Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request [solved]

2019-05-28 Thread Max Pyziur

On Tue, 28 May 2019, Seth Kenlon wrote:


Interesting. I haven't had to stop Pulse for my music work in years
(but admittedly haven't worked on Fedora in a while, opting for the
stability of Slackware and RHEL; maybe this apparent regression
confirms my bias). Any way, glad you got it working!


Technically, it seems that you "suspend" it and never really kill the 
process.


If you look at the init.d-like script on Ted's MIDI Linux guide, the 
following line suspends pulseaudio.
pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa --device hw:0 --rate 44100 --period 128 
&>/tmp/jackd.out &


If you do something like pgrep -a pulse you'll see that there is a PID for 
a pulseaudio process.


Once you're finished with MIDI, you should stop fluidsynth and jackd; note 
the line that reads:

killall fluidsynth
killall jackd
echo Audio servers stopped.

Once that's done, then pulseaudio governs, and you can go back to using 
vlc, mplayer, watch youtube, etc.


fyi,

M


On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:18 AM Max Pyziur  wrote:


On Sat, 25 May 2019, Seth Kenlon wrote:


For a MIDI file to produce sound out of Rosegarden (and probably most
DAWs) you do have to assign the MIDI file an instrument.

If the MIDI file is composed for General MIDI, you have to assign
General MIDI to the track containing the MIDI file you are trying to
play. I haven't used Timidity++ directly in a long while, but if I
remember correctly, General MIDI is the default for it (although you
can swap out instrument sets in timidiity.cfg). So in other words,
while it *is* the default behaviour of Timidity to use General MIDI
mappings in order to produce sound from a MIDI file, that is *not* the
default for Rosegarden (et. al) because a DAW sort of expects you to
assign your own instruments.

If you are assigning an instrument (in Track Parameters) to the track
in Rosegarden, then I'd look at your sound output settings. I imagine
Rosegarden is sending sound output to something other than the
speakers or headphones you expect to hear output from. The way I check
for that is from the outside in: check all my physical cable
connections, then my sound settings in pavuctl (Sound Settings in
Gnome), then check JACK sound mappings, and then finally check
Rosegarden sound mapping.


Thank you for this.

I now can plug in a USB MIDI hardward controller (Akai LPK25) and open
Rosengarden, and get sound output. I also can load a MIDI file (found on
some MIDI archive) into Rosengarden, and it plays.

Not all Fedora-installed MIDI-related is functioning for me.

But combined that's a start and gets me to the next set of obstacles.

The critical set of instructions and web source that got me through this
is
Ted's Linux MIDI Guide
http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html

There's some explanation; critically Pulseaudio impedes MIDI functionality
and needs to be shutdown at the user level. The webpage provides a bash
init.d-style StartStopStatus script. It needs a bit of modification for
things such as the location the recommended soundfont.

The webpage also provides examples of commands to use for diagnostic
purposes.

fyi,

MP


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:43 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 5/24/19 6:32 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:

I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).

Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.

I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
get stuck.

As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip
audio from videos using ffmpeg, etc.

So, it seems that there are some services that need to be
enabled/started or disabled/stopped to move further here.


Try installing qsynth (gui for fluidsynth).  Connect it to the midi port.

I helped my son setup rosegarden to play around with some composing, so
I know it works.
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request [solved]

2019-05-27 Thread Seth Kenlon
Interesting. I haven't had to stop Pulse for my music work in years
(but admittedly haven't worked on Fedora in a while, opting for the
stability of Slackware and RHEL; maybe this apparent regression
confirms my bias). Any way, glad you got it working!

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:18 AM Max Pyziur  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2019, Seth Kenlon wrote:
>
> > For a MIDI file to produce sound out of Rosegarden (and probably most
> > DAWs) you do have to assign the MIDI file an instrument.
> >
> > If the MIDI file is composed for General MIDI, you have to assign
> > General MIDI to the track containing the MIDI file you are trying to
> > play. I haven't used Timidity++ directly in a long while, but if I
> > remember correctly, General MIDI is the default for it (although you
> > can swap out instrument sets in timidiity.cfg). So in other words,
> > while it *is* the default behaviour of Timidity to use General MIDI
> > mappings in order to produce sound from a MIDI file, that is *not* the
> > default for Rosegarden (et. al) because a DAW sort of expects you to
> > assign your own instruments.
> >
> > If you are assigning an instrument (in Track Parameters) to the track
> > in Rosegarden, then I'd look at your sound output settings. I imagine
> > Rosegarden is sending sound output to something other than the
> > speakers or headphones you expect to hear output from. The way I check
> > for that is from the outside in: check all my physical cable
> > connections, then my sound settings in pavuctl (Sound Settings in
> > Gnome), then check JACK sound mappings, and then finally check
> > Rosegarden sound mapping.
>
> Thank you for this.
>
> I now can plug in a USB MIDI hardward controller (Akai LPK25) and open
> Rosengarden, and get sound output. I also can load a MIDI file (found on
> some MIDI archive) into Rosengarden, and it plays.
>
> Not all Fedora-installed MIDI-related is functioning for me.
>
> But combined that's a start and gets me to the next set of obstacles.
>
> The critical set of instructions and web source that got me through this
> is
> Ted's Linux MIDI Guide
> http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html
>
> There's some explanation; critically Pulseaudio impedes MIDI functionality
> and needs to be shutdown at the user level. The webpage provides a bash
> init.d-style StartStopStatus script. It needs a bit of modification for
> things such as the location the recommended soundfont.
>
> The webpage also provides examples of commands to use for diagnostic
> purposes.
>
> fyi,
>
> MP
>
> > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:43 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/24/19 6:32 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
> >>> I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
> >>> MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).
> >>>
> >>> Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.
> >>>
> >>> I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
> >>> get stuck.
> >>>
> >>> As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip
> >>> audio from videos using ffmpeg, etc.
> >>>
> >>> So, it seems that there are some services that need to be
> >>> enabled/started or disabled/stopped to move further here.
> >>
> >> Try installing qsynth (gui for fluidsynth).  Connect it to the midi port.
> >>
> >> I helped my son setup rosegarden to play around with some composing, so
> >> I know it works.
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request [solved]

2019-05-27 Thread Max Pyziur

On Sat, 25 May 2019, Seth Kenlon wrote:


For a MIDI file to produce sound out of Rosegarden (and probably most
DAWs) you do have to assign the MIDI file an instrument.

If the MIDI file is composed for General MIDI, you have to assign
General MIDI to the track containing the MIDI file you are trying to
play. I haven't used Timidity++ directly in a long while, but if I
remember correctly, General MIDI is the default for it (although you
can swap out instrument sets in timidiity.cfg). So in other words,
while it *is* the default behaviour of Timidity to use General MIDI
mappings in order to produce sound from a MIDI file, that is *not* the
default for Rosegarden (et. al) because a DAW sort of expects you to
assign your own instruments.

If you are assigning an instrument (in Track Parameters) to the track
in Rosegarden, then I'd look at your sound output settings. I imagine
Rosegarden is sending sound output to something other than the
speakers or headphones you expect to hear output from. The way I check
for that is from the outside in: check all my physical cable
connections, then my sound settings in pavuctl (Sound Settings in
Gnome), then check JACK sound mappings, and then finally check
Rosegarden sound mapping.


Thank you for this.

I now can plug in a USB MIDI hardward controller (Akai LPK25) and open 
Rosengarden, and get sound output. I also can load a MIDI file (found on 
some MIDI archive) into Rosengarden, and it plays.


Not all Fedora-installed MIDI-related is functioning for me.

But combined that's a start and gets me to the next set of obstacles.

The critical set of instructions and web source that got me through this 
is

Ted's Linux MIDI Guide
http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html

There's some explanation; critically Pulseaudio impedes MIDI functionality 
and needs to be shutdown at the user level. The webpage provides a bash 
init.d-style StartStopStatus script. It needs a bit of modification for 
things such as the location the recommended soundfont.


The webpage also provides examples of commands to use for diagnostic 
purposes.


fyi,

MP


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:43 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


On 5/24/19 6:32 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:

I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).

Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.

I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
get stuck.

As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip
audio from videos using ffmpeg, etc.

So, it seems that there are some services that need to be
enabled/started or disabled/stopped to move further here.


Try installing qsynth (gui for fluidsynth).  Connect it to the midi port.

I helped my son setup rosegarden to play around with some composing, so
I know it works.
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-24 Thread Seth Kenlon
For a MIDI file to produce sound out of Rosegarden (and probably most
DAWs) you do have to assign the MIDI file an instrument.

If the MIDI file is composed for General MIDI, you have to assign
General MIDI to the track containing the MIDI file you are trying to
play. I haven't used Timidity++ directly in a long while, but if I
remember correctly, General MIDI is the default for it (although you
can swap out instrument sets in timidiity.cfg). So in other words,
while it *is* the default behaviour of Timidity to use General MIDI
mappings in order to produce sound from a MIDI file, that is *not* the
default for Rosegarden (et. al) because a DAW sort of expects you to
assign your own instruments.

If you are assigning an instrument (in Track Parameters) to the track
in Rosegarden, then I'd look at your sound output settings. I imagine
Rosegarden is sending sound output to something other than the
speakers or headphones you expect to hear output from. The way I check
for that is from the outside in: check all my physical cable
connections, then my sound settings in pavuctl (Sound Settings in
Gnome), then check JACK sound mappings, and then finally check
Rosegarden sound mapping.

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:43 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> On 5/24/19 6:32 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
> > I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
> > MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).
> >
> > Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.
> >
> > I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
> > get stuck.
> >
> > As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip
> > audio from videos using ffmpeg, etc.
> >
> > So, it seems that there are some services that need to be
> > enabled/started or disabled/stopped to move further here.
>
> Try installing qsynth (gui for fluidsynth).  Connect it to the midi port.
>
> I helped my son setup rosegarden to play around with some composing, so
> I know it works.
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-24 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 5/24/19 6:32 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB 
MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).


Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.

I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I 
get stuck.


As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip 
audio from videos using ffmpeg, etc.


So, it seems that there are some services that need to be 
enabled/started or disabled/stopped to move further here.


Try installing qsynth (gui for fluidsynth).  Connect it to the midi port.

I helped my son setup rosegarden to play around with some composing, so 
I know it works.

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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-24 Thread Max Pyziur

On Fri, 24 May 2019, Andras Simon wrote:


2019-05-24 15:32 GMT+02:00, Max Pyziur :


After reading some, I checked to see if I had the necessary software
installed (I do).

I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).

Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.

I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
get stuck.


I think you need something, such as timidity++ which generates sounds.
If you have it running and connected to RG in qjackctl, but still get
no sound, then I'm sorry, I can't help But try asking on the


I have timidity; I load a midi file and it plays.

I open VMPK, run a mouse over the virtual keys, and I get sound.

I open MusE, load a MIDI file; I see activity, but hear no sound.

I go back to VMPK, and it generates no sound.

The challenge is making something like Rosengardan function.

It seems that it involves understanding the technology stack.

With networks you have something like ifconfig -a, lsof -i, or nwcli to 
use which can give you some diagnostics and probe network functionality 
and connections.


Are there tools to use to diagnose configurations?

Thanks.

M



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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-24 Thread Andras Simon
2019-05-24 15:32 GMT+02:00, Max Pyziur :

> After reading some, I checked to see if I had the necessary software
> installed (I do).
>
> I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
> MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).
>
> Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.
>
> I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
> get stuck.

I think you need something, such as timidity++ which generates sounds.
If you have it running and connected to RG in qjackctl, but still get
no sound, then I'm sorry, I can't help But try asking on the
Linux-audio-user mailing list:
linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-24 Thread Max Pyziur

On Fri, 24 May 2019, Seth Kenlon wrote:


Specific to Rosegarden, I wrote this article:
https://opensource.com/article/18/3/make-sweet-music-digital-audio-workstation-rosegarden

For more general information about Linux and MIDI and Audio and
...stuff... I maintain a whole website on the topic. The catch is,
it's not specific to Fedora (and in fact is specific to Slackware, the
distro I use at home and, in the past, as a multimedia infrastructure
consultant). That said, there's a lot of useful information that
actually does apply equally to Fedora (and RHEL).

Rosegarden (again): http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=rosegarden

MIDI and Linux: http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=midi

JACK: http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=jack

I hope some of these are useful!


Much thanks for this; these are very helpful.

After reading some, I checked to see if I had the necessary software 
installed (I do).


I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB 
MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).


Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.

I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I 
get stuck.


As I mentioned, I can work w MuseScore, Transcribe!, Audacity, strip audio 
from videos using ffmpeg, etc.


So, it seems that there are some services that need to be enabled/started 
or disabled/stopped to move further here.


Thank you again,

M





On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:02 PM Max Pyziur  wrote:


On Wed, 22 May 2019, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 5/22/19 8:20 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:

Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for using
MIDI on Fedora?


That's a wide topic.  Could you explain more specifically what you want to
do?


I'm fluent in things like working with Musecore; by default using some
sort of MIDI process it plays back whatever I annote. Transcribe! is a
great resource for me.

However, My first few tries at MIDI setup (trying to get Rosengarden
working) on my Fedora machines didn't work.

I've googled for links that offer step-by-step instructions. I've tried to
follow them. Other projects and distractions have gotten in the way.

So my request is to this Fedora Community, that knowledgebase, not
Google's, for some sort of authoritative guidance on implementing MIDI on
a Fedora based system.

My laptop is a Dell XPS 13 L322X w an i7 processor; my desktop is a
homespun Shuttle PC box.

As some first projects, I'd like to create some backing tracks for
practicing my keyboard (some walking bass lines and drums). Stuff like
that.

Much thanks,

Max


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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-23 Thread Seth Kenlon
Specific to Rosegarden, I wrote this article:
https://opensource.com/article/18/3/make-sweet-music-digital-audio-workstation-rosegarden

For more general information about Linux and MIDI and Audio and
...stuff... I maintain a whole website on the topic. The catch is,
it's not specific to Fedora (and in fact is specific to Slackware, the
distro I use at home and, in the past, as a multimedia infrastructure
consultant). That said, there's a lot of useful information that
actually does apply equally to Fedora (and RHEL).

Rosegarden (again): http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=rosegarden

MIDI and Linux: http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=midi

JACK: http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=jack

I hope some of these are useful!



On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:02 PM Max Pyziur  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2019, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> > On 5/22/19 8:20 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
> >> Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for using
> >> MIDI on Fedora?
> >
> > That's a wide topic.  Could you explain more specifically what you want to
> > do?
>
> I'm fluent in things like working with Musecore; by default using some
> sort of MIDI process it plays back whatever I annote. Transcribe! is a
> great resource for me.
>
> However, My first few tries at MIDI setup (trying to get Rosengarden
> working) on my Fedora machines didn't work.
>
> I've googled for links that offer step-by-step instructions. I've tried to
> follow them. Other projects and distractions have gotten in the way.
>
> So my request is to this Fedora Community, that knowledgebase, not
> Google's, for some sort of authoritative guidance on implementing MIDI on
> a Fedora based system.
>
> My laptop is a Dell XPS 13 L322X w an i7 processor; my desktop is a
> homespun Shuttle PC box.
>
> As some first projects, I'd like to create some backing tracks for
> practicing my keyboard (some walking bass lines and drums). Stuff like
> that.
>
> Much thanks,
>
> Max
>
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-22 Thread Max Pyziur

On Wed, 22 May 2019, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 5/22/19 8:20 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for using 
MIDI on Fedora?


That's a wide topic.  Could you explain more specifically what you want to 
do?


I'm fluent in things like working with Musecore; by default using some 
sort of MIDI process it plays back whatever I annote. Transcribe! is a 
great resource for me.


However, My first few tries at MIDI setup (trying to get Rosengarden 
working) on my Fedora machines didn't work.


I've googled for links that offer step-by-step instructions. I've tried to 
follow them. Other projects and distractions have gotten in the way.


So my request is to this Fedora Community, that knowledgebase, not 
Google's, for some sort of authoritative guidance on implementing MIDI on 
a Fedora based system.


My laptop is a Dell XPS 13 L322X w an i7 processor; my desktop is a 
homespun Shuttle PC box.


As some first projects, I'd like to create some backing tracks for 
practicing my keyboard (some walking bass lines and drums). Stuff like 
that.


Much thanks,

Max


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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-22 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 5/22/19 8:20 AM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for 
using MIDI on Fedora?


That's a wide topic.  Could you explain more specifically what you want 
to do?

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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-22 Thread Jon Ingason
Den 2019-05-22 kl. 17:20, skrev Max Pyziur:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for
> using MIDI on Fedora?

Found following while I googled "using MIDI on Fedora":

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Musicians_Guide/sect-Musicians_Guide-FluidSynth-Configuring-MIDI_Input.html

> 
> Much thanks,
> 
> Max Pyziur
> p...@brama.com
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Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

2019-05-22 Thread Max Pyziur


Greetings,

Are there any recommendations for canonical/authoritative guides for using 
MIDI on Fedora?


Much thanks,

Max Pyziur
p...@brama.com
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