Re: Writer

[johnny smith]

On Fri, 23 May 2014 19:18:35 -, Schmidt, Louise  
wrote:


I now use MS Word 2007.  I use the "Lock" ICON to lock a certain section in my 
Word document.  What do I use in Open Office writer to lock and unlock a form that was 
created in Word?


when you create a section, you may tick the options 'protect' or 'protect with 
password'. on the other hand, you may specify that it be editable even in a 
document opened read-only. after the section has been created, the settings are 
still editable through the 'format -> sections' dialogue.

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Re: Reveal Codes Query - or Re: Suggestion.

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

yes, voting is how you officially indicate your interest

On 05/23/2014 03:39 AM, Helen wrote:

I'd love the reveal codes feature -- didn't know there was a vote until I
ran across this.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <
and...@pitonyak.org> wrote:


On 05/19/2014 06:11 AM, japples wrote:


So far, this conversation boils down to:  use only styles which requires
casual users to travel the steep learning curve to enable their use and
possibility of creating conflicts with other style rules or show
consideration to the casual user and provide a reveal code feature which is
cleaner / more direct and does not have potential of creating conflicts.


That is the preferred way of using the product, but it does not negate the
need for the feature. It does, however, possibly make it more difficult to
implement. I think that the real problem is that it requires a
knowledgeable person (as in someone who would be able to code the solution)
to care enough to choose to do it. This is, after all, community developed
software. So, the trick is to convince a particular person to spend time /
energy on that particular feature. In this case, it means that the feature
must be first designed, since a design does not exist, and, the general
usage pattern is sufficiently different, that it is not obvious to me that
saying "copy from WP" is sufficient.

Finding someone that cares enough to actually implement really is the
hardest part. The product has many users, but, I only see 25 people on the
CC list for the enhancement request and only 201 votes for implementation.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3395

So, if one talented person cares enough to do it, it will happen.
Otherwise, I suppose that sufficient people need to vote for the feature.
WIth as many users as exist, only finding 201 people who want it enough to
put one of their "votes" towards it in over 10 years feels a little
spartan. Perhaps the problem is that the people that want it do not know
that they can vote for it. I will admit, however, that I don't have a
handle on how many votes it would require to push it up the list, and I
lack the time right now to check to see where it stands relative to other
requests. I do see that most people that voted put two of their votes
towards it.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/page.cgi?id=voting/bug.html&bug_id=3395



Compared to using wysiwyg web page creator without ability to view code.
  Styles does nothing to correct skewed page; however, viewing the codes is
a very helpful tool.

Jack


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Writer

[Schmidt, Louise]

I now use MS Word 2007.  I use the "Lock" ICON to lock a certain section in my 
Word document.  What do I use in Open Office writer to lock and unlock a form 
that was created in Word?

Louise Schmidt, OSAS
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Re: Suggestion.

[Doug]

On 05/23/2014 08:43 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2014-05-23, 3:43 PM japples wrote:


/snip/

There is a huge difference between showing non-printing characters and 
showing formatting codes. Saying AOO shows non-printing characters is 
similar to WP reveal codes is ridiculous.


Now tell me again how there are no similarities (include examples 
other than ones I have given above).  The OO's limited source has 
been the topic for requesting to expand.  The ability to edit is 
there just not in a separate window as WP.  I don't know if OO has 
the ability to edit a text box but someone with more time and energy 
could respond. 


Using reveal non-printing charters in AOO does not show any formatting 
codes.  The purpose of WP reveal codes is to change the documents 
formatting (font size and type, bold, italic, underline, superscript, 
etc).  There is no similarity to AOO.


I must respectfully disagree. All of the formatting in WP is modifiable 
from the menus at the top of the page, and simple format changes, like 
bold, italic, underline
are available from the keyboard in the same fashion that is found in 
virtually all modern word processors or text writers. Font and font size 
are also modifiable from
the heading structure. (What are those top lines, which occur in just 
about all GUI programs, including Firefox and Thunderbird, called, 
anyway?) Real format tricks,

like small caps can be found in the pull-down menus.

I have found the Reveal Codes feature to be most useful in finding 
oddball things that may have come in with an imported file, and to debug 
minor mishaps that are
not obvious from just looking at the text. One use of Reveal Codes will 
tell you whether a tab or a set of spaces is used in a text. Also, to 
spot double spaces, if you don't
just do a find/replace to get rid of them. I think this kind of use 
could be done in OO or LO just as well.


--doug

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Re: Suggestion.

[Greg Madden]

On Friday 23 May 2014 13:43:21 you wrote:
> Larry, I understand your words.  For now, this is the closest OO has
> to WP reveal codes.
>
> Look closely and you will see some of the codes shown with OO are
> also shown in WP reveal codes window.  Point being, you don't have to
> have a separate window to view / edit codes.
>
> One other point, WP Reveal Codes are non-printable.  WP uses " <> "
> for space and OO uses "."; WP uses "HRT" for hard return and OO uses
> the old symbol (pre computer) for a new paragraph.
>
> Now tell me again how there are no similarities (include examples
> other than ones I have given above).  The OO's limited source has
> been the topic for requesting to expand.  The ability to edit is
> there just not in a separate window as WP.  I don't know if OO has
> the ability to edit a text box but someone with more time and energy
> could respond.
>
> Jack
>
> Larry Gusaas wrote:
> > On 2014-05-23, 9:07 AM japples wrote:
> >> I do apologize for not being more clear about where I found the
> >> "codes" OO has that are similar to the WP codes.
> >> Open OO Writer, find the icon that looks similar to the manual
> >> (before computer) editing symbol for new paragraph.  Click on it
> >> to expose the codes or simply ctrl+F10.
> >
> > ctrl+F10 shows Non-Printing Charactors. That is not comparable to
> > WP's reveal codes.

butinski...

Ive read this thread, and for the context of "Reveal Codes " most folks 
are 'not' talking aboout the small subset of features supplied by 
AOO's 'non-printing characters', not even obtusley, imho.

quote Larry
" That is not comparable to  WP's reveal codes."

Quote Japples:
"Now tell me again how there are no similarities"

Big difference between "no" and "comparable"

I currently have a vm of WP8 in a NT4 image. Love it, more for nostalgia 
than production.
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Re: Suggestion.

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2014-05-23, 3:43 PM japples wrote:

Larry, I understand your words.  For now, this is the closest OO has to WP 
reveal codes.
Look closely and you will see some of the codes shown with OO are also shown in WP reveal 
codes window.  Point being, you don't have to have a separate window to view / edit codes.


One other point, WP Reveal Codes are non-printable.  WP uses " <> " for space and OO uses 
"."; WP uses "HRT" for hard return and OO uses the old symbol (pre computer) for a new 
paragraph.


There is a huge difference between showing non-printing characters and showing formatting 
codes. Saying AOO shows non-printing characters is similar to WP reveal codes is ridiculous.


Now tell me again how there are no similarities (include examples other than ones I have 
given above).  The OO's limited source has been the topic for requesting to expand.  The 
ability to edit is there just not in a separate window as WP.  I don't know if OO has the 
ability to edit a text box but someone with more time and energy could respond. 


Using reveal non-printing charters in AOO does not show any formatting codes.  The purpose of 
WP reveal codes is to change the documents formatting (font size and type, bold, italic, 
underline, superscript, etc).  There is no similarity to AOO.


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Re: Suggestion.

[Doug]

On 05/23/2014 05:43 PM, japples wrote:
Larry, I understand your words.  For now, this is the closest OO has 
to WP reveal codes.
Look closely and you will see some of the codes shown with OO are also 
shown in WP reveal codes window.  Point being, you don't have to have 
a separate window to view / edit codes.


One other point, WP Reveal Codes are non-printable.  WP uses " <> " 
for space and OO uses "."; WP uses "HRT" for hard return and OO uses 
the old symbol (pre computer) for a new paragraph.

The name of the  ¶  sign is "pilcrow."

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Re: Suggestion.

[japples]

Larry, I understand your words.  For now, this is the closest OO has to 
WP reveal codes. 

Look closely and you will see some of the codes shown with OO are also 
shown in WP reveal codes window.  Point being, you don't have to have a 
separate window to view / edit codes.


One other point, WP Reveal Codes are non-printable.  WP uses " <> " for 
space and OO uses "."; WP uses "HRT" for hard return and OO uses the old 
symbol (pre computer) for a new paragraph.


Now tell me again how there are no similarities (include examples other 
than ones I have given above).  The OO's limited source has been the 
topic for requesting to expand.  The ability to edit is there just not 
in a separate window as WP.  I don't know if OO has the ability to edit 
a text box but someone with more time and energy could respond.


Jack


Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2014-05-23, 9:07 AM japples wrote:
I do apologize for not being more clear about where I found the 
"codes" OO has that are similar to the WP codes.
Open OO Writer, find the icon that looks similar to the manual 
(before computer) editing symbol for new paragraph.  Click on it to 
expose the codes or simply ctrl+F10. 


ctrl+F10 shows Non-Printing Charactors. That is not comparable to WP's 
reveal codes.

Re: Suggestion.

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2014-05-23, 9:07 AM japples wrote:
I do apologize for not being more clear about where I found the "codes" OO has that are 
similar to the WP codes.
Open OO Writer, find the icon that looks similar to the manual (before computer) editing 
symbol for new paragraph.  Click on it to expose the codes or simply ctrl+F10. 


ctrl+F10 shows Non-Printing Charactors. That is not comparable to WP's reveal 
codes.

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Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
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Re: WORD COUNTER

[Alexandro Colorado]

Also shouldnt be hard to include in the core of AOO, just edit the UI
default menu calling the function that does the process.

Example here:
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/WriterCommands.xcu#1668
and the code here:
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/sw/source/ui/dialog/wordcountdialog.cxx
The question is how and why do we do this this way and if those points are
still valid.

It does make sense to have it on Properties and Tools. Having them on the
taskbar seems out of place. Just cuz MSO does it, is not a good excuse.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM, John Meyer
wrote:

> I'll have to bookmark that for later.
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Jennifer,
> >
> > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 04:00:19PM +, Mayers, Jennifer A. wrote:
> > >
> > > We noticed that there does not seem to be a word counter.  This is
> > > required for essays and some research papers my son is doing, so we do
> > > not want to download this program in unless it has the word counter.
> > > Could you let us know about this?
> >
> > You can try this extension
> >
> >
> http://aoo-ui-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/git/downloads/WordCountStatusbarController-0.0.1-windows-x86.oxt
> > It adds a word counter on the status bar.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
> > La Plata, Argentina
> >
>



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Re: WORD COUNTER

[John Meyer]

I'll have to bookmark that for later.


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
wrote:

> Hello Jennifer,
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 04:00:19PM +, Mayers, Jennifer A. wrote:
> >
> > We noticed that there does not seem to be a word counter.  This is
> > required for essays and some research papers my son is doing, so we do
> > not want to download this program in unless it has the word counter.
> > Could you let us know about this?
>
> You can try this extension
>
> http://aoo-ui-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/git/downloads/WordCountStatusbarController-0.0.1-windows-x86.oxt
> It adds a word counter on the status bar.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

Re: WORD COUNTER

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hello Jennifer,

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 04:00:19PM +, Mayers, Jennifer A. wrote:
> 
> We noticed that there does not seem to be a word counter.  This is
> required for essays and some research papers my son is doing, so we do
> not want to download this program in unless it has the word counter.
> Could you let us know about this?

You can try this extension
http://aoo-ui-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/git/downloads/WordCountStatusbarController-0.0.1-windows-x86.oxt
It adds a word counter on the status bar.


Regards
-- 
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La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Suggestion.

[japples]

Dan, like you, I am very tired of people talking about things such as 
the "content.xml file in the zipped ODT file" which doesn't seem to be a 
function in the standard tool bar such as Edit, Copy, Paste etc.


I do apologize for not being more clear about where I found the "codes" 
OO has that are similar to the WP codes. 

Open OO Writer, find the icon that looks similar to the manual (before 
computer) editing symbol for new paragraph.  Click on it to expose the 
codes or simply ctrl+F10.


Thank you for your kind request for clarification
Jack


Dan Lewis wrote:

On 05/22/2014 04:15 PM, japples wrote:



Urmas wrote:

"japples":


A more efficient way would be to have the codes seen where they are in
document and make corrections on the spot.


I've never used WP, but basing on Wiki images, it shows mostly 
useless stuff like linebreaks and spaces. Do you want to see where 
each formatting run begins and ends?


May I suggest you use the real deal rather than accepting an 
explanation by a third party - listening to a third party is similar 
to listening to gossip rather than finding out for yourself.  Most of 
the time you will find gossip is a mix of truth and fantasy.  Last 
comment, OO has similar codes revealed and, personally, I have used 
them for over 30 years and find them most helpful.  In the past, I 
was able to help co-workers who used a product without ability to see 
codes.  They spent hours trying to fix a document that took me less 
than 10 minutes.


 Once again I read about that someone has done something without 
saying what they did nor how. What codes are you talking about in OO 
better known (supposedly) as AOO? Are you talking about the 
content.xml file in the zipped ODT file?


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Re: Suggestion.

[Dan Lewis]

On 05/22/2014 04:15 PM, japples wrote:



Urmas wrote:

"japples":


A more efficient way would be to have the codes seen where they are in
document and make corrections on the spot.


I've never used WP, but basing on Wiki images, it shows mostly 
useless stuff like linebreaks and spaces. Do you want to see where 
each formatting run begins and ends?


May I suggest you use the real deal rather than accepting an 
explanation by a third party - listening to a third party is similar 
to listening to gossip rather than finding out for yourself.  Most of 
the time you will find gossip is a mix of truth and fantasy.  Last 
comment, OO has similar codes revealed and, personally, I have used 
them for over 30 years and find them most helpful.  In the past, I was 
able to help co-workers who used a product without ability to see 
codes.  They spent hours trying to fix a document that took me less 
than 10 minutes.


 Once again I read about that someone has done something without 
saying what they did nor how. What codes are you talking about in OO 
better known (supposedly) as AOO? Are you talking about the content.xml 
file in the zipped ODT file?


--Dan

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Re: Never again

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> present any documents ! I lost 6 months of work !
> 
> Really often, when I have a page with 3 same pics, Open Office does not
> understand and it prints only 1 pic !!!
> 
> This product is free because it would be a scam to pay for it !
> 
> I prefer to pay but have something which is just a bit stable and don’t
> destroy all my work !
> 
> And the wort, when customers contact you, you even don’t answer !!!
>

You're the reason someone came up with 'Stupid should hurt'.



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Re: Reveal Codes Query - or Re: Suggestion.

[Helen]

I'd love the reveal codes feature -- didn't know there was a vote until I
ran across this.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <
and...@pitonyak.org> wrote:

>
> On 05/19/2014 06:11 AM, japples wrote:
>
>> So far, this conversation boils down to:  use only styles which requires
>> casual users to travel the steep learning curve to enable their use and
>> possibility of creating conflicts with other style rules or show
>> consideration to the casual user and provide a reveal code feature which is
>> cleaner / more direct and does not have potential of creating conflicts.
>>
>
> That is the preferred way of using the product, but it does not negate the
> need for the feature. It does, however, possibly make it more difficult to
> implement. I think that the real problem is that it requires a
> knowledgeable person (as in someone who would be able to code the solution)
> to care enough to choose to do it. This is, after all, community developed
> software. So, the trick is to convince a particular person to spend time /
> energy on that particular feature. In this case, it means that the feature
> must be first designed, since a design does not exist, and, the general
> usage pattern is sufficiently different, that it is not obvious to me that
> saying "copy from WP" is sufficient.
>
> Finding someone that cares enough to actually implement really is the
> hardest part. The product has many users, but, I only see 25 people on the
> CC list for the enhancement request and only 201 votes for implementation.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3395
>
> So, if one talented person cares enough to do it, it will happen.
> Otherwise, I suppose that sufficient people need to vote for the feature.
> WIth as many users as exist, only finding 201 people who want it enough to
> put one of their "votes" towards it in over 10 years feels a little
> spartan. Perhaps the problem is that the people that want it do not know
> that they can vote for it. I will admit, however, that I don't have a
> handle on how many votes it would require to push it up the list, and I
> lack the time right now to check to see where it stands relative to other
> requests. I do see that most people that voted put two of their votes
> towards it.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/page.cgi?id=voting/bug.html&bug_id=3395
>
>
>> Compared to using wysiwyg web page creator without ability to view code.
>>  Styles does nothing to correct skewed page; however, viewing the codes is
>> a very helpful tool.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>
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