Re: revolting support

[j.nitsc...@ok.de]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 03:20:33 + Toki wrote:
> My recommendation is to use the List-Id line for list mail.
Yes, List-Id is the standard. (RFC2919 if someone cares)
Here instructions how to setup various mail clients:
https://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/EmailClientForMailingListFiltering

Cheers!



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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 6:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

John,

If you look at the raw SMTP headers that you presented in the first remark 
about From and To, you'll see that Reply-To has the list address, and also 
there is a List-Id field that could be used.  Delivered-To might be useful also.

I know that some email clients don't present these, but it may still be 
possible to have filter rules on them.


Thanks, I found a tab in Thunderbird to add filter types.

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RE: revolting support

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Every once in a while?

These list servers always show the email of the sender.

Do you mean something else?

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hart [mailto:jh...@testra.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:12
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: revolting support
> 
> Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the
> subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam:
> instead of OO:.
> 
[ ... ]
> To:
> Subject: =?utf-8?q?revolting_support?=
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:13:14 +0100
> From: =?utf-8?q?syrovy=2Ev?= <syrov...@centrum.cz>  <*LOOK*
[ ... ]



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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:


Brian Barker  said:

The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did *not* 
contain the list address.


Then asked:

Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?

I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
so I responded:

How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random 
addresses?


To which you replied.

Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".

And we've gone in a complete circle.

Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.

Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the 
establishment killed it.

Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

I don't care about the spam problem caused by the list distributing my 
address, but I do care about email going into the wrong box. What the 
author does to his email, shouldn't effect what the list sends me. How 
am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random 
addresses?


On 1/11/2016 2:16 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 13:12 11/01/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:
Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the 
subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam: 
instead of OO:.

To:
From: =?utf-8?q?syrovy=2Ev?=  <*LOOK*


You have this rather confused. *All* messages come with the author's 
address in the From: field. This message from you came with your 
address in its From: field; anyone who wants it has your address. This 
is as it should be: that is the purpose and function of the From: 
field. The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field 
did *not* contain the list address. Was this put into a Bcc: field by 
the author?



People get enough spam without OO distributing their addresses.


The list always gives people's addresses (though some web interfaces 
suppress these).



Someone should look into and fix this problem.


No problem: someone shouldn't.

Brian Barker

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Re: revolting support

[David Rivers]

Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:
How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses? 


Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".


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... or filter on the "Reply-To:" line. :)


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Re: revolting support

[Richard Detwiler]

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:
How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses? 


Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".


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RE: revolting support

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

John,

If you look at the raw SMTP headers that you presented in the first remark 
about From and To, you'll see that Reply-To has the list address, and also 
there is a List-Id field that could be used.  Delivered-To might be useful 
also. 

I know that some email clients don't present these, but it may still be 
possible to have filter rules on them.  

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hart [mailto:jh...@testra.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 17:15
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: revolting support
> 
> On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:
> > On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:
> 
> Brian Barker  said:
> 
> The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did *not*
> contain the list address.
> 
> Then asked:
> 
> Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?
> 
> I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
> so I responded:
> 
> How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random
> addresses?
> 
> To which you replied.
> 
> Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".
> 
> And we've gone in a complete circle.
> 
> Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
> so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.
> 
> Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the
> establishment killed it.
> 



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Re: revolting support

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/11/2016 8:14 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:


Brian Barker  said:

The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did 
*not* contain the list address.


Then asked:

Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?

I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
so I responded:

How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses?


To which you replied.

Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".

And we've gone in a complete circle.

Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.

Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the 
establishment killed it.




I am subscribed to a large number of mailing lists and this list server 
is the only one that ever happens on.  None of my other mailing lists 
ever send me messages that end up in my inbox.  But this one does.   I 
think the OP has a valid point.


Dale Erwin

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Re: revolting support

[toki]

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On 12/01/2016 00:12, John Hart wrote:

> am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random ad
dresses?

The following five lines in the headers are your friends:

List-Help: 
List-Unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 
Reply-To: users@openoffice.apache.org

My recommendation is to use the List-Id line for list mail.

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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 6:41 PM, David Rivers wrote:

Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:
How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses? 


Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".



... or filter on the "Reply-To:" line. :)



Thanks, it wasn't in the filter list, but there was a tab to add it.

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Re: revolting support

[Brian Barker]

At 13:12 11/01/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:
Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the 
subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam: 
instead of OO:.

To:
From: =?utf-8?q?syrovy=2Ev?=   <*LOOK*


You have this rather confused. *All* messages come with the author's 
address in the From: field. This message from you came with your 
address in its From: field; anyone who wants it has your address. 
This is as it should be: that is the purpose and function of the 
From: field. The difference in the message you quote is that the To: 
field did *not* contain the list address. Was this put into a Bcc: 
field by the author?



People get enough spam without OO distributing their addresses.


The list always gives people's addresses (though some web interfaces 
suppress these).



Someone should look into and fix this problem.


No problem: someone shouldn't.

Brian Barker  



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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the
subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam:
instead of OO:.

People get enough spam without OO distributing their addresses. Someone
should look into and fix this problem.


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