Re: printer and Fedora support. [CLOSED]

[home user via users]

Xerox: That's what my now-dead all-in-one was.  Print quality was merely 
good for black text on white background, poor for white text and black 
background, and terrible for color.  The drivers were in the Xerox web 
site, but support beyond that?  Forget it.


Okidata: you're correct: expensive.  Definitely over my budget.

Brother: I wanted more info than what was in the web site.  The web site 
didn't work well.  I couldn't find a number to call.  I tried the chat. 
In several minutes, I advanced to #1 in the queue.  Then a minute or two 
later, I dropped down to #2, and stayed there for a while before being 
restored to #1. Then I waited over a hour, and then gave up.


HP: I chose the color laser jet pro mfp m180nw.  I would have preferred 
an M281 FDW (it has auto duplex), but that was over my budget.


It's arrived, but so far I can't get things set up correctly.  I'll 
start a new thread for that.


I thank everyone for their inputs.  This thread is closed.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Todd Chester]

On 04/25/2018 06:41 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 04/25/2018 03:13 PM, home user via users wrote:

Good inputs everyone.  Thank-you.

I anticipated Brother would be one recommended company.  HP was slightly 
surprising.  Brother does offer LED printers and multi-functions.  I have not 
yet found any LED printers from HP.  Does HP make LED color printers and 
multi-functions?

The only connection I'll want between workstation and printer is via USB cable. 
 No network.

An HP laser desktop for 50-100?  Is that color, and is it multi-function?

My experience with support matches that of ToddAndMargo.

After doing back-ups this evening and upgrading to Fedora-27 tomorrow, I'll 
start searching Brother and HP.  I hope their searches are smarter than the job 
search in this state's job search site, and that I can find what I want without 
busting my budget too severely.


Don't forget to look at Xerox. One is the WorkCentre 6027. It's LED,
claims 1200 x 2400 dpi and their website has Linux drivers. I have no
experience with it, but it may fit the bill for you.


Okidata sells LED printers, but they are expensive.  On the
other hand, they never break.  Extraordinary tech support too.
(Disclaimer: I sell Okidata.)
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/25/2018 03:13 PM, home user via users wrote:
> Good inputs everyone.  Thank-you.
> 
> I anticipated Brother would be one recommended company.  HP was slightly 
> surprising.  Brother does offer LED printers and multi-functions.  I have not 
> yet found any LED printers from HP.  Does HP make LED color printers and 
> multi-functions?
> 
> The only connection I'll want between workstation and printer is via USB 
> cable.  No network.
> 
> An HP laser desktop for 50-100?  Is that color, and is it multi-function?
> 
> My experience with support matches that of ToddAndMargo.
> 
> After doing back-ups this evening and upgrading to Fedora-27 tomorrow, I'll 
> start searching Brother and HP.  I hope their searches are smarter than the 
> job search in this state's job search site, and that I can find what I want 
> without busting my budget too severely.

Don't forget to look at Xerox. One is the WorkCentre 6027. It's LED,
claims 1200 x 2400 dpi and their website has Linux drivers. I have no
experience with it, but it may fit the bill for you.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:13:27 -
home user via users wrote:

> After doing back-ups this evening and upgrading to Fedora-27 tomorrow

Fedora 28 is being released next week, might want to go with it :-).
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[home user via users]

Good inputs everyone.  Thank-you.

I anticipated Brother would be one recommended company.  HP was slightly 
surprising.  Brother does offer LED printers and multi-functions.  I have not 
yet found any LED printers from HP.  Does HP make LED color printers and 
multi-functions?

The only connection I'll want between workstation and printer is via USB cable. 
 No network.

An HP laser desktop for 50-100?  Is that color, and is it multi-function?

My experience with support matches that of ToddAndMargo.

After doing back-ups this evening and upgrading to Fedora-27 tomorrow, I'll 
start searching Brother and HP.  I hope their searches are smarter than the job 
search in this state's job search site, and that I can find what I want without 
busting my budget too severely.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 04/24/2018 10:53 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:16:31 -0700
ToddAndMargo wrote:


For scanning, check out SANE's (Common Unix Scanning System
[cuss]) list of supported scanners:
   http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html


I hope it is better now. The last time I was trying to find
a working scanner I went through the entire list of "fully"
supported devices and none of them were being sold any longer :-(.


If you ask the guys over on

   sane-devel 

there are some testing lists of devices.

I always despise those "supported devices" lists.  They
are never current and get used as an excuse for you stuff
not working.  "It is not supported" versus "they are
no longer made".  Me thinks it is on purpose at times
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[fred roller]

>
> [snip]
>
> One thing,, if you go with a Brother multifunction unit, be sure to
> download the driver insstaller, NOT the individual driver files. You
> may have to dig around to find the right file, but it exists and
> works once you find it.
>

If the printer has an installation disk my experience has been that the
more Linux friendly like HP or Brother will usually have a Linux install
directory on the disk.  While the disk will not auto load and install a
read me file will normally have the instructions with the needed files for
that particular model; and, in some cases troubleshooting.  Worth a look,
esp if the Penguin is on the box.  Caveat, it has been awhile since I dealt
with one.

-- Fred
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 07:16:31AM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 10:28 AM, home user via users wrote:
> >I'm having to replace my 5-year old  desktop printer.  Like any good 
> >project, I start with requirements!
> >1. desktop printer.
> >2. the manufacturer provides real support for the printer running on Fedora 
> >as well as windows-7.
> >3. has printing, scanning, and copying.
> >4. color and black-and-white, colors are correct when printing from Fedora 
> >as well as when from windows-7.
> >5. at least 600 dpi.
> >6. USB cable connection (not ethernet or wi-fi) between printer and 
> >workstation's tower.
> >7. either laser or LED, not ink-jet (I'm in a very low-humidity climate).
> >I am especially concerned with requirement #1, and that's why I'm asking 
> >this list.  What fulfils all the above requirements?
> >
> >Support needs to be more than simply providing a driver for me to download.  
> >The at least 600 DPI has to be real, not merely "effective", "simulated", 
> >etc.  My now dead printer, a Xerox Workcentre 6015, claimed either 1200x1200 
> >or 1200x2400 resolution, but I only got 600 real dots per inch, both in 
> >windows-7 and in Fedora.  When printing from Fedora, colors were not even 
> >close, but were ok when printing from windows-7.
> >
> >Which is better overall: laser or LED?
> >
> >Thank-you for your advice.
> >Bill.
> 
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> For printing support, if the manufacturer doesn't support
> Linux, check for a supporting ppd file at CUPS (Common
> Unix Printing System) ppd's website:
>  http://openprinting.org/printers
> 
> For scanning, check out SANE's (Common Unix Scanning System
> [cuss]) list of supported scanners:
>  http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html
> 
> To configure saned for network printing, I wrote a How To
> which Qoppa (PDF Studio) published for me:
> 
> https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/ho
w-to-set-up-your-scanner-to-work-with-sane-and-pdf-studio-under-fedora-27-linuxs-systemd/
> 
> My three favorite scanning tools are Simple Scan, xsane, and
> PDF Studio.
> 
> HTH,
> -T

For what it's worth to you, Brother printers work really well on Linux.
I've got a Brother DCP7065DN at home, and having installed the Brother
drivers on my Centos-7 box, I can print or scan easily.

I admit, I have it connected to the network because its much easier than
dealing with sharing on both the host and clients, but I expect you could
so a USB onnection and share it if other systems need it.

like the poster above, I find that simplescan works, as well as the
scanner app in Sane (xsane).

One thing,, if you go with a Brother multifunction unit, be sure to
download the driver insstaller, NOT the individual driver files. You
may have to dig around to find the right file, but it exists and 
works once you find it.

good luck!

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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Eddie O'Connor]

I have always found HP support to he better than other manufacturers. Their
drivers are availablethey seem to have no problems when it come to
multi-function, and their colors are as close as can be to perfect. But
YMMV

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 1:53 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:16:31 -0700
> ToddAndMargo wrote:
>
> > For scanning, check out SANE's (Common Unix Scanning System
> > [cuss]) list of supported scanners:
> >   http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html
>
> I hope it is better now. The last time I was trying to find
> a working scanner I went through the entire list of "fully"
> supported devices and none of them were being sold any longer :-(.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:16:31 -0700
ToddAndMargo wrote:

> For scanning, check out SANE's (Common Unix Scanning System
> [cuss]) list of supported scanners:
>   http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html

I hope it is better now. The last time I was trying to find
a working scanner I went through the entire list of "fully"
supported devices and none of them were being sold any longer :-(.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Greg Woods]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

>
>
> The HP all-in-one devices used to be pretty good about linux
> support, but I don't know if that is true any longer. The hplip
> package provided the support.


This isn't any help for the OP who specified that he didn't want an inkjet
or networked printer, but my relatively new HP-6968 all-in-one works quite
well for printing, scanning  and faxing with the stock hplip driver.  I
can't say that I've done careful checks to ensure that the colors match
exactly, but I have checked to see that the photos printed from a Windows
10 system look identical to those from my Fedora system.

--Greg
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 04/23/2018 10:28 AM, home user via users wrote:

I'm having to replace my 5-year old  desktop printer.  Like any good project, I 
start with requirements!
1. desktop printer.
2. the manufacturer provides real support for the printer running on Fedora as 
well as windows-7.
3. has printing, scanning, and copying.
4. color and black-and-white, colors are correct when printing from Fedora as 
well as when from windows-7.
5. at least 600 dpi.
6. USB cable connection (not ethernet or wi-fi) between printer and 
workstation's tower.
7. either laser or LED, not ink-jet (I'm in a very low-humidity climate).
I am especially concerned with requirement #1, and that's why I'm asking this 
list.  What fulfils all the above requirements?

Support needs to be more than simply providing a driver for me to download.  The at least 600 DPI 
has to be real, not merely "effective", "simulated", etc.  My now dead printer, 
a Xerox Workcentre 6015, claimed either 1200x1200 or 1200x2400 resolution, but I only got 600 real 
dots per inch, both in windows-7 and in Fedora.  When printing from Fedora, colors were not even 
close, but were ok when printing from windows-7.

Which is better overall: laser or LED?

Thank-you for your advice.
Bill.



Hi Bill,

For printing support, if the manufacturer doesn't support
Linux, check for a supporting ppd file at CUPS (Common
Unix Printing System) ppd's website:
 http://openprinting.org/printers

For scanning, check out SANE's (Common Unix Scanning System
[cuss]) list of supported scanners:
 http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html

To configure saned for network printing, I wrote a How To
which Qoppa (PDF Studio) published for me:

https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/how-to-set-up-your-scanner-to-work-with-sane-and-pdf-studio-under-fedora-27-linuxs-systemd/

My three favorite scanning tools are Simple Scan, xsane, and
PDF Studio.

HTH,
-T



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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Doug H.]

On Mon, 2018-04-23 at 14:45 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 17:28:04 -
> home user via users wrote:
> 
> > 3. has printing, scanning, and copying.
> 
> Good luck getting scanning to work. It may not be impossible, but
> the available info on what scanners can work with linux is
> microscopic.
> (I gave up and use a networked device and do my scanning from a
> windows virtual machine).
> 
> The HP all-in-one devices used to be pretty good about linux
> support, but I don't know if that is true any longer. The hplip
> package provided the support.

Interesting. I did not realize that was not something that was not
commonly working now. My Epson Artisan 730 works very well for
scanning. I don't remember going thru that much trouble getting it
working but maybe I blocked out the trauma. Not helpful for the
original question tho, since it is an ink jet. For scanning I use
"iscan" which is for Epson only it seems.

-- 
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/23/2018 11:26 AM, fred roller wrote:
> I have always had good luck with the HP family of printers.  A decent
> laser desktop will set you back $50- $100.  They have models you can
> spec out to your requirements.  Installation has usually been straight
> forward and I believe color profiles are available for specific programs
> such as GIMP.  Good luck on your hunt.

I use a Brother 3170CDW laser at home for printing (600x2400 max.).
I've never checked the actual dot levels, but the driver they provide
seems to work fine and does let you set the resolution. I use a Canon
Iriscan for a scanner, but my requirements at home aren't huge.

At the office, we use a plethora of different devices. The most common
are HP 8600 printer/scanner devices (inkjet) and a few HP M177fws (color
lasers). The scanners work fine using HPLIP and XSane. Not sure about
the connectivity they offer...we have them on the network.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 17:28:04 -
home user via users wrote:

> 3. has printing, scanning, and copying.

Good luck getting scanning to work. It may not be impossible, but
the available info on what scanners can work with linux is microscopic.
(I gave up and use a networked device and do my scanning from a
windows virtual machine).

The HP all-in-one devices used to be pretty good about linux
support, but I don't know if that is true any longer. The hplip
package provided the support.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[fred roller]

I have always had good luck with the HP family of printers.  A decent laser
desktop will set you back $50- $100.  They have models you can spec out to
your requirements.  Installation has usually been straight forward and I
believe color profiles are available for specific programs such as GIMP.
Good luck on your hunt.
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Re: printer and Fedora support.

[home user via users]

Correction:
I come to this list mainly for advice relating to requirement #'s 2 (Fedora 
support) and 4 (color), not requirement #1.
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printer and Fedora support.

[home user via users]

I'm having to replace my 5-year old  desktop printer.  Like any good project, I 
start with requirements!
1. desktop printer.
2. the manufacturer provides real support for the printer running on Fedora as 
well as windows-7.
3. has printing, scanning, and copying.
4. color and black-and-white, colors are correct when printing from Fedora as 
well as when from windows-7.
5. at least 600 dpi.
6. USB cable connection (not ethernet or wi-fi) between printer and 
workstation's tower.
7. either laser or LED, not ink-jet (I'm in a very low-humidity climate).
I am especially concerned with requirement #1, and that's why I'm asking this 
list.  What fulfils all the above requirements?

Support needs to be more than simply providing a driver for me to download.  
The at least 600 DPI has to be real, not merely "effective", "simulated", etc.  
My now dead printer, a Xerox Workcentre 6015, claimed either 1200x1200 or 
1200x2400 resolution, but I only got 600 real dots per inch, both in windows-7 
and in Fedora.  When printing from Fedora, colors were not even close, but were 
ok when printing from windows-7.

Which is better overall: laser or LED?

Thank-you for your advice.
Bill.
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