Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

 

 





 
 


On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:

Hello,

texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?

Is pdflatex or one of the more modern variants an option, rather than using dvi? 

texlive includes lualatex which seems to be the alternative to latex, and it has been udapted in texlive 2022

including the pdf file generation


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Re: texlive

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
> texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
> Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?
>
Is pdflatex or one of the more modern variants an option, rather than using
dvi?
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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?

Thank

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> > Hello,
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> > This is the feedback that I got from lyx maintainer about
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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 22:22 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This is the feedback that I got from lyx maintainer about
> the issue psline (previous message)

You should post this as a reply to your previous message and keep
threading intact so people don't have to search for it.

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Re: texlive

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Bernardo Sulzbach sent:
> I think it really boils down to what is your conception of "text
> processor". 

That keeps getting redefined, over the years.

Early ones were little more than an electric typewriter on screen,
sometimes called an article editor.  Some people consider it a word
processor if you have basic editing features, others just call that a
text editor, and expect some sort of cross-referencing features as a
bare minimum (indexes, bibliographies, etc.).

I think you'll be hard-pressed to find everyone agreeing on what one
basically is, other than pointing at some highly featured one saying,
that's a word processor.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> At the risk of being pedantic, it doesn't contain a word processor. It
> contains a document typesetting system. It has no user interface other
> than your favourite text editor (although various GUI-like things have
> been developed around it for those interested). Anyway, enough about
> that.
>

Last message I drop in this thread, hopefully. I think it really boils
down to what is your conception of "text processor". Personally, I
agree with you, TeX is not a cousin of LibreOffice Writer.


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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 17:15 +, Beartooth wrote:
> Many thanks to all who replied! Even the OT comments
> interested me. (I have a BA in pure math.) By way of comparison, my
> dissertation (1970) was typed on an electric typewriter, and cut &
> pasted with scissors and rubber cement; I never touched a computer
> till the early Eighties.

My PhD thesis (1978) was written on a PDP-11/45 with 6th Edition Unix,
using "em", formatted in Nroff and printed on a Diablo :-) Luckily for
me, there were no formulae in it.

> For the record, I never called texlive a word-processor; what
> I did say was that it contained one. (That much was obvious just
> from skimming the list of routines that got updated by dnf.) 

At the risk of being pedantic, it doesn't contain a word processor. It
contains a document typesetting system. It has no user interface other
than your favourite text editor (although various GUI-like things have
been developed around it for those interested). Anyway, enough about
that.

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Re: texlive

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:32:04 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:

> On 01/24/2016 12:37 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>>  Is there some reason I don't see to keep this enormous app, or
>> would I be better off just telling dnf to remove it??
> 
> Try removing it with --assumeno to see what else would go away with it.

Many thanks to all who replied! Even the OT comments interested 
me. (I have a BA in pure math.) By way of comparison, my dissertation 
(1970) was typed on an electric typewriter, and cut & pasted with 
scissors and rubber cement; I never touched a computer till the early 
Eighties.

For the record, I never called texlive a word-processor; what I 
did say was that it contained one. (That much was obvious just from 
skimming the list of routines that got updated by dnf.) 

When dnf listed all the things it would delete, I typed the ones 
I thought I might want into a second root prompt after "dnf install", and 
ran it after the deletion finished. That'd've put back a baker's dozen 
items from texlive, plus a couple for qgis, plus a couple of python 
plotters -- stuff I might like, but would probably seldom if ever get 
around to using. 

Again, many thanks to all!



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Re: texlive

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 25.01.2016 um 16:50 schrieb Bernardo Sulzbach:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:

when being forced by my
customers to use Word.

Would you mind sharing how common this was?

The publishing house I had been working for usually does their 
typesetting with InDesign, and when it comes to math, they use an 
InDesign plugin called mt.editor.
They also produce materials for teachers like worksheets etc. which are 
supposed to be editable, that's when Word comes into the play - but I 
think now we are drifting a bit OT ...

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Re: texlive

[vendor]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:

when being forced by my
customers to use Word.


Would you mind sharing how common this was?





It's very common in the Pathology community.  I wrote two book chapters and 
published about 20 articles in the past 5 years, and they all required Word 
documents.  I run Windows XP as a virtual machine specifically so I can take my 
LibreOffice documents and run them through Word to make sure everything works 
before submitting them.  This obviously doesn't involve a lot of equations, but 
it does involve diagrams and illustrations, which can be an issue.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:
> when being forced by my
> customers to use Word.

Would you mind sharing how common this was?


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Re: texlive

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 25.01.2016 um 16:21 schrieb Bernardo Sulzbach:

Just an addition to George's impressive answer: I only tried Word
equations on 2013 (the version) and it was painfully bad, sometimes
blocking the program for as much as two or three seconds when I was
entering a complex fraction.

However, maybe it was just a bad installation or something that got
fixed in the latest releases.


Having edited math textbooks for students 5-12 in my professional live 
and still doing so occasionally after retirement, I found out that I had 
to bite the bullet and pay some Euros for MathType (the formula editor 
Word was a light version of this plugin until 2003, I think) when being 
forced by my customers to use Word.  Only this way  I achieved to 
smoothly integrate formulas into the document fonts.

As far as I know, the MathType engine is tex based.
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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Just an addition to George's impressive answer: I only tried Word
equations on 2013 (the version) and it was painfully bad, sometimes
blocking the program for as much as two or three seconds when I was
entering a complex fraction.

However, maybe it was just a bad installation or something that got
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Re: texlive

[George N. White III]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 13:52 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because
> > its
> > ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?
> >
> > I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> > tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a
> > precision
> > page layout engine, either.
>
> Yes, it really outclasses the alternatives. When it comes to
> typesetting complex equations, it really has no competition. No doubt
> Word can be tortured into producing equation output (I know it has some
> maths setting capability) but the huge advantage of TeX/LaTeX is that
> it's *not* a word processor, it's a document description language and
> typesetter. There are plenty of examples on the Web so I won't repeat
> them here, but as someone who worked on an early typesetting system for
> Cambridge University Press (way back in the 70's) I know how horrendous
> maths copy can be and how well TeX handles it.
>

I formatted my PhD thesis "way back in the 70's" using a CDC mainframe
system with a small character set (no lowercase alphabet). Markup was
needed for capitalization as well as (typewriter-quality) maths.  TeX was
developed on a system that supported 7-bit ASCII.

Since 2007, Word has used a high-quality math layout engine internally.
In short, LaTeX provides structural markup for the low-level TeX engine,
while
current versions of Word provide a GUI for an engine whose capabilities
draw heavily on the ideas  behind TeX) but extended to support UniCode.

See  
for details of how Word has adopted (and extended in areas such as
UniCode math support) the math typesetting infrastructure that grew
up around TeX. Current versions of Word are capable of producing
high-quality
maths, but there are other reasons for the continued importance of TeX-based
systems.

TeX/LaTeX are widely used to format software documentation where
batch processing across unix/linux and Windows systems is required.
There are some massive documents (think about technical manuals for
commercial aircraft) that may need to be be provided in multiple
translations and formats where a TeX-based format makes it
possible to automate much of the formatting.

For technical writing in other than Western-European languages (e.g.,
using UniCOde), open-source TeX-based systems have lagged a few
years behind Word.  Developing  high-quality fonts thru international
standards processes has been slow.  Microsoft can just go ahead and
do things without consulting external bodies.   Since there is still an
important segment of the TeX community using ASCII source format
and a huge number of existing documents that requite updating and
revisions, TeX has to preserve support for legacy documents.   As a
result, we now have two widely used engines, pdfTeX  and luaTeX,
and also multiple backends (dvips, dvipdfmx), bibliographic systems,
and systems for generating graphics in TeX-based documents.

The fact that the TeX-based systems are open-source means that users
with needs that are not handled by Word can often find solutions
using a modern TeX system.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 11:25 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> Let's also remind the average Word user that setting up a working
> copy
> of LaTeX and learning even the basics of the syntax - and what you
> shouldn't do - takes a few extra hours when compared to learning a
> What You See Is What You Get like Word.

To quote Brian Kernighan on WYSIWYG systems, they're actually "What You
See Is All You Get" :-)

> In defense of Word and Writer (LibreOffice), most publishers of books
> that consist mostly of text do use text processors as they are decent
> nowadays.

For some values of "decent". Unfortunately they leave too many design
decisions to the author rather than the publisher, and only work
properly if the author resists the temptation to fiddle with style
sheets.

> Just a last mention, you can see that everyone on this mailing list
> that has used TeX advocates for it. This has to mean something.

All very true.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Let's also remind the average Word user that setting up a working copy
of LaTeX and learning even the basics of the syntax - and what you
shouldn't do - takes a few extra hours when compared to learning a
What You See Is What You Get like Word.

In defense of Word and Writer (LibreOffice), most publishers of books
that consist mostly of text do use text processors as they are decent
nowadays.

Just a last mention, you can see that everyone on this mailing list
that has used TeX advocates for it. This has to mean something.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 13:52 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because
> its
> ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?
> 
> I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a
> precision
> page layout engine, either.

Yes, it really outclasses the alternatives. When it comes to
typesetting complex equations, it really has no competition. No doubt
Word can be tortured into producing equation output (I know it has some
maths setting capability) but the huge advantage of TeX/LaTeX is that
it's *not* a word processor, it's a document description language and
typesetter. There are plenty of examples on the Web so I won't repeat
them here, but as someone who worked on an early typesetting system for
Cambridge University Press (way back in the 70's) I know how horrendous
maths copy can be and how well TeX handles it.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 22:23 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their
> > papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

You may be right, though I'm not sure by how much. An order of
magnitude would mean only around 10% qualify and I doubt that's the
case. Or maybe you were being as informal as I was ...

> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount
> of crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

A quick look at recent preprints in arxiv.org shows e.g. in maths
virtually every paper appears to be in TeX/LaTeX, similarly in physics.
Of course that's a judgment call based on appearance (such as the fonts
used and whether formulae are properly typeset) since most papers don't
say what system they were written in. Certainly the active research
mathematicians I know write exclusively in LaTeX, but I've been out of
the game for some years now.

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
> proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality
> files.

We can agree on that.

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:52:05 +1030 Tim  wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> > It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
> > then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
> > especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
> > in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
> > it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-) 
> 
> Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because its
> ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?

It is not engrained in academia in general, but predominant in things that need 
complicated outlets and equations.

> 
> I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a precision
> page layout engine, either.

Try out both and see the difference!

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Re: texlive

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
> then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
> especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
> in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
> it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-) 

Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because its
ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?

I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a precision
page layout engine, either.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Ranjan Maitra
 wrote:
>
> FWIW, I think that if you read Patrick's complete statement, he is not 
> terribly inaccurate: he cites Math, Physics, CS -- to that I would add 
> statistics and computational methods/OR. If you look at some of the 
> professional societies (eg IEEE, ACM, ASA, AMA, etc) that submit style files, 
> you will note that TeX overwhelms everything else.
>

I said, and quote:

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using proper 
> document markup languages and compiled into high quality files.

The associations abovementioned have very high quality standards, much
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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 22:23:47 -0200 Bernardo Sulzbach 
 wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their papers in TeX 
> > or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.
> 
> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount of
> crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

FWIW, I think that if you read Patrick's complete statement, he is not terribly 
inaccurate: he cites Math, Physics, CS -- to that I would add statistics and 
computational methods/OR. If you look at some of the professional societies (eg 
IEEE, ACM, ASA, AMA, etc) that submit style files, you will note that TeX 
overwhelms everything else. 

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 22:23 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their
> > papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

You may be right, though I'm not sure by how much. An order of
magnitude would mean only around 10% qualify and I doubt that's the
case. Or maybe you were being as informal as I was ...

> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount
> of crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

A quick look at recent preprints in arxiv.org shows e.g. in maths
virtually every paper appears to be in TeX/LaTeX, similarly in physics.
Of course that's a judgment call based on appearance (such as the fonts
used and whether formulae are properly typeset) since most papers don't
say what system they were written in. Certainly the active research
mathematicians I know write exclusively in LaTeX, but I don't read as
many papers now as I used to.

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
> proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality
> files.

We can agree on that.

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/24/2016 12:37 PM, Beartooth wrote:

Is there some reason I don't see to keep this enormous app, or
would I be better off just telling dnf to remove it??


Try removing it with --assumeno to see what else would go away with it.
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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their papers in TeX 
> or its cousin LaTeX.

Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount of
crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality files.
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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 21:45 +, Beartooth wrote:
> But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain a
> word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if
> any) might call it.

It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-)

However there's certainly no reason to have it on your system if you
don't use it. Feel free to erase the whole shebang. Dnf (or yum) will
warn you before wiping anything else that depends on it.

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Re: texlive

[jd1008]

On 01/24/2016 03:01 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:45:36 + Beartooth  wrote:


On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:


Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
using it?

As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.

But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain
a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any)
might call it.

Just


sudo dnf erase texlive\-*

and see what it offers to take out with it. If you can live without those, then 
you are in business.

R, for isntance, uses texlive. Also many other packages (eg ImageMagick-perl, 
etc) do.

HTH,
Ranjan

Note:
texlive packages are depended upon by:

atril
atril-caja
atril-devel
atril-libs
compat-guile18
frescobaldi
lilypond
lyx
lyx-common
mathjax
mathjax-ams-fonts
mathjax-caligraphic-fonts
mathjax-fraktur-fonts
mathjax-main-fonts
mathjax-math-fonts
mathjax-sansserif-fonts
mathjax-script-fonts
mathjax-size1-fonts
mathjax-size2-fonts
mathjax-size3-fonts
mathjax-size4-fonts
mathjax-typewriter-fonts
mathjax-winchrome-fonts
mathjax-winie6-fonts
tetex-dvipost

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:45:36 + Beartooth  wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> 
> > Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
> > using it?
> 
>   As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.
> 
>   But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain 
> a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any) 
> might call it.

Just


sudo dnf erase texlive\-*

and see what it offers to take out with it. If you can live without those, then 
you are in business.

R, for isntance, uses texlive. Also many other packages (eg ImageMagick-perl, 
etc) do.

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Re: texlive

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:

> Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
> using it?

As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.

But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain 
a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any) 
might call it.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of using it?
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Re: texlive

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Hello:

My suggestion is that no matter which distro are using you, install TeXLive
2013 (
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/133235/installing-tex-live-2013-on-linux)
full or TeXLive 2014 (coming soon) from an iso image from the CTAN (
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/Images) or another source (
http://www.ctan.org/pkg/eitl). Then you'll be able to get your TeXLive
packages updated and don't depend of the likes and decisions from the
people who develops Fedora or another distro, who thinks about the average
user and sometimes for that, is that you have issues when you are out of
the average usage.

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Re: texlive

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 01:04:22 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:

> ! Package babel Error: Unknown option `french'. Either you misspelled it
> (babel)                or the language definition file french.ldf was not 
> found
> .
> 
> Is it a lyx of a fedora issue?

That question isn't interesting.

More interesting would be to ask: Is it due to incorrect usage by the user
or a problem in the packaged software?

Why? Because if it were a problem in the software (or the packages)
as included with Fedora 20, it would be a problem affecting Fedora 20
and ought to be reported. Even more so, if you can rule out that you've
made a mistake.
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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

> - Original Message -
> From: Ed Greshko
> Sent: 01/26/14 12:49 AM
> To: Community support for Fedora users
> Subject: Re: texlive
> 
> On 01/26/14 07:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
> >> the following file:
> >> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
> >> has been replaced by:
> >> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf
> >>
> >> which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.
> >>
> >> Is it intentional or a bug?
> >>
> >> Thank.
> >>
> > Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
> > (as well as frenchb.cfg)
> > while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
> > it seems to be required by lyx!
> 
> 3:texlive-babel-french-svn31136.2.6e-3.fc20.noarch : Babel contributed 
> support for
>  : French
> Repo : fedora
> Matched from:
> Filename : /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-french/frenchb.ldf
> Other : tex(frenchb.ldf) = 2013
> 
> ??
> 
OK,

I do not understand what is going on.
texlive-frenchle delivers french.ldf (in fedora 18 there is no french.ldf
but a frenchb.ldf provided by texlixe-babel).

but lyx complains:

dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def
File: babel.def 2013/12/03 3.9h Babel common definitions
\babel@savecnt=\count90
\U@D=\dimen107
)
\l@british = a dialect from \language\l@english 
\l@UKenglish = a dialect from \language\l@english 
\l@canadian = a dialect from \language\l@american 
\l@australian = a dialect from \language\l@british 
\l@newzealand = a dialect from \language\l@british 
)

! Package babel Error: Unknown option `french'. Either you misspelled it
(babel)                or the language definition file french.ldf was not found
.

Is it a lyx of a fedora issue?


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Re: texlive

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/26/14 07:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
>> the following file:
>> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
>> has been replaced by:
>> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf
>>
>> which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.
>>
>> Is it intentional or a bug?
>>
>> Thank.
>>
> Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
> (as well as frenchb.cfg)
> while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
> it seems to be required by lyx!

3:texlive-babel-french-svn31136.2.6e-3.fc20.noarch : Babel contributed support 
for
   : French
Repo: fedora
Matched from:
Filename: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-french/frenchb.ldf
Other   : tex(frenchb.ldf) = 2013

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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

> 
> Hello,
> 
> It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
> the following file:
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
> has been replaced by:
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf
> 
> which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.
> 
> Is it intentional or a bug?
> 
> Thank.
> 
Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
(as well as frenchb.cfg)
while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
it seems to be required by lyx!


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Re: texlive

[Suvayu Ali]

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 02:24:52PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Tethys wrote:
> 
> > ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> > in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> > problematic.
> 
> I don't regard conTeXt as a part of TeX/LaTeX.

That is a rather weird statement.  ConTeXt is a macro package for TeX
typesetting engines, so I would say LaTeX and ConTeXt are alternate
solutions based on the same core and are both part of the collection of
software often known as TeX and friends.  It is also part of the TeXLive
distribution.

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Re: texlive

[Timothy Murphy]

Tethys wrote:

> TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
> there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
> critical bug reports.

I use LaTeX and Metafont under Fedora-17 and Fedora-18 quite a lot,
and have had no problems.

> ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> problematic.

I don't regard conTeXt as a part of TeX/LaTeX.


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Re: texlive

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 08:44:34PM -0500, George Avrunin wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:47:52 +, Tethys wrote:
> 
> > I tried various
> > other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
> > happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
> > mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
> > published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
> > a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
> > the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
> > whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.
> > 
> > Tet
> > 
> 
> Have you tried installing TeX Live directly from CTAN (e.g., download
> install-tl-unx.tar.gz and perhaps update regularly using tlmgr)?  If
> there's a problem with the F17 version, it's possible that the actual TeX
> Live 2012, updated from CTAN, would solve it.  I don't use ConTeXt (and
> I'm on F18 now), so I can't say anything about that.  But on F17 I used
> TeX Live from CTAN, not the Fedora rpms, and everything I use worked
> fine.  (I haven't had any problems with the one from the rpms on F18 yet
> either, but ...)

I will second the TeXLive distribution from CTAN.  I have been using it
since TeXLive 2010, and it has always behaved reliably.  I do not have
any ConTeXt document that I can typeset, but I can run the binary.

$ context --version

mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.52
mtx-context |
mtx-context | main context file: 
/opt/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/context.mkiv
mtx-context | current version: 2012.05.30 11:26

Hope this helps,

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Re: texlive

[George Avrunin]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:47:52 +, Tethys wrote:

> I tried various
> other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
> happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
> mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
> published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
> a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
> the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
> whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.
> 
> Tet
> 

Have you tried installing TeX Live directly from CTAN (e.g., download
install-tl-unx.tar.gz and perhaps update regularly using tlmgr)?  If
there's a problem with the F17 version, it's possible that the actual TeX
Live 2012, updated from CTAN, would solve it.  I don't use ConTeXt (and
I'm on F18 now), so I can't say anything about that.  But on F17 I used
TeX Live from CTAN, not the Fedora rpms, and everything I use worked
fine.  (I haven't had any problems with the one from the rpms on F18 yet
either, but ...)

  George




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Re: texlive

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Well I have been using TeXlive for a long time, and I do it in different
machines and with different OS. But my basic system is Ubuntu LTS, I hate
to change my OS every six months and I prefer something more stables. With
Fedora in the last versions I have few troubles and I use them but they are
not my hit. But, yes I know, this is a Fedora list.


And about TeXLive and all those troubles, in fact as José Matos says, we
need to install all the schemes we need for our papers and projects. I
teach how to use LaTeX from the most basic until special packages for
certain task, not always for typeset math. TeX in fact is more than that,
but of course isn't the only tool, so i install Tex-live full, all the
schemes for avoid those problems. It can be a little expensive abut
the HDspace usage with up 1.5 GB for store everything, but this is how
I can use
different compilers such as tex, pdtex, latex, pdflatex, xetex, xelatex and
luatex for ConTeXt.

Perhaps you can customise the settings of the TeXlive for install only the
packages you need, but I don't know if it is possible or how to do it. So
simply I prefer install everything.

As Gordon Bell said: TeX is potentially the most significant invention in
typesetting in the last century [...] and in terms of importance could rank
near the introduction of the Gutenberg press.

So isn't the only tool, but perhaps is the most powerful one. We have
InDesign (not in linux yet) and Scribus, and they're good for some tasks,
but in my opinion we can't compare them, TeX and both of its embodiments:
LaTeX and ConTeXt can do a better work , faster and easier than InDesign,
QuarkXpress, Scribus and others. We can typeset huge quantities of pages
automatically with an excellent composition and without adjust manually
line by line and save paper using the traditional pica points instead the
PostScript pica points.

There is a long time (two years ago) I don't use Scribus, is an interesting
software, but the typographical management was poor for me and unable to
take advantage of Open Type features. With LaTeX we can do it using
XeLaTeXand it's great. Surely
Scribus now is better than the version I knew, but it can be better for
typeset highly hierarchized texts with a lot of cross references, and
equations, chemical formulae or musical notation or chess notation, but
it's ok for magazines, newspapers, brochures (leaflets) and all those
publications where the design and the number of pages depends from the
contents.

I do not think the way pdf file is created is important, but the way you
can compose an equation, or another thing typographically difficult,
matters.

That's all, cheers.
Aradenatorix.
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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 01:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).


As it happens, the difference has been discussed on the scribus mailing 
list, so I'm aware of it.  I thought you might find it interesting, 
especially as you find it useful to have precise positioning on a 
character by character basis at times.  If you don't find that useful or 
interesting, that's fine too.  After all, you're the one doing the work, 
not me.  Use whatever program you find fits your needs best.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 11:07 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
> > TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
> > when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
> > for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
> > that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.
> 
> You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
> considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
> sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
> that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
> That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
> more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
> haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
> happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
> that's important, isn't it?

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).

What I was really getting at is that TeX/LaTeX has a widely accepted
encoding for mathematical material, plus an extremely sophisticated
typesetting algorithm that makes it looks nice. No other tool even comes
close (GUI or not).

poc

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Tethys wrote:

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.


I'm not saying that Adobe can't do that, just that it doesn't by default 
and Scribus does.  And, who's to say that Adobe's wrong, as most people 
neither need nor want that much control.  I just thought you might be 
interested in knowing about it.

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Re: texlive

[José Matos]

On 03/07/2013 11:59 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> OK, THis is correct,
>
> but
>
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
>
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
>
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.
>
>
> and
>
> tex testfont.tex
> Name of the font to test =
> fourier
> kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source
> abbreviation  for fourier.
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
> mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;
> nonstopmode; input fourier
> This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)
>
>
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
> ! I can't find file `fourier'.

There are two possibilities:

a) you install all the texlive packages via texlive-scheme-full

b) in this case to satisfy this dependency it is enough

yum install 'tex(fourier.sty)'

this will work for every sty file via the virtual provides.

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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are
> considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe sets
> the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for that line.
> Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. That makes very
> precise positioning of specific elements possible, far more than in Adobe.

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[José Matos]

On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
>
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
>
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>
> Whould I finish the install manually?
>
> Thank.
>

texlive is an empty rpm that has lots of subpackages, this happens also
for other packages. Nothing new here. :-)

If you want to install all the texlive packages (not including the
documentation packages) you can install them with

yum install texlive-scheme-full

other schemes are

texlive-scheme-basic
texlive-scheme-context
texlive-scheme-gust
texlive-scheme-medium
texlive-scheme-minimal
texlive-scheme-small
texlive-scheme-tetex
texlive-scheme-xml

It works really well. :-)

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.


You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
that's important, isn't it?

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 10:47 AM, Tethys wrote:

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives.


OK, just asking.  I've run across any number of people across the years 
who learn one way of doing something and keep doing it that way long 
after there's a better way simply because it never occurs to them to 
look.  And, of course, taking an old project from TeX to Scribus would 
be a major PITA.  Still, you might want to give Scribus another look; 
it's a lot better now than it was five years ago.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 10:40 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:
> > TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
> > there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
> > critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> > in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> > problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
> > typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
> > version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.
> 
> There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
> migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
> I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
> professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is *All* You Get.

poc

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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind
> migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. I've
> had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are
> professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives. Framemaker would have been my first choice, but that
ceased to exist long ago. Scribus was my first port of call in the
FOSS world, being the closest I could get to that. Maybe it's improved
recently, but when I looked at it a few years ago, it was *terrible*.
Slow, *very* buggy and not well suited to my workflow. I tried various
other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.


There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:34:48 + Tethys  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
>  wrote:
> 
> > I installes texlive2012,
> > but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> > In additon, when I make,
> >
> > rpm -ql texlive
> > I get:
> > (contains no files)
> >
> > while:
> > rpm -q texlive
> > texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> >
> > Whould I finish the install manually?
> 
> TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
> there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
> critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
> in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
> problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
> typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
> version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Never used ConTeXt, but my experience, and I use LaTeX everyday
(sometimes every waking hour) is to the contrary. There are a lot of
sty files that have been broken up now, but that involves installing
the corresponding texlive-*.sty: a bit frustrating at times perhaps, but
this was supposed to happen as per the texlive-2012 proposal (and since
this is a one-time installation deal) not a big deal at all.

I do keep track of whatever I install so that in the future, if I
install texlive somewhere else, I just cut and paste a line and don't
miss the sty's. Currently, that line stands at:

sudo yum install
texlive-{subfigure,biblatex,bbm-macros,subfig,multirow,comment,relsize,arydshln,was,wrapfig,lastpage,endfloat,nonfloat,mathabx,mathabx-type1}

So, I am a pretty satisfied customer wrt LaTeX on Fedora.

Hopefully I am not speaking too soon!
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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
 wrote:

> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
>
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
>
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>
> Whould I finish the install manually?

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 12:59 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: 
> >>
> >> I installes texlive2012,
> >> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> >> In additon, when I make,
> >>
> >> rpm -ql texlive
> >> I get:
> >> (contains no files)
> >>
> >> while:
> >> rpm -q texlive
> >> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> >>
> >> Whould I finish the install manually?
> >
> > [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts
> >
> >  N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
> > 
>>[...trim replies, please!..] 
> >
> 
> OK, THis is correct,
> 
> but
> 
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
> 
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.
> 
> 
> and
> 
> tex testfont.tex
> Name of the font to test =
> fourier
> kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source  
> abbreviation  for fourier.
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
> mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;  
> nonstopmode; input fourier
> This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)
> 
> 
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
> ! I can't find file `fourier'.

$ sudo yum search fourier
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
updates/pkgtags  |  333 B 
00:00 
= N/S Matched: fourier 
=
gimp-fourier-plugin.x86_64 : A simple plug-in to do fourier transform 
on your
   : image
texlive-fourier-doc.noarch : Documentation for fourier
texlive-fouriernc.noarch : Use New Century Schoolbook text with Fourier 
maths
 : fonts
texlive-fouriernc-doc.noarch : Documentation for fouriernc
fftw.i686 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw.x86_64 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw2.i686 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
fftw2.x86_64 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
perl-Math-FFT.x86_64 : Perl module to calculate Fast Fourier Transforms
texlive-fourier.noarch : Using Utopia fonts in LaTeX documents


So 'yum install texlive-fourier'.

The TeXLive packaging system is set up so you don't have to install
everything if you don't need it. The groups within the TeXLive hierarchy
are called schemes.

$ sudo yum list tex\*scheme\*
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
texlive-scheme-basic.noarch 2:svn25923.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
@updates
Available Packages
texlive-scheme-context.noarch   2:svn26699.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-full.noarch  2:svn21417.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-gust.noarch  2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-medium.noarch2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-minimal.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-small.noarch 2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-tetex.noarch 2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-xml.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 


So if you want everything at once, install texlive-scheme-full.
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Re: texlive

[Reindl Harald]

Am 07.03.2013 12:59, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
> 
>>>
>>> I installes texlive2012,
>>> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
>>> In additon, when I make,
>>>
>>> rpm -ql texlive
>>> I get:
>>> (contains no files)
>>>
>>> while:
>>> rpm -q texlive
>>> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
>>>
>>> Whould I finish the install manually?
>>
>> [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts
>>
>>  N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
>> 
> 
> OK, THis is correct,

means?

> but
> 
> \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
> \usepackage{fourier}
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
> \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
> \end{document}
> 
> fails:
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.

and you have installed "texlive-fourier"?
why are you never able to provide infos without request them?

rpm -qa | grep texlive-fourier




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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

I installes texlive2012,
but apparently the fonts are not installed!
In additon, when I make,

rpm -ql texlive
I get:
(contains no files)

while:
rpm -q texlive
texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

Whould I finish the install manually?


[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with  
TeX/LaTeX support

texlive-bbm.noarch : "Blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for "blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum  
family of fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous  
old German fonts

texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian  
Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general  
usage and for philology

texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for  
context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various  
fonts for use in ConTeXt

texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual math fonts
texlive-fc.noarch : Fonts for African languages
texlive-

Re: texlive

[Reindl Harald]

Am 07.03.2013 12:32, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
> Hello,
> 
> I installes texlive2012,
> but apparently the fonts are not installed!
> In additon, when I make,
> 
> rpm -ql texlive
> I get:
> (contains no files)
> 
> while:
> rpm -q texlive
> texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
> 
> Whould I finish the install manually?

[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with TeX/LaTeX 
support
texlive-bbm.noarch : "Blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for "blackboard-style" cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum family of 
fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous old German 
fonts
texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general usage and 
for philology
texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various fonts for 
use in ConTeXt
texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual m

Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Frédéric Bron]

> FWIW, I got around the error you reported by doing the following 
> over-kill.
>
> yum install texlive*font*

Thanks.

In fact it comes with texlive-times.

In my real document, I also needed:
texlive-vmargin
texlive-fancyhdr
texlive-marvosym
texlive-helvetic
texlive-pst-tools
texlive-symbol
texlive-courier

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Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/19/2013 04:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Do you have texlive-texmf-fonts installed?

FWIW, I got around the error you reported by doing the following over-kill.

yum install texlive*font*

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Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/19/2013 04:05 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
> pslatex seems to come corrupted in F18. This simple document does not compile:
>
> \documentclass{article}
> %\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage{pslatex}
> \begin{document}
> abcde
> \end{document}
>
> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t
> ! I can't find file `ptmr7t'.
> <*> ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t
>
> Please type another input file name
> ! Emergency stop.
> <*> ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t
>
> I have submitted a bug report:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901394
>
> Does anyone know a work around? It seems that texlive packages have
> changed from F17 to F18.
>
> Frédéric

Do you have texlive-texmf-fonts installed?

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[E. Hakan Duran]

On 07/14/2012 08:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
... For the other problem with yum-update, I found that yum-removing 
texlive-preview and yum-installing tex-preview did the trick. I have 
also disabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as this is no longer 
required to meet a problem with the R-core package. As far as I can 
see, there has been a big change in the texlive setup under Fedora-17, 
with most of the texlive-* packages re-named tex-*. But it's been 
working perfectly for me, as has yum-update which I run every couple 
of days. 


Thanks a lot Timothy. Removing texlive-preview and installing 
tex-preview did the trick as you suggested.


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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Timothy Murphy]

hakova wrote:

>>> They are built on installation.  I think yum reinstall tex-\* texlive-\*
>>> will fix this.
>> 
>> Thanks very much.
>> That did indeed solve the problem.

> This did not solve my problem.
> #yum check-update still lists the same packages to update and
> #yum update still reports the very same problem.
> 
> Any other thoughts?

I think the problem I was talking about (as OP) was different to yours,
though I did have your problem earlier.
On this occasion, the problem arose when I tried to latex (or pdflatex)
a file, and I was told the .fmt file was not found.
Yum-reinstallation did solve this problem for me.

For the other problem with yum-update,
I found that yum-removing texlive-preview and yum-installing tex-preview
did the trick.
I have also disabled the fedora-updates-testing repo,
as this is no longer required to meet a problem with the R-core package.

As far as I can see, there has been a big change in the texlive setup
under Fedora-17, with most of the texlive-* packages re-named tex-*.
But it's been working perfectly for me, 
as has yum-update which I run every couple of days.


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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[hakova]

Timothy Murphy-5 wrote
> 
> ...
>> They are built on installation.  I think yum reinstall tex-\* texlive-\*
>> will fix this.
> 
> Thanks very much.
> That did indeed solve the problem.
> 

This did not solve my problem.
#yum check-update still lists the same packages to update and
#yum update still reports the very same problem.

Any other thoughts?

Hakan Duran

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Timothy Murphy]

Matthew Saltzman wrote:


>> --
>> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
>>  restricted \write18 enabled.
>> 
>> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt latex.fmt
>> I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!
>> [tim@blanche Problems]$ pdflatex Problems-08
>> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
>>  restricted \write18 enabled.
>> 
>> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
>> I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!
>> 
>> [tim@blanche Problems]$ sudo yum install tex-latex
>> Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
>> Package 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch already installed and latest
>> version Nothing to do
>> --

> They are built on installation.  I think yum reinstall tex-\* texlive-\*
> will fix this.

Thanks very much.
That did indeed solve the problem.

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:35 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: 
> Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> 
> > I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
> > tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
> > texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> That did the trick.
> 
> Unfortunately when I try to LaTeX (or pdfLaTeX) a file I get the error
> --
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
>  restricted \write18 enabled.
> 
> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt latex.fmt
> I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!
> [tim@blanche Problems]$ pdflatex Problems-08
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
>  restricted \write18 enabled.
> 
> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
> I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!
> 
> [tim@blanche Problems]$ sudo yum install tex-latex
> Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
> Package 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch already installed and latest version
> Nothing to do
> --
> 
> Should these .fmt files be part of the latest Fedora TeXlive distribution?
> 

They are built on installation.  I think yum reinstall tex-\* texlive-\*
will fix this.

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 19:04 -0400, Ranjan Maitra wrote: 
> How about for the following?
> 
> Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>Requires: texlive-latex
>Removing: texlive-latex-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>texlive-latex = 2007-70.fc17
>Obsoleted By: 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch (texlive)
>Not found
> Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>Requires: texlive-dvips
>Removing: texlive-dvips-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>texlive-dvips = 2007-70.fc17
>Obsoleted By: 1:tex-dvips-svn26765-1.noarch (texlive)
>Not found
> 
> Tried everything I could think of, nothing has worked so far

New R packages have just been pushed to F17 stable for this problem.

> 
> Ranjan
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:46:45 -0400 Matthew Saltzman 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 08:25 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: 
> > > I am running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
> > > and have been trying to update TeXlive.
> > > I've enabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as was suggested,
> > > but still get the error:
> > > -
> > > [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo yum update texlive*
> > > ...
> > > Error: Package: 1:texlive-preview-11.86.svn17118-1.noarch (@texlive)
> > >Requires: texlive-kpathsea
> > >Removing: 1:texlive-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (@texlive)
> > >texlive-kpathsea = 1:svn26691-1
> > >Obsoleted By: 1:tex-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (texlive)
> > >Not found
> > > -
> > > Any suggestions or enlightenment gratefully received.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
> > tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
> > texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Clemson University Math Sciences
> > mjs AT clemson DOT edu
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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Germán A. Racca]

On 07/10/2012 07:35 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Matthew Saltzman wrote:


I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.


Thanks for your response.
That did the trick.

Unfortunately when I try to LaTeX (or pdfLaTeX) a file I get the error
--
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
  restricted \write18 enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt latex.fmt
I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!
[tim@blanche Problems]$ pdflatex Problems-08
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
  restricted \write18 enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!

[tim@blanche Problems]$ sudo yum install tex-latex
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Package 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch already installed and latest version
Nothing to do
--

Should these .fmt files be part of the latest Fedora TeXlive distribution?


I solved this issue with "yum reinstall tex-*".

HTH,
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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Ranjan Maitra]

Sorry to answer my own post, but cleaning up the cache took care of
this problem.

Should have thought about that before sending it out!

Ranjan

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:04:35 -0500 Ranjan Maitra 
wrote:

> How about for the following?
> 
> Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>Requires: texlive-latex
>Removing: texlive-latex-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>texlive-latex = 2007-70.fc17
>Obsoleted By: 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch (texlive)
>Not found
> Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>Requires: texlive-dvips
>Removing: texlive-dvips-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
>texlive-dvips = 2007-70.fc17
>Obsoleted By: 1:tex-dvips-svn26765-1.noarch (texlive)
>Not found
> 
> Tried everything I could think of, nothing has worked so far
> 
> Ranjan
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:46:45 -0400 Matthew Saltzman 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 08:25 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: 
> > > I am running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
> > > and have been trying to update TeXlive.
> > > I've enabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as was suggested,
> > > but still get the error:
> > > -
> > > [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo yum update texlive*
> > > ...
> > > Error: Package: 1:texlive-preview-11.86.svn17118-1.noarch (@texlive)
> > >Requires: texlive-kpathsea
> > >Removing: 1:texlive-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (@texlive)
> > >texlive-kpathsea = 1:svn26691-1
> > >Obsoleted By: 1:tex-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (texlive)
> > >Not found
> > > -
> > > Any suggestions or enlightenment gratefully received.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
> > tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
> > texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.
> > 
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> > mjs AT clemson DOT edu
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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Ranjan Maitra]

How about for the following?

Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
   Requires: texlive-latex
   Removing: texlive-latex-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
   texlive-latex = 2007-70.fc17
   Obsoleted By: 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch (texlive)
   Not found
Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
   Requires: texlive-dvips
   Removing: texlive-dvips-2007-70.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora)
   texlive-dvips = 2007-70.fc17
   Obsoleted By: 1:tex-dvips-svn26765-1.noarch (texlive)
   Not found

Tried everything I could think of, nothing has worked so far

Ranjan



On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:46:45 -0400 Matthew Saltzman 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 08:25 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: 
> > I am running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
> > and have been trying to update TeXlive.
> > I've enabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as was suggested,
> > but still get the error:
> > -
> > [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo yum update texlive*
> > ...
> > Error: Package: 1:texlive-preview-11.86.svn17118-1.noarch (@texlive)
> >Requires: texlive-kpathsea
> >Removing: 1:texlive-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (@texlive)
> >texlive-kpathsea = 1:svn26691-1
> >Obsoleted By: 1:tex-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (texlive)
> >Not found
> > -
> > Any suggestions or enlightenment gratefully received.
> > 
> 
> I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
> tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
> texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.
> 
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> mjs AT clemson DOT edu
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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Timothy Murphy]

Matthew Saltzman wrote:

> I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
> tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
> texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.

Thanks for your response.
That did the trick.

Unfortunately when I try to LaTeX (or pdfLaTeX) a file I get the error
--
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
 restricted \write18 enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt latex.fmt
I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!
[tim@blanche Problems]$ pdflatex Problems-08
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
 restricted \write18 enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!

[tim@blanche Problems]$ sudo yum install tex-latex
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Package 1:tex-latex-svn23639-1.noarch already installed and latest version
Nothing to do
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Should these .fmt files be part of the latest Fedora TeXlive distribution?

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 08:25 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: 
> I am running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
> and have been trying to update TeXlive.
> I've enabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as was suggested,
> but still get the error:
> -
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo yum update texlive*
> ...
> Error: Package: 1:texlive-preview-11.86.svn17118-1.noarch (@texlive)
>Requires: texlive-kpathsea
>Removing: 1:texlive-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (@texlive)
>texlive-kpathsea = 1:svn26691-1
>Obsoleted By: 1:tex-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (texlive)
>Not found
> -
> Any suggestions or enlightenment gratefully received.
> 

I think the solution is to remove texlive-preview and install
tex-preview from the Fedora 17 repo.  The texlive repo no longer lists
texlive-preview or tex-preview as a package.

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Re: TeXlive 2012 problem

[Germán A. Racca]

On 07/10/2012 09:25 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

I am running Fedora-17/KDE on my laptop,
and have been trying to update TeXlive.
I've enabled the fedora-updates-testing repo, as was suggested,
but still get the error:
-
[tim@blanche ~]$ sudo yum update texlive*
...
Error: Package: 1:texlive-preview-11.86.svn17118-1.noarch (@texlive)
Requires: texlive-kpathsea
Removing: 1:texlive-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (@texlive)
texlive-kpathsea = 1:svn26691-1
Obsoleted By: 1:tex-kpathsea-svn26691-1.noarch (texlive)
Not found
-
Any suggestions or enlightenment gratefully received.


Hi Timothy:

I have F17 and texlive repo installed, but not updates-testing enabled. 
My TeXLive 2012 works fine, and I don't have any texlive-preview package 
in my repos:


$ yum --enablerepo=updates-testing search texlive-preview
Warning: No matches found for: texlive-preview
No Matches found

So where do your texlive-preview package comes from?

Maybe you should disable updates-testing repo, it's not a good thing to 
keep it enabled.


HTH,
Germán.

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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Mail Llists  wrote:

> From: Mail Llists 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 8:54 PM
> On 03/01/2010 04:49 PM, Berkin Malkoc
> wrote:
> > 
> > Bonjour Monsieur Patte,
> > 
> > I hope this is not a trivial answer.
> > 
> > To install latest TexLive (2009), I simply went to
> > http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html and
> after the
> > download, just followed the instructions which were
> pointed to on the
> > same page.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Berkin
> 
> 
>   One little issue - the only gui editor I saw was
> texmaker (are there
> others ?).
>
There is texworks, but it installs only on windows :(, I tried building it on 
Fedora 12, but it fails.  It is a simple editor, but IMHO kile and texmaker are 
better.  There are others, but YMMV.  
> 
>If you install the texmaker rpm from the
> texmaker website - then yum
> will want to update it - and then the fedora texmaker will
> want to
> install fedora texlive ...
> 
>   So if you use the rpm from texmaker - you'll need to
> exclude texmaker
> from yum.conf.
> 
>   Anyone got a better way - or a better editor ?
> -- 

You can build kile-2.0-b3 kile 2.0 beta 3 and build from source using cmake and 
instructions provided.

The same thing happened to me, and I had to exclude texmaker when updating.  

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: texlive 2009

[Mail Llists]

On 03/01/2010 04:49 PM, Berkin Malkoc wrote:
> 
> Bonjour Monsieur Patte,
> 
> I hope this is not a trivial answer.
> 
> To install latest TexLive (2009), I simply went to
> http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html and after the
> download, just followed the instructions which were pointed to on the
> same page.
> 
> Regards,
> Berkin


  One little issue - the only gui editor I saw was texmaker (are there
others ?).

   If you install the texmaker rpm from the texmaker website - then yum
will want to update it - and then the fedora texmaker will want to
install fedora texlive ...

  So if you use the rpm from texmaker - you'll need to exclude texmaker
from yum.conf.

  Anyone got a better way - or a better editor ?
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Re: texlive 2009

[Kevin Kofler]

Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> The packaging work has been going on for a while, but wasn't ready in
> time for F12.  It's targeted for inclusion in F13.

I doubt it's gonna make F13, we're well past feature freeze now and it's 
still not in. The literally thousands of review requests are going to take 
forever. :-(

Kevin Kofler

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Re: texlive 2009

[Kirk Lowery]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:03 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
>>
>> > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging effort for
>> > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
>> > information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository and install from
>> > there.
>>
>> It depends on how you define "better."
>>
>> Look at the goals of the TexLive 2009 Fedora packaging:
>>
>> "A better packaging scheme allows to reduce bandwidth and save
>> significant disc space. It also allows simpler maintenance of separate
>> TeX packages. "
>>
>> and
>>
>> "Users could use exactly the part of TeX they need without wasting disc 
>> space."
>>
>> I can see the advantage of Fedora packaging for (1) the casual TeX
>> user; (2) for packages that need a specific set of TeX dependencies.
>>
>> However, for the serious TeX user, the issues of bandwidth and disc
>> space are not relevant. For that user, one needs access to all of
>> TeXLive, and to be up to date. TeXLive now offers TeXLive manager
>> (tlmgr) and a GUI to tlmgr. With this, one can eliminate what packages
>> one doesn't want with much finer granularity than with the Fedora
>> packaging,
>
> This is a legitimate counter-position to mine.
>
>> and one doesn't have to wait for Fedora 13!
>
> This isn't.  There is a repo for texlive2009 packages for F12 linked
> from the features page I listed.  I'm using it now on F12, and it works
> fine.

Sorry. You are correct. What I was thinking about and should have said
was this: with tlmgr, one can keep up to date with a continuously
updated TeXLive repository. I update my TeXLive system daily. One
doesn't need to do that of course. Once a week or once a month works,
too. Of course, I also update my Fedora system daily. :-) [hmmm. If
the Fedora TeXLive-2009 rpms include tlmgr, then you should be able to
do the same thing, as long as the official directory hierarchy is
maintained, but I don't know what that would do to the integrity of
the TeX system when new rpms come out...]

One other advantage of a TeXLive system directly installed is if you
use TeX documents on more than one platform. I have a Fedora desktop
at work and a Mac laptop, and keep my TeX source files sync'ed between
them. It is *very* convenient to know that one's TeXLive system is
exactly the same on both. No need to worry about whether one or the
other platform has the needed TeX packages or not.

Kirk
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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, François Patte  wrote:

> From: François Patte 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:58 AM
> Matthew Saltzman 
> a écrit :
> 
> > On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 16:54 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote:
> >> 2010/3/1 François Patte :
> >> 
> >> > I would like to know if someone experienced
> to install texlive-2009 under
> >> > fedora.
> >> >
> >> > I am running fedora 10. On some computer I
> installed fedora 12, but in any
> >> > of these release texlive still remains with
> 2007 release.
> >> 
> >> I run TL 2009 on Fedora 12. I don't use the rpms.
> They split up
> >> TeXLive in ways that don't fit my needs. Besides,
> I like having
> >> everything available so I can experiment. Disk
> space shouldn't be an
> >> issue these days, especially not for a desktop.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, just download the installer:
> >> http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/install-tl-unx.tar.gz,
> >> unzip and run the script. Works great.
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps.
> > 
> > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging
> effort for
> > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> > information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository
> and install from
> > there.
> 
> I would agree with that but, I am not sure that, unless
> texlive-2009 will be a part of a fedora release, the
> installation will run smoothly because of the
> dependencies. I am running f10 on some machines and have no
> time to upgrade to f12 right now.
> 
> Moreover I am wondering why Texlive-2009 will install on
> f10 from CTAN distribution and why you need a lot of
> "strange" dependencies under fedora?
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 

Bonjour,

Why different dependencies?,  Because of packaging guidelines, Licensing issues 
and other details that developers and Fedora Commitees/Ambassadors/etc have 
come up with.  

Debian packages it and debian/ubuntu users have no complaints(that I know of), 
As far as I know only Slackware and FreeBSD have not included TeXLive, possibly 
because the packages are *very large* and not small like old TeTeX.  

The installation should run smoothly *if you have decent connection, not 
dialup*, and it JUST WORKS (TM), as I have tested it before when Fedora decided 
to package TeXlive for Fedora 9, so it should work as well.  

Not every package out there (in TeXLive) is included, but as Matthew mentions, 
packages *that are not there* can be installed via yum to make it easier.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: texlive 2009

[François Patte]

Matthew Saltzman  a écrit :


On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 16:54 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote:

2010/3/1 François Patte :

> I would like to know if someone experienced to install texlive-2009 under
> fedora.
>
> I am running fedora 10. On some computer I installed fedora 12, but in any
> of these release texlive still remains with 2007 release.

I run TL 2009 on Fedora 12. I don't use the rpms. They split up
TeXLive in ways that don't fit my needs. Besides, I like having
everything available so I can experiment. Disk space shouldn't be an
issue these days, especially not for a desktop.

Anyway, just download the installer:
http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/install-tl-unx.tar.gz,
unzip and run the script. Works great.

Hope this helps.


A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging effort for
TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository and install from
there.


I would agree with that but, I am not sure that, unless texlive-2009  
will be a part of a fedora release, the installation will run  
smoothly because of the dependencies. I am running f10 on some  
machines and have no time to upgrade to f12 right now.


Moreover I am wondering why Texlive-2009 will install on f10 from CTAN  
distribution and why you need a lot of "strange" dependencies under  
fedora?



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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:

> From: Matthew Saltzman 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:15 AM
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:03 -0500,
> Kirk Lowery wrote: 
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Matthew Saltzman
> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging
> effort for
> > > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> > > information on how to add the TeXLive2009
> repository and install from
> > > there.
> > 
> > It depends on how you define "better."
> > 
> > Look at the goals of the TexLive 2009 Fedora
> packaging:
> > 
> > "A better packaging scheme allows to reduce bandwidth
> and save
> > significant disc space. It also allows simpler
> maintenance of separate
> > TeX packages. "
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > "Users could use exactly the part of TeX they need
> without wasting disc space."
> > 
> > I can see the advantage of Fedora packaging for (1)
> the casual TeX
> > user; (2) for packages that need a specific set of TeX
> dependencies.
> > 
> > However, for the serious TeX user, the issues of
> bandwidth and disc
> > space are not relevant. For that user, one needs
> access to all of
> > TeXLive, and to be up to date. TeXLive now offers
> TeXLive manager
> > (tlmgr) and a GUI to tlmgr. With this, one can
> eliminate what packages
> > one doesn't want with much finer granularity than with
> the Fedora
> > packaging, 
> 
> This is a legitimate counter-position to mine.
> 
> > and one doesn't have to wait for Fedora 13!
> 
> This isn't.  There is a repo for texlive2009 packages
> for F12 linked
> from the features page I listed.  I'm using it now on
> F12, and it works
> fine.  
> 
> Installing the base package pulls in a pretty functional
> system.  I've
> had to add about a half-dozen or so RPMs over time, as I've
> tried to use
> some of the more specialized packages, but that's about
> it.
> 
> Now what would be really cool is something that would catch
> when you
> tried to pull a package that you don't have and offer to
> run yum to get
> it for you.  Kind of like the thing (I can't find its
> name just now)
> that offers to yum install a package if you enter a missing
> command.
> 
> > 
> > Kirk
> > 
> 
> -- 
>

While the ideas are great, but I have to agree with Kirk.  I am dissapointed in 
that Fedora used to include texlive in the original DVD for both i386 and 
x86_64 and now they don't.  As a home user and with dialup, despite the efforts 
Fedora is making with packaging, it is sadly not the same as Kirk mentions.  I 
installed TeXlive 2009 at home via the iso.  I downloaded the iso.xz and 
extracted it and burned the cd and installed it. No problems to report.  There 
was the path issue, but some kind folks helped me resolve that.  The decision 
to not include TeXLive on the DVD media is the one that I don't agree with, but 
there again there is not much I can do :(, would have been happy running 
texlive 2007 on it, but why not get the latest and greatest one available.  

I run rawhide and TeXLive 2009 is not even there yet :(

[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release 
Fedora release 14 (Rawhide)
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ uname -a
Linux n6355-5067 2.6.34-0.4.rc0.git2.fc14.i686 #1 SMP Fri Feb 26 17:10:39 UTC 
2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ rpm -qa texlive*
texlive-texmf-errata-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-texmf-errata-fonts-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-dvips-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-dvips-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-texmf-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-latex-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-errata-latex-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-texmf-latex-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-fonts-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-utils-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-errata-dvips-2007-7.fc12.noarch
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ 


They are not pushing it, This is not like Fedora 8 preFedora 9 where we 
installed it on our own to help testing, is it?

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: texlive 2009

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:03 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote: 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> 
> > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging effort for
> > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> > information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository and install from
> > there.
> 
> It depends on how you define "better."
> 
> Look at the goals of the TexLive 2009 Fedora packaging:
> 
> "A better packaging scheme allows to reduce bandwidth and save
> significant disc space. It also allows simpler maintenance of separate
> TeX packages. "
> 
> and
> 
> "Users could use exactly the part of TeX they need without wasting disc 
> space."
> 
> I can see the advantage of Fedora packaging for (1) the casual TeX
> user; (2) for packages that need a specific set of TeX dependencies.
> 
> However, for the serious TeX user, the issues of bandwidth and disc
> space are not relevant. For that user, one needs access to all of
> TeXLive, and to be up to date. TeXLive now offers TeXLive manager
> (tlmgr) and a GUI to tlmgr. With this, one can eliminate what packages
> one doesn't want with much finer granularity than with the Fedora
> packaging, 

This is a legitimate counter-position to mine.

> and one doesn't have to wait for Fedora 13!

This isn't.  There is a repo for texlive2009 packages for F12 linked
from the features page I listed.  I'm using it now on F12, and it works
fine.  

Installing the base package pulls in a pretty functional system.  I've
had to add about a half-dozen or so RPMs over time, as I've tried to use
some of the more specialized packages, but that's about it.

Now what would be really cool is something that would catch when you
tried to pull a package that you don't have and offer to run yum to get
it for you.  Kind of like the thing (I can't find its name just now)
that offers to yum install a package if you enter a missing command.

> 
> Kirk
> 

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Re: texlive 2009

[Kirk Lowery]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:

> A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging effort for
> TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository and install from
> there.

It depends on how you define "better."

Look at the goals of the TexLive 2009 Fedora packaging:

"A better packaging scheme allows to reduce bandwidth and save
significant disc space. It also allows simpler maintenance of separate
TeX packages. "

and

"Users could use exactly the part of TeX they need without wasting disc space."

I can see the advantage of Fedora packaging for (1) the casual TeX
user; (2) for packages that need a specific set of TeX dependencies.

However, for the serious TeX user, the issues of bandwidth and disc
space are not relevant. For that user, one needs access to all of
TeXLive, and to be up to date. TeXLive now offers TeXLive manager
(tlmgr) and a GUI to tlmgr. With this, one can eliminate what packages
one doesn't want with much finer granularity than with the Fedora
packaging, and one doesn't have to wait for Fedora 13!

Kirk
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Re: texlive 2009

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 16:54 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote: 
> 2010/3/1 François Patte :
> 
> > I would like to know if someone experienced to install texlive-2009 under
> > fedora.
> >
> > I am running fedora 10. On some computer I installed fedora 12, but in any
> > of these release texlive still remains with 2007 release.
> 
> I run TL 2009 on Fedora 12. I don't use the rpms. They split up
> TeXLive in ways that don't fit my needs. Besides, I like having
> everything available so I can experiment. Disk space shouldn't be an
> issue these days, especially not for a desktop.
> 
> Anyway, just download the installer:
> http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/install-tl-unx.tar.gz,
> unzip and run the script. Works great.
> 
> Hope this helps.

A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging effort for
TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository and install from
there.

The packaging work has been going on for a while, but wasn't ready in
time for F12.  It's targeted for inclusion in F13.

I've made the switch, and these days it seems to work pretty seamlessly.

> 
> Kirk
> 

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Re: texlive 2009

[Kirk Lowery]

2010/3/1 François Patte :

> I would like to know if someone experienced to install texlive-2009 under
> fedora.
>
> I am running fedora 10. On some computer I installed fedora 12, but in any
> of these release texlive still remains with 2007 release.

I run TL 2009 on Fedora 12. I don't use the rpms. They split up
TeXLive in ways that don't fit my needs. Besides, I like having
everything available so I can experiment. Disk space shouldn't be an
issue these days, especially not for a desktop.

Anyway, just download the installer:
http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/install-tl-unx.tar.gz,
unzip and run the script. Works great.

Hope this helps.

Kirk
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Re: texlive 2009

[Berkin Malkoc]

Bonjour Monsieur Patte,

I hope this is not a trivial answer.

To install latest TexLive (2009), I simply went to
http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html and after the download,
just followed the instructions which were pointed to on the same page.

Regards,
Berkin



2010/3/1 François Patte 

>
> Bonjour,
>
> I would like to know if someone experienced to install texlive-2009 under
> fedora.
>
> I am running fedora 10. On some computer I installed fedora 12, but in any
> of these release texlive still remains with 2007 release.
>
>
> Is there a way to upgrade texlive under fedora 10 or 12.
>
> Thank you.
>
> BTW. Why texlive 2009 has not been included in f12?
>
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