Re: Debian vs Fedora

[luca paganotti]

Hi,
that's what I did, I tried centos, but more: during a consultancy
assignment I got few years ago I had to work with an IT service provider
that supported (and supports nowadays) only centos and opensuse within its
cloud and virtualization services.
I must say that I had no problem at all when the change was in the minor
distribution version number (i.e. from 6.3 to 6.4) but encountered great
issues when we wanted to update to different major version number (i.e. 6.x
to 7.y) even if I followed exactly all the instructions I found online on
centos web site, the outcome was the same, I had to build the new machine
from scratch.

My personal opinion is that if your choice is to have and implement a
time-based release plan, the updating process should work out of the box in
the great majority of circumstances, my personal use case is to have boxes
that *must* have installed a lot of specific software packages tailored to
meteorological forecasts and analisys, rebuild a box from scratch is a very
time consuming process (just for me, maybe others do not have such issues
...) so, at least for my personal usage and development tasks I switched to
debian, again it's not an absolute "value judgement" it's only a personal
opinion, expediency based ...



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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM wwp  wrote:

> Hello luca,
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:43:35 +0100 luca paganotti 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I switched from fedora to debian few years ago after about ten years
> of
> > fedora distros usage and now happy with my linux boxes. The main reason
> was
> > the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade process to new
> > versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended machine(s).
> This
> > is not acceptable (at least for me), no such pains with debian even if
> I'm
> > not on the bleeding edge I have now a stable environment. I don't know if
> > things are getting better with the last fedora releases, it will be nice
> to
> > know. Fedora has been my favourite distro for at least a decade, I grow
> up
> > my linux skills with it, but I had to leave it. Anyway I think that is up
> > to you, it's your choice, take your time to explore other distros and
> think
> > well of what you search in a linux distro, what your use cases will be,
> > what you want to do with it. Have an open mind on making your choice :-)
>
> Why didn't you switch to CentOS instead of to Debian? With CentOS you
> would have kept that Fedora taste but with less updates and no upgrade
> issue (I think that the CentOS stability an update policy is more or
> less equivalent to Debian's one).
>
>
> Regards,
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[luca paganotti]

Dear Dario,
happy to know you hadn't any problem, unfortunately that was not my case
and often for this reason: even if I was keeping only the two last kernel
versions, my boot partition always suffered, in case of updating the whole
system, of disk space lacking for the new release. I've tried to double the
recommended boot partition dimensions but without luck. Also I didn't stuck
to the fedora only repositories and installed some packages from others,
often this caused dependencies problems, but this is a minor issue, most of
the times I had to (re)install the system from scratch. Maybe I'm not so
skilled, maybe I do not spend the right amount of time on that issue, may
be I had messy things on my boxes (but I'm quite polite in my setup and
rarely do messy things). These things happened on more than one fedora box
and that made me switch to debian. I'm not judging anyone or saying that a
distro is better than another, I'm not opened to a "religion war" and I
thank all the fedora guys too, I've learned so much using fedora, but 'now'
debian is working better for me and that's all. I stopped using fedora from
f18 as some software I was working on at that time stopped from being
compiled correctly (eyedb).

Have a good day and happy fedoraing :-)



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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:55 AM Dario Lesca  wrote:

> Il giorno mar, 06/11/2018 alle 08.43 +0100, luca paganotti ha scritto:
>
> he main reason was the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade
> process to new versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended
> machine(s).
>
>
> I use fedora from FC1, reinstalled on my old notebook from RedHat 9.
>
> When I changed my notebook to current notebook (DELL Latitude i7/8Gb), I
> installed what at that time was the last version of Fedora: Fedora 18
> (Spherical Cow).
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ sudo ls -l /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> -rw---. 1 root root 1005 18 gen  2013 /root/anaconda-ks.cfg
>
> [lesca@dodo ~]$ date
>
> mar  6 nov 2018, 10.48.56, CET
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_version_history#Fedora_18
>
> (Fedora 18, codenamed "Spherical Cow", was released on January 15, 2013.)
>
>
> Since that time I have always updated my notebook without ever reinstall
> it:
>
> f18->f19->f20->f21->f22->f23->f24->f25->f26->f27->f28 and now f29
>
> *I've never had any problems.*
> Many thanks to all Fedora Project Guys.
>
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> (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 28 Workstation)
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[luca paganotti]

Hi, I switched from fedora to debian few years ago after about ten years of
fedora distros usage and now happy with my linux boxes. The main reason was
the pain I had at each new fedora release, the upgrade process to new
versions often failed and I had to "rebuild" the offended machine(s). This
is not acceptable (at least for me), no such pains with debian even if I'm
not on the bleeding edge I have now a stable environment. I don't know if
things are getting better with the last fedora releases, it will be nice to
know. Fedora has been my favourite distro for at least a decade, I grow up
my linux skills with it, but I had to leave it. Anyway I think that is up
to you, it's your choice, take your time to explore other distros and think
well of what you search in a linux distro, what your use cases will be,
what you want to do with it. Have an open mind on making your choice :-)


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On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:09 PM vipul kumar via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm a Debian user(from almost 3 years). And I've question Why should I
> choose Fedora over Debian as a my operating system?
>
> Cheers,
> finn
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

[luca paganotti]

Sure, fedup doesn't edit my scripts, but should update my system ...






On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 11:07 +, luca.pagano...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If I have to make my machine from scratch, I'm thinking to switch to
> debian after twenty years of fedora usage ...
>
> Your choice of course. Using Fedora means being prepared to upgrade
> your system at least every year. If you aren't prepared to do that,
> then you are probably better using a system with greater long term
> stability. A good choice might be CentOS as it's quite similar to
> Fedora.
>
> However no-one is saying you have to "make your machine from scratch".
> If you are taking regular backups you are already prepared for the
> possibility of losing a disk or upgrading to a new machine.
> Reinstalling the system is generally easier than either of those
> scenarios. If some home-grown scripts have to change, they would still
> have to change going the upgrade path because Fedup (or dnf) is not
> going to edit them for you.
>
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

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If I have to make my machine from scratch, I'm thinking to switch to debian 
after twenty years of fedora usage ...
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

[luca paganotti]

Hi Patrick, thank you for your answer.
I've tons of script an personal data and programs, isn't there a way to
gradually upgrate to the latest release? I do not want to loos e any of my
personal data and configurations, is it enough to backup my home folder?
I've databasese and so on ... I should to remake my machine from scratch?






On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 10:07 +, luca.pagano...@gmail.com wrote:
> > fedup upgrade stuck at "Welcome to fedup-dracut-0.9.0!"
> >
> > after moving mounts into /system-upgrade-root
> > /boot/efi
> > /boot
> > and /home
> > upgrade prep complete, switching to root ...
> >
> > Welcome to fedup-dracut-0.9.0!
> >
> > no other life signal ...
> >
> > what to do?
>
> The current release of Fedora is 24, and will be 25 in the next few
> days (maybe even today). 20 and 21 stopped receiving any support a long
> time ago. Fedup is no longer even used as the upgrade method. In your
> situation you are almost certainly better just doing a fresh install of
> the latest Fedora, after backing up your data of course.
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

[luca . paganotti]

fedup upgrade stuck at "Welcome to fedup-dracut-0.9.0!"

after moving mounts into /system-upgrade-root
/boot/efi
/boot
and /home
upgrade prep complete, switching to root ...

Welcome to fedup-dracut-0.9.0!

no other life signal ...

what to do?
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

[luca . paganotti]

I've found two folders /var/lib/system-upgrade containing a .conf file and 
/var/cache/system/upgrade containing the new packages. Can I symlink these two 
folders?
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Re: fedup from 20 to 21

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The command I issue is sudo fedup --network 21 --product=workstation
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fedup from 20 to 21

[luca . paganotti]

Hi, upgrading from fedora 20 to fedora 21 using fedup I encounter an error. 
I issue the following command and after downloading all the rpm files there is 
an upgrade test that fails in this way

Upgrade test failed with the following problems:
insufficient disk space:
  / needs 3.2G more free space
fedup ERROR: Upgrade test failed.

I don't know how to manage this problems, googling tells me to find two folders 
/var/tmp/fedora-release and /var/lib/fedora-release, to copy them in the home 
directory where I have enough space and make symbolic liks to these two 
folders. The problem are that I'm not able to find /var/tmp/fedora-release and 
/var/lib/fedora-release, I'm not able to locate where fedup has store the new 
F21 rpm files, and then I don't know how to free the fedup needed space 3.2 Gb.

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Re: How do you store a Live Feed from a guitar

[luca paganotti]

Hi, if allowed, I suggest you to take a look at karma. You will find all
that's needed to begin here: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

Hope this helps!


On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1 July 2015 at 10:11, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
 bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:
 
 
  On 01/07/15 00:08, Doug wrote:
 
  Any suggestions
 
  Greg Ennis
 
  I have seen ads for a setup that will record vinyl records from a
  turntable
  onto a PC thru a gizmo plugged into the USB port. If you were to find
 any
  of the software that works with this, it may work with your guitar also.
  You might need some sort of preamp between the guitar and the usb
 device,
  but if it wants to work, you should hear _something_.
 
  --doug
 
 
 
  How about Audacity? I've used it to record voice announcements. It may
 look
  like overkill at first but you can do a lot with it, it's an audio
 editor.
 

 Yes, audacity should work for basic recording (assuming that when Greg
 says but was not able to get any software that that was on my F22
 machine to recognize the the live feed he just means he couldn't find
 software to do it, not that the USB capture device isn't working).

 For more complicated work a DAW like Ardour (available in the repos)
 will let you record different layers and samples, but you'll have to
 use Jack. That will also let you do things like add effects and other
 stuff like drum machines (e.g. Hydrogen). You may want to check out
 these which I wrote a while back:
 Jacking in section of
 http://epenguin.imalone.co.uk/2012/04/breaking-in-fender-mustang.html

 http://epenguin.imalone.co.uk/2011/10/jack-for-audio-passthrough-on-fedora-15.html

 http://epenguin.imalone.co.uk/2011/12/re-amping-with-guitarix-and-ardour.html

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Re: The last eclipse-cdt update has broken my c++ perspective

[luca paganotti]

Hi Michael, thank you for your prompt answer. I was not even able to
downgrade as my yum rollback command transaction-id failed. I'm in the
need to use eclipse, so I uninstalled all fedora eclipse packages and
download  an Eclipse IDE for c/c++ developers from the eclipse website, now
I have in a temporary folder a running instance of Eclipse Mars that I used
to open a little test project and it's building fine.
I've also installed bodhi-client searched on the bodhi website and found
the contents of your next email. I checked my yum repos' setup. I've a
bunch of repos, from planetccrma to jenkins, rpmfusion etc ... but no
testing or debug repos enabled.

I've created a new test user.
Issued yum install eclipse as root
Issued yum install eclipse-cdt as root

logout from my own user and then login as the new created user.
Issued eclipse  and with this new user I've the C perspective back again

Logout the new user and then login with my own.
eclipse  -- no C perspective, not possible to create new projects

I then completely removed my workspace metadata and my user eclipse setup
in .eclipse in my home folder.

Now I have the C perspective back again
I think that in some way my own setup has been compromised, but I'm not
able to say when or to tell the cause.

I think it's not worth to file a bug as the problem was with my own setup
of eclipse.

Thank you very much for your support.

Have a nice day



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 On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:38:59 +0100, luca paganotti wrote:

  Hi all, I'm searching help about the last eclipse-cdt update carried out
 on
  my fedora 20 box.
  It seems I'm not able anymore to load my existing c++ projects, nor
 create
  new ones. I've tried to uninstall and then reinstall all my eclipse
  environment few times. I've also tried to rollback to the previous yum
  transaction. The c perspective is absent. I've tried also to issue
 eclipse
  with the -clean switch. But no hope for the time being. The last cdt
 update
  is about eclipse-cdt 8.3.0-2 x86_64 and was performed on 2015-03-22.
 
  Is there someone kind to help or drive me to the right source of info?
 
  Thank you for any answer and forgive my italianish ...

 Downgrading is a good idea and may help during trouble-shooting.

 Create a fresh user account and try to reproduce the problem there.

 Become familiar with the Fedora Updates System website
 running an app called bodhi:

   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/

 Locate the update tickets that may be the culprit. In one ticket there
 can be multiple packages. Perhaps you've not downgraded all related
 packages. Also watch out for new test-updates that may already fix
 the problem.

 Finally, the links of the form

   http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/SOURCE-RPM-PACKAGE-NAME

 e.g. http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/eclipse-cdt

 are a very convenient to Fedora bugzilla and other infrastructure
 places, such as a list of currently open problem reports. It may be
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Re: The last eclipse-cdt update has broken my c++ perspective

[luca paganotti]

Hi Kevin, thank you for your help.

I uninstalled all eclipse packages and then install them again as to have
c++ support issuing yum install eclipse eclipse-cdt as root

I had to completely remove my eclipse metadata from .eclipse in my home
folder, for some reasons, unknown to me, they were non in sync anymore or
they got broken.

After that I got the c perspective back again.

Thank you and have a nice week!

Luca






On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Kevin Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net
wrote:

 On 03/24/2015 04:38 AM, luca paganotti wrote:
  Hi all, I'm searching help about the last eclipse-cdt update carried out
  on my fedora 20 box.
  It seems I'm not able anymore to load my existing c++ projects, nor
  create new ones. I've tried to uninstall and then reinstall all my
  eclipse environment few times. I've also tried to rollback to the
  previous yum transaction. The c perspective is absent. I've tried also
  to issue eclipse with the -clean switch. But no hope for the time being.
  The last cdt update is about eclipse-cdt 8.3.0-2 x86_64 and was
  performed on 2015-03-22.

 I also have the updated to the new eclipse-cdt, but I am *not* seeing
 what you are.  My old projects are available to me, and I can edit
 sources files in my old projects.  My eclipse files are:

  eclipse-swt-4.3.2-3.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-gef-3.9.1-0.2.gitb9f2e9.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-cdt-8.3.0-2.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-egit-3.3.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-emf-2.9.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-rse-3.5-3.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-rpm-editor-2.2.1-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-mylyn-context-cdt-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-subclipse-1.10.5-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-jdt-4.3.2-3.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-mpc-1.2.1-0.1.git519e70b.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-mylyn-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-collabnet-merge-4.0.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-mylyn-tasks-web-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-ptp-rdt-xlc-7.0.4-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-oprofile-2.2.1-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-p2-discovery-4.3.1-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-emf-core-2.9.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-equinox-osgi-4.3.2-3.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-platform-4.3.2-3.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-changelog-2.8.3-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-dtp-1.11.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-linuxtools-2.2.1-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-rpmstubby-2.2.1-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-ecf-core-3.8.0-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-fedorapackager-0.4.1-8.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-mylyn-context-java-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-ptp-7.0.4-1.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-valgrind-2.2.1-1.fc20.1.noarch
  eclipse-pde-4.3.2-3.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-mylyn-tasks-bugzilla-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-pydev-3.5.0-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-ptp-rdt-7.0.4-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-mylyn-tasks-trac-3.10.0-2.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-jgit-3.3.2-1.fc20.noarch
  eclipse-cdt-parsers-8.3.0-2.fc20.x86_64
  eclipse-packagekit-0.1.0-6.fc20.noarch


  Is there someone kind to help or drive me to the right source of info?

 I don't know if this is of any help, but it is another data point to
 consider.

  Thank you for any answer and forgive my italianish ...

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The last eclipse-cdt update has broken my c++ perspective

[luca paganotti]

Hi all, I'm searching help about the last eclipse-cdt update carried out on
my fedora 20 box.
It seems I'm not able anymore to load my existing c++ projects, nor create
new ones. I've tried to uninstall and then reinstall all my eclipse
environment few times. I've also tried to rollback to the previous yum
transaction. The c perspective is absent. I've tried also to issue eclipse
with the -clean switch. But no hope for the time being. The last cdt update
is about eclipse-cdt 8.3.0-2 x86_64 and was performed on 2015-03-22.

Is there someone kind to help or drive me to the right source of info?

Thank you for any answer and forgive my italianish ...
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