Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
On 4/12/2012 5:56 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: On 12/03/12 23:46, Martin Groenescheij wrote: On 4/12/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: On 12/03/12 18:39, James Plante wrote: One of the reasons I *don't* use master docs is because of the extra work needed to cross-reference various parts of a report, e.g., on page 24, see cost analysis in Appendix C, page 98. (And page 98 keeps incrementing as your document grows; it finally ends up being on page 210-- and your cross-reference reflects that.) It has been over a decade since I've written anything long like that; but 15 or so years ago good word-processing software handled this problem properly. Indices automatically kept up to date, as did cross-chapter / file references. If aoo doesn't do that, it should be very high on the list of things to fix / add in the next rev. In that regard, I don't know if the iso standard which describes odt files deals with this, (and I can't look at it because one has to pay ISO to get a copy) but I would hope that it does, as it's an obvious well-known issue. If it doesn't, it's something that should be addressed via a proposal to iso with a sample implementation in the next rev of aoo. Is what you ask is a standard for an unstructured input? OpenOffice can deal with large files if you understand the concept of Styles. I'm not familiar enough with styles to answer that for certain, but what I'm talking about has nothing to do with the size of the file. I'm talking about a collection of files which together comprise the total document, as if concatenated end-to-end. e.g. toc.odt, contents.odt, chapter1.odt,... index.odt. book.odt says it's made up of those files in that order. That's exactly what OpenOffice can do when you take the effort to learn / understand how to work with Styles The Help file says this about Cross-references: The advantage of entering a cross-reference as a field is that you do */not have to adjust the references manually/* every time you change the document. Just update the fields with F9 and the references in the document are updated too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
On Dec 4, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Martin Groenescheij mar...@groenescheij.com wrote: The advantage of entering a cross-reference as a field is that you do */not have to adjust the references manually/* every time you change the document. Just update the fields with F9 and the references in the document are updated too. And with AOO, you can simply pick paragraph headings as the cross-reference if you're working on a single document. If, OTOH, you're using a master doc, then you must name the sub-file and explicitly spell out the reference. This is quite inconvenient in a big, complex document; there's also a high probability of error. If I'm working in a sub-file--say, Site Value, and I want to reference an entry in the section titled market analysis, then the field reference has to be complete and accurate into a file that's not open, or worse, which is open and being changed by someone else. Now, a programmer who can figure out how to keep that much information straight in a dynamic document has my complete admiration. But it is easier for me to simply write a single, massive document that knows its own parts thoroughly. AOO does this until the document length exceeds about 170 pages, then it loses its mind, starts acting goofy, and won't save. And, btw, you don't have to lose your changes when that happens. Just open a new document, copy the new material from the malfunctioning one, and paste it into the new blank document. That will save nicely. The longer doc won't. Jim Plante - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
First, save in native ODF (.odt). Remember that the .doc import/export filters have been reverse engineered, you may face some troubles by continuing using this format. Always work in .odt and export in .doc when needed only. This way you keep a secure copy of your document. If your document has a lot of objects (pictures, ...), try to increase the memory settings (ToolsPreferencesOOoMemory). If no change, you can try to reset your user profile but I doubt it will change anything in your case: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58403#p58403 Hagar Le 03/12/2012 20:55, damali ayo a écrit : Hello Forum, I have been chugging along on a 300 page manuscript in Open Office. I brought it into OO from an old (I mean old) version of word. All was going well until a few minutes ago when OO seemed to be reading my document very strangely. The header disappeared, the endnotes half-disappeared, and when I click on a number in the text for a note, it takes me to the note at the end but then others are missing. I have no idea what happened or why. When I open the document anew it positions me somewhere in the middle of it. I have the sense that it's a viewing issue, and the file isn't actually screwed up...at least I hope so. I have no other way of opening it though. I quit OO, restarted my computer, and no changes. It's slightly terrifying. I've been working on this book for over a year. Any help would be angelic, truly. Details: Involved participants: Mac OS 10.5.8 Microsoft word v.X for mac (yes i need an entirely new computer, I know) OpenOffice 3 Thank you!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
Abiword may help (not sure if there is a version for Mac). Else, can you upload the file somewhere (not sure the list allows attachments)? You can make a small file if you manage to keep that behavior. You can attach files (128kB max) in the forum. Else, mediafire.com is a good one. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:47, damali ayo a écrit : My apologies Hagar, I did not see that link. I did change the user profile and it is still acting the same strange way. What i find most odd, is how the notes seem to be in the doc, but don't show up until i click them. Other things I wrote in the notes section appear then too. It's like a hide and seek game. That's why i think the information is all there...somewhere. Is there any other program that you suggest i use to complete work on this manuscript? Will a new version of MS word be able to import the .odt file? Thanks, i think that's my last question, since nothing has changed. :( damali Profile location is given here (same topic): http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401 There is a link to that post in the very post I've linked. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:32, damali ayo a écrit : Hagar, How do i do this in mac? The link you send does not detail that process. damali Have you tried to reset the profile? It may help. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:15, damali ayo a écrit : Thanks! I so appreciate your thoughts. I had already saved in .odt quite a few times, this was even a save as .odt file i was working on. I had imported it from .doc over a week (and many many saves) ago. I had not gone back to .doc at all. I don't have any photos. I do have a table of contents, several sections (14) and endnotes. I increased the memory to support this (great tip!), quit and restarted the program, but the problems persist. I forgot to mention a symptom...i noticed it was acting strange when i tried to highlight several lines in the endnotes and it only let me highlight random portion. So I closed the doc and re-opened. That's when everything went pear-shaped. Other ideas? damali First, save in native ODF (.odt). Remember that the .doc import/export filters have been reverse engineered, you may face some troubles by continuing using this format. Always work in .odt and export in .doc when needed only. This way you keep a secure copy of your document. If your document has a lot of objects (pictures, ...), try to increase the memory settings (ToolsPreferencesOOoMemory). If no change, you can try to reset your user profile but I doubt it will change anything in your case: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58403#p58403 Hagar Le 03/12/2012 20:55, damali ayo a écrit : Hello Forum, I have been chugging along on a 300 page manuscript in Open Office. I brought it into OO from an old (I mean old) version of word. All was going well until a few minutes ago when OO seemed to be reading my document very strangely. The header disappeared, the endnotes half-disappeared, and when I click on a number in the text for a note, it takes me to the note at the end but then others are missing. I have no idea what happened or why. When I open the document anew it positions me somewhere in the middle of it. I have the sense that it's a viewing issue, and the file isn't actually screwed up...at least I hope so. I have no other way of opening it though. I quit OO, restarted my computer, and no changes. It's slightly terrifying. I've been working on this book for over a year. Any help would be angelic, truly. Details: Involved participants: Mac OS 10.5.8 Microsoft word v.X for mac (yes i need an entirely new computer, I know) OpenOffice 3 Thank you!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
I've had a similar problem with OOo on the Mac. Got about 170 pages of a 200+ page report done, and the program wouldn't save the file. It started the aberrant behavior you describe. I closed the file, and opened it in NeoOffice, a dedicated Mac version of OOO. Worked fine. Find NeoOffice at http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php. It costs $10 to d/l, but if it saves your book, it's worth it. Jim Plante On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:47 PM, damali ayo he...@damaliayo.com wrote: My apologies Hagar, I did not see that link. I did change the user profile and it is still acting the same strange way. What i find most odd, is how the notes seem to be in the doc, but don't show up until i click them. Other things I wrote in the notes section appear then too. It's like a hide and seek game. That's why i think the information is all there...somewhere. Is there any other program that you suggest i use to complete work on this manuscript? Will a new version of MS word be able to import the .odt file? Thanks, i think that's my last question, since nothing has changed. :( damali Profile location is given here (same topic): http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401 There is a link to that post in the very post I've linked. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:32, damali ayo a écrit : Hagar, How do i do this in mac? The link you send does not detail that process. damali Have you tried to reset the profile? It may help. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:15, damali ayo a écrit : Thanks! I so appreciate your thoughts. I had already saved in .odt quite a few times, this was even a save as .odt file i was working on. I had imported it from .doc over a week (and many many saves) ago. I had not gone back to .doc at all. I don't have any photos. I do have a table of contents, several sections (14) and endnotes. I increased the memory to support this (great tip!), quit and restarted the program, but the problems persist. I forgot to mention a symptom...i noticed it was acting strange when i tried to highlight several lines in the endnotes and it only let me highlight random portion. So I closed the doc and re-opened. That's when everything went pear-shaped. Other ideas? damali First, save in native ODF (.odt). Remember that the .doc import/export filters have been reverse engineered, you may face some troubles by continuing using this format. Always work in .odt and export in .doc when needed only. This way you keep a secure copy of your document. If your document has a lot of objects (pictures, ...), try to increase the memory settings (ToolsPreferencesOOoMemory). If no change, you can try to reset your user profile but I doubt it will change anything in your case: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58403#p58403 Hagar Le 03/12/2012 20:55, damali ayo a écrit : Hello Forum, I have been chugging along on a 300 page manuscript in Open Office. I brought it into OO from an old (I mean old) version of word. All was going well until a few minutes ago when OO seemed to be reading my document very strangely. The header disappeared, the endnotes half-disappeared, and when I click on a number in the text for a note, it takes me to the note at the end but then others are missing. I have no idea what happened or why. When I open the document anew it positions me somewhere in the middle of it. I have the sense that it's a viewing issue, and the file isn't actually screwed up...at least I hope so. I have no other way of opening it though. I quit OO, restarted my computer, and no changes. It's slightly terrifying. I've been working on this book for over a year. Any help would be angelic, truly. Details: Involved participants: Mac OS 10.5.8 Microsoft word v.X for mac (yes i need an entirely new computer, I know) OpenOffice 3 Thank you!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- damali ayo ~ a garden of stories and a cup of tea ~ Please pay me a visit at a fresh new web site: http://damaliayo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To
Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues
There's a lot of assumptions here, without seeing the document nobody can fix it. Opening a doc file in OpenOffice doesn't convert the unstructured Microsoft Word file into a structured OpenOffice file, which works best if you work with Styles. Unless you clean-up the document you will have problems. Martin On 4/12/2012 12:39 PM, James Plante wrote: It's a computer, for chrissake. It doesn't (or shouldn't) care how long a document is. Programs fault because of either logic errors or runtime errors. In this case, it looks like memory management may be at fault, or maybe a dangling pointer or something. I don't really have any idea. Maybe it's just an integer out of range somewhere, or a bollixed-up hash table. It's way over my pay grade to fix it, but someone with the necessary knowledge can d/l Neo's source code (it's based on OOo) and see how Patrick (Neo's sole engineer) addressed the problem. At any rate, if word processing is mission-critical, and the word processor fails in one operation, should you trust it with critical work? And if it can keep straight the complexity of a master doc, it should be able to keep track of a single document. One of the reasons I *don't* use master docs is because of the extra work needed to cross-reference various parts of a report, e.g., on page 24, see cost analysis in Appendix C, page 98. (And page 98 keeps incrementing as your document grows; it finally ends up being on page 210--and your cross-reference reflects that.) I really, really like AOO, but if it faults out on long docs, I'll keep using Neo until it works without failing. On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:22 PM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder if it might be helpful to save larger works into smaller chunks and then use the Master Document feature to bring them all together. It takes some getting used to, but once learned, it has some neat advantages to trying to edit several hundred pages in one file. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Plante Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 8:05 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues I've had a similar problem with OOo on the Mac. Got about 170 pages of a 200+ page report done, and the program wouldn't save the file. It started the aberrant behavior you describe. I closed the file, and opened it in NeoOffice, a dedicated Mac version of OOO. Worked fine. Find NeoOffice at http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php. It costs $10 to d/l, but if it saves your book, it's worth it. Jim Plante On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:47 PM, damali ayo he...@damaliayo.com wrote: My apologies Hagar, I did not see that link. I did change the user profile and it is still acting the same strange way. What i find most odd, is how the notes seem to be in the doc, but don't show up until i click them. Other things I wrote in the notes section appear then too. It's like a hide and seek game. That's why i think the information is all there...somewhere. Is there any other program that you suggest i use to complete work on this manuscript? Will a new version of MS word be able to import the .odt file? Thanks, i think that's my last question, since nothing has changed. :( damali Profile location is given here (same topic): http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58401#p58401 There is a link to that post in the very post I've linked. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:32, damali ayo a écrit : Hagar, How do i do this in mac? The link you send does not detail that process. damali Have you tried to reset the profile? It may help. Hagar Le 03/12/2012 21:15, damali ayo a écrit : Thanks! I so appreciate your thoughts. I had already saved in .odt quite a few times, this was even a save as .odt file i was working on. I had imported it from .doc over a week (and many many saves) ago. I had not gone back to .doc at all. I don't have any photos. I do have a table of contents, several sections (14) and endnotes. I increased the memory to support this (great tip!), quit and restarted the program, but the problems persist. I forgot to mention a symptom...i noticed it was acting strange when i tried to highlight several lines in the endnotes and it only let me highlight random portion. So I closed the doc and re-opened. That's when everything went pear-shaped. Other ideas? damali First, save in native ODF (.odt). Remember that the .doc import/export filters have been reverse engineered, you may face some troubles by continuing using this format. Always work in .odt and export in .doc when needed only. This way you keep a secure copy of your document. If your document has a lot of objects (pictures, ...), try to increase the memory settings (ToolsPreferencesOOoMemory). If no change, you can try to reset your user profile but I doubt it will change anything in your case: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58403#p58403 Hagar Le 03/12/2012 20:55, damali ayo a écrit : Hello