Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Cher Stan,


J'ai une panne matériel sur le nouveau matériel,

Ce week-end je teste au moyen d'un bipper si je le retrouve ou fais chaque test 
manuellement,

Merci d'avance de comprendre que ça va durer plus longtemps que prévu le retour 
du système,

Je garde ce fil de discussion dans mon dossier important et reviendra quand il 
y aura du nouveau,

Bonne semaine,

Cordialement.


Dorian Rosse.

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Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:26:48 +
Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Non!

Courez
uname -r
et
cat /etc/fedora-release
et
envoyez le result ici, s'il vous plaît.

Merçi.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Cher Stan,


Pour le moment le système est cassé j'ai reconstruis le matériel je vois avec 
mon école demain pour monter les partitions sur le nouveau matériel,

Bonne journée,

Cordialement.


Dorian Rosse.

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Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:26:48 +
Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Non!

Courez
uname -r
et
cat /etc/fedora-release
et
envoyez le result ici, s'il vous plaît.

Merçi.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[stan via users]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:26:48 +
Dorian ROSSE  wrote:
 
> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Non!

Courez 
uname -r
et
cat /etc/fedora-release
et
envoyez le result ici, s'il vous plaît.

Merçi.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-11-01 at 14:15 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> 2021-11-01 12:57 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan
> :
> > On Mon, 2021-11-01 at 10:25 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> > > 2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
> > > > On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish,
> > > > > and
> > > > > in my
> > > > > experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more
> > > > > than
> > > > > one
> > > > > or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much
> > > > > more
> > > > > reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases,
> > > > > without
> > > > > going
> > > > > to more professional translation software. It also has a
> > > > > handy
> > > > > browser
> > > > > extension.
> > > > 
> > > > I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times
> > > > and
> > > > it's
> > > > pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite
> > > > comprehensible.
> > > 
> > > I agree. But deepl.com is even better.
> > 
> > However they only appear to have apps for Windows and IOS.
> 
> That's possible, but I don't see how that is relevant in this
> discussion. It works well in a browser.

It's not relevant to this discussion. Just a tangential remark as we
find ourselves comparing various translation services.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Andras Simon]

2021-11-01 12:57 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Mon, 2021-11-01 at 10:25 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
>> > On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> [...]
>> > > I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and
>> > > in my
>> > > experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than
>> > > one
>> > > or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
>> > > reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without
>> > > going
>> > > to more professional translation software. It also has a handy
>> > > browser
>> > > extension.
>> >
>> > I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and
>> > it's
>> > pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.
>>
>> I agree. But deepl.com is even better.
>
> However they only appear to have apps for Windows and IOS.

That's possible, but I don't see how that is relevant in this
discussion. It works well in a browser.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 08:10, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> For translate one word missing i advice " word reference"
>

http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/  est utile pour la terminologie technique ( is
useful for technical terminology)


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-11-01 at 10:25 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> 2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
> > On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> [...]
> > > I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and
> > > in my
> > > experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than
> > > one
> > > or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
> > > reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without
> > > going
> > > to more professional translation software. It also has a handy
> > > browser
> > > extension.
> > 
> > I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and
> > it's
> > pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.
> 
> I agree. But deepl.com is even better.

However they only appear to have apps for Windows and IOS.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

For translate one word missing i advice " word reference"

Dorian Rosse.

From: Dorian ROSSE 
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:44:50 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

Samuel my mistake was begin it is better to put become

Dorian Rosse.

From: Samuel Sieb 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:40:58 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/31/21 10:43, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor with
> the new system bought

I'm sorry, but your emails are really not making sense.  I suggest
finding a support group in your native language, which appears to be
French.  I believe someone already suggested one.  Otherwise, maybe try
directly using Google Translate.  I appreciate your attempt to write in
English, but I'm pretty sure at this point, Google Translate would
produce a more understandable result.  Maybe even write your question in
French with the translated result as well.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Andras Simon]

2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
> On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
[...]
>> I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and in my
>> experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than one
>> or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
>> reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without going
>> to more professional translation software. It also has a handy browser
>> extension.
>
> I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and it's
> pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.

I agree. But deepl.com is even better.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Samuel my mistake was begin it is better to put become

Dorian Rosse.

From: Samuel Sieb 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:40:58 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/31/21 10:43, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor with
> the new system bought

I'm sorry, but your emails are really not making sense.  I suggest
finding a support group in your native language, which appears to be
French.  I believe someone already suggested one.  Otherwise, maybe try
directly using Google Translate.  I appreciate your attempt to write in
English, but I'm pretty sure at this point, Google Translate would
produce a more understandable result.  Maybe even write your question in
French with the translated result as well.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/31/21 10:43, Dorian ROSSE wrote:

Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor
with
the new system bought


I'm sorry, but your emails are really not making sense.  I suggest
finding a support group in your native language, which appears to be
French.  I believe someone already suggested one.  Otherwise, maybe try
directly using Google Translate.  I appreciate your attempt to write in
English, but I'm pretty sure at this point, Google Translate would
produce a more understandable result.  Maybe even write your question
in
French with the translated result as well.


I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and in my
experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than one
or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without going
to more professional translation software. It also has a handy browser
extension.


I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and it's 
pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 10/31/21 10:43, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> > Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor
> > with 
> > the new system bought
> 
> I'm sorry, but your emails are really not making sense.  I suggest 
> finding a support group in your native language, which appears to be 
> French.  I believe someone already suggested one.  Otherwise, maybe try
> directly using Google Translate.  I appreciate your attempt to write in
> English, but I'm pretty sure at this point, Google Translate would 
> produce a more understandable result.  Maybe even write your question
> in 
> French with the translated result as well.

I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and in my
experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than one
or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without going
to more professional translation software. It also has a handy browser
extension.

https://www.reverso.net/text-translation

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 17:01 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> 
> 
> Dorian Rosse.
> 
> 
> De : Patrick O'Callaghan 
> Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 17:51
> À : users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some
> of it ?
> 
> On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:36 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> > I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,
> > 
> > It haven't troll with this,
> 
> You cannot *encrypt* mail to the list (assuming you want people on
> the
> list to read it). That would mean everyone on the list having access
> to
> the decryption key, which is completely impractical. It would alsp
> make
> no sense, since all the list traffic is archived on a publicly-
> readable
> web site.
> 
> You have the thrue Patrick i went to repeat from my laptop then on my
> phone i see the key but i can't read the e-mail
> 
> You can *sign* messages to the list, if you like (some people do
> that).
> That's not the same thing. I think you need to understand the
> difference.

Your comment (above) is inserted into the middle of my reply with
nothing to indicate who wrote what. Please check the "quoting" settings
in your email program.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/31/21 10:43, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor with 
the new system bought


I'm sorry, but your emails are really not making sense.  I suggest 
finding a support group in your native language, which appears to be 
French.  I believe someone already suggested one.  Otherwise, maybe try 
directly using Google Translate.  I appreciate your attempt to write in 
English, but I'm pretty sure at this point, Google Translate would 
produce a more understandable result.  Maybe even write your question in 
French with the translated result as well.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/31/21 11:43 AM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor with 
the new system bought


Stop sending replies to both me and the list.  That just means I get 
them twice.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Because i am sad about my system broken finaly it begin myself poor with the 
new system bought


Dorian Rosse.


De : Joe Zeff 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 18:39
À : Dorian ROSSE
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/31/21 11:32 AM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
>
> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?
>
> Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Just to be nice, although Ghod knows you don't deserve it, I'm asking
this off list: why do you keep sending the same question over and over?
  And for that matter, why do you think that removing one application
will break your entire system?

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Because i am sad about my system broken and begin poor with the new setup bought

Dorian Rosse.

From: Joe Zeff 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:39:31 PM
To: Dorian ROSSE 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/31/21 11:32 AM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
>
> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?
>
> Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Just to be nice, although Ghod knows you don't deserve it, I'm asking
this off list: why do you keep sending the same question over and over?
  And for that matter, why do you think that removing one application
will break your entire system?
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello everybody


Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Dorian ROSSE 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:04:04 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

Hello everybody


Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.


De : Dorian ROSSE 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 18:02
À : Community support for Fedora users
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

I was answer Patrick but none arrow added to thoses lines of discussing

Dorian Rosse.


De : Patrick O'Callaghan 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 17:51
À : users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:36 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,
>
> It haven't troll with this,

You cannot *encrypt* mail to the list (assuming you want people on the
list to read it). That would mean everyone on the list having access to
the decryption key, which is completely impractical. It would alsp make
no sense, since all the list traffic is archived on a publicly-readable
web site.

You have the thrue Patrick i went to repeat from my laptop then on my phone i 
see the key but i can't read the e-mail

You can *sign* messages to the list, if you like (some people do that).
That's not the same thing. I think you need to understand the
difference.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/31/21 5:59 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Why are you sending encrypted messages to the list? This makes no
sense.


Do what I do and delete them.  Even if I wanted to waste time reading 
them I don't have his keys, nor want them.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello everybody


Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.


De : Dorian ROSSE 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 18:02
À : Community support for Fedora users
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

I was answer Patrick but none arrow added to thoses lines of discussing

Dorian Rosse.


De : Patrick O'Callaghan 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 17:51
À : users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:36 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,
>
> It haven't troll with this,

You cannot *encrypt* mail to the list (assuming you want people on the
list to read it). That would mean everyone on the list having access to
the decryption key, which is completely impractical. It would alsp make
no sense, since all the list traffic is archived on a publicly-readable
web site.

You have the thrue Patrick i went to repeat from my laptop then on my phone i 
see the key but i can't read the e-mail

You can *sign* messages to the list, if you like (some people do that).
That's not the same thing. I think you need to understand the
difference.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Dorian Rosse.


De : Patrick O'Callaghan 
Envoyé : dimanche 31 octobre 2021 à 17:51
À : users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Objet : Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:36 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,
>
> It haven't troll with this,

You cannot *encrypt* mail to the list (assuming you want people on the
list to read it). That would mean everyone on the list having access to
the decryption key, which is completely impractical. It would alsp make
no sense, since all the list traffic is archived on a publicly-readable
web site.

You have the thrue Patrick i went to repeat from my laptop then on my phone i 
see the key but i can't read the e-mail

You can *sign* messages to the list, if you like (some people do that).
That's not the same thing. I think you need to understand the
difference.

poc
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RE: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 14:36 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,
> 
> It haven't troll with this,

You cannot *encrypt* mail to the list (assuming you want people on the
list to read it). That would mean everyone on the list having access to
the decryption key, which is completely impractical. It would alsp make
no sense, since all the list traffic is archived on a publicly-readable
web site.

You can *sign* messages to the list, if you like (some people do that).
That's not the same thing. I think you need to understand the
difference.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

I try just to crypt my e-mail for the group,

It haven't troll with this,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Jonathan Billings 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 3:22:48 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 12:03:30AM +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 11:59 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Why are you sending encrypted messages to the list? This makes no
> > sense.
>
> I've been wondering if we're being trolled.  There's been plenty of
> bizarre random responses to things.
>

I suspect this is just ignorance (see Hanlon's Razor[1]).  There's
certainly a language barrier.  I think we should take the OP's post in
good faith.


1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor



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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 12:03:30AM +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 11:59 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Why are you sending encrypted messages to the list? This makes no
> > sense.
> 
> I've been wondering if we're being trolled.  There's been plenty of
> bizarre random responses to things.
>  

I suspect this is just ignorance (see Hanlon's Razor[1]).  There's
certainly a language barrier.  I think we should take the OP's post in
good faith.


1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor



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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 11:59 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Why are you sending encrypted messages to the list? This makes no
> sense.

I've been wondering if we're being trolled.  There's been plenty of
bizarre random responses to things.
 
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 11:26:48AM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

No.  In fact, I don't believe that 'zoo' is a program that is part of
Fedora in the first place.  There's an 'unzoo' though.

Remember last time you asked this question, and we said,

"You need to give us more details!"

well...

You need to give us more details!

(Repetition helps people learn.)

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 11:32:01AM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
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Please stop.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-10-31 at 11:32 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
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Why are you sending encrypted messages to the list? This makes no
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RE: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello everybody


Does my system was broken because i have removed the program zoo ?

Thank you in advance for yours answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Dorian ROSSE 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 2:53:58 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

I have success to report the two broken,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and 
> toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with 
> traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is 
> the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).


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RE: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

I have success to report the two broken,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and 
> toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with 
> traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is 
> the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).


--
Matthew Miller

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Matthew after update my password i can't log in for publish the problem i fall 
on error 501 unauthorized !

I will try again next weekend,

Have a nice end of weekend from the France the weather is Sunny and it is 
seventeen to twenty here,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and 
> toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with 
> traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is 
> the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).


--
Matthew Miller

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 13:02 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 10/22/21 09:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Problem Report.
> 
> 
> PR stands for "pull request", which is terminology that comes from
> the 
> use of git.  When someone suggests that you send a PR, they're 
> suggesting that you check out the git repo, make the changes you
> think 
> are appropriate, commit them, and ask the owner to accept your
> changes.  
> that you can push your own changes to a place where they're
> accessible 
> to the owner.

Well there you go. Not Problem Report at all. Perhaps some acronyms
are, dare I say it, not universally known?

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Gordon Messmer]

On 10/22/21 09:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Problem Report.



PR stands for "pull request", which is terminology that comes from the 
use of git.  When someone suggests that you send a PR, they're 
suggesting that you check out the git repo, make the changes you think 
are appropriate, commit them, and ask the owner to accept your changes.  
In the case of GitHub or Pagure, you'll fork the repository first, so 
that you can push your own changes to a place where they're accessible 
to the owner.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Thank you,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 6:40:22 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 06:53 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Matthew : what is a PR please ?
>

Problem Report.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 06:53 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Matthew : what is a PR please ?
> 

Problem Report.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Matthew : what is a PR please ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and 
> toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with 
> traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is 
> the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).


--
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and 
> toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with 
> traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is 
> the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Thank you,

The page web can't have it own password and i can't publish on any forum but i 
have pass to publish,

Have a nice afternoon from France,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Andy Paterson via users 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:33:15 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Cc: Andy Paterson 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

Hi Dorian,
You should send to

http://www.fedora-fr.org/

Where you will get more French
Help

On 19 Oct 2021, at 19:20, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:


Patrick : Roger has the good answer i think

Have a nice evening from the France it is twenty past twenty here,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:48:13 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 16:24 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> " Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's
> important "
>
> Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server
> ?

To repeat what several people have already said: *I have absolutely no
idea what you are talking about*. Your question is badly phrased and
gives very little information on which to base an answer.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Andy Paterson via users]

Hi Dorian,
You should send to

http://www.fedora-fr.org/

Where you will get more French
Help

> On 19 Oct 2021, at 19:20, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:
> 
> 
> Patrick : Roger has the good answer i think
> 
> Have a nice evening from the France it is twenty past twenty here,
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> Dorian Rosse.
> From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:48:13 PM
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
> Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?
>  
> On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 16:24 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> > " Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's
> > important "
> > 
> > Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server
> > ?
> 
> To repeat what several people have already said: *I have absolutely no
> idea what you are talking about*. Your question is badly phrased and
> gives very little information on which to base an answer.
> 
> poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Patrick : Roger has the good answer i think

Have a nice evening from the France it is twenty past twenty here,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:48:13 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 16:24 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> " Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's
> important "
>
> Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server
> ?

To repeat what several people have already said: *I have absolutely no
idea what you are talking about*. Your question is badly phrased and
gives very little information on which to base an answer.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 16:24 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> " Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's
> important "
> 
> Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server
> ?

To repeat what several people have already said: *I have absolutely no
idea what you are talking about*. Your question is badly phrased and
gives very little information on which to base an answer.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Roger Heflin]

You made a bad conclusion (LLVM broke it), did not tell anyone what you
were doing--just your erroneous conclusion based on the last thing you
probably installed.  Eventually after lots of questions you let slip a
critical detail that you were using some github code to write vulkan apps.

*ANY* buggy c programs and header files compiled and ran can easily take
out *ANY* OS of any type if they don't mess with the hardware exactly
right.   Unless the API has very very impressive error checking and
parameter validation then it can pass through garbage that will cause
whatever hardware it is messing with to crash.

And if you crash a critical piece of hardware such as the vulkan hardware
then probably the machine/OS when it tries to use the vulkan hardware for
something(graphics maybe) and/or get its status will also often crash as it
does not have code to handle the crashed hardware.

Always write up a full story of what you are doing when it went wrong.
Many times some detail you believe is non-critical is very critical.   This
also seems to indicate that you don't really understand what the code is
doing nor what its risks are.   If I am working against hardware at a low
level like that I am surprised if I don't mess up in some way and get one
or more crashes.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM Dorian ROSSE 
wrote:

> *" Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's important
> "*
>
> Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server ?
>
> Thank you in advance for your answer,
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Dorian Rosse.
> --
> *From:* Patrick O'Callaghan 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2021 6:15:28 PM
> *To:* users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
> *Subject:* Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some
> of it ?
>
> On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 14:42 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > All the c extension scripts and h extension scripts in the laster
> > vulkan github fork by khronos group !
> >
>
> Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's important
> to use the proper terminology to avoid confusion.
>
> > The other computer crash After install llvm is a windows setup kind
> > laptop with an b980 pentium,
>
> What are you mentioning Windows?
>
> Seriously, and please don't take this the wrong way, it's quite
> difficult to understand what you're asking. I think this is in part
> because you're not familiar with the Linux environment, but also
> because of language difficulty with English. I would recommend posting
> the questions on a French Linux site, or possibly asking for help in
> translation.
>
> poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

" Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's important "

Are you answer thoses are big scripts who are crash the fedora server ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 6:15:28 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 14:42 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> All the c extension scripts and h extension scripts in the laster
> vulkan github fork by khronos group !
>

Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's important
to use the proper terminology to avoid confusion.

> The other computer crash After install llvm is a windows setup kind
> laptop with an b980 pentium,

What are you mentioning Windows?

Seriously, and please don't take this the wrong way, it's quite
difficult to understand what you're asking. I think this is in part
because you're not familiar with the Linux environment, but also
because of language difficulty with English. I would recommend posting
the questions on a French Linux site, or possibly asking for help in
translation.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 14:42 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> All the c extension scripts and h extension scripts in the laster
> vulkan github fork by khronos group !
> 

Those are not scripts, they are source and header files. It's important
to use the proper terminology to avoid confusion.

> The other computer crash After install llvm is a windows setup kind
> laptop with an b980 pentium,

What are you mentioning Windows?

Seriously, and please don't take this the wrong way, it's quite
difficult to understand what you're asking. I think this is in part
because you're not familiar with the Linux environment, but also
because of language difficulty with English. I would recommend posting
the questions on a French Linux site, or possibly asking for help in
translation.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello,


All the c extension scripts and h extension scripts in the laster vulkan github 
fork by khronos group !

The other computer crash After install llvm is a windows setup kind laptop with 
an b980 pentium,

Thank you in advance for yours answers,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Joe Zeff 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:34:00 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/18/21 12:50 PM, John Mellor wrote:
> ???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do
> with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or
> broke some hardware more than anything else.

I'm guessing that he means shell scripts.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 08:43 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Patrick O'Callaghan
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine"
> > as
> > used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms,
> > e.g
> > hash, port, etc.
> > 
> 
> This is confusing enough for native English speakers; more confusing
> for
> those whose native language is not English.   Debian calls llvm
> "Modular
> compiler and toolchain technologies".   Wikipedia also uses this
> description,
> and says "The name *LLVM* was originally an initialism
>  for
> *Low Level *
> *Virtual Machine*."
> 
> Fedora packagers should not be propagating an outdated and
> potentially
> misleading description.

I agree.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
> It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine" as
> used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms, e.g
> hash, port, etc.
>

This is confusing enough for native English speakers; more confusing for
those whose native language is not English.   Debian calls llvm "Modular
compiler and toolchain technologies".   Wikipedia also uses this
description,
and says "The name *LLVM* was originally an initialism
 for
*Low Level *
*Virtual Machine*."

Fedora packagers should not be propagating an outdated and potentially
misleading description.

-- 
George N. White III
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 19:10 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> 
> On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> > > Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This
> > > does
> > > not make sense on multiple levels.
> > > 
> > > I was about to say the same thing, but:
> > > 
> > > $ dnf info llvm
> > > ...
> > > Summary  : The Low Level Virtual Machine
> 
> equally weird?  It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package 
> description says.  Its a compiler suite and an associated runtime
> lib, 
> and that's all.

It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine" as
used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms, e.g
hash, port, etc.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Oct 18, 2021, at 19:11, John Mellor  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
>>> Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
>>> not make sense on multiple levels.
>>> 
>>> I was about to say the same thing, but:
>>> 
>>> $ dnf info llvm
>>> ...
>>> Summary  : The Low Level Virtual Machine
> 
> Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'm not sure why llvm describes itself as a "Low Level 
> Virtual Machine", when it has nothing to do with that. Does the llvm team 
> seem to think that machine language is virtual or something equally weird?  
> It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package description says.  Its a 
> compiler suite and an associated runtime lib, and that's all.

The first paragraph on llvm.org:

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain 
technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual 
machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the 
project.



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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[John Mellor]

On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:

Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
not make sense on multiple levels.

I was about to say the same thing, but:

$ dnf info llvm
...
Summary  : The Low Level Virtual Machine


Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'm not sure why llvm describes itself as a "Low 
Level Virtual Machine", when it has nothing to do with that. Does the 
llvm team seem to think that machine language is virtual or something 
equally weird?  It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package 
description says.  Its a compiler suite and an associated runtime lib, 
and that's all.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
> not make sense on multiple levels.

I was about to say the same thing, but:

$ dnf info llvm
...
Summary  : The Low Level Virtual Machine
...

I think the OP is confused about what this means.

poc
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/18/21 12:50 PM, John Mellor wrote:
???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do 
with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or 
broke some hardware more than anything else.


I'm guessing that he means shell scripts.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[John Mellor]

On 2021-10-18 08:41, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
I was read llvm is a virtual manager for lang C and i was launch a lot 
of c scripts finaly did this work had crash my fedora server because 
they were too much c scripts ?



???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do 
with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or 
broke some hardware more than anything else.


Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does not 
make sense on multiple levels.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dave Ulrick]

On 10/18/21 07:41, Dorian ROSSE wrote:


I was read llvm is a virtual manager for lang C and i was launch a lot 
of c scripts finaly did this work had crash my fedora server because 
they were too much c scripts ?




Although I can't really make sense of your particular issue (you might 
want to consider posting to a Linux forum that uses your primary written 
language), I have seen issues where a seemingly stable PC became 
unstable--lockups, crashes, reboots--after launching another program yet 
online forums showed no sign of other people having such an issue with 
that program. Every time I suffered this, the root cause turned out to 
be hardware, most often a faulty memory DIMM.


Dave

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello everybody,


I was read llvm is a virtual manager for lang C and i was launch a lot of c 
scripts finaly did this work had crash my fedora server because they were too 
much c scripts ?

Thank you in advance for yours answers,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Dorian ROSSE 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:49:03 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

Outlook from my laptop went to crash,

I was edited gnupg then Outlook crash for fun in mode "without failure",

I ask just if you have another question for go more far,

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Jonathan Billings 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:31:12 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 04:08:51PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
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What?

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Outlook from my laptop went to crash,

I was edited gnupg then Outlook crash for fun in mode "without failure",

I ask just if you have another question for go more far,

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Jonathan Billings 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:31:12 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 04:08:51PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
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What?

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 04:08:51PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
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What?

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RE: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 02:46:43PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
>> Are you trying to compile ClamAV yourself, which is why you are
>> installing LLVM?
> 
> Firstly clamav was broken but before the system break clamav ran fully,

That isn't an answer to my question, but I am going to just assume you
had installed ClamAV through Fedora packages.

What errors did you get?  We don't want a description, we want the
actual errors printed by your Fedora system.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Dear Jonathan,


Are you trying to compile ClamAV yourself, which is why you are
installing LLVM?

Firstly clamav was broken but before the system break clamav ran fully,




 Are you trying to install LLVM from source?

For this answer i think this was a installing dnf !


Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Jonathan Billings 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:24:38 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 01:50:22PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> It will bring with 64 gigabyte of ram and the ram wear 2133 MHz of bandwith,
>
> The graphic card is a NVIDIA quatro p4,
>
> They have too three device network :
>
> A pentester ethic,
>
> A proxy squid,
>
> A (if red hat install it like this) snort online by two interface of network,
>
> Do i need more ram ?
>
> Do you think the setup can't break or do you advice to uninstall llvm ?

You haven't really answered anyone's questions.  I suspect this might
be a translation issue, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt,
we just aren't explaining things well enough.

Nothing you've described should prevent you from using Fedora, nor
stop you from installing ClamAV.  LLVM is just suite of development
tools, including compilers and build tools.  Installing it on a system
through the Fedora package manager should not affect your OS.

The fedora ClamAV package enables the system LLVM bytecode
interpreter, if that is what you are asking about.  It looks like
Fedora enables the system LLVM for every arch except PPC64, but you
aren't using that.  Simply installing the ClamAV packages will provide
you with the functionality without needing to install LLVM itself.

Are you trying to compile ClamAV yourself, which is why you are
installing LLVM? Are you trying to install LLVM from source?

Please tell us exactly what you are doing that is causing a problem.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

This was a fedora 33,

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: George N. White III 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:08:47 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 10:50, Dorian ROSSE 
mailto:dorianbr...@hotmail.fr>> wrote:
It will bring with 64 gigabyte of ram and the ram wear 2133 MHz of bandwith,

The graphic card is a NVIDIA quatro p4,

They have too three device network :

A pentester ethic,

A proxy squid,

A (if red hat install it like this) snort online by two interface of network,

Do i need more ram ?

Do you think the setup can't break or do you advice to uninstall llvm ?

Fedora is somewhat experimental and may not be suitable for your purposes.
You
haven't given us any of the important details (Fedora version, what doesn't 
work,
3rd party packages, etc.).

Without understanding your problem with the current hardware platform, we can't 
know if
the problem is some conflict with your software configuration or some hardware 
issue.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 01:50:22PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> It will bring with 64 gigabyte of ram and the ram wear 2133 MHz of bandwith,
> 
> The graphic card is a NVIDIA quatro p4,
> 
> They have too three device network :
> 
> A pentester ethic,
> 
> A proxy squid,
> 
> A (if red hat install it like this) snort online by two interface of network,
> 
> Do i need more ram ?
> 
> Do you think the setup can't break or do you advice to uninstall llvm ?

You haven't really answered anyone's questions.  I suspect this might
be a translation issue, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt,
we just aren't explaining things well enough.

Nothing you've described should prevent you from using Fedora, nor
stop you from installing ClamAV.  LLVM is just suite of development
tools, including compilers and build tools.  Installing it on a system
through the Fedora package manager should not affect your OS.

The fedora ClamAV package enables the system LLVM bytecode
interpreter, if that is what you are asking about.  It looks like
Fedora enables the system LLVM for every arch except PPC64, but you
aren't using that.  Simply installing the ClamAV packages will provide
you with the functionality without needing to install LLVM itself.

Are you trying to compile ClamAV yourself, which is why you are
installing LLVM? Are you trying to install LLVM from source?

Please tell us exactly what you are doing that is causing a problem. 

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 10:50, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> It will bring with 64 gigabyte of ram and the ram wear 2133 MHz of
> bandwith,
>
> The graphic card is a NVIDIA quatro p4,
>
> They have too three device network :
>
> A pentester ethic,
>
> A proxy squid,
>
> A (if red hat install it like this) snort online by two interface of
> network,
>
> Do i need more ram ?
>
> Do you think the setup can't break or do you advice to uninstall llvm ?
>

Fedora is somewhat experimental and may not be suitable for your
purposes.You
haven't given us any of the important details (Fedora version, what doesn't
work,
3rd party packages, etc.).

Without understanding your problem with the current hardware platform, we
can't know if
the problem is some conflict with your software configuration or some
hardware issue.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-10-17 at 12:12 +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> If i moove my hardware system on a good i5 instead a old FX 6300 you
> think my hardware system won't broken ?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your answer,

Is this still the same problem with llvm, or are you talking about
something else? If it's something else, you should post the question as
a new subject instead of replying to an existing one. This is very
confusing.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

It will bring with 64 gigabyte of ram and the ram wear 2133 MHz of bandwith,

The graphic card is a NVIDIA quatro p4,

They have too three device network :

A pentester ethic,

A proxy squid,

A (if red hat install it like this) snort online by two interface of network,

Do i need more ram ?

Do you think the setup can't break or do you advice to uninstall llvm ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: George N. White III 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 3:37:20 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 09:12, Dorian ROSSE 
mailto:dorianbr...@hotmail.fr>> wrote:
Dear George,


If i moove my hardware system on a good i5 instead a old FX 6300 you think my 
hardware system won't broken ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Impossible to say without much more information.


Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: George N. White III mailto:gnw...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:03:54 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>>
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 13:03, Dorian ROSSE 
mailto:dorianbr...@hotmail.fr>> wrote:
Hello everybody,


I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?


I have been using llvm (and clamav for years) and never saw a link
between llvm and hardware problems.  Llvm is very widely used.
If you have mainstream hardware, a hardware problem is unlikely to
be caused by llvm.

There are cases where bugs in newly installed software were only
triggered with very old or very new hardware that was not included
in testing the software.  Such problems are becoming more
likely with time, as the variety of hardware increases.

Please read the famous How to Report Bugs 
Effectively<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html>

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 at 09:12, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> Dear George,
>
>
> If i moove my hardware system on a good i5 instead a old FX 6300 you think
> my hardware system won't broken ?
>
> Thank you in advance for your answer,
>

Impossible to say without much more information.


>
> Regards.
>
>
> Dorian Rosse.
> --
> *From:* George N. White III 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:03:54 PM
> *To:* Community support for Fedora users 
> *Subject:* Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some
> of it ?
>
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 13:03, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
>
> I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :
>
> Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?
>
>
> I have been using llvm (and clamav for years) and never saw a link
> between llvm and hardware problems.  Llvm is very widely used.
> If you have mainstream hardware, a hardware problem is unlikely to
> be caused by llvm.
>
> There are cases where bugs in newly installed software were only
> triggered with very old or very new hardware that was not included
> in testing the software.  Such problems are becoming more
> likely with time, as the variety of hardware increases.
>
> Please read the famous How to Report Bugs Effectively
> <https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html>
>
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> George N. White III
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Dear George,


If i moove my hardware system on a good i5 instead a old FX 6300 you think my 
hardware system won't broken ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: George N. White III 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:03:54 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 13:03, Dorian ROSSE 
mailto:dorianbr...@hotmail.fr>> wrote:
Hello everybody,


I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?


I have been using llvm (and clamav for years) and never saw a link
between llvm and hardware problems.  Llvm is very widely used.
If you have mainstream hardware, a hardware problem is unlikely to
be caused by llvm.

There are cases where bugs in newly installed software were only
triggered with very old or very new hardware that was not included
in testing the software.  Such problems are becoming more
likely with time, as the variety of hardware increases.

Please read the famous How to Report Bugs 
Effectively<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html>

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 13:03, Dorian ROSSE  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
>
> I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :
>
> Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?
>
>
I have been using llvm (and clamav for years) and never saw a link
between llvm and hardware problems.  Llvm is very widely used.
If you have mainstream hardware, a hardware problem is unlikely to
be caused by llvm.

There are cases where bugs in newly installed software were only
triggered with very old or very new hardware that was not included
in testing the software.  Such problems are becoming more
likely with time, as the variety of hardware increases.

Please read the famous How to Report Bugs Effectively
<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html>

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 17/10/2021 15:08, Dorian ROSSE wrote:

I was in the hope anybody, a very good devlopper understand the bad through 
llvm,


Unless you can precisely describe how your system is being broken the best 
developer in the world will not
be able to help you.

I have an Acer Laptop with llvm installed and it runs just fine.

[egreshko@acer ~]$ sudo dnf install llvm
Last metadata expiration check: 1:59:45 ago on Sun Oct 17 14:50:31 2021.
Package llvm-13.0.0~rc1-1.fc35.x86_64 is already installed.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


Installed Packages
Name : llvm
Version  : 13.0.0~rc1
Release  : 1.fc35
Architecture : x86_64
Size : 51 M
Source   : llvm-13.0.0~rc1-1.fc35.src.rpm
Repository   : @System
From repo    : fedora
Summary  : The Low Level Virtual Machine
URL  : http://llvm.org
License  : NCSA
Description  : LLVM is a compiler infrastructure designed for compile-time,
: link-time, runtime, and idle-time optimization of programs from
: arbitrary programming languages. The compiler infrastructure
: includes mirror sets of programming tools as well as libraries 
with
: equivalent functionality.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

I was in the hope anybody, a very good devlopper understand the bad through 
llvm,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Joe Zeff 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:27:03 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/16/21 1:01 PM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Each time i was installed this program finaly the system broken,

Did the system break or did something happen to the hardware itself?
And, what were you doing when whatever it is happened?  We need more
details.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/16/21 1:01 PM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:

Each time i was installed this program finaly the system broken,


Did the system break or did something happen to the hardware itself? 
And, what were you doing when whatever it is happened?  We need more 
details.

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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 07:01:31PM +, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> Each time i was installed this program finaly the system broken,
> 
> Anyone had happen this ?
> 
> Thank you in advance for yours answers,

No one can answer your question because it is so vague and doesn't
include any examples of what a broken system look like. How did you
install llvm?  Did it succeed? 

Include errors, what behavior you expected and what you experienced.


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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Each time i was installed this program finaly the system broken,

Anyone had happen this ?

Thank you in advance for yours answers,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: John Mellor 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:29:18 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?



On 2021-10-16 12:03 p.m., Dorian ROSSE wrote:
I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?


???   Llvm is a compiler suite.  How does that break any of your hardware?
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[John Mellor]

On 2021-10-16 12:03 p.m., Dorian ROSSE wrote:

I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?



???   Llvm is a compiler suite.  How does that break any of your hardware?

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Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello everybody,


I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.
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