Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-05-06 Thread Stephen Morris

On 7/5/18 7:42 am, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 05/07/18 05:34, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:

On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:

Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget what 
it's
called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type (Gnome/Wayland or
Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have installed.

Richard

That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a pretty stock
Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three previous releases to 
F27.

digimer


I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it shows 
me 3
gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling wayland as 
specified in
a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems to have put it back again), 
which
indicate that in your case you potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. The 3
options I have are "Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on Xorg", of which the 
first
is wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance issues
with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under Xorg, there is no
implementation for Wayland yet.


You are incorrect about KDE not supporting wayland.  It isn't the default and it
isn't installed by default but you can get wayland support in KDE by installing
"plasma-workspace-wayland".  I've not tried it recently, but when I did I had a
sluggish system.


Thanks Ed, when I had the performance issues with Gdm and Gnome in 
Wayland, and I queried why Gnome had them but KDE didn't, and why I 
didn't have the same menu entries for KDE that are provided for Gnome, I 
was told that Wayland had only been implemented for Gnome.


regards,

Steve





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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-05-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/07/18 05:34, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:
>> On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>> Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget 
>>> what it's
>>> called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type (Gnome/Wayland or
>>> Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have installed.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>> That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a pretty stock
>> Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three previous releases 
>> to F27.
>>
>> digimer
>>
> I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it 
> shows me 3
> gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling wayland as 
> specified in
> a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems to have put it back again), 
> which
> indicate that in your case you potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. 
> The 3
> options I have are "Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on Xorg", of which the 
> first
> is wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance 
> issues
> with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under Xorg, there is 
> no
> implementation for Wayland yet.
>

You are incorrect about KDE not supporting wayland.  It isn't the default and it
isn't installed by default but you can get wayland support in KDE by installing
"plasma-workspace-wayland".  I've not tried it recently, but when I did I had a
sluggish system.


-- 
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fact.



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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-05-06 Thread Stephen Morris

On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:

On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I 
forget what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your 
session type (Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop 
managers you have installed.


Richard


That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a 
pretty stock Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or 
three previous releases to F27.


digimer

I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it 
shows me 3 gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling 
wayland as specified in a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems 
to have put it back again), which indicate that in your case you 
potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. The 3 options I have are 
"Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on Xorg", of which the first is 
wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance 
issues with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under 
Xorg, there is no implementation for Wayland yet.



regards,

Steve



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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread digimer

On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I 
forget what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your session 
type (Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you 
have installed.


Richard


That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a pretty 
stock Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three 
previous releases to F27.


digimer
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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Rex Dieter
Digimer wrote:

> On 2018-04-19 08:40 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> Danny Horne via users wrote:
>> 
>>> On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
 Hi all,

   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am
   still
 on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;

   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?

 Thanks.

>>> I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
>>> /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out
>> 
>> fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.
>> 
>> -- Rex
> 
> That line was already commented out. Do you know how to switch to Wayland?

gnome autodetects if your system supports wayland or not. I don't think 
there's a way to manually override that.

The real question: why does that detection fail in your case?  (one 
possibility: do you use nvidia drivers?)

-- Rex
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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Richard Shaw
Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget
what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type
(Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have
installed.

Richard
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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Digimer
On 2018-04-19 08:40 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Danny Horne via users wrote:
> 
>> On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
>>> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
>>>
>>>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
>> /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out
> 
> fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.
> 
> -- Rex

That line was already commented out. Do you know how to switch to Wayland?

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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Digimer
On 2018-04-19 07:07 AM, Danny Horne via users wrote:
> On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
>> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
>>
>>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
> /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out

It's already commented out.

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Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould
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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Rex Dieter
Danny Horne via users wrote:

> On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
>> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
>>
>>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
> /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out

fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.

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Re: Switching to Wayland on F27

2018-04-19 Thread Danny Horne via users
On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
>
>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
>
> Thanks.
>
I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
/etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out
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