling to find the one person who mentioned it
elsewhere in the space-time continuum.


And did that version have an exception for when the sacrifice is to be 
undertaken if being undertaken *in California*?


In that case it would have been me. (Long ago in a galaxy far far 
away) iirc it involved the entrails of an OS/2 installation.


Geoff
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Re: pipewire and wireplumber

[R. G. Newbury]

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 01:02:01 -0700

Samuel Sieb wrote

Subject: Re: pipewire and wireplumber
R. G. Newbury wrote:

DJ Delorie  wrote

Geoffrey Leach  writes:

Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
connections?

As a non-gnome (and non-display-manager) user, I share these .xsession
snippets:

# Required by pipewire, at least
export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$(mktemp -d/tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir.XXX)

# Required by most things
eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`

pipewire &
pipewire-pulse &
(sleep 2 ; wireplumber & ) &


There wasn't a pipewire-specific config; it uses the same ALSA backend
as pulseaudio used.

If you don't mind answering, was it a Rhode Island Red cockerel or a hen
which you sacrificed to learn these arcane secrets? And, full-moon at
midnight, or dark of the moon? Or did this take moving up to a goat?
Or are you a graduate of Hogwarts? Because I am quite sure that none of
these snippets show up anywhere in the so-called documentation. Pure
magic, just like any sufficiently advanced technology.



That's because they aren't necessary.  For any standard desktop all
those pieces are already setup for you.  Notice how he said
"non-display-manager user".  Those are only necessary if you don't have
a graphical login session.


Non-display-manager user or not, those might be necessary even if you 
have a graphical login session. I installed the KDE spin of Fedora 35 on 
Monday. A bare metal install: I partitioned the sda drive and formatted 
it during the install.
I had NO audio. And nothing I did allowed the system to even *find* any 
audio hardware. I played a fugue's worth of combinations and read 
everything I could find.
Unfortunately, as noted in this thread, there is no install guide. It 
just works - NOT. I saw an error message about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and spent 
most of an evening down that rabbit-hole, but nothing worked. Pipewire 
would not even find a module which its own rpm had installed. In the 
end, I basically inverted the lines of the install process script I was 
playing with, and re-installed pulseaudio.


Audio works fine now. My opinion of pipewire is, that like pulseaudio 
and systemd were, it has been released far too early in its beta stages. 
It took a couple of years for each of pulseaudio and systemd to reach 
adequate levels of instalability and reliability. Likely the same for 
pipewire.


Geoff
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Re: pipewire and wireplumber

[R. G. Newbury]

DJ Delorie  wrote


Geoffrey Leach  writes:

Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
connections?


As a non-gnome (and non-display-manager) user, I share these .xsession
snippets:

# Required by pipewire, at least
export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$(mktemp -d /tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir.XXX)

# Required by most things
eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`

pipewire &
pipewire-pulse &
(sleep 2 ; wireplumber & ) &


There wasn't a pipewire-specific config; it uses the same ALSA backend
as pulseaudio used.


If you don't mind answering, was it a Rhode Island Red cockerel or a hen 
which you sacrificed to learn these arcane secrets? And, full-moon at 
midnight, or dark of the moon? Or did this take moving up to a goat?
Or are you a graduate of Hogwarts? Because I am quite sure that none of 
these snippets show up anywhere in the so-called documentation. Pure 
magic, just like any sufficiently advanced technology.


Geoff
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Re: pipewire and wireplumber

[R. G. Newbury]

Geoffrey Leach  wrote:


I'm happy for you. For me, not so much :-(


I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.

Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber somewhere?

Or

should they 'just work' and I need to check my connections?

Bob Marcan wrote:
systemctl --user --now disable  wireplumber
works for me.
Obviously we are guinea pigs for this premature piece of software.


Could not agree more with the last sentence. To get audio recognized
in order I did this:
systemctl stop wireplumber.service
dnf  erase wireplumber
systemctl stop pipewire-pulse.service pipewire-pulse.socket
systemctl stop pipewire.service pipewire.socket
systemctl daemon-reload
dnf --skip-broken erase pipewire pipewire-* libpipewire* 
pipewire-media-session pipewire-pulseaudio*


dnf -y install plasma-desktop
# An error message said that plasma-desktop was deleted although that 
does not appear to be true


systemctl stop elogd.service
dnf  erase elog*
# I tried installing elog to get the global XDG_RUNTIME_DIR set: no joy 
doing that.


dnf --allowerasing --skip-broken --best install alsa* 
kde-settings-pulseaudio
dnf --allowerasing --skip-broken --best install pulseaudio* 
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

dnf --allowerasing install pavucontrol pulseaudio-module-zeroconf

The TL:DR is, that I re-installed alsa and pulseaudio after a couple of 
hours spent trying to get *anything* to connect to the hardware.


Geoff
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Re: Help configuring internal network

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-03-20 10:11 a.m.,

Tim wrote:



If you want a predictable LAN, then I really only see two ways to
manage that without major pain:

1. Run a DHCP server with a DNS server...

2. Manually configure each device to have a fixed IP.

I think you left out a third method, which uses part of your version 1.

3. Use a router and set static addresses for each device. Today, all 
routers act as DHCP servers, and setting a static address/MAC address 
pair in the router setup ensures that any listed device will get the 
same address every time. The router does not have to act as a DNS server 
for internal devices: it passes external name calls to the gateway.


You only need to access the router setup when there is a new physical 
device being added, such as a new phone. You can give it the same old IP 
but that will now be paired to the new MAC. And then the /etc/hosts file 
is merely a memorandum file to keep track of things.


Geoff
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Re: Help configuring internal network

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-03-20 8:00 a.m.,
Tim  wrote

R. G. Newbury wrote:
Controlling an hdhr with a dhcp served IP address is basically
impossible as it is hard to find that address and remember it for use
in your program. Control of the unit with most digital tv programs
requires a static IP address. Mythtv for instance will not work if
the IP address is changed, external to the mythtv program.



DHCP does not equal random new addresses each time.  On a home network,
you're extremely likely to get assigned the same address each time.
But you can ensure that by configuring the DHCP server to work that way.


'Configuring the DHCP server to work that way', is to set it to deliver 
a static address. With a dhcp server, the problem is that any change in 
the network, or the items connecting to it, can cause the dhcp server to 
deliver a different address to a unit, while a static address, once set 
as a static address, will not change. Moreover, a static address setting 
is tied to the MAC of the unit, not its FQDN.



For many things on a home LAN, configuring a DHCP server is going to be
the easiest way to set fixed IPs for every device (unless you like
manually configuring your TV, your printer, your PC, your laptop, your
smart gadgets, your internet fridge, and partridge in a pear tree.

No wonder I can never get the partridges to connect properly!
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Re: Help configuring internal network

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-03-20 8:00 a.m., Tim >R. G. 
Newbury wrote:

edit your /etc/hosts file to give the hdhomerun unit a fixed IP
address.

When has the /etc/hosts file ever given anything an IP address?


You are correct, and I am completely wrong. A static address for the 
computer would be set by editing 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eno1 (or whatever) or using the 
network config gui to do the same thing.


But everything else needs to be given an address by the router acting as 
a dhcp server or by a separate dhcp server (which can deliver a static 
address by using the MAC address of the unit to give the desired address).


Been so long since I have had to do that, I forgot which was the cart 
and which the mule.


Geoff
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Re: Help configuring internal network

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Geoffrey Leach wrote:


It will take me a while to try to understand the output from your

suggestions.

In the meantime, yes, it is a direct cable to the hdhomerun.


Then you will have to set a static IP address in your /etc/hosts file. 
There is some sort of NETGEAT unit listed in your output. If that is a 
router, it is MUCH easier to set things up with a router between the 
computer and the hdhr.


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 4:54 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:


I am pretty sure the hdhomerun usually needs a dhcp server to get an ip
address.  there may be some default ip address.  I don't see that my
hdhomeruns have a way to set an ip address.


Controlling an hdhr with a dhcp served IP address is basically 
impossible as it is hard to find that address and remember it for use in 
your program. Control of the unit with most digital tv programs requires 
a static IP address. Mythtv for instance will not work if the IP address 
is changed, external to the mythtv program.



... If you are expecting autoconfig to

be used then you need to figure out what ip address on the other end is.


And that would be the static address when you set it.


nmap -sn 169.254.20.0/24  will scan the subnet.


But you really do not want to have to do that every time you reboot, do you?


There is only one computer involved
HDHomerun is a box that converts OTA TV channels (i.e., a tuner) to a feed
that is accessed by the local system.

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Re: Help configuring internal network

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On 2022-03-19 7:46 p.m., Geoffrey Leach wrote


F35, fresh install. I have an ethernet-connected device (HDHomerun, fwiw)
newly re-compiled on the newly-installed F35 xfce4 workstation. As far as I
can tell from trying every network analysis I can find, the connection is
good (exception, no response to ping) The interface was configured with the
NetworkManager app,  that assigned the device eno1.


eno1 is your internal network port. Not the hdhomerun unit. My hdhr 
units (I have 2 therefor 4 tuners) respond to ping. But it sounds like 
your computer does not know where the hdhr is (ie its IP address). It 
won't show up unless you know what that is.

I could really use some help.


You are working from the wrong end, so to speak. It is highly likely 
that your hdhomerun is working perfectly but nor receiving the ping.


First: edit your /etc/hosts file to give the hdhomerun unit a fixed IP 
address. Your computer should have a static address too. The line in my 
hosts file looks like this:


192.168.1.80hdhomerun1  # 00:18:DD:04:67:E1  "10467E14"

(All tuners of a 2 or 4 tuner hdhr are at the same IP address).

Plug a network Cat5 cable from the hdhr to your router, and another from 
your computer to your router. It should work if you have a direct 
connection but then how are you going to talk to the world?


You can also fix static IP addresses for the computer and the hdhr in 
your router. You *should* have a static IP address, so that it does not 
change on reboot. Mythtv and most other digital tv programs *require* 
this. Once your computer and router know where the hdhr is, reboot.


During your install of the hdhomerun you should have received/installed 
a program hdhomerun_config and/or hdhomerun_config_gui. If the hdhr 
'address' is not posted on the back of the unit, use

   hdhomerun_config discover
 to discover that address/id. You will see something like this:

hdhomerun device 10467E14 found at 192.168.1.80

You need the id to test the unit. Using hdhomerun_config you can scan 
and set options, including the channelmap (us-bcast), and actually watch 
programs.
This is incredibly clunky however, so I presume that you will have 
something like mythtv or vlc installed to control the unit, and to watch 
on. Those programs can control the hdhr unit, and will receive and store 
the digital stream for later viewing.


There is lots of stuff on the silicon dust website (the manufacturer) 
and lots on the mythtv wiki (mythtv.org/wiki) including specific pages 
for the various types of hdhr boxes. Basic setup of a hdhr on mythtv is 
described here:


https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_setup

HTH

Geoffrey  (also!)
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Re: reinstalling fedora 35

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-03-18 7:42 a.m., Angelo Moreschini wrote:

I would like to ask for help about to choose the pertizioni to leave and
those to format .. starting from the current situation that I transcribe
below:


As outlined a new install will re-format *everything* as a Fedora 
install over an existing setup will re-format the '/' and everything 
contained in it. You have only the '/' partition as /dev/sdb3.


Fedora on needs to re-format the '/' and '/var' folders if you have 
partitioned any other folders onto their own partitions. The other 
partitions can be preserved across the install.


So, provided you have created a separate *partition* for /home or (for 
example) /usr/local/sbin, you can do a 'bare-metal' type install of the 
OS *without* disturbing those partitions. All of your data can carry 
over to the new install without problem. Note that those partitions do 
not need to be btrfs OR lvm. I am not sure why you are using lvm in this 
case, as there is only one drive being used for Fedora.


I am not sure if the live-install version of Fedora includes gparted. If 
not you can use sfdisk which I am sure is available on the live-install. 
But since your objective is to re-format things, the easiest route would 
just be to do an install which re-formats /dev/sdb3, then using that 
install with gparted, create partitions for the new separate folders you 
want, and re-install with that in place.



I would suggest that after /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2, which are 
efi-required that  you set up partitions for '/', '/home', '/usr/local', 
and 'var', plus any other separate partitions which you might want to 
segregate (or back up separately, such as any business related 
data/code/documents etc.) (Anything after '/' will be in an extended 
partition)


Along with /home I use a separate /misc partition, which has all the 
business-related stuff, the mysql databases, and web-site backup/local 
runtime, so none of this needs to be re-installed or even touched on a 
re-install. But it is easier to back up.


I also have a 5G '/usr/local' which has my 'personal' executables, such 
as games (FlightGear), and the mythtv setup. This partition also gets 
the java /ice-tea libraries, and calibre.


/var is  given its own partition as it gets over-written on a re-install 
(even then, with mysql/mariadb on a different partition (misc) you need 
only create a link for '/var/lib/mysql pointing to /misc/mysql to be up 
and running.


So basically it is a matter of planning for what you know must happen, 
and protecting what you what to be untouched in a separate partition.

HTH

Geoff
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Re: Fedora Laptop?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

I believe Lenovo does ? (did?) And then  there's Slimbook from 
Spain...didn't KDE also make a laptop...with Fedora as an offering?  at 
least IIRC







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On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:

Hi All,

Anyone know of someone selling laptops with
Fedora preinstalled?

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: Time to update the hardware

[R. G. Newbury]

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 23:35 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote:

Has a 240G SSD for Fedora, and 2 500G nvme ssd's for storage (both in
adapters as the MB has no M.2 slots).


Somewhat OT, but do you notice a difference between the SSD and the
NVMe+adapter combos? I don't have M.2 slots either and wondered if it
made sense for me (I have a good SATA3 SSD already).
poc
I wondered the same thing. And also whether it made a difference which 
PCIE x16 slot contained which hardware (including the nvidia GT9700 
video card.
I ran a test transferring 3GB from RAM tmpfs to each drive *using 
rsync*. That was too small a test to show any substantive difference. 
Spurred by your request I ran it again writing 23GB to each storage 
unit. I used rsync on a folder containing many various size files as a 
real world test.

Transfer 23G using rsync -a
SSD   Crucial (2012)
Disk model: M4-CT256M4SSD2
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:14:41 PM EST
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:19:38 PM EST
Diff 4:57
NVME0  WD Black SN750  (2019)
Disk model: WDS500G3X0C-00SJG0
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:19:38 PM EST
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:22:45 PM EST
Diff 3:07
HD  WD Red (2012)
Disk model: WDC WD10EFRX-68F
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:22:45 PM EST
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:28:56 PM EST
Diff 6:11
NVME1
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:28:56 PM EST
Tue 08 Mar 2022 09:31:59 PM EST
Disk model: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
Diff 3:03

So yes the NVME drives were substantially faster than the (now-old) SSD 
transferring in 60% of the time of the SSD.
I expected a greater difference between the 2 NVME drives given that the 
Samsung 970 touts a substantially higher write capability.

NVME0 is mounted in a Startech adapter: cost$13.00 Cdn about a year ago.
NVME1 is mounted in a axGear adapter, purchased through Best Buy for a 
staggering $10.99 Cdn on sale, with free shipping! So the M.2 plus 
adapter cost me $102 including tax. Very happy. Recommended.


Only caveat is that you need a free long PCIE x16 slot (although each 
adapter/M.2 only uses x4 for the 4 channels that each M.2 uses. So slot 
sharing is not actually a problem as between multiple adapters. I am 
going to swap the video card around to see if that might make a 
difference although I doubt it will.


Available here until March 10 at $10.99:
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/axgear-m-2-nvme-ssd-ngff-to-pci-e-adapter-m-key-interface-card-m2-to-pci-express/13276627

If you want more storage the Asus Ultra Quad at around $90 will handle 4 
M.2 up to 2280 drives and will handle a RAID storage setup.


HTH
Geoff




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Re: Time to update the hardware

[R. G. Newbury]

On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 10:21:05AM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 01:47 -0500, Javier Perez wrote:

Hi.
I am using Fedora 35 and everything  is working fine in general.

But I was checking out my hardware and I realized that It is from
2013. My
CPU is 4th generation intel and I am using the nvidia-470 drivers for
my
video card. Motherboard uses the H87 chipset.



I just wonder if this combination will become obsolete anytime soon
and should I worry about it...


Well in one sense it is already obsolescent tech. It attained that 
status a couple of months or maybe *days*  after it left the production 
line. But in another sense, it is NOT obsolete. It still works and does 
*exactly* what is was designed to do and within its specifications.

Of course you can do 'better' than that today. Faster etc.

My desktop has an Asus P8 series motherboard. The manual is copyright 
dated June 2011. I installed an Nvidia Geforce 9500GT in the predecessor 
motherboard and moved it over to this one when I upgraded about 4 years
ago. (It uses the nvidia-3xx series drivers! and drives a 30" Dell 
monitor I bought in early 2007).


Has a 240G SSD for Fedora, and 2 500G nvme ssd's for storage (both in 
adapters as the MB has no M.2 slots). The second 500G nvme is recent, 
*because I got tired of listening to the hard drive hum!* The 
Thermaltake closed-system water cooler is basically silent and the core 
temps are generally about 35C. If I power test the system, I get 60C.


So this is not useless tech. To get anything faster I would need to step 
up to a faster CPU and MB and RAM... for not a lot of change.


What you have seems to meet your requirements so why are you worried?

My setup works like a charm and usually has an uptime measured in weeks.

Geoff


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Re: Picking a new laptop

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2022-02-01 10:22 a.m., users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
 Subject: Re: Picking a new laptop
I recommend Lenovo. I have been using Thinkpads for about 20 years. 
Presently using an X61 and a T60, both of which are over 10 years old 
and quite usable. The X61 just needs a new battery and runs F32 just 
fine on an extension cord. Looking for a battery.


I have just installed F35 on the T60. Only problem area is audio, but I 
have NO idea about pipewire. Yet. (A problem left for the student, so to 
speak.) BTW, the T60 has all of the features of new machines, including 
roughly comparable speed, but is only a T2600 dual core. First world 
problems..
BTW, this T60 w 1450x1050 resolution screen, and 4G ram cost me the 
princely sum of $50 Canadian. I may pay more than that to upgrade the ram!


Both with larger SSDs.
If you are looking for something newer,the T4x0S line of models are the 
lighter models, running around 3 lbs or 1.4kg while still providing 
great screens. These models are available used for very decent prices.


Personally I cannot stand touchpads. I am too used to the trackpoint.

G.







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Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

And another onedunno if these are helpful..but here.


https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000126121/access-uefi-bios-system-setup-from-windows-on-your-dell-system


https://www.iseepassword.com/access-bios-on-dell-computer.html



EGO II





On 9/9/21 8:35 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

On 9 Sep 2021 at 8:21, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

From:   "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." 
Subject:Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??
To: "Michael D. Setzer II via users" 
Date sent:  Thu, 9 Sep 2021 08:21:23 -0400
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 



And you've ensured that UEFI has been turned off in the BIOS?...what about
switching from Compatibility to "ACHI"?I've noticed that sometimes? that 
simple
switch can work wondersjust a suggestion.

 From my understanding from one of the Users. They just
got 140 of these new Dell 3080 machines, and they have
no options for other than UEFI boot. The 3070 versions of
the machines had the option to do regular boots. Could be
a more complex process to enable it, but I'm sure he tried
lots of things. Got a message about Lenova doing the
same, but no specifics from that user. Went to Dell site,
but there site seems to have no options unless you
provide a code number from an actual machine??
Right now, the user is having to physically remove drives
from 3080 machine, and connect them to a 3070 machine
to do image, and then can put the drive back??





Cheers


EGO II
On 9/9/21 8:04 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
 I've found 6 web sites so far that had instructions on
 setting up a UEFI USB flash to boot, but all have failed.
 Some actually create a UEFI Flash that my test usb is
 seen as being a UEFI flash, but the boot fails?

 The last one I fully documented the steps from page, but
 the resulting flash doesn't even show up as an UEFI
 Flash. Probable due to the failure of the grub2-install
 option??
 grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI
 platforms because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.

 So, it seems it worked on some system before, but fails
 with Fedora 33 at least?? Don't want to create a UEFI
 Secure Boot, but just a UEFI Boot??


 #https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-multiboot-usb-with-linux
 parted -s /dev/sdb mklabel msdos
 parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 1MiB 551Mib
 parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 esp on
 parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 boot on
 mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1
 parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 551Mib 100%
 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2
 mkdir /media/{efi,data}
 mount /dev/sdb1 /media/efi
 mount /dev/sdb2 /media/data
 # Installing legacy grub2
 grub2-install \
  --target=i386-pc \
  --recheck \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot" /dev/sdb

 # Installing grub for efi
 grub2-install \
  --target=x86_64-efi \
  --recheck \
  --force \
  --removable \
  --efi-directory="/media/efi" \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot"
 ## grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI
 platforms because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.
 mkdir /media/data/boot/iso
 chown 1000:1000 /media/data/boot/iso
 cd /media/data/boot/iso/
 cp /home/msetzerii/g4l0.60alpha/g4l-v0.60.iso .
 cd /media/data/boot/grub2
 #create grub.cfg with these lines.
 #menuentry "G4L" {
 # isofile="/boot/iso/g4l-v0.60.iso"
 # loopback loop "${isofile}"
 # linux (loop)/isolinux/bz5x13.14 iso-scan/filename="${isofile}"
 root=/dev/ram0
 # initrd (loop)/isolinux/ramdisk.lzma
 #}

 Have just got had email chat with Clonezilla developer to see
 what they have done. Seems they gave up on trying to make a
 UEFI boot, and have created a live-cd boot of a distro to get
 around issue.

 Seems going from boot loaders link syslinux, grub4dos, and
 regular grub2 with a 10M kernel and 30M ramdisk.
 With Fedora, it would require the 2G live CD image, and then the
 downloading of a number of packages that are not included on
 the live-cd. So, 40M to 2000+M and a bunch of steps.

 Does anyone know of a process to make a UEFI USB Boot that
 actual works using Fedora??

 Very Frustrated...

 


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Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

I couldn't remember which key it was...so I found this...maybe one of 
these might help?...


https://www.4winkey.com/windows-tips/how-to-access-enter-bios-on-dell.html






EGO II





On 9/9/21 8:35 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

On 9 Sep 2021 at 8:21, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

From:   "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." 
Subject:Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??
To: "Michael D. Setzer II via users" 
Date sent:  Thu, 9 Sep 2021 08:21:23 -0400
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 



And you've ensured that UEFI has been turned off in the BIOS?...what about
switching from Compatibility to "ACHI"?I've noticed that sometimes? that 
simple
switch can work wondersjust a suggestion.

 From my understanding from one of the Users. They just
got 140 of these new Dell 3080 machines, and they have
no options for other than UEFI boot. The 3070 versions of
the machines had the option to do regular boots. Could be
a more complex process to enable it, but I'm sure he tried
lots of things. Got a message about Lenova doing the
same, but no specifics from that user. Went to Dell site,
but there site seems to have no options unless you
provide a code number from an actual machine??
Right now, the user is having to physically remove drives
from 3080 machine, and connect them to a 3070 machine
to do image, and then can put the drive back??





Cheers


EGO II
On 9/9/21 8:04 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
 I've found 6 web sites so far that had instructions on
 setting up a UEFI USB flash to boot, but all have failed.
 Some actually create a UEFI Flash that my test usb is
 seen as being a UEFI flash, but the boot fails?

 The last one I fully documented the steps from page, but
 the resulting flash doesn't even show up as an UEFI
 Flash. Probable due to the failure of the grub2-install
 option??
 grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI
 platforms because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.

 So, it seems it worked on some system before, but fails
 with Fedora 33 at least?? Don't want to create a UEFI
 Secure Boot, but just a UEFI Boot??


 #https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-multiboot-usb-with-linux
 parted -s /dev/sdb mklabel msdos
 parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 1MiB 551Mib
 parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 esp on
 parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 boot on
 mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1
 parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 551Mib 100%
 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2
 mkdir /media/{efi,data}
 mount /dev/sdb1 /media/efi
 mount /dev/sdb2 /media/data
 # Installing legacy grub2
 grub2-install \
  --target=i386-pc \
  --recheck \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot" /dev/sdb

 # Installing grub for efi
 grub2-install \
  --target=x86_64-efi \
  --recheck \
  --force \
  --removable \
  --efi-directory="/media/efi" \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot"
 ## grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI
 platforms because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.
 mkdir /media/data/boot/iso
 chown 1000:1000 /media/data/boot/iso
 cd /media/data/boot/iso/
 cp /home/msetzerii/g4l0.60alpha/g4l-v0.60.iso .
 cd /media/data/boot/grub2
 #create grub.cfg with these lines.
 #menuentry "G4L" {
 # isofile="/boot/iso/g4l-v0.60.iso"
 # loopback loop "${isofile}"
 # linux (loop)/isolinux/bz5x13.14 iso-scan/filename="${isofile}"
 root=/dev/ram0
 # initrd (loop)/isolinux/ramdisk.lzma
 #}

 Have just got had email chat with Clonezilla developer to see
 what they have done. Seems they gave up on trying to make a
 UEFI boot, and have created a live-cd boot of a distro to get
 around issue.

 Seems going from boot loaders link syslinux, grub4dos, and
 regular grub2 with a 10M kernel and 30M ramdisk.
 With Fedora, it would require the 2G live CD image, and then the
 downloading of a number of packages that are not included on
 the live-cd. So, 40M to 2000+M and a bunch of steps.

 Does anyone know of a process to make a UEFI USB Boot that
 actual works using Fedora??

 Very Frustrated...

 


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Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Would wiping the computer's hard drives help in any way?you 
know...like working with a "clean slate"?and I believe its F12 for 
getting in the the Bios?..but F2 or F8 to get to the BIOS settings...I 
only ask because I recall a time when I had a Dell Vostro and a Dell 
XPS...they both gave me problems...then I' booted into a Live version of 
Fedora Linux and wiped their drives clean...left them formatted as 
NTFS...and then attempted installs.after getting into the BIO menu I 
disable UEFI and installed Pop-OS on the XPSand the Vostro which was 
for someone else got Linux mint...with no problem. (Never really 
understood the need for trying to hide or lock down the UEFI 
feature...some people who are computer savvy WANT the option of leaving 
it on or taking it off!)







EGO II

On 9/9/21 9:15 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:04:04 +1000
Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:


Does anyone know of a process to make a UEFI USB Boot that
actual works using Fedora??

I've always used:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive

I created a big utility USB stick with it than can boot the
giant collection of ISO images I put on the stick. It can boot
either "normal" MSDOS or UEFI, but I've found a lot of computers
that don't like one or the other for some reason. I just boot
whichever version I can get to work. Here's my notes for setting up
the initial stick:

If starting from scratch, use gparted to erase all partitions
from the usb stick.

Create a 4 GB fat32 partition labeled BOOTUSB

Create an ext4 partition labeled DATAUSB in remainder of space.

Using /dev/sdc as the example name of the usb stick device, run these
commands to install grub on the BOOTUSB partition (taken from
the web page at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive).

mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
mkdir /mnt/boot
grub2-install --target=i386-pc --recheck --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdc
grub2-install --target x86_64-efi --removable --boot-directory=/mnt/boot 
--efi-directory=/mnt

Now copy in the grub.cfg file (gets very specific to my case after
this).
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Re: Failure in gsetting up a UEFI USB Flash with Fedora 33??

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

And you've ensured that UEFI has been turned off in the BIOS?...what 
about switching from Compatibility to "ACHI"?I've noticed that 
sometimes? that simple switch can work wondersjust a suggestion.





Cheers



EGO II

On 9/9/21 8:04 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
I've found 6 web sites so far that had instructions on setting up a 
UEFI USB flash to boot, but all have failed.
Some actually create a UEFI Flash that my test usb is seen as being a 
UEFI flash, but the boot fails?


The last one I fully documented the steps from page, but the resulting 
flash doesn't even show up as an UEFI Flash. Probable due to the 
failure of the grub2-install option??
grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI platforms 
because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.


So, it seems it worked on some system before, but fails with Fedora 33 
at least?? Don't want to create a UEFI Secure Boot, but just a UEFI Boot??



#https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-multiboot-usb-with-linux
parted -s /dev/sdb mklabel msdos
parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 1MiB 551Mib
parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 esp on
parted -s /dev/sdb set 1 boot on
mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1
parted -s /dev/sdb mkpart primary 551Mib 100%
mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2
mkdir /media/{efi,data}
mount /dev/sdb1 /media/efi
mount /dev/sdb2 /media/data
# Installing legacy grub2
grub2-install \
  --target=i386-pc \
  --recheck \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot" /dev/sdb

# Installing grub for efi
grub2-install \
  --target=x86_64-efi \
  --recheck \
  --force \
  --removable \
  --efi-directory="/media/efi" \
  --boot-directory="/media/data/boot"
## grub2-install: error: this utility cannot be used for EFI platforms 
because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot.

mkdir /media/data/boot/iso
chown 1000:1000 /media/data/boot/iso
cd /media/data/boot/iso/
cp /home/msetzerii/g4l0.60alpha/g4l-v0.60.iso .
cd /media/data/boot/grub2
#create grub.cfg with these lines.
#menuentry "G4L" {
#    isofile="/boot/iso/g4l-v0.60.iso"
#    loopback loop "${isofile}"
#    linux (loop)/isolinux/bz5x13.14 iso-scan/filename="${isofile}"  
root=/dev/ram0

#    initrd (loop)/isolinux/ramdisk.lzma
#}

Have just got had email chat with Clonezilla developer to see what 
they have done. Seems they gave up on trying to make a UEFI boot, and 
have created a live-cd boot of a distro to get around issue.


Seems going from boot loaders link syslinux, grub4dos, and regular 
grub2 with a 10M kernel and 30M ramdisk.
With Fedora, it would require the 2G live CD image, and then the 
downloading of a number of packages that are not included on the 
live-cd. So, 40M to 2000+M and a bunch of steps.


Does anyone know of a process to make a UEFI USB Boot that actual 
works using Fedora??


Very Frustrated...


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Re: Fedora 34 does not install on laptop, screen freezes

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Is there any way for you to connect an external display and then to try 
installing? (Just to eliminate the possibility of the graphics card 
being the issue) and then if it DOES install, then once you disconnect 
you should be ok. That's what I would do.





Cheers!


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On 8/18/21 12:35 AM, Javier Perez wrote:

Hi
I have a very old Acer 3050 laptop
The graphics card is |Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS482M 
[Mobility Radeon Xpress 200]|


Initially it starts well , but after a few minutes the screen  freezes 
hard with a white wash


Installation does not complete.
How can I finish installation and troubleshoot this?
Is there a way to install command line?

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Re: Font Issue.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Hmmnever though of changing my keyboard layout. I might give that a 
try...as for the walking / sitting? I'm going to have to break down and 
get a standing desk, with an electric motor...so that I can alternate 
between the two, I can only say thank goodness I was never "heavy" in my 
youth..I've not gained much weight (due to the pandemic and being 
stationary and all that) but I AM noticing the usual "belly" fat 
starting to increase around my waist. Might be time for a strict 
exercise regimen...thanks for the info and recommendations!!




Cheers!



EGO II

On 5/25/21 10:40 AM, stan via users wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2021 11:45:27 -0400
"Eddie O'Connor"  wrote:


Looking this up now!.(old age...is scary!turning 50 this
yearand all the things I took for granted?...are starting to play
"catch-up!sitting for long hours in a dimly lit room?...paying
for that with my eyesightlong sessions sitting in my desk
chair?...paying for that with my aching back, typing all manner of
documents for hours at a time?paying for that with my aching
finger-joints!) and that last point made it necessary to switch from
my beloved dasKeyboard, to a Red Dragon K557, yeah...its got
RGB...something I wasn't interested inbut the FEEL of the
keys!?...and the tactile touch without the massive amount of forced
needed for the dsKeyboard, make it a godsend!

Yeah, the way of all flesh.  I'm reminded of a sign I used to see.  It
was a back country road, and there was a long, steep hill with a sharp
turn at the bottom.  It was common to pick up a lot of speed
coming down the hill.  Someone had placed a sign at the bottom of the
hill, just before the turn, that said, "Prepare to meet thy Lord." :-)

We're still using the venerable Mark I version of the body.  At some
point we'll have enough knowledge of the system to start correcting its
design flaws (it's designed to make lots of babies early and often, not
for longevity) in Mark II.  But we're not there yet, my guess is
sometime within the next century, no major upsets occurring.  After
that, the sky is the limit.  In five centuries, we would probably think
the 'people' (won't be homo sapiens) of that time are aliens.

You might want to look into an ergonomic keyboard, and using a
different keyboard layout.  QWERTY was designed to slow down typists so
they wouldn't go too fast for the mechanical typewriters of the time and
jam them up, but it is terrible for the hands.  Common alternatives are
Colemak or Dvorak. A good way to learn a new keyboard layout is to play
the old text game nethack with the keypad turned off.  It then uses the
keys of the keyboard for movement and everything else.  I went a step
farther and designed my own custom key mapping that fits my use case.
Approximately 80% home row, and the most frequently used keys under the
strongest fingers.

Think about some way to change your setup so you can alternate standing
and sitting.  Probably not easy, easier to just go for a walk, or do
some of the restorative exercises available for viewing on the web to
counter the long fixed positions of your muscles.

Eyes, use dark themes, and if you wear glasses, get some specially made
for looking at close objects like computer screens.  Optometrists will
be familiar with the requirement.

Again, these work for me, but your mileage might differ.
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Re: What sets QT_IM_MODULE in F33?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2021-03-27 at 07:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 26/03/2021 16:55, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > Using Fedora 33 with MATE desktop...
> > 
> > I'm working with the developer of a very handy RPN calculator app
> > called rpCalc to figure out why it doesn't work for my regular user
> > 'doc' but works perfectly for a newly created user 'test'. The
> > developer strongly suspects a Qt5 setting. We have narrowed our
> > search to my local environment:
> > 
> > $ env | grep QT
> > QT_IM_MODULE=xim
> > QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0
> > QT_SCALE_FACTOR=2
> > 
> > The developer believes the first (set to =xim) is causing rpCalc
> > not to function at all, and that the next two cause the font sizes
> > on the calculator buttons  to be oversize.
> > 
> > I'm looking for one or more config files -- probably in my home
> > directory -- that set these variables. Talk about looking for a
> > needle in a haystack.
> > 
> > Is there a cat | grep command (or equiv) that can recursively look
> > for "QT" in all files in my home directory -- including hidden
> > files? It would have to be able to output the full path to any
> > files in which "QT" is found. Unfortunately cat does not support
> > recursive searches.
> > 
> 
> I don't know about the other 2, but QT_IM_MODULE is related to "Input
> Method".
> 
> The "best" way to change that is to install and run "im-chooser".
> I've never tried to us "X compose table" (xim) as my
> input method.  I use ibus.

Ed,

To work correctly, the rpcalc app also needs to have QT_IM_MODULE=ibus.
I don't know what sets it to xim, but whatever sets it to xim is
tenacious. I've tried both "im-chooser" and a simple manual change:

$ set QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
$ export QT_IM_MODULE
$ env QT_IM_MODULE
QT_IM_MODULE=xim

If I create a new user "test" and log on with that userID, the input
method defaults to ibus and rpcalc works. So the brute force method to
correct my problem might be to totally blow away and recreate my
current user account. That would be very destructive.

--Doc
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Re: Identifying what is accessing a USB device.

[R. G. Newbury]

Subject: Identifying what is accessing a USB device.



I have an external USB-3 2-disk docking station, and a script which can
power up and down the drives as needed.

I have a systemd automount unit that correctly powers up the dock when
accessed, then mounts the drives (thanks Ed).

After an idle time, automount unmounts the drives. A script detects
when this happens and powers them down ... *at which point they
immediately power up again, and remain up until I intervene manually,
even though they are unmounted*.

This never happens if I run the script directly from the command line
(i.e. the drives power down and stay down).


> I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas.

The systemd service unit has a Restart=on-failure, or a Restart=always 
line???


Geoff
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What sets QT_IM_MODULE in F33?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

Using Fedora 33 with MATE desktop...

I'm working with the developer of a very handy RPN calculator app
called rpCalc to figure out why it doesn't work for my regular user
'doc' but works perfectly for a newly created user 'test'. The
developer strongly suspects a Qt5 setting. We have narrowed our search
to my local environment:

   $ env | grep QT
   QT_IM_MODULE=xim
   QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0
   QT_SCALE_FACTOR=2

The developer believes the first (set to =xim) is causing rpCalc not to
function at all, and that the next two cause the font sizes on the
calculator buttons  to be oversize.

I'm looking for one or more config files -- probably in my home
directory -- that set these variables. Talk about looking for a needle
in a haystack.

Is there a cat | grep command (or equiv) that can recursively look for
"QT" in all files in my home directory -- including hidden files? It
would have to be able to output the full path to any files in which
"QT" is found. Unfortunately cat does not support recursive searches.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 13:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 3/13/21 11:19 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That
> > iso 
> > file should never have been released as part of the general
> > distribution.
> > 
> > I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that
> > fits 
> > on a blank DVD.
> 
> My first thought is to report it as a bug.

This would be my first attempt at using the CentOS bug tracking system,
and I gotta say it is one of the most complicated I've ever seen.

Could anyone familiar with that system please file a bug on my behalf?
 Particulars:

"CentOS 7.9.2009 DVD iso image too large"

ISO image: CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso 4.7GB raw CD image
Wed Nov  4 05:37:25 2020
Burners: Both K3B and Brasero
Media: Both DVD-R and DVD+R single-layer disks

iso image: 4,712,300,544 bytes
User Anthony F McInerney advises Wikipedia says DVD-R capacity:
4,707,319,808 bytes (max)

Incidentally, I have tried burning this same iso image on two different
machines: a CentOS 7.9 server and a Fedora 33 laptop. Same failure on
both.

Thanks,

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 18:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:49 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > 
> > The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone
> > who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't
> > do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too
> > large?
> 
> There's a bunch of bugs.
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/brasero/-/issues
> 
> Pretty sure last time I burned a DVD-RW I used wodim from the command
> line.
> 
> > 
> > In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
> > drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
> > Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.
> 
> Hmm, I've got a vintage 2006 Dell laptop that boots from a USB stick.
> There might have been a BIOS setting to enable it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris Murphy

Chris,

Totally different BIOS. This is for a PowerEdge server, and it's
running the latest v1.12 release from last summer. There's no option
for booting a thumb drive. A Google search confirmed that.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 15:28 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it
> worked.


Paul,

If by DVD-R DL you mean "dual layer", that's an 8.5GB media. I just
tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB blank disk. In the Burn
Medium block it says "Capacity of the medium in ThinkPad Ultraslim DVD
(/dev/sr0) is smaller than required".

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

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On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 02:26 +, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 22:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
> > > Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
> > > > DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
> > > > blank disk isn't big enough.
> > > > 
> > > > --Doc Savage
> > > >     Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> > Terry,
> > 
> > The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone
> > who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't
> > do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too
> > large?
> > 
> > In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
> > drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
> > Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> >     Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> According to wikipedia DVD-R gets you the closest:  4,707,319,808 
>  (MAX)
> 
> CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso  bytes: 4,712,300,544
> 
> It's only slightly over, it's possible that at least k3b and maybe
> xfburn supports 'overburn' . (I remember this more from the CD days
> than DVD though).
> 
> Otherwise I wonder if you could use 'ISO Master' and downsize it
> slightly.

Anthony,

THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That iso
file should never have been released as part of the general
distribution.

I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that fits
on a blank DVD.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
> > DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
> > blank disk isn't big enough.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> >     Fairview Heights, IL

Terry,

The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who
CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is
it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?

In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is
not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell
PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk
isn't big enough.

--Doc Savage
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Re: can't upgrade from fedora 31 to Fedora 32

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

Paolo,

This is a common problem. Upgrade scripts frequently stumble when
packages from external repositories are installed. These can usually be
individually uninstalled manually (dnf erase ) before running the
upgrade script. Keep a list of the manually removed packages and try
re-installing them after the upgrade completes.

Hope this works for you.

Incidentally, you'll want to upgrade to F33 very soon since F32 will go
EOL shortly after F34 is released.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL

On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 15:03 -0800, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> Folks,
>    I was trying to upgrade my Fedora 31 system to F32, but it failed
> due 
> to conflicts.  Here's the output:
> 
> sudo dnf system-upgrade download --skip-broken --refresh --
> releasever=32
> Before you continue ensure that your system is fully upgraded by
> running 
> "dnf --refresh upgrade". Do you want to continue [y/N]: y
> Adobe Systems Incorporated   27 kB/s | 2.9 kB
> 00:00
> Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64   60 kB/s |  14 kB
> 00:00
> negativo17 - Nvidia 4.9 kB/s | 3.9 kB
> 00:00
> Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 - Updates 30 kB/s | 8.1 kB
> 00:00
> Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates 34 kB/s | 9.9 kB
> 00:00
> Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates    841 kB/s | 3.3 MB
> 00:03
> Fedora 32 - x86_64   35 kB/s |  14 kB
> 00:00
> google-chrome    12 kB/s | 1.3 kB
> 00:00
> google-earth-pro 28 kB/s | 1.3 kB
> 00:00
> google-earth 29 kB/s | 1.3 kB
> 00:00
> RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Free - Updates    13 kB/s | 3.4 kB
> 00:00
> RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Free 5.8 kB/s | 3.0 kB
> 00:00
> RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Nonfree - Updates 12 kB/s | 3.0 kB
> 00:00
> RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Nonfree  4.6 kB/s | 2.6 kB
> 00:00
> skype (stable)  3.9 kB/s | 2.9 kB
> 00:00
> Fedora 32 - x86_64 - VirtualBox  62 kB/s | 2.9 kB
> 00:00
> Visual Studio Code   24 kB/s | 3.0 kB
> 00:00
> Modular dependency problem:
> 
>   Problem: conflicting requests
>    - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module 
> gimp:2.10:3120191106095052:f636be4b-0.x86_64
> Error:
>   Problem 1: package erlang-libguestfs-1:1.40.2-8.fc31.x86_64
> requires 
> libguestfs(x86-64) = 1:1.40.2-8.fc31, but none of the providers can
> be 
> installed
>    - libguestfs-1:1.40.2-8.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a
> distupgrade 
> repository
>    - problem with installed package erlang-libguestfs-1:1.40.2-
> 8.fc31.x86_64
>   Problem 2: package php-recode-7.3.24-1.fc31.x86_64 requires 
> php-common(x86-64) = 7.3.24-1.fc31, but none of the providers can be 
> installed
>    - php-common-7.3.24-1.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
> repository
>    - problem with installed package php-recode-7.3.24-1.fc31.x86_64
>   Problem 3: package pyorbit-devel-2.24.0-29.fc31.x86_64 requires 
> pyorbit = 2.24.0-29.fc31, but none of the providers can be installed
>    - pyorbit-2.24.0-29.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade 
> repository
>    - problem with installed package pyorbit-devel-2.24.0-
> 29.fc31.x86_64
> 
> Note that packages erlang-libguestfs, php-recode, and pyorbit-devel
> do 
> not exist in F32.
> 
> So how do I go about upgrading to F32?
> 
> Paolo
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Re: Any recent progress toward Fedora support for Raspberry Pi 4?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 09:51 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 03:46:12PM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via
> users wrote:
> > With 8 GB the Pi4 finally has enough memory to be a fairly
> > satisfactory
> > workstation. By "headless server" do I understand you to mean you
> > have
> > no desktop installed?  If so, I need more.
> 
> I suggest following up on the thread I mentioned, then.  They have a
> UEFI boot and anaconda working.  I just chose the simplest method of
> copying the exisitng Fedora aarch64 image to an SD card, since I have
> a more limited requirements than you.
> 
> Even with 8GB of RAM, the system isn't exactly fast, particularly
> with
> slow media.  Unless they can get an NVME connector, it's going to be
> a
> slow workstation.

Jonathan,

Besides offering far more RAM than its predecessors, the Pi 4 can boot
and run from a thumb drive which is substantially faster than an old
microSD card. Not a gaming machine, but a good (and tiny) alternative
to desktop PCs.

--Doc
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Re: Any recent progress toward Fedora support for Raspberry Pi 4?

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On Mon, 2021-01-11 at 13:03 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> 
> Probably worth following htis thread:
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/a...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/BTCBRUNAFMUBM2NW23QH5NQ5IT3X6CN6/
> 
> I'm currently running the 4GB variant of the Raspberry Pi 4 with the
> stock aarch64 image, installed with 'fedora-arm-image-installer
> --target=rpi4 '.  It doesn't have all the features but as a
> headless server, it works fine.

Jonathan,

With 8 GB the Pi4 finally has enough memory to be a fairly satisfactory
workstation. By "headless server" do I understand you to mean you have
no desktop installed?  If so, I need more.

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Any recent progress toward Fedora support for Raspberry Pi 4?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

I have a Pi4 with 8G of RAM sitting in the corner of my desk gathering
dust waiting for a chance to run Fedora/ARM64. Officially it's not
supported:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Supported_Hardware

>From time to time I hear rumors of upstream efforts to bring the Pi4
into the supported fold, but not much recently. Can anyone shed any new
light on this?

--Doc Savage
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Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Mon, 2020-12-28 at 07:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 28/12/2020 06:04, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > Here's the environment:
> > 
> > Bulk storage server for whole home
> > - 45drives.com Storinator
> > - 1 of 3 payload bays populated with 15 x 4TB drives in a 39 TB ZFS
> > raidz3 array
> > - OS is CentOS 8.3 with array
> > - NFS shared as /tank
> > - /etc/exports  contains   /tank
> >  192.168.1.0/24(rw/sync,root_squash)
> > - samba not yet configured
> > 
> > Linux laptop
> > - ThinkKPad P72 with 2 TB NVME boot drive
> > - OS is Fedora 33
> > - /etc/fstab contains   store:/tank /tank nfs defaults 0 0
> > - tank array mounted on /tank
> > 
> > Windows 10 Pro PC
> > 
> > My original concept was to create a 240 GB VM in the /tank/VM/
> > space and prototype C7, C8, or F33 versions of a physical storage
> > server at a client site with a 240 GB SSD boot drive and 4 x 500 GB
> > LVM RAID5 array served out with Samba to multiple client PCs and
> > MACs.
> > 
> > I wanted to use a TigerVNC client on the Linux laptop to set up and
> > configure the 240 GB VM on the storage server, but because the
> > upstream author has munged its systemd conversion this is no longer
> > possible. I also wanted to use RDP to connect the Windows PC to
> > test samba connections on the VM running TigerVNC server.
> > 
> > Unfortunately I've run into permissions hell and can get none of
> > these working. I would like to find an alternative to TigerVNC that
> > will work in the target environment.
> 
> To verify.
> 
> 1.  The VM's disk will be located on the file system mounted on that
> laptop at /tank in a subdirectory VM.
> 2.  The VM is running on the laptop.  That is, the laptop is running
> virt-manager.  Meaning the laptop is the host.
> 3.  Your user is a member of the libvirt group.
> 
> (Ignoring for the moment that it isn't clear to me what you mean by,
> and where the 240 GB SSD boot drive
> and 4 x 500 GB LVM RAID5 array resides.  And/or, if that storage is
> to be part of the C7, C8 VM's in some
> manner.)
> 
> If the above is true, then I see no need to connect to the storage
> server via VNC.
> 
> On the laptop I would run something akin to
> 
> qemu-img create -f qcow2 /tank/VM/F33.qcow2 240G
> 
> Then running virt-manager on the laptop follow the steps to create a
> new VM and in the step to create or choose
> the storage location point to /tank/VM/F33.qcow2.

Ed,

Imagine I were trying to do all this on one machine. I would use virt-
manager to create a 240 GB VM on the laptop and install a working copy
of the client's fileserver OS there. (I would also create a small Samba
disk later to test operation from a Windows PC, but let's not get
tripped up on that just yet.)

Now disperse this scenario. Run virt-manager on the laptop and create a
VM on the storage server. To test the correct configuration of the VM,
I will need to have a VNC installed in that VM and connect to it from
the Windows PC. If I need to make any changes, I'll go back to the VNC
client on the laptop and make any mods required.

The trouble with this dispersal concept is that the various components
don't cooperate permissions-wise. This is partly due to classic rwx
permissions, partly systemd misconfiguration, and partly other stuff I
haven't quite figured out.

I should point out that the storage server is not in a convenient
location, which is why I want it to have a VNC server and also one in
each of the VMs I build in its payload bay. Simple ssh connections
without desktops aren't enough.

And I have created the 240 GB image file on the storage server:

# ls -l /tank/VMs/
total 1
-rwxrw-rw-. 1 doc doc 257698037760 Dec 26 10:57 U-Studios.img

The problem is the virt-manager on my laptop can't connect to it.

# dir /tank/VMs/
total 1
-rw---. 1 root root 257698037760 Dec 26 10:57 U-Studios.img

Virtual Machine Manager Connectiono libvirt
qemu+ssh://doc@storinator/system.
Configure SSH key access for the remote host, or install an SSH askpass
package locally.
Would you still like to remember this connection?

Details:

Unable to connect to libvirt qemu+ssh://doc@storinator/system.

Configure SSH key access for the remote host, or install an SSH askpass
package locally.

Libvirt URI is: qemu+ssh://doc@storinator/system

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/connection.py", line 922, in
_do_open
self._backend.open(cb, data)
File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtinst/connection.py", line 153, in
open
conn = libvirt.openAuth(self._open_uri,
File "/usr/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 104, in
openAuth
i

Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sun, 2020-12-27 at 12:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 27/12/2020 11:39, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > Snapshot:  I want to build and use a 240 GB  C7.9 VM from my F33
> > laptop using NFS storage from a C8.3 server
> > 
> > Reality: You can't get there from here. At every step there's a
> > permissions blockage, and none is a simple rwx problem.
> 
> Do I understand you correctly when I say you want your C(entos) 7
> VM's disk storage to reside on
> your C(entos) NFS server?
> 
> If so, that is pretty much what I do.
> 
> My F33 desktop had several VM's defined.  While I don't use that much
> storage the F33 system has,
> for example.
> 
> [root@meimei images]# pwd
> /var/lib/libvirt/images
> 
> [root@meimei images]# ll f33k.qcow2
> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 27 Aug 29 16:35 f33k.qcow2 -> /aux/qemu-
> images/f33k.qcow2
> 
> [root@meimei images]# df -T | grep aux
> nas:/volume1/aux nfs4 5621463168 1946477440 3674985728  35% /aux
> 
> The system "nas" is a Synology NFS server.

Ed,

Here's the environment:

Bulk storage server for whole home
- 45drives.com Storinator
- 1 of 3 payload bays populated with 15 x 4TB drives in a 39 TB ZFS
raidz3 array
- OS is CentOS 8.3 with array
- NFS shared as /tank
- /etc/exports  contains   /tank  192.168.1.0/24(rw/sync,root_squash)
- samba not yet configured

Linux laptop
- ThinkKPad P72 with 2 TB NVME boot drive
- OS is Fedora 33
- /etc/fstab contains   store:/tank /tank nfs defaults 0 0
- tank array mounted on /tank

Windows 10 Pro PC

My original concept was to create a 240 GB VM in the /tank/VM/ space
and prototype C7, C8, or F33 versions of a physical storage server at a
client site with a 240 GB SSD boot drive and 4 x 500 GB LVM RAID5 array
served out with Samba to multiple client PCs and MACs.

I wanted to use a TigerVNC client on the Linux laptop to set up and
configure the 240 GB VM on the storage server, but because the upstream
author has munged its systemd conversion this is no longer possible. I
also wanted to use RDP to connect the Windows PC to test samba
connections on the VM running TigerVNC server.

Unfortunately I've run into permissions hell and can get none of these
working. I would like to find an alternative to TigerVNC that will work
in the target environment.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
 
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Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-12-24 at 13:47 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:30:19PM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via
> users wrote:
> > The primary mission of the server is mass storage (19 TB ZFS).
> > Direct
> > console (MATE) and ssh connections meet those needs just fine. It's
> > the
> > new mission objective of using that huge back-end storage space for
> > creating virtual machines to prototype new client servers (not yet
> > purchased). A VNC supporting the MATE desktop would be ideal since
> > the
> > local console is located in an inconvenient space. My plans to use
> > TigerVNC to access virtual machines on this server now seem to be
> > torpedoed.
> 
> For this use case, have you considered using the built-in VNC
> functionality
> of virt-manager?

Matt,

Snapshot:  I want to build and use a 240 GB  C7.9 VM from my F33 laptop
using NFS storage from a C8.3 server

Reality: You can't get there from here. At every step there's a
permissions blockage, and none is a simple rwx problem.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-12-24 at 13:07 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 11:29:02AM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via
> users wrote:
> > what alternative VNC can folks recommend in its place? I seriously
> > need
> > one to support development of virtual machines hosted on a server
> > with
> > huge storage, and the local console of that storage machine is not
> > in a
> > suitable place for development.
> 
> Does X2Go work for your use cases?
> 
> https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/start
> 
> Or, wait, since you're running VMs, have you considered using VNC as
> the
> graphics console for your VMs and connecting directly?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Miller
> 
> Fedora Project Leader

Matt,

The primary mission of the server is mass storage (19 TB ZFS). Direct
console (MATE) and ssh connections meet those needs just fine. It's the
new mission objective of using that huge back-end storage space for
creating virtual machines to prototype new client servers (not yet
purchased). A VNC supporting the MATE desktop would be ideal since the
local console is located in an inconvenient space. My plans to use
TigerVNC to access virtual machines on this server now seem to be
torpedoed.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: nvme crash

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On Mon, 2020-12-14 at 20:19 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14/12/2020 13.20, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:42 PM Eyal Lebedinsky
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I am not sure which list this should go to, so I am starting
> > > here.
> > > 
> > > I run f32 fully updated
> > >  5.9.13-100.fc32.x86_64
> > > on relatively new hardware
> > >  kernel: DMI: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z390 UD/Z390
> > > UD, BIOS F8 05/24/2019
> > 
> > > boot/root/swap/data is on nvme
> > >  WD Blue SN550 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD WDS100T2B0C
> > 
> > I can't tell from WD's website if there's any newer firmware
> > available. They seem to hide this information within the Windows-
> > only
> > software "Western Digital Dashboard". If you have Windows already
> > installed, it's straightforward to install this and find out if the
> > firmware is up to date.
> 
> Option 1) My nvme disk is on the mobo which has only one slot. I have
> access to a windows laptop
> but I will also need an external nvme/USB adapter - will the
> Dashboard work this way?
> Will a fw update leave the disk content safe?
> 
> I will try something else first.
> 
> > There is a boot parameter 'nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us'
> > which
> > takes a value in usec, but I can't find a value specific to this
> > make/model NVMe. My gut instinct is, it's a hack put in by upstream
> > kernel developers to work around a proper autodetect solution
> > between
> > PCIe intereface and the drive. I would sooner return the drive and
> > get
> > one known to work. I can vouch for Crucial, Seagate, and Samsung
> > SSD
> > and NVMe for the most part.
> 
> Option 2) Reading the reports (and more) I decided to test the boot
> param
> nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0
> which I understand turns off the APSTE feature.
> 
> > Oh here's a bug report
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844905
> > 
> > That leads here:
> > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208123
> > 
> > comment 1 is a more solid lead than comment 2, because comment 2 is
> > a
> > value that is based on what? A guess? Reading the rest of the
> > thread,
> > it's still uncertain.
> > 
> > 
> > > For the second time this disk stopped working (first was about
> > > two months ago).
> > > It seems that the disk failed hard and could not be reset, the
> > > machine was powered off/on.
> > > I think (not sure) that last time I just hit the reset button but
> > > it did not boot.
> > > 
> > > The machine was booted (after dnf update) around 8pm, and crashed
> > > at 4am.
> > > 
> > > Following the earlier crash a serial console was set up which is
> > > how I can see the failure messages.
> > > 
> > > == nvme related messages
> > > [    7.488638] nvme nvme0: pci function :06:00.0
> > > [    7.536593] nvme nvme0: allocated 32 MiB host memory buffer.
> > > [    7.541819] nvme nvme0: 8/0/0 default/read/poll queues
> > > [    7.558122]  nvme0n1: p1 p2 p3 p4
> > > [   19.590010] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p3): mounted filesystem with
> > > ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
> > > [   20.653500] Adding 16777212k swap on /dev/nvme0n1p2. 
> > > Priority:-2 extents:1 across:16777212k SSFS
> > > [   20.820539] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p3): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
> > > [   23.137206] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p1): mounted filesystem with
> > > ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
> > > [   23.210717] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p4): mounted filesystem with
> > > ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
> > > ## nothing unusual for 8 hours, then
> > > [28972.459036] nvme nvme0: I/O 840 QID 6 timeout, aborting
> > > [28972.464757] nvme nvme0: I/O 565 QID 7 timeout, aborting
> > > [28972.470277] nvme nvme0: I/O 566 QID 7 timeout, aborting
> > > [28973.291025] nvme nvme0: I/O 989 QID 1 timeout, aborting
> > > [28978.603061] nvme nvme0: I/O 990 QID 1 timeout, aborting
> > > [29002.667243] nvme nvme0: I/O 840 QID 6 timeout, reset
> > > controller
> > > [29032.875421] nvme nvme0: I/O 24 QID 0 timeout, reset controller
> > > [29074.097644] nvme nvme0: Device not ready; aborting reset,
> > > CSTS=0x1
> > > [29074.110354] nvme nvme0: Abort status: 0x371
> > > [29074.114953] nvme nvme0: Abort status: 0x371
> > > [29074.119523] nvme nvme0: Abort status: 0x371
> > > [29074.124114] nvme nvme0: Abort status: 0x371
> > > [29074.128710] nvme nvme0: Abort status: 0x371
> > > [29096.645478] nvme nvme0: Device not ready; aborting reset,
> > > CSTS=0x1
> > > [29096.652210] nvme nvme0: Removing after probe failure status: -
> > > 19
> > > [29119.165921] nvme nvme0: Device not ready; aborting reset,
> > > CSTS=0x1
> > > ## many I/O errors on nvme0 (p2/p3/p4) repeating until a reboot
> > > at 8:30am
> > > ## one different message, appearing just once:
> > > [29123.800844] nvme nvme0: failed to set APST feature (-19)
> > 
> > I'd take the position that it's defective and permit the
> > manufacturer
> > a short leash to convince me otherwise via a tech support call or
> > email. But I really wouldn't just wait around for another

Re: Book for Fedora & one for bash

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2020-12-19 at 08:36 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 15:55, Kostas Sfakiotakis
>  wrote:
> > 
> > Can someone suggest a good book for Fedora ( well at least with
> > systemd 
> > ) and one for bash a relatively recent one but please not just for
> > bash 
> > scripting .
> > 
> 
> 
> It is usually a mistake to focus on a single distro and shell
> environment.   If you
> plan to be around for a while you will encounter many changes, so a
> broader
> perspective is useful.   I started on unix when the documentation was
> a binder
> of reprints of papers by people at AT&T Bell Labs
> 
> and man pages.  Those early papers are still worth reading for
> perspective 
> on the underlying reasoning behind the shell and utilities.   
> 
> In many fields, work is increasingly done by distributed groups
> working in 
> different enterprises, each with different choices of Linux distro,
> so
> linux users often need to understand differences between
> distributions.   As an
> example, I developed and maintained a (very specialized) scientific
> application 
> that started out with Fortran on a CDC Cyber, moved to Dec VAX,
> Ardent/Stardent 
> UNIX, SGI IRIX, and then various linux distros, macOS, and (thanks to
> COVID-19, 
> Cygwin) (all this was with a single employer).
> 
> The application uses a number of shell scripts that started out using
> ksh on IRIX, 
> then bash for macOS and linux.  I recently updated the scripts to
> work with dash.   
> Either I'm slowing down or the pace of change has been increasing.
> 
> I've owned many editions of UNIX and Linux System Administration,
> see 
> .   
> > 
> > Also another question if i may ask , is there a way to monitor the
> > boot 
> > process on Fedora and see what get's written to the disk and if
> > possible 
> > where
> > 
> > ( granted pressing the F1 button will pop up a message saying for 
> > example  Starting the httpd daemon but a bit more detail on that if
> > possible ) ??
> > 
> 
> 
> Most daemons have debugging options that provide more detail.  
> UNIX and Linux System Administration has a good introduction, 
> then you may need to read the detailed documentation for the 
> version you are using.

If you haven't already done so, carefully review the Fedora 33
documentation
at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f33/, especially the
Installation and System Administration guides. As I have just
discovered with the TigerVNC application, this documentation may not be
universally perfect. Stuff changes all the time. Buta, together with
the bash PDF previously cited, these two guides should answer 99.99% of
your Fedora questions.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: problem with NVMe disk at install

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-12-23 at 09:46 -0500, C Linus Hicks wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-12-23 at 02:55 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 11:10 AM François Patte
> >  wrote:
> > > Bonjour,
> > > 
> > > I want to install fedora 33 on NVMe SSD disks and I have 2 such
> > > devices 
> > > but anaconda sees only one of them...
> > > 
> > > I can see both in the bios.
> > 
> > Does the firmware have an option for these drives? Such as, raid or
> > ahci?
> > 
> > Pretty sure it needs to be ahci.
> > 
> 
> You need to find a driver for that specific device that works with
> Fedora, then load that driver
> during the install process. There's an option you can specify on the
> boot command to tell it where
> to look for the custom driver.

I have two NVME SSDs in my ThinkPad laptop. They were originally joined
in a RAID1 array using an Intel fake-RAID chip. I had to logically
separate them in the BIOS by changing a storage setting from RAID to
AHCI and rebooting. I was then able to install Fedora to one of the two
devices which then appeared as /dev/nvme0 and /dev.nvme1. Like always,
a Fedora installation to a system which already has Windows 10
installed allowed me to choose one of the NVME drives for Fedora. GRUB2
allows me to dual boot to either.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-12-23 at 18:15 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II via users
wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2020 at 23:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> 
> Subject:Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??
> To: Community support for Fedora users 
> 
> From:   Samuel Sieb 
> Date sent:  Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:04:46 -0800
> Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 
> 
> 
> > On 12/22/20 10:06 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> > > On 22 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > > On 12/22/20 8:13 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> > > > > Problem is: If it works, you can no longer locally log into
> > > > > that user id,
> > > > > since it is configured for only the vnc session on that
> > > > > user??
> > > > 
> > > > That doesn't make sense.  Can you explain what you mean?
> > > 
> > > Never said it made sense. Just what it is.
> > > 
> > > If you set up a user account they way they say. It will start a
> > > vnc session
> > > on boot up with that user and that port. You can then vnc into
> > > the
> > > computer on that port and use the computer.
> > > 
> > > If you try to log in locally on that computer with that user id,
> > > the log in
> > > doesn't work, and it goes immediately back to the log in screen..
> > 
> > Oh, that's what you mean.  I thought you meant you couldn't ssh
> > into it 
> > using that user or something like that.  Ok, then that's just the
> > same 
> > thing that you were saying further down.  You can't have multiple 
> > graphical sessions for the same user.  It just doesn't work.  Have
> > you 
> > ever been able to do that with vncserver?  It's never worked for
> > me.  Or 
> > it sort of worked briefly, but sooner or later things go badly
> > wrong.
> 
> I think if you try and run a local session and vnc session with both
> using 
> gnome desktop there are issues with it. But I always run the vnc
> session 
> with the xfce desktop and never had a problem. I've also had no
> problem 
> running xfce locally with a vnc xfce session. Seems gnome is doing 
> something with dbus, and causes a conflict with both sessions trying
> to 
> use the same dbus settings??

My situation is similar, except that I use MATE exclusively. I am
trying to understand why the upstream maintainer's solution allows only
a single TigerVNC logon using a particular UserID. In other words, if I
have a local USER-A and a TigerVNC USER-A, if one is logged on the
other cannot. Does this mean that a TigerVNC USER-A will not have
access to local USER-A's home directory, and vice versa. If so, this is
ludicrous.

If TigerVNC has been so badly mangled in the name of systemd support,
what alternative VNC can folks recommend in its place? I seriously need
one to support development of virtual machines hosted on a server with
huge storage, and the local console of that storage machine is not in a
suitable place for development.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: vncserver program disappered on FC32??

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-09-16 at 16:54 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> It looks like what happened is that the upstream project removed that
> wrapper script. This kind of update probably shouldn't have been
> submitted for Fedora 32, but now that it's in the wild, I've opened a
> bug[1] to request the package maintainer add a script that points
> users to new instructions. You can see the new instructions in the
> HOWTO.md file in the package repo[2].
> 
> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1879739
> [2]
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/tigervnc/blob/518baca222c94fb7f4499f5426dd0d10e4b419e7/f/HOWTO.md
> 
> -- 
> Ben Cotton
> He / Him / His
> Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream
> Red Hat
> TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolise

Ben,

When I followed the TigerVNC installation and configuration
instructions in the F33 SysAdmin Guide, I suspected something had been
overtaken by systemctl. But when I followed the instructions in link
[2], I'm still getting pretty much the same unhelpful error:

# systemctl start vncserver@:1
Job for vncserver@:1.service failed because the control process exited
with error code.
See "systemctl status vncserver@:1.service" and "journalctl -xe" for
details.

# systemctl status vncserver@:1.service
* vncserver@:1.service - Remote desktop service (VNC)
Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/vncserver@.service; disabled;
vendor preset: disabled)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2020-12-22 18:02:39 CST;
23s ago
Process: 153994 ExecStart=/sbin/runuser -l doc -c /usr/bin/vncserver :1
-geometry 1280x1024 (code=exited, status=203/EXEC)
CPU: 1ms

Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: Starting Remote desktop
service (VNC)...
Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[153994]:
vncserver@:1.service: Failed to execute command: Permission denied
Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[153994]:
vncserver@:1.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /sbin/runuser:
Permission denied
Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: vncserver@:1.service:
Control process exited, code=exited, status=203/EXEC
Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: vncserver@:1.service:
Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Dec 22 18:02:39 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: Failed to start Remote
desktop service (VNC).


What does 203/EXEC mean to you??

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Only Amazon.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor]

Could bring this on!LoL! Can't believe some of these 
characters!Hahaa!!



Coming To America TWO!? 






EGO II

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Re: Printing Hell

[R. G. Newbury]

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:20:11 -0600
From: Richard Shaw
I've had my HP ENVY Photo 7800 series printer working fine for some time
and then I got stupid.

While looking for a BIOS update for my HP ENVY laptop I noticed there was a
new firmware for my printer and went ahead and installed it. Since then
I've been completely unable to print but I'm not sure 100% of it is the
printer's fault.

<>snip>

And then:
"Unable to locate printer "HP9C7BEF8B3751.local"."
Ideas?


I wonder if the "update" installed a new duplicate conf file, which is 
not referenced *while printing*, but is referenced through cups when you 
add the printer.


A global search from various places (/usr, /etc/, /opt, /home/$user, 
/root) for key word segments in a file name might disclose the duplicates:


find  -H -L . -type f  -iname "*search-term*"

( the *xxx* catches substring matches in a filename).

Geoff
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Re: fedora on amd ryzen 7

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

I too was wondering about this, as I am in the process of building a PC 
for both my son and I...he wants an AMD Ryzen 7 "5xxx" seriesI was 
going to go with the Ryzen 5 "5xxx" series. Nice to know it works with 
no issues. Now if only I can get some decent GPU's without having to pay 
"NASA" prices for 'em!@...LoL!







EGO II

On 12/4/20 11:08 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:03 AM Amadeus W.M. via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


My trustworthy dell precision 7400 has finally died - although I
may be
able to resurrect it. I'm looking into building a new pc, and I'm
considering an AMD Ryzen 7 processor, with the appropriate
motherboards
and peripherals.

Does fedora run on that, and are there any known issues? Most of
the work
I do is programming, so I need the development suite - gcc/g++, gdb,
emacs, etc. I'm not looking for a processor recommendation, just
want to
know what to expect with fedora on amd.


Been running Fedora on AMD systems for more than a decade. No 
significant issues. My primary workstation where I do all of my 
packaging/development work is a Ryzen 5 3600 with an older A370 
motherboard. My son runs the same processor on an X570 MB.


I've also recently acquired an HP ENVY x370 with 4500U processor. 
Fedora runs great, the only problem is the lack of S3 suspend so I 
have to shut it down when I'm done using it.


Thanks,
Richard

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Re: brasero versus k3b?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 06:09 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 6:30 PM Tom Horsley 
> wrote:
> > I needed to write an iso image to a DVD-R. I run brasero and
> > 
> > it claims there is no drive on the system. I run k3b in the
> > 
> > same login session, and it works fine. Does brasero only work if
> > 
> > I'm running a full gnome session with the 10,487 gnome daemons
> > 
> > in the background? (I'm running a custom fvwm session, not gnome).
> 
> Brasero is not well maintained but it's still strange it didn't see
> your drive at all. In either case, I moved on to xfburn for general
> use and use the command line (xorriso) for dual layer DB burning.
> 
> https://www.gnu.org/software/xorriso/

Richard,

Side comment:  I recently had to burn a small ISO to a CD-R in F32 with
the MATE desktop. K3B simply didn't work, but rusty trusty Brasero got
the job done with no muss or fuss.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Nautilus Using 100 CPU - RESOLVED

[Eddie G. O'Connor]

Welp.


It was the HDD.it was "bad"...and on its way out...I made backups of
everything?installed a brand spanking new 512GB SSD.(incredibly
cheap now on Amazon.com!!)and installed FC32. Everything is all good
now. I dunno why it was just Nautilus that was acting flaky, but I'm
glad its over now. Thanks everyone for your assistance!


Question: Will the switch to BTRFS have any effects on my SSD?...and the
EXT4 file system it currently has?...



Cheers!






EGOI II
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Re: Parallel port card?

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Tue, 2020-10-06 at 10:26 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-10-05 23:04, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > Anyone know of a good quality (not star tech) parallelport adapter
> > that is Fedroa 32 friendly?
> > Many thanks,-T
> 
> Anyone have any experience with these guys?
> https://lavaports.com/serial-parallel-cards/products-pcie-bus-io-cards/parallel-pcie/
> 
> They are industrial grade.

That's just what I need to resurrect my Diablo 630 daisy wheel printer.
All I would need is a Diablo printer driver and a box of fan-fold
paper. :-)
--Doc SavageFairview Heights, IL
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Nautilus Using 100 CPU

[Eddie G. O'Connor]

Greetings all,


I have been using Fedora for quite some time now, and I've only recently
seen this problem on my system (Lenovo ThinkPad T-420 / 1TB 2.5" SSD /
16GB RAM / i5-Quad Core CPU) I have kept my system up-to-date, by making
sure to always download and install updates. But recently (as in about
three weeks ago?) whenever I've tried to open up "Files" (aka nautilus)
on my Gnome desktop, it literally freezes, and then after about 5
minutes tells me that nautilus is not responding and gives me the option
of either forcing it to shut down or wait. I've checked everything I
could,...removed all installed apps that might be the cause of it. (The
one that I most recently installed was VS Codium) but I removed:

Vivaldi (alternate web browser)

Clementine (Music player)

Geany (IDE)

NotepadQQ (Text Editor)


and still when I try to open itit hangs / freezes. Has anyone seen
this before?...is there a solution? Because from what I've
googlednone of the bugtracker submissions show a resolution.



Thanks In Advance!


EGO II

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Re: Relating to Rawhide

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

David,

I recently purchased a new Pi 4 w/8GB in a CanaKit. That kit contains 
absolutely everything I needed to stand up a Pi 4b w/8GB and 32-bit 
Rasbpian/Debian (10) - with the exception of an HDMI flat panel monitor. The 
red & white plastic USB keyboard and mouse in the kit are as cheesey as they 
come, but they work. Fortunarely a Logitech Cordless Desktop also works 
perfectly with its little Logi USB dongle. And the WiFi DHCP also works just 
fine.

I haven't quite confirmed the bad news yet, and that's that the 
Fedora-Workstation-32-1.6.aarch64.raw.xz image cannot be installed on the Pi 
4b. Something was reportedly still incomplete upstream in this April 24 
release. That's a shame because I despise Rasbpian. The only promising lead 
I've found is 
https://medium.com/ironhaul/installing-64-bit-fedora-on-thIte-raspberry-pi-4-d4a665ea65d3.

The author, Miki Shapiro reports "Sadly, Fedora does not currently support [as 
of April 5] the Pi 4b, its u-boot boot loader doesn't fit the Pi 4b like a 
glove, and the kernels as of this moment do not run stable on the Pi 4b model 
or support some of its hardware." He goes on to say "This guide will show how 
to put the above together in minimally working order. Because I need to repeat 
shi a lot, I cut some Ansible code to do it all."

I've been threatening to dig into Ansible, and this sounds like the right 
project to begin with. The Pi 4b with 8GB of RAM finally has enough real memory 
to graduate from a toy to a tiny workstation class. Furthermore, I believe I 
will be able to install Fedora 32 on and boot it from a USB 3.1 thumb drive 
rather than a microSD card, very significantly improving the r/w speeds for the 
OS itself. As of July 21 04:22 there's a 
Fedora-Server-dvd-aarch64-Rawhide-20200721.n.0.iso that may have three critical 
months worth of catch-up improvements from upstream.

I won't be able to get working on this until next week at the earliest. If you 
can take this info and give us a breakthrough before then, all virtual beers 
will pour your way.

--Doc Savage
 Fairview Heights, IL

-Original Message-
From: David 
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Relating to Rawhide
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 13:07:25 -0500
...
I am looking forward to reading about how Fedora performs on the upcoming 
Raspberry Pi 4, with 8 GB of RAM.
...Cheers,


David Locklear
Novice Rawhide user




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Network Manager Wait Online service fails to start

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

I've started playing with DashBoard on F32. When I saw this error under 
Services, I wondered if it might be a factor in a WiFi problem. Has anyone else 
run into this? If so, how did you resolve it?
--Doc SavageFairview Heights, IL
Network Manager Wait OnlineStatusFailed to startAutomatically starts
Path/usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager-wait-online.serviceRequiressystem.sliceNetworkManager.servicesysinit.targetWanted
 
Bynetwork-online.targetConflictsshutdown.targetBeforenetwork-online.targetshutdown.targetAftersystem.slicebasic.targetNetworkManager.servicesystemd-journald.socketsysinit.targetService
 LogsJuly 12, 2020
8:32 PM
Failed to start Network Manager Wait Online.systemd
8:32 PM
NetworkManager-wait-online.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.systemd
8:32 PM
NetworkManager-wait-online.service: Main process exited, code=exited, 
status=1/FAILUREsystemd
8:31 PM
Starting Network Manager Wait Online...systemd
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Re: nfs mount problem -

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

Speaking from personal experience, I always forget to set the firewalls to 
allow NFS traffic on both sides of the link.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL


-Original Message-
From: Bob Goodwin 
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Subject: nfs mount problem -
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 12:08:30 -0400

I have been chipping away at incorporating a new ASUS RT-ACFH13 router in my 
system for a few days but it is beginning to seem like an eternity! I have used 
a number of routers and they usually work after some configuration, it's not a 
difficult thing to do. But I am beginning to wonder if this one has some 
unusual defect. It's wifi works, the iPhones, iPads, a Mac portable, even a 
Windows10 portable seem to connect without complaints.
But my wired ethernet NFS server and the SMB server do not? The USB connected 
drive is listed but shows as "not mounted."the NFS server is listed among the 
wired devices along with two Workstations and a Brother printer all of which 
work, but the NFS server does not. and from this computer I get 
"192.168.50.32access denied":
[root@WS1 bobg]# mount 192.168.50.32:/nfs4exports/home /media/nfsmount.nfs: 
access denied by server while mounting 192.168.50.32:/nfs4exports/home
I can ssh to 192.168.50.32 and from there I can ssh back to either workstation, 
systemctl status shows sshd Active on both of them. I have changed nothing in 
the NFS server, the router set the ip addresses in the .50 subnet which is ok I 
would think.
What am I missing or should I return the router to Amazon?   Bob
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Re: How do I change the grub kernel boot parameters in F32 ?

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2020-06-09 8:11 p.m.Stephen Morris wrote

if in /etc/default/grub you have the entry GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=true
that inserts a line into the grub processes to use the new BLS standard,=20
in which case grub2-mkconfig and possibly grubby do nothing until that=20
entry is set to false. I have always use grub2-mkconfig because I have=20
never liked what grubby generated, and what BLS generates appears to be=20
the same as what grubby does, and I found that I had to set that entry=20
to false for grub2-mkconfig to continue to work.


THANKS FOR THAT, Steve!

I could not get grub2-mkconfig to actually change the grub.cfg file. Now 
I know why ( but not why such a dangerously misdescriptive switch would 
be hidden away in a default file).
In the past I would just edit the damn file, but the new motherboard 
uses EFI, and such hands-on fixing might lead to an undesired result!


Geoff
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

On Mon, 08 Jun 2020 16:02:02 -0400 "Garry T. Williams"

 wrote
On Monday, June 8, 2020 
12:41:03 PM EDT R. G. Newbury wrote:

On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb  wrote:

On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G.  Newbury wrote:

It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable
selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I
forgot to do that.

That should never be necessary.

Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an
objectionable and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible
to get rid of.

I imagine that he meant that restoring some file context that was
modified incorrectly by the root user would be a better way to solve
the problem, thus disabling was not necessary.


Unfortunately Samuel did not add anything about restoring the file 
context and I took his response to contain a modicum of 'Karen'. My bad(?)

Obviously I cannot know what the problem really is, but it has been
many years since I even came close to disabling selinux.  It is hard
to belive that a brand new system was created with an invalid file
context.  Those kinds of bugs don't get past updates-testing these
days.  So whatever was going on as the root user is almost certainly
to blame.Well on reflecting, I cannot see anything which I could have done. As 
noted, it was a bare metal install (actually the second to the new 
SSD,as after the first go-around, I realized I needed more room on one 
of the partitions, so I re-booted with a rescue disk, used gparted to 
change the partition structure and installed. After the installation 
re-boot, I upgraded some 527 packages, and re-re-booted into a new kernel.
I then started transferring (by rsync) the data for the /home, /misc and 
/usr/local partitions. Somewhere in there, the error started popping up.


I have, since then, tracked down a certain slowness in the login, to the 
lack of an xorg.conf file. It is possible that xinit was trying to 
report that it was having trouble connecting, as I found that message in 
the Xorg.0.log. But, why would xinit be unauthorized? The mystery 
continues. I don't think I did anything wrong or bad. Most of my 
interactions involved long wait periods while processes processed


Geoff
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2020-06-08 2:42 p.m.>Samuel Sieb  wrote> On 6/8/20 
9:41 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote:>> On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel 
Sieb  wrote:>>> On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury 
wrote:>>>> Oddly 1) I was running as root... so*who/what*  was the 
'unauthorized>>>> sender'? and>>> That sounds like a likely cause right 
there.  Why are you doing that?>> Wow! So running as root causes error 
messages? Pull the other leg, it>> has bells on it!> Yes, running a 
graphical interface as root is likely to cause error> messages.
I find that concept very intriguing. I would be interested in learning 
exactly how
or when running as root in a graphical session can *cause* an error. 
Root is uid 0 (zero).
There are no gradations or ranks within root. It seems completely 
irrational to me, that linux would be designed and implemented in a 
manner such that the ultimate power that is, does things 'wrong' by default.


This is entirely apart from the question of running things as root, 
which in general terms, I consider 'a good thing' as distinct to 'a bad 
thing'. YMMV. The only time which I can remember where I inadvertently
deleted something in bulk, that I had not intended, I was running as a 
regular user, and deleted things *on the laptop*, forgetting that I was 
ssh'd into the laptop in that console. Would not have mattered if I was 
root. It wasn't boken but I frixed it anyway.


Geoff



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e: Hourly Error ,> Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2020-06-08 2:42 p.m.,Jonathan Billings  wrote
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 
12:41:03PM -0400, R. G. Newbury wrote:

Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it has
bells on it!

And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand new
drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files from
backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If you want to
type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead.

Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it.

Were you logging into the graphical session as root, or logging in as
a normal user and starting a root shell with sudo?  Or were you using
root at the console login instead of the graphical login?


At the time I was logging into the graphical session as root. 'Who' the 
unauthorized sender is/was is the conundrum. Seems to be related to 
selinux, since disabling that killed the error message. But why it 
happened in the first place, I have no idea. And at this point, as 
someone said, what difference does it make?

Geoff
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb  wrote:
On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. 
Newbury wrote:

It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable
selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to
do that.

That should never be necessary.


Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an objectionable 
and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible to get rid of.



Oddly 1) I was running as root... so*who/what*  was the 'unauthorized
sender'? and

That sounds like a likely cause right there.  Why are you doing that?


Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it 
has bells on it!


And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand 
new drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files 
from backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If 
you want to type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead.


Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it.

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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:30:04 -0600 Jerry James  wrote

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:54 PM R. G. Newbury  wrote:
> Brand new Fedora 32 KDE spin installation. Seems to work nicely, except:
>
> I have an error notification popping up, every hour, in the bottom right
> corner of the screen:
>
> Plasma Desktop Workspace (and the minutes since the message was posted,
> or the time, hourly of a previous message)
> Update Error
> Sender is not authorized to send message.

That sounds like a dbus error.  Have you seen any indication of an
SELinux denial?  If not, run "journalctl -x" in a terminal and search
for "Sender is not authorized to send message".  Does it appear?  If
so, what are the lines immediately above and below that?
*

It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable 
selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to 
do that.
A quick edit to /etc/selinux/config and a reboot solved removed the 
annoyance. (I cannot say 'solved the problem as I have no idea what the 
actual problem was: this was the 'sledge-hammer for walnuts' resolution.)


Now how you deciphered that that was where the error came from is just 
further evidence that far too much of system management is arcane magic: 
 Clarke's Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic.


Oddly 1) I was running as root... so *who/what* was the 'unauthorized 
sender'? and

2) Journalctl showed NOTHING about errors.

Thanks for the help Jerry







 R. Geoffrey Newbury
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Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

[R. G. Newbury]

Hi all,

Brand new Fedora 32 KDE spin installation. Seems to work nicely, except:

I have an error notification popping up, every hour, in the bottom right 
corner of the screen:


Plasma Desktop Workspace (and the minutes since the message was posted, 
or the time, hourly of a previous message)

Update Error
Sender is not authorized to send message.

Searching produces NO answers using any combination of those words.

Can anyone assist? It's very annoying.
R. Geoffrey Newbury 
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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

-Original Message-
From: Tim via users 
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To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: Tim 
Subject: Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 11:26:29 +0930

On Sun, 2020-05-31 at 12:17 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> It has nothing to do with NetworkManager.  If both interfaces areactive at 
> the same time, NetworkManager will set the ethernet port asthe default.  You 
> can even have both interfaces with the same addressand everything still 
> works.  I usually set my laptops up like this.

I tried to do that once, with my systems.  But my DHCP server won't letme 
assign the same IP to two different MACs. Tim,
Use static IP addressing for both interfaces. Your DHCP server won't care.
--Doc SavageFairview Heights, IL

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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

-Original Message-
From: Ed Greshko 
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
To: Fedora 
Subject: Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:30:30 +0800

On 2020-05-31 15:56, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-31 15:51, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 5/31/20 12:40 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 2020-05-31 15:31, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > > That's not normal.  Normally you can have both ethernet and wifi 
> > > > connected at the same time.  But for some reason, your laptop has a 
> > > > physical wifi disable when the ethernet cable is plugged in.
> > > FWIW, this article
> > > https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/sk/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-p72-type-20mb-20mc/solutions/HT500407
> > > 
> > > suggests the P72 and a Fn key sequence to enable/disable the Wifi.  My 
> > > old Acer laptop has a similarkey sequence which operates on the HW level 
> > > independent of any OS.
> > Yes, most laptops have that, but from what he's said that's not the 
> > problem.  The wifi is only disabled when the ethernet cable is plugged in.  
> > That's the weird part, but since it also happens in windows, it must be a 
> > hardware thing.
> OK, this was a rather long thread which I wasn't closely following.  I just 
> recall him saying at the start thatthere wasn't a switch on the laptop. 

I looked back in the thread and I could find no indication that the Fn key 
sequence was indicated to exist orwas tried.
I understand that plugging in the ethernet cable results in a hard block.  
However, it seems one should at least see if the Fn key then overrides that.  
If that has been tried I can't find it.  Then again, I've been distractedthese 
days.
Most Windows users that I know only have one interface active at a time.  So, 
the design of the ethernetdisabling Wifi may be based on those types.  :-) :-)
-- The key to getting good answers is to ask good 
questions.___
Ed,
The toggling behavior between Ethernet and WiFi is not new. It has been 
standard on the P72 since I purchased it and installed F29 in November 2018. I 
seem to recall the same behavior in the ThinkPad W700 laptop that the P72 
replaced. I believe it's controlled by NetworkManager and has been simple and 
automatic. While the address configurations for copper and WiFi need not be 
different, I prefer setting the same local static address in each mode. That 
way all local systems can communicate continuously with the ThinkPad no matter 
which interface is active.

--Doc Savage
 Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

-Original Message-
From: George N. White III 
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 09:08:07 -0300

On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 05:31, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> I looked back in the thread and I could find no indication that the Fn key 
> sequence was indicated to exist or
> 
> was tried.
> 
> 
> 
> I understand that plugging in the ethernet cable results in a hard block.  
> However, it seems one should at least see if the Fn key then overrides that.  
> If that has been tried I can't find it.  Then again, I've been distracted
> 
> these days.
> 
> 
> 
> Most Windows users that I know only have one interface active at a time.  So, 
> the design of the ethernet
> 
> disabling Wifi may be based on those types.  :-) :-)

Many of my friends, my father, my siblings, and I have all worked for various 
government agencies or contractors (for one of this group, all the Lenovo 
laptops were confiscated by IT).  WiFi was not permitted in many government 
workplaces, and you were not allowed to connect a switch or router to the one 
LAN port in your office/cubicle.   Some people got around this by running AP's 
on their laptops, so it would not surprise me that a Lenovo laptop marketed to 
governments would have firmware that does not allow simultaneous use of 
ethernet and wifi.   I once attempted to purchase a couple Lenovo laptops, but 
was told I had to work with Lenovo's government sales office.  I was told they 
normally deal in purchases quantities in the many 1000's, but always had a few 
extras built so if I could wait until an order was complete I might be able to 
get one of the extra systems.   I assume those extras end up being sold in 
irregular channels.   
 
-- 
George N. White III



George,
Completely off-topic. 
--Doc SavageFairview Heights, IL
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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

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On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 00:37 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/27/20 3:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> 
> Is that the only references to rfkill?  Did the log start at boot up?
> Try searching also for "KILL", it's likely in the wifi device 
> initialization.

No, it was just a group of four repeating lines. Here's the entire
output since rebooting yesterday:

Immediately after reboot, from  00:05:17 - 00:05:38

# journalctl -b | grep rfkill
May 29 00:05:17 tiger.protogeek.org kernel: thinkpad_acpi: rfkill
switch tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: radio is unblocked
May 29 00:05:19 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: Listening on Load/Save
RF Kill Switch Status /dev/rfkill Watch.
May 29 00:05:19 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:05:24 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: systemd-rfkill.service: 
Succeeded.
May 29 00:05:24 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:05:24 tiger.protogeek.org kernel: audit: type=1131
audit(1590728724.799:94): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=systemd-rfkill
comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=?
terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.2538] rfkill2: found Wi-Fi radio killswitch (at
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:14.3/ieee80211/phy0/rfkill2) (driver
iwlwifi)
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.2540] manager[0x560023bbe080]: rfkill: Wi-Fi
hardware radio set enabled
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.2540] manager[0x560023bbe080]: rfkill: WWAN
hardware radio set disabled
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.2638] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi disabled by radio
killswitch; enabled by state file
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.2639] manager: rfkill: WWAN enabled by radio
killswitch; disabled by state file
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:05:30 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728730.4670] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi now enabled by radio
killswitch
May 29 00:05:33 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590728733.9596] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi now disabled by radio
killswitch
May 29 00:05:38 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: systemd-rfkill.service: 
Succeeded.
May 29 00:05:38 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'

Here I disconnected the copper Ethernet cable, from  00:07:33 -
00:18:14

May 29 00:07:33 tiger.protogeek.org kernel: rfkill: input handler
disabled
May 29 00:07:33 tiger.protogeek.org gsd-media-keys[8459]: Failed to
grab accelerator for keybinding settings:rfkill
May 29 00:07:57 tiger.protogeek.org kernel: rfkill: input handler
enabled
May 29 00:18:09 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590729489.0225] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi now enabled by radio
killswitch
May 29 00:18:09 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:18:14 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: systemd-rfkill.service: 
Succeeded.
May 29 00:18:14 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'

Reconnected the copper Ethernet cable, from  00:31:43 - 00:31:48

May 29 00:31:43 tiger.protogeek.org NetworkManager[1132]:
  [1590730303.2728] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi now disabled by radio
killswitch
May 29 00:31:43 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 29 00:31:48 tiger.protogee

Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 00:37 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/27/20 3:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > Here's what "journalctl -b" tells me:
> > 
> > May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org rfkill[14554]: unblock set for
> > all
> > May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1
> > uid=0
> > auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
> > msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd"
> > exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
> > hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
> > May 27 16:48:56 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: systemd-
> > rfkill.service:
> > Succeeded.
> > May 27 16:48:56 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1
> > uid=0
> > auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
> > msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd"
> > exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
> > hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
> 
> Is that the only references to rfkill?  Did the log start at boot up?
> Try searching also for "KILL", it's likely in the wifi device 
> initialization.

No. It was the final instance of four lines that repeat every time I
disconnect my copper Ethernet cable and the system tries to light up
the WiFi connection. In my next reply I'll send the entire output
following a restart.

> What is the "lspci" line for your wifi device?

# lspci
...
00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560
[Jefferson Peak] (rev 10)
...

> > It looks like every time the service tries to start wifi with
> > rfkill,
> > SOMETHING is turning it around and stopping it. As the rfkill list
> > command shows, this denial will apparently be done on all wifi
> > connections that are stored in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts:
> 
> systemd-rfkill is a static service, it runs when called and then
> stops.
> 
> > # rfkill list
> > 2: phy0: Wireless LAN
> > Soft blocked: no
> > Hard blocked: yes
> > 
> > Since there is no hardware switch to enable/disable WiFi on the
> > ThinkPad P72, there must be some configuration command I can give
> > that
> > turns "Hard blocked: yes" to "Hard blocked: no".
> 
> No, that's the difference between a "hard" block and a "soft" block. 
> You need to find out why rfkill thinks the hardware is blocked.

Because of a recent event where the opposite situation occurred -- wifi
but no copper connectivity -- I decided to perform this 3-step
experiment:

1. State immediately following a restart with copper Ethernet
connected:

$ rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
1: hci0: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes

2. Disconnect copper Ethernet and allow NetworkManager to try setting
up wifi:

$ rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
1: hci0: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no

3. Reconnect copper Ethernet and allow NetworkManager to finish:

$ rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
1: hci0: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes

This test appears to show that NetworkManager is actually controlling
the Wireless LAN hard blocking. 

My working theory is to the problem is in NetworkManager.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL


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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 10:29 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 07:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > Now I have to be distracted looking for a better theme.  :-)
> 
> Isn't that what Microsoft does?
> 
> Gives you pointless user-configuration toys for the look of your
> desktop, to distract you from the terrible user-experience of
> actually
> using the OS.
>  
> -- 
>  
> uname -rsvp
> Linux 3.10.0-1127.8.2.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 12 16:57:42 UTC 2020
> x86_64
>  
> Boilerplate:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically
> deleted.
> I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing
> list.

Tim,
Ed,
Todd,
Patrick,

Would you fellows please take your HTML discussion somewhere else and
leave this thread to the original subject, which has yet to be
resolved.

Thanks.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 14:39 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/27/20 2:02 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 11:37 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 5/27/20 11:08 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 10:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > > > On 5/27/20 9:06 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > > > > > After closing the lid on my P72 laptop last week and moving
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > to the
> > > > > > livig room, I could not resume F32 when I raised the lid. I
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > to hard
> > > > > > power cycle it, and after bootup I was unable to connect to
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > WiFi
> > > > > > router. The router is fine, and WiFi works fine in the
> > > > > > dual-
> > > > > > booted
> > > > > > Windows 10. But I can't figure out how to kick start my
> > > > > > WiFi
> > > > > > connection.
> > > > > > I have restarted the P72 multiple times, with no success.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > copper
> > > > > > Ethernet connection works fine.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Any suggestions how to kickstart it? When I try ifup I get
> > > > > > this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > # ifup ATT
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device
> > > > > > found
> > > > > > for this
> > > > > > connection (device lo not available because device is
> > > > > > strictly
> > > > > > unmanaged).
> > > > > 
> > > > > What is the output of "nmcli c" and "rfkill list"?
> > > > 
> > > > # rfkill list
> > > > 
> > > > 2: phy0: Wireless LAN
> > > > 
> > > > Soft blocked: yes
> > > > 
> > > > Hard blocked: yes
> > > 
> > > There's the problem.  Somehow you've triggered the wifi kill
> > > switch.
> > > Check for a hardware switch around the outside or a keyboard
> > > function
> > > key related to wifi.
> > 
> > There's no physical WiFi switch on the P72. As I said, when I dual-
> > boot
> > to Windows 10 the WiFi works perfectly. The problem is within F32.
> 
> The "Hard blocked: yes" means that something thinks the hardware is 
> disabled.  Check the journal "journalctl -b" and search for "rfkill"
> to 
> see what is triggering it.
> 
> > Is there a file I can edit to re-enable WiFi which "nmcli c" seems
> > to
> > show is disabled in software somewhere?
> 
> "nmcli d" might give better info.

Sam,

(In all plain text for those whose clients can't handle HTML...)

Here's what "journalctl -b" tells me:

May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org rfkill[14554]: unblock set for all
May 27 16:48:50 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
May 27 16:48:56 tiger.protogeek.org systemd[1]: systemd-rfkill.service: 
Succeeded.
May 27 16:48:56 tiger.protogeek.org audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-rfkill comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'

It looks like every time the service tries to start wifi with rfkill,
SOMETHING is turning it around and stopping it. As the rfkill list
command shows, this denial will apparently be done on all wifi
connections that are stored in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts:

# rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
3: hci0: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no

Since there is no hardware switch to enable/disable WiFi on the
ThinkPad P72, there must be some configuration command I can give that
turns "Hard blocked: yes" to "Hard blocked: no".

Or is there something else?

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL

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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 11:37 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/27/20 11:08 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-05-27 at 10:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 5/27/20 9:06 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > > > After closing the lid on my P72 laptop last week and moving it
> > > > to the
> > > > livig room, I could not resume F32 when I raised the lid. I had
> > > > to hard
> > > > power cycle it, and after bootup I was unable to connect to my
> > > > WiFi
> > > > router. The router is fine, and WiFi works fine in the dual-
> > > > booted
> > > > Windows 10. But I can't figure out how to kick start my WiFi
> > > > connection.
> > > > I have restarted the P72 multiple times, with no success. The
> > > > copper
> > > > Ethernet connection works fine.
> > > > 
> > > > Any suggestions how to kickstart it? When I try ifup I get
> > > > this:
> > > > 
> > > > # ifup ATT
> > > > 
> > > > Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found
> > > > for this
> > > > connection (device lo not available because device is strictly 
> > > > unmanaged).
> > > 
> > > What is the output of "nmcli c" and "rfkill list"?
> > 
> > # rfkill list
> > 
> > 2: phy0: Wireless LAN
> > 
> > Soft blocked: yes
> > 
> > Hard blocked: yes
> 
> There's the problem.  Somehow you've triggered the wifi kill switch. 
> Check for a hardware switch around the outside or a keyboard
> function 
> key related to wifi.

Sam,

There's no physical WiFi switch on the P72. As I said, when I dual-boot 
to Windows 10 the WiFi works perfectly. The problem is within F32.

Is there a file I can edit to re-enable WiFi which "nmcli c" seems to
show is disabled in software somewhere?

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

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Restart F32 WiFi on ThinkPad P72

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

After closing the lid on my P72 laptop last week and moving it to the
livig room, I could not resume F32 when I raised the lid. I had to hard
power cycle it, and after bootup I was unable to connect to my WiFi
router. The router is fine, and WiFi works fine in the dual-booted
Windows 10. But I can't figure out how to kick start my WiFi
connection. I have restarted the P72 multiple times, with no success.
The copper Ethernet connection works fine.

Any suggestions how to kickstart it? When I try ifup I get this:

# ifup ATTError: Connection activation failed: No suitable
device found for this connection (device lo not available because
device is strictly unmanaged).
--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2020-05-09 at 09:30 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> On 5/9/20 1:38 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> > > My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
> > > rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an
> > > nvme
> > > drive.
> > > 
> > > FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
> > > 
> > > BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the
> > > FC31
> > > drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with
> > > the
> > > other.  Sigh.
> > > 
> > > 1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?
> > > 
> > > 2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?
> > > 
> > > sean
> > 
> > I have Intel RST "fake RAID" on my Lenovo ThinkPad P72. As
> > delivered, 
> > Windows 10 Pro was installed on two 2TB NVMe SSDs in a RAID1
> > mirror 
> > configuration. While I could have also installed a standard
> > notebook 
> > SATA SSD, I postponed that idea (see below) and broke the RAID1
> > mirror 
> > instead. The BIOS Storage setting gave me two options: RST or AHCI.
> > The 
> > BIOS is wrong. It should say RST or NVMe. SATA or AHCI are not
> > options. 
> > And boy are the two raw NVMe drives F-A-S-T 
> > 
> > I went through all the hand wringing and fear of screwing up
> > something I 
> > didn't completely understand at the time. I backed up everything I
> > could 
> > think of from Windows 10, and a went to the trouble of getting a
> > Lenovo 
> > ThinkPad Windows restoration thumb drive.
> > 
> > Happily, once I broke the RAID1 mirror, I was able to boot to a
> > Fedora 
> > live ISO on a thumb drive. It could see both /dev/nvme0 and
> > /dev/nvme1 
> > SSDs. The #0 device still contained one half of the mirrored
> > Windows 10 
> > installation. fdisk shows the following detail:
> > 
> > # fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1
> > 
> > Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360
> > sectors
> > 
> > Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7
> > 
> > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> > 
> > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > Disklabel type: gpt
> > 
> > Disk identifier: 868B8A59-AF35-48EB-AD4F-0B2966DD92F5
> > 
> > 
> > Device  StartEndSectors  Size Type
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p1   2048 534527 532480  260M EFI System
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p2 534528 567295  32768   16M Microsoft
> > reserved
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p3 567296 3998748671 3998181376  1.9T Microsoft basic data
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p4 3998748672 40007966712048000 1000M Windows
> > recovery 
> > environment
> > 
> > 
> > This frees /dev/nvme1n1 for a normal installation from a live CD
> > image. 
> > It will set up GRUB2 for a Windows + Fedora dual boot. When
> > installed, 
> > your second NVMe drive should be partitioned something like this:
> > 
> > 
> > # fdisk -l /dev/nvme1n1
> > 
> > Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360
> > sectors
> > 
> > Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7
> > 
> > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
> > (logical/physical): 512 
> > bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > Disklabel type: gpt
> > 
> > Disk identifier: D02F3FF2-CE20-43A2-A2E2-92053E91D817
> > 
> > 
> > Device   StartEndSectors  Size Type
> > /dev/nvme1n1p12048 411647 409600  200M EFI System
> > /dev/nvme1n1p2  411648250879920971521G Linux filesystem
> > /dev/nvme1n1p3 2508800 4000796671 3998287872  1.9T Linux LVM
> > 
> > As I indicated above, I later installed a 4TB SATA internal drive
> > in an 
> > expansion space inside the P72. I had to buy a wiring adapter to
> > connect 
> > the SATA drive to the P72's internal chassis wiring. That wiring
> > doesn't 
> > come instsalled from the factory. I got the kit from EggHead.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> > Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> 
> Very interesting. Are you now able to boot into Windows on nvme0 from
> grub ?
> 
> sean


Of course. It's not my default, so when the GRUB2 menu appears I have
to arrow down to the 4th entry to boot into Windows.

What's really nice about this setup is that when default booted into
Fedora 32 I can mount the /dev/nvme0n1p3 Windows partition r/w.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL

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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
> rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an
> nvme 
> drive.
> 
> FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
> 
> BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the
> FC31 
> drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
> other.  Sigh.
> 
> 1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?
> 
> 2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?
> 
> sean

I have Intel RST "fake RAID" on my Lenovo ThinkPad P72. As delivered,
Windows 10 Pro was installed on two 2TB NVMe SSDs in a RAID1 mirror
configuration. While I could have also installed a standard notebook
SATA SSD, I postponed that idea (see below) and broke the RAID1 mirror
instead. The BIOS Storage setting gave me two options:  RST or AHCI.
The BIOS is wrong. It should say RST or NVMe. SATA or AHCI are not
options. And boy are the two raw NVMe drives F-A-S-T 

I went through all the hand wringing and fear of screwing up something
I didn't completely understand at the time. I backed up everything I
could think of from Windows 10, and a went to the trouble of getting a
Lenovo ThinkPad Windows restoration thumb drive.

Happily, once I broke the RAID1 mirror, I was able to boot to a Fedora
live ISO on a thumb drive. It could see both /dev/nvme0 and /dev/nvme1
SSDs. The #0 device still contained one half of the mirrored Windows 10
installation. fdisk shows the following detail:

# fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320
bytes, 4000797360 sectorsDisk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-
000L7  Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesI/O size (minimum/optimal):
512 bytes / 512 bytesDisklabel type: gptDisk identifier: 868B8A59-AF35-
48EB-AD4F-0B2966DD92F5
Device  StartEndSectors  Size
Type/dev/nvme0n1p1   2048 534527 532480  260M EFI
System/dev/nvme0n1p2 534528 567295  32768   16M Microsoft
reserved/dev/nvme0n1p3 567296 3998748671 3998181376  1.9T Microsoft
basic data/dev/nvme0n1p4 3998748672 40007966712048000 1000M Windows
recovery environment
This frees /dev/nvme1n1  for a normal installation from a live CD
image. It will set up GRUB2 for  a Windows + Fedora dual boot. When
installed, your second NVMe drive should be partitioned something like
this:
# fdisk -l /dev/nvme1n1Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320
bytes, 4000797360 sectorsDisk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-
000L7  Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesI/O size (minimum/optimal):
512 bytes / 512 bytesDisklabel type: gptDisk identifier: D02F3FF2-CE20-
43A2-A2E2-92053E91D817
Device   StartEndSectors  Size
Type/dev/nvme1n1p12048 411647 409600  200M EFI
System/dev/nvme1n1p2  411648250879920971521G Linux
filesystem
/dev/nvme1n1p3 2508800 4000796671 3998287872  1.9T Linux LVM



As I indicated above, I later installed a 4TB SATA internal drive in an
expansion space inside the P72. I had to buy a wiring adapter to
connect the SATA drive to the P72's internal chassis wiring. That
wiring doesn't come instsalled from the factory. I got the kit from
EggHead. 

Hope this helps.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Problems and errors upgrading F31 to F32 [Solved]

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 18:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-06 18:36, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 12:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 2020-05-06 12:04, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > > > Ed,
> > > > 
> > > > Running "dnf info " against each of the packages listed as
> > > > a
> > > > Problem returns either:
> > > > 
> > > > Repository   : @System
> > > > From repo: fedora
> > > > 
> > > > or
> > > > 
> > > > Repository   : @System
> > > > From repo: updates
> > > > 
> > > > My take is that they're genuine Fedora packages and not COPR.
> > > 
> > > How about "dnf info php-recode"?
> > 
> > Ed,
> > 
> > # dnf info php-recode
> > ...
> > Repository   : @System
> > From repo: updates
> > 
> 
> It would seem that Samuel is right yet again.  :-)
> 
> F32 is updated to php-7.4.5-1 and...
> 
> Tue Oct 01 2019 Remi Collet  - 7.4.0~RC3-1
> - update to 7.4.0RC3
> - bump API version to 20190902
> - drop wddx, recode and interbase extensions
> - add ffi extension
> - drop dependency on libargon2, use libsodium implementation
> - run test suite using 4 concurrent workers
> - cleanup unused conditional
> - add upstream patch to fix aarch64 build
> 
> So, best to add --allowerasing and note what gets removed.

Ed,

Bazinga! That's the solution. Thanks.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL 
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Re: Problems and errors upgrading F31 to F32

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 12:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-06 12:04, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > Ed,
> > 
> > Running "dnf info " against each of the packages listed as a
> > Problem returns either:
> > 
> > Repository   : @System
> > From repo: fedora
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > Repository   : @System
> > From repo: updates
> > 
> > My take is that they're genuine Fedora packages and not COPR.
> 
> How about "dnf info php-recode"?

Ed,
# dnf info php-recode...Repository   : @SystemFrom repo: updates
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Re: Problems and errors upgrading F31 to F32

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 09:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-06 09:44, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > I've upgraded from F29 > F30 and F30 > F31 without a hint of a
> > problem. Now I'm seeing a crapload of errors trying to upgrade F31
> > > F32:
> > 
> > # dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=32
> > Before you continue ensure that your system is fully upgraded by
> > running "dnf --refresh upgrade". Do you want to continue [y/N]: y
> > Adobe Systems
> > Incorporated   
> > 9.0
> > kB/s | 2.9 kB 00:00
> > Copr repo for ZFS-EL8 owned by
> > kni
> >8.3 kB/s | 3.3
> > kB 00:00
> > Copr repo for ZFS-EL8 owned by
> > kni
> > 70 kB/s |  51
> > kB 00:00
> > Fedora 32 openh264 (From Cisco) -
> > x86_64 
> > 477  B/s |
> > 543  B 00:01
> > Fedora Modular 32 -
> > x86_64 
> >15 kB/s
> > |  14 kB 00:00
> > Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 -
> > Updates
> >   14 kB/s |  11
> > kB 00:00
> > Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 -
> > Updates
> >   54 kB/s | 150
> > kB 00:02
> > Fedora 32 - x86_64 -
> > Updates
> >   15 kB/s |  13
> > kB 00:00
> > Fedora 32 - x86_64 -
> > Updates
> >  289 kB/s | 1.1
> > MB 00:03
> > Fedora 32 -
> > x86_64 
> >24
> > kB/s |  14 kB 00:00
> > google-
> > chrome 
> >
> > 3.8 kB/s | 1.3 kB 00:00
> > google-
> > chrome 
> >
> > 6.3 kB/s | 4.3 kB 00:00
> > RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Free -
> > Updates
> > 3.1 kB/s | 3.0
> > kB 00:00
> > RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 -
> > Free   
> >4.1 kB/s | 3.0
> > kB 00:00
> > RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Nonfree -
> > Updates
> >  3.6 kB/s | 2.9
> > kB 00:00
> > RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 -
> > Nonfree
> >3.7 kB/s | 3.3
> > kB 00:00
> > Modular dependency problems:
> >  Problem 1: conflicting requests
> >   - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module
> > gimp:2.10:3120191106095052:f636be4b-0.x86_64
> >  Problem 2: conflicting requests
> >   - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module
> > meson:latest:3120191009081836:dc56099c-0.x86_64
> >  Problem 3: conflicting requests
> >   - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module
> > ninja:latest:3120190304180949:f636be4b-0.x86_64
> 
> I believe those module errors get resolved later in the process.
> 
> These are more the issue...
> > Error: 
> >  Problem 1: package php-recode-7.3.17-1.fc31.x86_64 requires php-
> > common(x86-64) = 7.3.17-1.fc31, but none of the providers can be
> > installed
> >   - php-common-7.3.17-1.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a
> > distupgrade repository
> >   - problem with installed package php-recode-7.3.17-1.fc31.x86_6

Problems and errors upgrading F31 to F32

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

I've upgraded from F29 > F30 and F30 > F31 without a hint of a
problem.  Now I'm seeing a crapload of errors trying to upgrade F31 >
F32:
# dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=32Before you continue ensure
that your system is fully upgraded by running "dnf --refresh upgrade".
Do you want to continue [y/N]: yAdobe Systems
Incorporated   
9.0 kB/s | 2.9
kB 00:00Copr repo for ZFS-EL8 owned by
kni
   8.3 kB/s | 3.3
kB 00:00Copr repo for ZFS-EL8 owned by
kni
70 kB/s |  51
kB 00:00Fedora 32 openh264 (From Cisco) -
x86_64 
477  B/s |
543  B 00:01Fedora Modular 32 -
x86_64 
   15 kB/s |  14
kB 00:00Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 -
Updates
  14 kB/s |  11
kB 00:00Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 -
Updates
  54 kB/s | 150
kB 00:02Fedora 32 - x86_64 -
Updates
  15 kB/s |  13
kB 00:00Fedora 32 - x86_64 -
Updates
 289 kB/s | 1.1
MB 00:03Fedora 32 -
x86_64 
   24 kB/s
|  14 kB 00:00google-
chrome 
   3.8 kB/s
| 1.3 kB 00:00google-
chrome 
   6.3 kB/s
| 4.3 kB 00:00RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Free -
Updates
3.1 kB/s | 3.0 kB 00:00RPM
Fusion for Fedora 32 -
Free   
   4.1 kB/s | 3.0
kB 00:00RPM Fusion for Fedora 32 - Nonfree -
Updates
 3.6 kB/s | 2.9 kB 00:00RPM
Fusion for Fedora 32 -
Nonfree
   3.7 kB/s | 3.3
kB 00:00Modular dependency problems:
 Problem 1: conflicting requests  - nothing provides
module(platform:f31) needed by module
gimp:2.10:3120191106095052:f636be4b-0.x86_64 Problem 2: conflicting
requests  - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module
meson:latest:3120191009081836:dc56099c-0.x86_64 Problem 3: conflicting
requests  - nothing provides module(platform:f31) needed by module
ninja:latest:3120190304180949:f636be4b-0.x86_64Error:  Problem 1:
package php-recode-7.3.17-1.fc31.x86_64 requires php-common(x86-64) =
7.3.17-1.fc31, but none of the providers can be installed  - php-
common-7.3.17-1.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
repository  - problem with installed package php-recode-7.3.17-
1.fc31.x86_64 Problem 2: package python2-beautifulsoup4-4.9.0-
1.fc31.noarch requires python2-lxml, but none of the providers can be
installed  - python2-lxml-4.4.0-1.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a
distupgrade repository  - problem with installed package python2-
beautifulsoup4-4.9.0-1.fc31.noarch Problem 3: package python2-twisted-
19.2.1-6.fc31.x86_64 requires python2.7dist(automat) >= 0.3, but none
of the providers can be installed  - python2-Automat-0.7.0-
4.fc31.noarch does not belong to a distupgrade repository  - problem
with installed package python2-twisted-19.2.1-6.fc31.x86_64 Problem 4:
package system-config-bind-4.0.15-16.fc29.noarch requires gnome-
python2-canvas, but none of the providers can be installed  - gnome-
python2-canvas-2.28.1-30.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
repository  - problem with installed package system-config-bind-4.0.15-
16.fc29.noarch Problem 5: package system-config-httpd-5:1.5.5-
18.fc31.noarch requires gnome-python2-gnome, but none of the providers
can be installed  - gnome-python2-gnome-2.28.1-30.fc31.x86_64 does not
belong to a distupgrade repository  - problem with installed package
system-config-httpd-5:1.5.5-18.fc31.noa

Re: New Laptop - Fedora compatibility

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Mon, 2020-03-30 at 17:36 -0600, S.Bob wrote:
> Hi All;
> 
> 
> I just ordered a Lenovo Thinkpad P73 with the following specs;
> 
> Just curious if anyone sees any compatibility red flags that I
> missed:
> 
> 
> DIMM Memory 64GB(32+32) DDR4 2666 SoDIMM
> Display 17.3FHD IPS AG 300N
> Fingerprint Reader Fingerprint Reader
> Graphics Quadro P620 4G G5 128b
> HDD Config 2xSSD
> HDD Total Capacity 4TB
> Keyboard Backlit KB NP BK ENG
> Absolute BIOS Selection BIOS Absolute Enabled
> Processor Core i7-9750H 2.6G 6C MB
> Storage Selection 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe TLC OPAL
> Second Storage Selection 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe TLC OPAL
> Security Chip Setting Enabled Discrete TPM2.0
> System Expansion Slots Smart Card Reader
> Wireless LAN Intel AX200 2x2AX+BT vPro WW

I have a fully loaded P72, the immediate predecessor of your new baby.
I'm running both Windows 10 and F31, each on their own 2TB NVMe drive
in a dual-boot configuration. I don't care much for the keyboard, and I
can't disable the touchpad in F31. Otherwise it's a very serious horse
that runs everything I've thrown at it.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Mouse controls for Fedora [SOLVED]

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Mon, 2020-03-09 at 11:44 +0100, Bob Marcan wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 00:16:56 -0500
> "Robert G (Doc) Savage via users" 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > From what I've found so far, the pairing software is available only
> > for
> > Windows. Oh well. I do keep a Windows box that I use only for
> > TurboTax
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=logitech+linux+pair&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> I'm using solaar.
> 
> BR, B.Marčan

This works perfectly with F31. Thank you very much. My unused mouse &
keyboard box is suddenly organized and useful again.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Mouse controls for Fedora [SOLVED]

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Mon, 2020-03-09 at 01:02 +0100, sixpack13 wrote:
> On 08.03.20 19:41, Fred Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 01:16:13PM -0500, Robert G (Doc) Savage via
> > users wrote:
> ...
> 
> > Logitech mice have the reputation of doing that when the switch
> > underneath
> > the mouse button becomes worn. I doubt that it is possible to
> > squirt a
> > bit of contact cleaner into it, I suspect it's all sealed up.
> > 
> > In that case, the proper fix is probably a new mouse. Sorry!
> > 
> 
> maybe this could help:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Double+click+logitech
> 
> -- 
> sixpack13

Thank you sir. This must be the cause of my problem.

As it happens, I have another Logitech wireless mouse and when I
replace the M705 with an M510 everything works perfectly.

This resurrected an old question in my mind, and that's "Why doesn't
the Logitech USB receiver dongle for one mouse or keyboard+mouse
desktop set work with any other?"

As it turns out, there are two distinct generations of that dongle. The
first generation devices are pretty much locked to the mice or desktops
they came with. There are second generation devices that can be paired
with multiple mice and desktop sets:

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Unifying-Receiver-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B00LQ6TO0O

From what I've found so far, the pairing software is available only for
Windows. Oh well. I do keep a Windows box that I use only for TurboTax
and printing envelopes with Microsoft Word (LibreOffice Writer has
never quite mastered that little feat for me).

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Mouse controls for Fedora

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

I'm been using a Logitech M705 wireless mouse with my Fedora laptop for
a long time. Recently it seems to have developed an unwanted "double-
click" behavior when the left button is depressed. This is particularly
objectionable when I'm trying to select a single e-mail in Evolution,
or after selecting it, to delete it. If either action senses a double-
click, that e-mail will pop  up in its own window, or it and the next
message will be deleted.

Is this something that I can tune out with Preferences > Hardware >
Mouse in the MATE desktop? Or is there some other control?

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: NetworkManager and PEERDNS=no

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 19:22 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/16/2020 06:55 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > U-verse does not allow the user to change the Primary DNS address
> > on the 
> > residential gateway's DHCP configuration page. It is hard-coded to 
> > 192.168.1.254, which is the gateway itself. I want to change that
> > to 
> > 192.168.1.1 which is the static IP address for my Pi-Hole
> > appliance. If 
> > I could, the Pi-Hole would become a stealthy and very effective 
> > whole-home ad blocker.
> 
> NetworkManager allows you to set it to get your IP address by DHCP,
> but 
> set your DNS manually.  Have you tried that?

Joe,

That works fine for a single machine. What I'm trying to alter is the
whole home DHCP configuration's Primary DNS address so that all clients
point to the Pi-Hole. If I can resolve the WiFi conflict, that's simple
to do in the EdgeX router's DHCP service configuration. Unfortunately
I'm not there yet.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights,  IL
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Re: NetworkManager and PEERDNS=no

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 14:43 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/16/2020 02:39 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > AT&T U-verse customers are forced to use the DNS service in their 
> > residential gateway, which would be fine for IPTV and VOIP
> > sessions.
> 
> How?  Does the router block outgoing DNS requests?

U-verse does not allow the user to change the Primary DNS address on
the residential gateway's DHCP configuration page. It is hard-coded to
192.168.1.254, which is the gateway itself. I want to change that to
192.168.1.1 which is the static IP address for my Pi-Hole appliance. If
I could, the Pi-Hole would become a stealthy and very effective whole-
home ad blocker.

There is no technical reason for AT&T to lock this down. I might
understand this for the VOIP and IPTV segments of the gateway. Those
probably have very complex and proprietary DHCP configurations. But for
the Internet data segment, not allowing the user to redirect the
Primary DNS spec is not justifiable.  I may be able to use a Ubiquity
EdgeX router to set up a user space downstream from the residential
gateway using a totally different address space from the default
192,168.1.0/24, but I'm running into a WiFi conflict between the
gateway and the EdgeX router I haven't yet been able to resolve.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: NetworkManager and PEERDNS=no

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

I would like to know the answer to this also, but probably for a
different reason.

AT&T U-verse customers are forced to use the DNS service in their
residential gateway, which would be fine for IPTV and VOIP sessions.
However, if I want to install a Raspberry Pi device running Pi-Hole as
my primary DNS service, I need to know how to sidestep the U-verse
DHCP's primary DNS designation.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL

On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 14:36 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I keep seeing signs that "network" will someday disappear
> entirely and I'll be forced to use NetworkManager, so the
> first question I haven't been able to find an answer
> for:
> 
> What is the "proper" way to setup a network connection
> using nmcli which will get an IP via DHCP, but will ignore
> the DHCP provided DNS and use a different DNS server specified
> manually? (I can do it using techniques like chattr +i on
> /etc/resolv.conf, but that isn't exactly "proper" :-).
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OT: Whatever happened to pricewatch.com

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

Apologize in advance for this non-Fedora post. Not even Google seems to
know the answer.

For years pricewatch.com has been my preferred comparison shopping web
site for all softs of IT harware. Then some time in December 2019 it
seems to have gone off the air.

   # nslookup pricewatch.com
   Server:  192.168.1.254
   Address: 192.168.1.254#53

   Non-authoritative answer:
   Name:pricewatch.com
   Address: 54.81.122.187

I can no longer traceroute to this IP address, and Firefox times out.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL
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