[users] Re: PLEASE, STOP SPAM
On 05/15/2008 08:17 PM, ing HECTOR B INIRIO (m.asce) wrote: Hello friends! I stopped downloading Openoffice.org and postponed my decision for a probable future which I am not sure about...But despite of that, I started receiving HUNDREDS of e-mail (spams in fact) from named users-openoffice.org or related links. It is really annoying and I really hate it. So, please, instruct all of your users to stop doing it, at least until I decide to retry downloading. I apologize if there was some misunderstanding on my part during first trial... Very sorry if that happens, but please stop for nowPLEASE... You are receiving emails from an OpenOffice.org mailing list. Please see: http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Duplicated Messages (was Re: [users] Re: Download time for open office)
On 15 May 2008 at 17:33, Richard Detwiler wrote: James Knott wrote: Richard Detwiler wrote: Larry Gusaas wrote: Some mail/news programs do not respect the 'Reply-To' header and also send to the 'From' address when using the 'Reply-All' button. Those who use these non-compliant programs can use 'Reply-All' button when responding to unsubscribed OPs. I'm not sure I'd call those programs non-compliant. I'd be more inclined to call them compliant to my wish to actually reply to all when I select Reply all. It would be a much easier way to cc unsubscribed OPs. So, you're saying an email app should ignore reply to? No, if I do a reply, it should go to the reply-to field. If I do a reply all, it should go to the reply-to field plus anyone else who is listed (in the from field, or the cc field, etc.). In other words, to all. Maybe. Maybe not. The wording of rfc 2822 is not exactly clear:- When the Reply-To: field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es) to which the author of the message suggests that replies be sent Note the use of the word suggests. I think common English usage would be that the sender's wishes should be respected if possible. OTOH it's arguable whether list software should be messing with this field at all - it depends who you consider the sender to be: originator or list exploder. I know it stands the proverbial snowball's chance, but one way out of this problem would be for the reply-to field always to contain the list address, and for non-subscribed senders only also the original sender's address. I think that would have the effect most desire? There's obviously special processing in the list exploder to add the 'moderated' header - it should be simple enough to alter reply-to as well at this point, I would have thought. Should this really be on '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ??? -- Permission for this mail to be processed by any third party in connection with marketing or advertising purposes is hereby explicitly denied. http://www.scottsonline.org.uk lists incoming sites blocked because of spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mike Scott, Harlow, Essex, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Duplicated Messages (was Re: [users] Re: Download time for open office)
On 15 May 2008 at 16:39, Larry Gusaas wrote: -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: 2008/05/15 3:35 PM Larry Gusaas wrote: The problem is allowing unsubscribed postes to the list in the first place. If they are allowed, at least their address should be added to the 'Reply-To' header. Having to look to see if a post is delivered to the moderator before replying is idiotic. Does reply to support multiple addresses? I don't know. It has been mentioned before as a solution to the unsubscribed poster quagmire. It does according to rfc2822. -- Permission for this mail to be processed by any third party in connection with marketing or advertising purposes is hereby explicitly denied. http://www.scottsonline.org.uk lists incoming sites blocked because of spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mike Scott, Harlow, Essex, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Best version for Mac(s)?
2008/5/15 web at work [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Have anyone used the NeoOffice.org version of OpenOffice.org? Which one is better for a Mac PowerBookG4 PowerPC, OSX/10.3.9? How about an iMac? I have a friend that used Macs and I want to make sure I send her a CD(s) with the better version of the OpenOffice.org based software. I have the CD for Win/Linux/Mac for OpenOffice.org 2.4 but will download NeoOffice.org package if it is better for her version of Mac(s). Thanks for your help guys/gals in advance Hello, For a PPC with Panther (10.3) I guess the newest OpenOffice.org version available is 2.1 http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/x11-103.html This one will need the X11 windowing utility, that can be downloaded from the Apple website http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html (no other version of X11 should be used with Panther - each version of Mac OS X has its own X11, and they're not interchangeable). On an iMac things may be different, because there are PPC and Intel iMacs, and it also depends on the OS (Panther=2.1 / Tiger and Leopard use the latest OOo versions). I now use the beta release of OOo 3,0 Aqua on my Leopard MacBook Pro and on my Tiger iMac (both have Intel chips). This works OK, even for newcomers. It goes without the X11 (which on Leopard is apita, because it was released before being seriously tested, at least with OOo). Only drawback is that it is a beta release, so it is not advisable to do real serious production work with it. On Tiger, the OOo 2.4 with X11 works fine (on Tiger Macs, X11 is not installed by default, but the package X11User.pkg, can be found on the Tiger Mac OS X install disks, then upgraded to version 1.1.3 by Apple's Software Update). I at one time had a version of NeoOffice on my iMac. I suppose it's not all that different, probably does some things easier than OOo. I found it a bit heavier/slower. It's always one version behind OOo, because the NO team uses the OOo source and changes it to suit its own aims. I don't like NO too much. it's a fork of OOo but doesn't contribute (any more) to OOo's development. Something to do with different licences, and also something with clashing personalities I heard... All this doesn't matter too much when you simply want a free text and spreadsheet application that works on your Mac... HTH -- Guy using dutch OOo Aqua Beta 3.0.0 (and older) on a iMac Intel DualCore Tiger and brazilian OOo SRC 680 m241 and english Aqua Beta 3.0.0 on an Intel MacBook Pro Leopard -- please reply only to users@openoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches
Re: [users] What's going on ?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lisi Reisz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 14 May 2008 12:37:51 Alberto Muller wrote: Hello all, I've been using this mailing list for 3 or 4 months thinking that its main purpose is to help people joining the OO community to learn how to use Open Office. Instead, I have seen endless rants and pointless discussions about matters that have nothing to do with helping people with OO. I'm just citing a few items : Top posting vs Bottom posting (please stop it), OO needs an e-mail client (going on forever); download time for OO (went immediately off track and landed to the American Constitution and the size of gold coins at the actual rates). Do we want to go on like that or shall we finally go back th the main purpose of the mailing list ? Helping people with Open Office, nothing else, and leave the rest to the philosophers. Personally I will unsubscribe from the list if the current trend continues. Best regards. Alberto Muller I have a delete button :-) So do you. Also a kill-file facility which can be even more useful ;-) R -- Richard Travers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Truro, Cornwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: What is being called for is the ability to say - there is one ( or more ) email clients that works closely with the other modules in the package. Other than the ability to use OOo to create webpages that masquerade as email, what functionality does OOo need, to better integrate with email clients? My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. 1. The ability for OOo and TMP to *share* the *same* dictionaries for spell checking purposes. Currently OOo and Thunderbird (TB) can use *separate copies* of the same dictionary; this means that you have to add you own words *twice* - once to each separate copy. I want both programs to use *the same file*. 2. The procedures for downloading dictionaries should be the same for the two programs. 3. The ability to use Writer as the text editor for e-mail preparation. Here I explicitly mean a facility that mimics MS's scheme with Outlook and Word. In MS Office, the user has the choice to configure things so that when s/he Clicks the Create new e-mail button in Outlook a window opens with the top looking like an e-mail preparation screen - fields for To:, cc:, Subject etc. - and the lower part looking *similar to* Word - font selection, bold/underline/italic selection, style selection and so on. In addition, the keystrokes used to edit the text are *identical* to those used in Word to edit ones document. I explicitly do *not* mean running Writer, creating text and then either copy/pasting it into TMP or using Writer's Send as e-mail facilities. Note I said the windows should be simliar. I did not say identical because I didn't mean it. Just as an example, in the MS Office case, the window that opens has no Drawing toolbar, nothing for editing tables etc. etc. It's basically a *text* preparartion window that recognises the fact that people these days expect their e-mails to be able to include links and e-mail addresses that work, bold/underlined/italic pieces, bulleted lists and so on. I'm afraid that the text only in e-mails brigade is going the way of the dinosaur; and righlty so IMHO. 4. Help files in, as well as FAQs and other documentation for TMP and OOo should be aware of each other and not contradict each other. 5. Language packs for OOo and TMP should correspond as far as possible. 6. TMP and OOo should run on all the same platforms. 7. TMP and OOo should be available from the same web site. Note that I do *not* mean there should be a single download file, although offering one as an option might not be a bad idea. 8. The procedure for adding extensions should be the same in TMP and OOo. 9. Where relevant an extension that works in OOo should also work in TMP. 10. Both programs should support the same macro programming langauges. Does this mean sharing a document model? 11. It should be **easy** (preferably not more than three clicks) to get an e-mail address, or series thereof, or any other stored data from TMP's address book into an OOo document. No prior configuration/set-up should be necessary. Anyone who mentions data source or the use of Calc or Base to accomplish this will be severely punished ;-) 12. Mail merge using TMP's address book should be **trivial** to accomplish. 13. If TMP has a calendaring facility then it should be easily accessible from OOo so that, for example, I could easily copy details of an appointment into a letter I'm writing in Writer. Please feel free to add more. I'm basically trying, as someone else has briefly discussed here, to get at an *Office System* that presents the user with a consistent interface in the user's chosen language and with facilities that work across all the components of the system. It is worth noting, perhaps, that the current offering is called openOFFICE (delibrately raised voice). Offices these days send e-mails and use calendars ... Please note that I have *deliberately* renamed this thread to try to throw off the detritus that
[users] OT: Lashon Hara - was Re: [users] Re: OpenOffice and portable harddrives
2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:43 PM, John W Kennedy wrote: It is not Lashon Hara to warn against future evil. snip From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashon_hara): There are times when a person is obligated to speak out, even though the information is disparaging. Specifically, if a person's intent in sharing the negative information is for a *to'elet*, a positive, constructive, and beneficial purpose, the prohibition against *lashon hara* does not apply. *Motzi shem ra*, spouting lies and spreading disinformation, is always prohibited. And if the *lashon hara* serves as a warning against the possibility of future harm, such communication is not only permissible, but, under certain conditions, compulsory. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: What is being called for is the ability to say - there is one ( or more ) email clients that works closely with the other modules in the package. Other than the ability to use OOo to create webpages that masquerade as email, what functionality does OOo need, to better integrate with email clients? My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. 1. The ability for OOo and TMP to *share* the *same* dictionaries for spell checking purposes. Currently OOo and Thunderbird (TB) can use *separate copies* of the same dictionary; this means that you have to add you own words *twice* - once to each separate copy. I want both programs to use *the same file*. 2. The procedures for downloading dictionaries should be the same for the two programs. 3. The ability to use Writer as the text editor for e-mail preparation. Here I explicitly mean a facility that mimics MS's scheme with Outlook and Word. In MS Office, the user has the choice to configure things so that when s/he Clicks the Create new e-mail button in Outlook a window opens with the top looking like an e-mail preparation screen - fields for To:, cc:, Subject etc. - and the lower part looking *similar to* Word - font selection, bold/underline/italic selection, style selection and so on. In addition, the keystrokes used to edit the text are *identical* to those used in Word to edit ones document. I explicitly do *not* mean running Writer, creating text and then either copy/pasting it into TMP or using Writer's Send as e-mail facilities. Note I said the windows should be simliar. I did not say identical because I didn't mean it. Just as an example, in the MS Office case, the window that opens has no Drawing toolbar, nothing for editing tables etc. etc. It's basically a *text* preparartion window that recognises the fact that people these days expect their e-mails to be able to include links and e-mail addresses that work, bold/underlined/italic pieces, bulleted lists and so on. I'm afraid that the text only in e-mails brigade is going the way of the dinosaur; and righlty so IMHO. 4. Help files in, as well as FAQs and other documentation for TMP and OOo should be aware of each other and not contradict each other. 5. Language packs for OOo and TMP should correspond as far as possible. 6. TMP and OOo should run on all the same platforms. 7. TMP and OOo should be available from the same web site. Note that I do *not* mean there should be a single download file, although offering one as an option might not be a bad idea. 8. The procedure for adding extensions should be the same in TMP and OOo. 9. Where relevant an extension that works in OOo should also work in TMP. 10. Both programs should support the same macro programming langauges. Does this mean sharing a document model? 11. It should be **easy** (preferably not more than three clicks) to get an e-mail address, or series thereof, or any other stored data from TMP's address book into an OOo document. No prior configuration/set-up should be necessary. Anyone who mentions data source or the use of Calc or Base to accomplish this will be severely punished ;-) 12. Mail merge using TMP's address book should be **trivial** to accomplish. 13. If TMP has a calendaring facility then it should be easily accessible from OOo so that, for example, I could easily copy details of an appointment into a letter I'm writing in Writer. Please feel free to add more. I'm basically trying, as someone else has briefly discussed here, to get at an *Office System* that presents the user with a consistent interface in the user's chosen language and with facilities that work across all the components of the system. It is worth noting, perhaps, that the current offering is called openOFFICE (delibrately raised voice). Offices these days send e-mails and use calendars ... Please
Re: [users] Re: PLEASE, STOP SPAM
2008/5/16 NoOp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] And follow the instructions in the e-mail that comes back requesting confirmation. If you don't confirm your request it will not be honoured on the basis that it probably came [maliciously] from someone else masquerading as you. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:04:36 +0300 (EAT) Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: What is being called for is the ability to say - there is one ( or more ) email clients that works closely with the other modules in the package. Other than the ability to use OOo to create webpages that masquerade as email, what functionality does OOo need, to better integrate with email clients? My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org Could'nt have put it better myself Harold,That is the way to go! Sorry, I have to disagree. Firstly the assumption that an office suite should do everything one does in an office is an absolute fallacy. People might assume that's the way it is, but it doesn't make it right. But the assumption is itself contradictory. Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? After all financial controls such as accounting, invoices, payroll, etc. etc. are core to any business. The only reason why we don't get hundreds of emails asking where is the accounting module is that Microsoft doesn't do it that way. People have been conditioned to make certain assumptions about what belongs and does not belong in an office suite. Does OO have to meet that assumption? I don't think so. We can suggest alternatives ways of doing things and that's fine. Next, question is this: If we believe that email should come in pretty forms rather than just straight text, who determines what format all those pretty features are going to be in? It used to be html until MS in its infinite wisdom decided that email composition was a word processing feature not an email feature and changed the default into .doc format rather than html. So do we let people compose .doc or .odf in your TMP? Should proprietary document formats even be considered when sending documents by email (much less composed in an email program)? What about those silly schmucks like me that think email is best composed as a plain text format for most situations? What if we choose to use a non-Thunderbird, non-TMP program that is actually far better than Thunderbird (obviously I don't know what features TMP has!) at dealing with email. How would you see this working in all the different operating systems that OOo is produced on? It would be particularly galling to linux users such as myself who believe in the philosophy that an application should just do one thing really well and communicate well with other applications rather than trying to do everything in one monolithic world-dominating program that takes a super-computer to run and is prone to break by the nature of its architecture. Why should OOo, which is trying to break the stranglehold of one software manufacturer, be beholden to the same philosophy and then tied to another organisation in this way? Yes let's work on better communication between, for example, dictionaries and email composition. But let's not fall for the bigger is better, tying everything together is better belief that has really done little more than change one set of problems for another. OOo is a brilliant office application. It can do better. The way ahead is actually the way that Firefox has moved forward- plug-ins and extensions. OOo is just starting to move down that track and i think as extensions develop, many of these problems will be sorted out by third party developers working out add-ons that will meet specific needs. That's my take on it all. And why doesn't Ooo have a podcatcher built in? After all I use my office computer to download and play music- that make it an office function for me :-) -- God bless you, Keith Bates www.new-life.org.au If you don't have a reason to live JESUS IS THE ANSWER! Ask him into your life today... He really does make a
Re: [users] Project Manager to Save and Restore Current State of All OOo Windows
I do music for our church and each week I have the same set of panes open for my work. It would be nice to click one button and get those panes opened without hunting them down and clicking each one individually. This week I had six open at a time which is normal. There are several that I would like to recall without the going after all six of them. One click and six panes open. Also, it would be good to have a menu with say, the last ten projects, or the ten most used projects, or both Or something where we can set the ones we want to be able to recall quickly. Joseph Alex Janssen wrote: Please vote for this idea if you like it. It is to save all open OOo files as a project so that with a single click you may restore them to their previous state. This would facilitate the interruptions we have by allowing a thought process to be put on hold until we want to resume where we left off. Thanks, Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Extra Dictionary
On May 15, 2008, at 17:42 , jonathon wrote: If you are using OOo 3.0, you have to learn to program in half a dozen languages, to install your dictionary. This is because it was deemed that dictionary.lst was too difficult to hand edit. Because somebody MADE it too difficult? Basically, unless the Wizard is vastly smarter in 3.0 than exists in 2.4, OO is effectively unable to use any dictionaries that don't come pre-packaged specifically for OO. FWIW, it was interesting to discover that there are over 80 MB of installed but unused dictionaries taking up valuable disk space. If they're already installed, why does the wizard even exist? If you are using OOo 2.4, or lower: * Find a file called dictionary.lst; Sadly, my paper was due before before i was able to work through all this; i had to complete it with half of every page marked in red underlines. Nonetheless, i will offer up this travelogue of my experiences for anybody else who wishes to travel into the jungle. In the immortal words of the Grateful Dead: What a long, strange trip it's been! Also, since my attempt to get OO to recognize this dictionary was ultimately unsuccessful, it might be useful as forensic information. On the Mac, OO keeps *two* files called dictionary.lst: there is one inside the application bundle [/Applications/OpenOffice.org 2.4.app/ Contents/share/dict/ooo/, in my case] and another in the home directory [~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org/2/user/ wordbook/]. The wordbook directory, strangely enough, held only dictionary.lst, DicOOo.lst, Standard.dic, and something called Chemistry.dic. None of these were proper list files, the first only contained datestamps, the second was a pointer to the Wizard script. The last two were some sort of binary. I guess the existence of Chemistry.dic must be a hangover from the aborted attempt to use the Wizard. So the ooo folder held all the dictionary files mentioned previously, though i will mention that i didn't have a single file ending in .dct. Rather, those all ended in .dic [just like the file i was trying to add]. Anyway, i copied the new dictionary over, edited the lst file as you mentioned, started OO again, and typed some chemical nomenclature. The result: more red lines. As i've said, it's too late for this semester. Next time i need to write a technical paper i'll probably give koffice a try. -- Using a rusty Amiga 4000T, a shiny PowerMac G5, a homebuilt Ubuntu box It's 2008. Where are all the flying cars? I was promised flying cars! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] PLEASE, STOP SPAM
Richard Bane wrote: These are my sentiments exactly. This is the first time I've ever been punished for buying something. All I wanted find out how to make it default and had no idea I would get 75 emails. Please let up. Richard Bane From: ing HECTOR B INIRIO (m.asce) Hello friends! I stopped downloading Openoffice.org and postponed my decision for a probable future which I am not sure about...But despite of that, I started receiving HUNDREDS of e-mail (spams in fact) from named users-openoffice.org or related links. It is really annoying and I really hate it. So, please, instruct all of your users to stop doing it, at least until I decide to retry downloading. I apologize if there was some misunderstanding on my part during first trial... Very sorry if that happens, but please stop for nowPLEASE... First, there is no need to pay for Open Office.org. It's 100% free. It's free from http://openoffice.org Secondly, the Open Office.org mailing list is not spam. If you are receiving these support posts, then apparently you've subscribed to the mailing list for user support given by knowledgeable volunteers who are here to help you if you have a question concerning your Open Office programs. If you wish to not receive these helpful posts, then you can unsubscribe by writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] after which you will receive a confirmation eMail. If you follow the directions on that eMail, your unsubscribe will be acknowledged and you will be deleted, and receive no more of these helpful conversations. Joseph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
Marshall Feldman wrote: Jack, I don't know what's going wrong. The original problem was due to the fact that I'm using Outlook, and it was breaking the URL. The URL did not fit on a single line, and Outlook was inserting a newline in the address. The actual URL ends with 10641 To fix the problem, I rewrote the URL without any indentation, and this time if fit on a single line, so Outlook didn't mess with it. What happens if you enclose the URL in , such as www.yahoo.com? Browsers, such as Seamonkey enclose URLs that way, when emailing them. That method is supposed to prevent line breaks. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Duplicated Messages (was Re: [users] Re: Download time for open office)
Keith N. McKenna wrote: James Knott wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: James Knott wrote: Larry Gusaas wrote: The problem is allowing unsubscribed postes to the list in the first place. If they are allowed, at least their address should be added to the 'Reply-To' header. Having to look to see if a post is delivered to the moderator before replying is idiotic. Does reply to support multiple addresses? I just tried a simple test with Thunderbird sending a message from my main mail account to my hotmail account sett the repy-to set to two other accounts that I have. It sent the reply to both the reply-to accounts and not to my main account. It looks like at least for Thunderbird it does support multiple reply-to addresses. How did you set two reply-to addresses? What does the header look like? In Thunderbird's compose window if you click on the small arrow next to the To: field you will get a drop down list to change the field. Reply-to is one of the options. as far as the headers, here is a sample of the header; I know about that method as I use it whenever I reply to a moderated message. I was curious as to how he did it. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] PLEASE, STOP SPAM
Richard Bane wrote: These are my sentiments exactly. This is the first time I've ever been punished for buying something. All I wanted find out how to make it default and had no idea I would get 75 emails. Please let up. Richard Bane You didn't have to buy OpenOffice, as it's a free download from www.openoffice.org. Are those messages coming from this list users@openoffice.org? If not, they have nothing to do with this list. Are those messages coming from whoever you bought OpenOffice from? If so, you'd better complain to them. Can you forward an example of that spam to this list? However, given that both of you apparently posted to the list and weren't moderated, I can only assume you are subscribed to this list. If so, this was something you did yourself and only you can unsubscribe. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org Could'nt have put it better myself Harold,That is the way to go! Sorry, I have to disagree. Firstly the assumption that an office suite should do everything one does in an office is an absolute fallacy. People might assume that's the way it is, but it doesn't make it right. -There are no assumptions here-It is afact that for OOo to be fully acceptable,there are 'benchmarks' already existing for what to expect in a productivity suite in the marketplace- So what OOo should aspire to do is set the pace for other productivity suites just the way Firefox took the Web browser market by storm.Let us not bury our heads in the sand(quite literally)assuming there is no bushfire just because our eyes cannot see the fire (the head is in the sand remember)-Run baby run But the assumption is itself contradictory. Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? After all financial controls such as accounting, invoices, payroll, etc. etc. are core to any business. The only reason why we don't get hundreds of emails asking where is the accounting module is that Microsoft doesn't do it that way. -That now is the beauty of OOo,you can customize it to suit your application needs as a user at your convinience via addons and extensions. People have been conditioned to make certain assumptions about what belongs and does not belong in an office suite. Does OO have to meet that assumption? I don't think so. We can suggest alternatives ways of doing things and that's fine. -I beg to differ since currently only MS certifications are widely acceptable by most employers-at least from my part of the world,hence the need to upgrade OOo to certification level,Congrats to Gabriel Gurley for a wonderful job http://theingots.org/moodle/ Next, question is this: If we believe that email should come in pretty forms rather than just straight text, who determines what format all those pretty features are going to be in? It used to be html until MS in its infinite wisdom decided that email composition was a word processing feature not an email feature and changed the default into .doc format rather than html. So do we let people compose .doc or .odf in your TMP? Should proprietary document formats even be considered when sending documents by email (much less composed in an email program) What about those silly schmucks like me that think email is best composed as a plain text format for most situations? What if we choose to use a non-Thunderbird, non-TMP program that is actually far better than Thunderbird (obviously I don't know what features TMP has!) at dealing with email. -Please give Harold a chance to show us what TMP has in store for us before blazing you guns at him. How would you see this working in all the different operating systems that OOo is produced on? It would be particularly galling to linux users such as myself who believe in the philosophy that an application should just do one thing really well and communicate well with other applications rather than trying to do everything in one monolithic world-dominating program that takes a super-computer to run and is prone to break by the nature of its architecture. -Considering the virtues of Openoffice,as a user i think my priority should be converting new users across all OS platforms so as to cut out vendor lock in and at the same time save lots of $$ for our economies.let us start with the basics. Why should OOo, which is trying to break the stranglehold of one software manufacturer, be beholden to the same philosophy and then tied to another organisation in this way? It is a fact that this Software manufacturer owns 95% of the Market and OOo intends to cut out a niche of the same market,any second chances/choices? Yes let's work on
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 Keith Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip Sorry, I have to disagree. Firstly the assumption that an office suite should do everything one does in an office is an absolute fallacy. People might assume that's the way it is, but it doesn't make it right. But the assumption is itself contradictory. Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? After all financial controls such as accounting, invoices, payroll, etc. etc. are core to any business. The only reason why we don't get hundreds of emails asking where is the accounting module is that Microsoft doesn't do it that way. Because most people send e-mails, write letters and/or reports and make spreadsheets from time to time. I'm not at all sure why Base in included in OOo, or Math. Accountancy is a minority sport in most offices. And, in fact, commercial accountancy packages make sure they fit well with other office applications. Also, unfortunately and however much you disagree, Microsoft has set a de facto standard. People have been conditioned to make certain assumptions about what belongs and does not belong in an office suite. There is some conditioning but the idea that writing an e-mail and writing a letter should *not* use the same UI just plain silly. Does OO have to meet that assumption? I don't think so. We can suggest alternatives ways of doing things and that's fine. Only if the alternative is at least as good ; having separate UIs for mail and letters isn't as good. Having to add the same word to two different dictionaries isn't as good. Next, question is this: If we believe that email should come in pretty forms rather than just straight text, who determines what format all those pretty features are going to be in? It used to be html until MS in its infinite wisdom decided that email composition was a word processing feature not an email feature and changed the default into .doc format rather than html. So do we let people compose .doc or .odf in your TMP? Should proprietary document formats even be considered when sending documents by email (much less composed in an email program)? This has already been sorted. One can easily receive Outlook e-mails (e-mails composed in Outlook) in a Thunderbird mailbox. And vice versa. AFAIK Outlook doesn't send .doc files any more than I'm expecting or asking TMP to send .odt files. I *think* that what is transmitted is HTML but I'm not really sure. It's the user interface I'm discussing, *not* the format of what gets sent. What about those silly schmucks like me that think email is best composed as a plain text format for most situations? They are silly shmucks ! No, seriously, the overhead (extra formatting etc.) for short simple e-mails is very small, especially wehen one considers modern data transfer rates and storage capabilities. In the late 70's (1979 to be precise) when I had my first e-mail address I'd have agreed with you. Not today. And again, it's the UI I'm talking about. It's just as easy to type a simple document in Writer as to type a more complex one. Why have to remember two separate interfaces? What if we choose to use a non-Thunderbird, non-TMP program that is actually far better than Thunderbird (obviously I don't know what features TMP has!) at dealing with email. There is no non-TMP program. There cannot be; TMP does *not* exist so a non-TMP prgram must be something that exists! I invented TMP precisely to avoid this. I don't mind what gets used. TMP is a *notional* program (sorry, I thought I'd said that) which implements whatever features are arrived at by consensus. If it turns out that TMP is Thunderbird plus a few minor changes, fine; if TMP turns out to be Pegasus with some modifications, fine. If TMP is brand new also fine unless it takes 5 years to arrive. How would you see this working in all the different operating systems that OOo is produced on? It would be particularly galling to linux users such as myself who believe in the philosophy that an application should just do one thing really well and communicate well with other applications rather than trying to do everything in one monolithic world-dominating program that takes a super-computer to run and is prone to break by the nature of its architecture. I fully agree with the *UNIX* philosophy of having small programs that cooperate well with each other. If you think this, why are you using OpenOffice which is one humongous download that can't be split? We even recommend against installing the separate components because (a) there isn't much saving and (b) it may cause problems because the code is so tightly coupled. Also, I'm explicitly *not* asking for a monolith. I'm asking for separate components that use the same UI and share some data files like dictionaries. Fully in keeping with the UNIX philosophy. And why on earth should it not run on different platforms? OOo does; Firefox does; Thunderbird does. Why
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Please give Harold a chance to show us what TMP has in store for us before blazing you guns at him. Harold isn't going to show anyone what TMP is; TMP is whatever the community decides it to be. Some people, in previous discussions on this topic, have suggested it should be Pegasus. I don't know Pegasus at all. Others have suggested that Pegasus is too far away in many ways - no multilingual UI, software licensing issues etc. Others have suggested that TMP should be Thunderbird with some changes. Personally I'd be happy with that but I'm *not* advocating it particularly. All I'm trying to get at is the notion that OOo would benefit in a major way from being able *properly* to *cooperate* with a well featured mail system and with a well featured calendar system. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Please give Harold a chance to show us what TMP has in store for us before blazing you guns at him. Harold isn't going to show anyone what TMP is; TMP is whatever the community decides it to be. Some people, in previous discussions on this topic, have suggested. Snip All I'm trying to get at is the notion that OOo would benefit in a major way from being able *properly* to *cooperate* with a well featured mail system and with a well featured calendar system. Harold Fuchs London, England -Well that is exactly what this thread should be addressing-Hey what do other users think? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Question about installing OO on a Mac
Hello, I work on a G5 running on OSX3.9. I've just installed Open Office and cannot get it to operate. I tried reinstalling X11. The OO application opens if I double click on it or drag a file (e.g. pps) onto its icon, but then nothing happens and after a few seconds the program quits, leaving only the xterm window open. While OO is open, the items on the pop-up menu are grayed out. Am I missing something? Thanks, Susan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
Keith Bates wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:04:36 +0300 (EAT) Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: What is being called for is the ability to say - there is one ( or more ) email clients that works closely with the other modules in the package. Other than the ability to use OOo to create webpages that masquerade as email, what functionality does OOo need, to better integrate with email clients? My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org Could'nt have put it better myself Harold,That is the way to go! Sorry, I have to disagree. Firstly the assumption that an office suite should do everything one does in an office is an absolute fallacy. People might assume that's the way it is, but it doesn't make it right. I see nothing in the proposal that would assume that a suite should do everything. But the assumption is itself contradictory. Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? After all financial controls such as accounting, invoices, payroll, etc. etc. are core to any business. The only reason why we don't get hundreds of emails asking where is the accounting module is that Microsoft doesn't do it that way. One could make the point that the reason that we don't here the complaint were is the accounting module is because the accounting piece is used primarily by a small subset of people in an office where as the e-mail and calendering piece would possibly be more wide spread. People have been conditioned to make certain assumptions about what belongs and does not belong in an office suite. Or conversely people have come to there own conclusions of what they believe would best serve there needs in an office suite. Not everything that happens in the world is the result of some dark conspiracy. Regular people are quite capable of thinking and deciding things all on there own without being influenced by others. Does OO have to meet that assumption? I don't think so. We can suggest alternatives ways of doing things and that's fine. If it plans to compete in the area of office suites it had better listen to the assumptions of the people who are going to be using the software or it will fail no matter how good it is. Next, question is this: If we believe that email should come in pretty forms rather than just straight text, who determines what format all those pretty features are going to be in? It used to be html until MS in its infinite wisdom decided that email composition was a word processing feature not an email feature and changed the default into .doc format rather than html. So do we let people compose .doc or .odf in your TMP? Should proprietary document formats even be considered when sending documents by email (much less composed in an email program)? Since test and html are de facto standard in most all mail programs it would not be amiss to presume that they should be there in TMP as well. As far as I remember even when using Word as the mail editor in Outlook the final product is not a .doc formatted file. What about those silly schmucks like me that think email is best composed as a plain text format for most situations? What if we choose to use a non-Thunderbird, non-TMP program that is actually far better than Thunderbird (obviously I don't know what features TMP has!) at dealing with email. Then by all means continue to do what you do today. Nowhere in the proposal is there anything that says that one has to use them or even install them. How would you see this working in all the different operating systems that OOo is produced on? It would be particularly galling to linux users such as myself who believe in the philosophy that an application should just do one thing really well and communicate well with other applications rather than trying to do everything in one monolithic
Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
Jack D. Lewis wrote:
Marshall Feldman wrote the following on 5/15/2008 9:41 AM:
Hi,
Bill pointed out that the original link in my message didn't work.
(Do we
need any more proof for why Outlook needs to go?) Here is the correct
link.
http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419#10641.
Marsh Feldman
correct link:
http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419
I don't know why the trash at the end is added %E2%A6%91
--
Bill Drescher
william {at} TechServSys {dot} com
[users] Re: PLEASE, STOP SPAM
Richard Bane wrote: These are my sentiments exactly. This is the first time I've ever been punished for buying something. All I wanted find out how to make it default and had no idea I would get 75 emails. Please let up. Richard Bane You didn't have to buy OpenOffice, as it's a free download from www.openoffice.org. Are those messages coming from this list users@openoffice.org? If not, they have nothing to do with this list. Are those messages coming from whoever you bought OpenOffice from? If so, you'd better complain to them. Can you forward an example of that spam to this list? However, given that both of you apparently posted to the list and weren't moderated, I can only assume you are subscribed to this list. If so, this was something you did yourself and only you can unsubscribe. Unless they bought it elsewhere, and the spam is coming from elsewhere. I think the idea to have the OP post one of the spams is a good idea, just to make sure they aren't from elsewhere. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: How fill range ?
I need copy text Filter1 from A10 to A5000. But By Range, not row by row. Need speed and I think range is better than row by row. Jorge Gárate [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió en el mensaje news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi: Have Sheet with a column and is same data from row 9 to row 5000, have this to filters. This Sheet is make by my program, not human. How i can copy cell or data Filter1 in A9:A500 ? A try: oHoja:GetCellByPosition( 0, 9 ):SetString( GMN ) oRangoOrigen := oHoja:GetCellRangeByName(A9:A9):RangeAddress oRangoDestino := oHoja:GetCellRangeByName(A10:A5000):RangeAddress oHoja:CopyRange(oRangoOrigen, oRangoDestino ) // Copy But not work Help me please. Thanks Jorge - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Question about installing OO on a Mac
2008/5/16 Susan Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I work on a G5 running on OSX3.9. I've just installed Open Office and cannot get it to operate. I tried reinstalling X11. The OO application opens if I double click on it or drag a file (e.g. pps) onto its icon, but then nothing happens and after a few seconds the program quits, leaving only the xterm window open. While OO is open, the items on the pop-up menu are grayed out. Am I missing something? Thanks, Susan Hello Susan, Just to be sure on the versions side: • did you install X11 for Panther (Mac OS X 10.3.x; 10.3.9 in your case), available at the Apple website? http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html version is 1.0 (see X11 About X11) • did you install OpenOffice.org 2.1.0, the most recent running on Panther http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/x11-103.html Only the combination of these versions will run on your Mac PowerPC with Panther. If you have these installed, something else must be wrong... come back to this list if this is the case. -- Guy using dutch OOo Aqua Beta 3.0.0 (and older) on a iMac Intel DualCore Tiger and brazilian OOo SRC 680 m241 on an Intel MacBook Pro Leopard -- please reply only to users@openoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches
Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
Marshall Feldman wrote the following on 5/15/2008 8:45 PM: Jack, I don't know what's going wrong. The original problem was due to the fact that I'm using Outlook, and it was breaking the URL. The URL did not fit on a single line, and Outlook was inserting a newline in the address. The actual URL ends with 10641 To fix the problem, I rewrote the URL without any indentation, and this time if fit on a single line, so Outlook didn't mess with it. This time, when I received my message from users@openoffice.org, the link was intact and I had no trouble clicking on it to go to the web site. In any case, use this URL: http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419#10641 If the above URL is split between two lines, make sure there are no embedded spaces, and make sure the line ends with 10641. Marsh Feldman Marsh, In Thunderbird your linked text looks fine but the underlying link is not correct (at least for me). And no, the line wasn't split. The hyperlink itself ends with messageID=106419? In other words, the tail end of what is supposed to be the url - #10641 is cut off and a ? takes its place. So if you can click on the link in Outlook and get to the correct url then Outlook is doing a better job at it than Thunderbird is. At least that's the way TBird is acting on my machine. In spite of what the way TBird is acting, I did get to the url without too much difficulty. Copy and paste rather than clicking the link. My question now is, which software package did you use for your conversions to flash? SUPER or another program? I didn't see where you had replied to that question. -- Jack - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
From: Keith N. McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith Bates wrote: Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: OOo is a brilliant office application. It can do better. The way ahead is actually the way that Firefox has moved forward- plug-ins and extensions. OOo is just starting to move down that track and i think as extensions develop, many of these problems will be sorted out by third party developers working out add-ons that will meet specific needs. There is nothing in the proposal that would preclude TMP being done as an extension. A lot of people have put their two-cents in, so I will add mine. What ever happened to the term Modular programs? I am not talking about modules like C++ uses. I am talking about the idea that you have a set of programs that are put together to create a system of programs to do your tasks. Why not have a module for wordprocessing, another for spreadsheets, another for drawing, email, browser, etc.,etc.. All of these modules can share features, i.e.., email could use some of the editing features of the wordprocessor or the wordprocessor could send an email using some of the email features. If you do not like the wordprocessor module, you change it out for another one. Same goes for the email, drawing, browser modules. The connections between modules could be created, like stated above, through extensions and add-ons. How much integration or sharing of features could depend upon the module program and the extension that connects them. Firefox has an add-on that a menu add-on that goes to the OpenOffice.org web site. Why cannot such an add-on not open a OOo process when the file is not HTML. Have one that you can choose the software to use as the viewer/editor when you open/download a document from the net. There is one to decide if you want to view a PDF document within the browser, using an add-on PDF reader, or to open a different external program to view the PDF document, or thirdly, just save it for viewing later. Can the good people who writes these add-ons, etc., write one that gives you the ability to say: Documentview types with HTML- Firefox PDF- view with xyz PDF reader TXT - DOC - ODF - you get to add the document types and the default viewer/editors as you see fit. You could have another add-on in the email that allows you to choose what dictionary(s) you want to use for the spell checking, etc., thereby allowing you to choose one dictionary for all your applications. Also you can choose which email package you use to send the large document you just finished in your wordprocessor. Some of these ideas are partly covered my many different extensions and add-ons used in Firefox or OpenOffice.org. So many people want OOo to integrate with an email package, whether it is built by the OOo teams or they use someone else's package. Other people have lists of software package type they want to see on OOo. The modular/extension way is the only option I currently know of that would work. First use the extension/add-on idea to integrate the various software packages, then someday, design the software to be use as either standalone of as a module of a suite of software. Then you can choose what email that goes with what wordprocessor, that goes with what spreadsheet, that goes with what browser, etc., etc.. Tim L. retired mainframe programmer, a long winded and an avid believer in the open-source concept. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] What open source teaches publishers
I found this ZNet article. I think it has some good information about the Open Source concept of software, etc. It is a good read. What open source teaches publishers, posted by Dana Blankenhorn May 15th, 2008 http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2432tag=nl.e539
Re: [users] Extra Dictionary
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:07 AM, David Lowe wrote: Basically, unless the Wizard is vastly smarter in 3.0 than Their won't be an install dictionary Wizard for OOo 3.0. If the creator of the dictionary doesn't program it as an OOo extension, there will be no dictionary. any dictionaries that don't come pre-packaged specifically for OO. Contrary the impression given by most descriptions of the process, it is fairly easy to create a dictionary for OOoo 2.4, and lower. If they're already installed, why does the wizard even exist? There are spell checking dictionaries for OOo, for more than 100 languages. In theory, the dictionary wizard knows the location of each of those dictionaries, to install them for people who use them. xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] set current directory when open file
Hi, I use openoffice 2.4 on my linux machine and like it a lot. I often start openoffice from a terminal in a special directory, but when I use the open file menu function, the terminal directory is not the current open file dialog directory (but the last on from a previous openoffice session). Is there a chance to set it always to the current directory, where it was started from? Greetings! Fabian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/5/16 Keith N. McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Keith Bates wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:04:36 +0300 (EAT) Sammy Njuguna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: What is being called for is the ability to say - there is one ( or more ) email clients that works closely with the other modules in the package. Other than the ability to use OOo to create webpages that masquerade as email, what functionality does OOo need, to better integrate with email clients? My take. I have invented a *notional* program called The Mail Program which I will refer to as TMP. This *might* be an existing program that gets modified, Thunderbird for example, or a new program that gets written for the purpose. I don't much care except that Thunderbird comes close to fitting the bill already. But if there is a better candidate ... I also expect that whichever of OOo and TMP is installed *second* on a user's system will notice that the other is already there and configure itself accordingly, or at least to offer the user a choice (or series of choices) as to whether s/he wants this. I also expect that if TMP and OOo are both installed and if the user then uninstalls one of them, then the one that remains does *not* lose functionality. For example, with MS Office, if the user uninstalls Word, Outlook Express can no longer check spelling. As far as I am concerned this is just shoddy. The numbering below is for convenience only. I do *not* intend it to imply a priority ordering. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org Could'nt have put it better myself Harold,That is the way to go! Sorry, I have to disagree. Firstly the assumption that an office suite should do everything one does in an office is an absolute fallacy. People might assume that's the way it is, but it doesn't make it right. I see nothing in the proposal that would assume that a suite should do everything. But the assumption is itself contradictory. Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? After all financial controls such as accounting, invoices, payroll, etc. etc. are core to any business. The only reason why we don't get hundreds of emails asking where is the accounting module is that Microsoft doesn't do it that way. One could make the point that the reason that we don't here the complaint were is the accounting module is because the accounting piece is used primarily by a small subset of people in an office where as the e-mail and calendering piece would possibly be more wide spread. People have been conditioned to make certain assumptions about what belongs and does not belong in an office suite. Or conversely people have come to there own conclusions of what they believe would best serve there needs in an office suite. Not everything that happens in the world is the result of some dark conspiracy. Regular people are quite capable of thinking and deciding things all on there own without being influenced by others. Does OO have to meet that assumption? I don't think so. We can suggest alternatives ways of doing things and that's fine. If it plans to compete in the area of office suites it had better listen to the assumptions of the people who are going to be using the software or it will fail no matter how good it is. Next, question is this: If we believe that email should come in pretty forms rather than just straight text, who determines what format all those pretty features are going to be in? It used to be html until MS in its infinite wisdom decided that email composition was a word processing feature not an email feature and changed the default into .doc format rather than html. So do we let people compose .doc or .odf in your TMP? Should proprietary document formats even be considered when sending documents by email (much less composed in an email program)? Since test and html are de facto standard in most all mail programs it would not be amiss to presume that they should be there in TMP as well. As far as I remember even when using Word as the mail editor in Outlook the final product is not a .doc formatted file. What about those silly schmucks like me that think email is best composed as a plain text format for most situations? What if we choose to use a non-Thunderbird, non-TMP program that is actually far better than Thunderbird (obviously I don't know what features TMP has!) at dealing with email. Then by all means continue to do what you do today. Nowhere in the proposal is there anything that says that one has to use them or even install them. How would you see this working in all the different operating systems that OOo is produced on? It would be particularly galling to linux users such as myself who believe in the philosophy that
Re: [users] Question about installing OO on a Mac
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/5/16 Susan Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I work on a G5 running on OSX3.9. I've just installed Open Office and cannot get it to operate. I tried reinstalling X11. The OO application opens if I double click on it or drag a file (e.g. pps) onto its icon, but then nothing happens and after a few seconds the program quits, leaving only the xterm window open. While OO is open, the items on the pop-up menu are grayed out. Am I missing something? Thanks, Susan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
Hi Jack, Yeah, I know I have to get back to them. Once I finish dealing with a catastrophic error on WebCT and putting up my course for Summer Session, maybe I'll have a chance to do so. Yes, I used SUPER. It worked fine. I may also experiment with inserting narration directly into the PowerPoint presentation and editing the sound files with Audacity. PowerPoint appeared to be not recognizing my microphone, but it may be recording anyway. I wish Impress handled sound and flash translation better (i.e. that it handled animations and sound when it translates to flash). Then most of these machinations would be unnecessary. Marsh Feldman -Original Message- From: Jack D. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:07 AM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] RE: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft Marshall Feldman wrote the following on 5/15/2008 8:45 PM: Jack, I don't know what's going wrong. The original problem was due to the fact that I'm using Outlook, and it was breaking the URL. The URL did not fit on a single line, and Outlook was inserting a newline in the address. The actual URL ends with 10641 To fix the problem, I rewrote the URL without any indentation, and this time if fit on a single line, so Outlook didn't mess with it. This time, when I received my message from users@openoffice.org, the link was intact and I had no trouble clicking on it to go to the web site. In any case, use this URL: http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419#1064 1 If the above URL is split between two lines, make sure there are no embedded spaces, and make sure the line ends with 10641. Marsh Feldman Marsh, In Thunderbird your linked text looks fine but the underlying link is not correct (at least for me). And no, the line wasn't split. The hyperlink itself ends with messageID=106419? In other words, the tail end of what is supposed to be the url - #10641 is cut off and a ? takes its place. So if you can click on the link in Outlook and get to the correct url then Outlook is doing a better job at it than Thunderbird is. At least that's the way TBird is acting on my machine. In spite of what the way TBird is acting, I did get to the url without too much difficulty. Copy and paste rather than clicking the link. My question now is, which software package did you use for your conversions to flash? SUPER or another program? I didn't see where you had replied to that question. -- Jack - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Project Manager to Save and Restore Current State of All OOo Windows
Alex Janssen said the following on 5/15/2008 11:08 PM: Please vote for this idea if you like it. I guess it would be helpful if I gave you the link to this issue so you could vote easily. :-o http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=51131 -- Alex P Janssen Jr 3350 Watts Station Drive Charlottesville, VA 22911 434-973-8712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Project Manager to Save and Restore Current State of All OOo Windows
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=51131 2008/5/16 Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alex Janssen said the following on 5/15/2008 11:08 PM: Please vote for this idea if you like it. I guess it would be helpful if I gave you the link to this issue so you could vote easily. :-o http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=51131 -- Alex P Janssen Jr 3350 Watts Station Drive Charlottesville, VA 22911 434-973-8712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Impress: PowerPoint narration - save me from microsoft
On 05/15/2008 08:41 AM, Marshall Feldman wrote: [snip] Marshall Feldman wrote: Hi, I am trying to use Flash instead of interactive HTML, and I looked at Impress about a year ago and rejected it for this purpose. Impress simply did not support animations and sounds adequately. Instead, I've been using the method posted here: http://discussions.blackboard.com/jive4/thread.jspa?messageID=106419 corrected html link . I think you could adopt it to Impress without too much trouble. If your ppt is already narrated, you should be able to find the sound files. (I think ppt narration uses one file per slide.) Then, instead of recording, use Audacity to edit the sound track. If you're not using Windoze, you'd have to find some other tools for the dynamic screen capture, combining/editing the sound and video, and transcoding. BTW, if Impress every got its act together for flash, html, and other conversions, it would immediately become a killer app since, to the best of my knowledge, no easy to use, affordable (free) interactive flash/html program exists. You can export your Impress presentation to flash that will run on a browser. Unfortunately, I know of no way to get the sound to embed into the Impress produced flash without further flash modification software. However, while looking into this, I found: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=76207 which points to a rather interesting project that never seemed to take off: http://zebo.org/slideshow/index.html?n http://www.exelearning.org/ http://www.exelearning.org/GreenPapers/SlideshowiDevice http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg/flash_idevices Maybe OOo could get someone from Google Summer of Code to work on this type of project. Another possible alternative is the ability to export to html Webcast. I've never done it, but it looks to have some interesting possibilities. Checkout 'webcast' help, or: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Getting_Started/Saving_Impress_presentations_as_web_pages Also see: http://blogs.sun.com/oootnt/entry/publishing_your_impress_presentation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Question about installing OO on a Mac
Guy, Thanks so much. I will try Open Office 2.1. Susan On May 16, 2008, at 17:07, Guy Voets wrote: 2008/5/16 Susan Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I work on a G5 running on OSX3.9. I've just installed Open Office and cannot get it to operate. I tried reinstalling X11. The OO application opens if I double click on it or drag a file (e.g. pps) onto its icon, but then nothing happens and after a few seconds the program quits, leaving only the xterm window open. While OO is open, the items on the pop-up menu are grayed out. Am I missing something? Thanks, Susan Hello Susan, Just to be sure on the versions side: • did you install X11 for Panther (Mac OS X 10.3.x; 10.3.9 in your case), available at the Apple website? http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html version is 1.0 (see X11 About X11) • did you install OpenOffice.org 2.1.0, the most recent running on Panther http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/x11-103.html Only the combination of these versions will run on your Mac PowerPC with Panther. If you have these installed, something else must be wrong... come back to this list if this is the case. -- Guy using dutch OOo Aqua Beta 3.0.0 (and older) on a iMac Intel DualCore Tiger and brazilian OOo SRC 680 m241 on an Intel MacBook Pro Leopard -- please reply only to users@openoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Question about installing OO on a Mac
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/5/16 Susan Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guy, Thanks so much. I will try Open Office 2.1. Susan On May 16, 2008, at 17:07, Guy Voets wrote: 2008/5/16 Susan Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I work on a G5 running on OSX3.9. I've just installed Open Office and cannot get it to operate. I tried reinstalling X11. The OO application opens if I double click on it or drag a file (e.g. pps) onto its icon, but then nothing happens and after a few seconds the program quits, leaving only the xterm window open. While OO is open, the items on the pop-up menu are grayed out. Am I missing something? Thanks, Susan Hello Susan, Just to be sure on the versions side: • did you install X11 for Panther (Mac OS X 10.3.x; 10.3.9 in your case), available at the Apple website? http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11formacosx.html version is 1.0 (see X11 About X11) • did you install OpenOffice.org 2.1.0, the most recent running on Panther http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/x11-103.html Only the combination of these versions will run on your Mac PowerPC with Panther. If you have these installed, something else must be wrong... come back to this list if this is the case. -- Guy using dutch OOo Aqua Beta 3.0.0 (and older) on a iMac Intel DualCore Tiger and brazilian OOo SRC 680 m241 on an Intel MacBook Pro Leopard -- please reply only to users@openoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Extra Dictionary
2008/5/16 jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:07 AM, David Lowe wrote: Basically, unless the Wizard is vastly smarter in 3.0 than Their won't be an install dictionary Wizard for OOo 3.0. If the creator of the dictionary doesn't program it as an OOo extension, there will be no dictionary. Huh? Please explain, someone. Please. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
[users] Impress 2.2 and video
I have OOo 2.4 on Ubuntu and all works well. However, I will be using version 2.2/Windows when I make a presentation in class a couple weeks from now, because that is what is installed on the university's computer. I think both versions can play AVI, MPEG, Quicktime and Vivo files, so I don't think the version difference will be an issue. My problem is that the video I need to play came to me in .flv format (from Youtube). The video is at 320 x 240, 28.874 fps, total 13,717 frames. When played on the screen in the classroom the resolution is pretty bad. And, of course, it needs to be converted to another format for Impress anyway. I started trying ffmpeg (a command line tool), but couldn't figure it out. I know nothing of how video works, so I failed to understand what any of the options do. I had better luck with avidemux. At least it is a GUI. I managed to improve the video by using noise filters, but I can't get the sound to work in the output file. Again, there are a bewildering array of options and I don't understand how they work or what they're for. Can anyone suggest a simple Linux tool for converting .flv to .avi or .mpeg and resampling the video? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Impress 2.2 and video
On 05/16/2008 05:28 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: I have OOo 2.4 on Ubuntu and all works well. However, I will be using version 2.2/Windows when I make a presentation in class a couple weeks from now, because that is what is installed on the university's computer. I think both versions can play AVI, MPEG, Quicktime and Vivo files, so I don't think the version difference will be an issue. My problem is that the video I need to play came to me in .flv format (from Youtube). The video is at 320 x 240, 28.874 fps, total 13,717 frames. When played on the screen in the classroom the resolution is pretty bad. And, of course, it needs to be converted to another format for Impress anyway. I started trying ffmpeg (a command line tool), but couldn't figure it out. I know nothing of how video works, so I failed to understand what any of the options do. I had better luck with avidemux. At least it is a GUI. I managed to improve the video by using noise filters, but I can't get the sound to work in the output file. Again, there are a bewildering array of options and I don't understand how they work or what they're for. Can anyone suggest a simple Linux tool for converting .flv to .avi or .mpeg and resampling the video? Did you try WinFF as I suggested in your previous thread regarding this? It is a GUI frontend for ffmpeg. Drop me a note off list and I'll be happy to help you get it converted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Extra Dictionary
On May 16, 2008, at 09:55 , jonathon wrote: Their won't be an install dictionary Wizard for OOo 3.0. If the creator of the dictionary doesn't program it as an OOo extension, there will be no dictionary. Is there a rationale given for why the OOo team is turning their backs on these freely available dictionaries? Refusing to recognize a commonly available file format is too much reminiscent of the behavior of certain non open source programs i can think of... -- Using a rusty Amiga 4000T, a shiny PowerMac G5, a homebuilt Ubuntu box It's cheaper to drag the Joneses down to your level. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] OOo Functionality to Support e-mail
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Sammy Njuguna wrote: Why do we not hear any requests for integration of financial software into OO? a) At least once a week there is an indirect request for that functionality. By indirect, I mean somebody wanting to know why program x doesn't work with OOo the way it works with MSO; b) There is a distinct lack of documentation on how to integrate applications as OOo extensions; -That now is the beauty of OOo,you can customize it to suit your application needs as a user at your convenience via addons and extensions. I beg to differ since currently only MS certifications are widely acceptable by most employers-at least from my part of the world Does MOUS certification really count for anything in your part of the world? Where I live, it would have been used as a reason _not_ to hire somebody. hence the need to upgrade OOo to certification level, http://theingots.org/moodle/ The issue is getting companies to accept INGOTS training. From an HR perspective, it has one major deficiency --- it does not mandate training for a _specific_ office suite. Most HR departments consider that generic training is the same as no training at all --- to the point that even though an individual can explain how to use advanced features of a software program they saw for the first time ten minutes ago, they will still define that individual as being computer illiterate. Let us start with the basics. The issue is whether or not email is a basic for an office suite, or an Internet suite. It is a fact that this Software manufacturer owns 95% of the Market That fact is extremely debatable. The first issue is how the market is defined. The second issue is how the survey of that market is done. The usual way of determining market share is by the dollar volume generated by each competitor in that market. This gives rise to the situation where, in a US$10,000,000 market, a company that sells one item, for US$5,000,000 has a fifty percent market share, whilst the guy who sells 10,000,000 units for one mil each, has a 0.01% market share. extensions. OOo is just starting to move down that track and i think as extensions develop, many of these problems will be sorted out by third party developers working out add-ons that will meet specific needs. Thats correct Keith,100% correct :-) If the documentation on how to do that is easily accessed, and understandable to people who don't know the programming language used for OOo. Using the documentation for BASE an an example, I doubt that extensions will proliferate for OOo the way they have for Firefox. And why doesn't Ooo have a podcatcher built in? After all I use my office computer to download and play music- that make it an office function for me :-) I think we have agreed to deal with basic office requirements first.heh heh.. Currently, OOo can play music. In theory, one can write an extension to play a stream from Lucky 7, or any other streaming radio one wants to listen to. Harold wrote: So cooperation between modules not monolith; common UI, not separate ones; shared files not copies with double updating; separate downloads of required components; separate installation of required components; Help files and documentation that are consistent across components instead of different; and so on. +1 xan jonathon -- OOo can not correct for incompetence in creating documents from MSO. Furthermore,OOo can not compensate for the defective and flawed security measures used by Microsoft. As such, before using this product for exams that require faulty and defective software, ensure that you will not be unjustly penalized for the incompetence of the organization that requires the use of software that is known to be flawed, defective, bug-ridden, and fails to meet ISO file format standards. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
