[users] Re: Help color bug

[emf]

Hi, Brian.

On 2008-08-25 00:33 Brian Barker wrote:

At 19:54 24/08/2008 -0400, Eustace Noname wrote:
In my computer I use white text on blue background. When I open Help, 
the page contains a white rectangular box with white letters which are 
unreadable. If I highlight the text, everything is black. To read what 
is inside the rectangle I have to either change the system's colors or 
to copy it and paste it a new document, where I can change the color 
of the font and read it.


Has this bug been reported, and if not, how do I go about reporting it?

It goes without saying that they should have specified both background 
and foreground color in the Help rectangles, or have not specified a 
background color at all and have it stand out with a border.


How are you setting white-on-blue?  If I select blue at Tools | 
Options... | OpenOffice.org | Appearance | Custom colors | Document 
background, the text colour automatically becomes white even with "Font 
color" still set to Automatic.  The only problem with the help text is 
then that the links, being blue, disappear into the blue background.  
You may be doing something slightly different, but these suggestions may 
nevertheless help.


In Windows XP I set white-on-blue by right-clicking on the desktop > 
Properties > Appearance > Advanced > Item: Window : the background is 
Color 1 and the foreground is Color 2.


o  Try using a different shade of blue, e.g. "Blue 4" for the background 
- and then setting "Font color" to White.


I haven't changed any of the  OpenOffice.org | Appearance | Custom 
colors | Document background colors. All are set to Automatic. (I have 
only unchecked the Text boundaries which I didn't like.)


o  The help text display is controlled by the HTML Document display 
settings.  Go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer/Web | 
Background, and choose a different background colour there - possibly a 
different blue or just white.  (This is the setting you have been 
looking for, I think.)


When I tried the change the HTML Document display settings as you 
suggest, I could change the background of the Help but *not* the 
background of the rectangular box (table) which always remains white.


o  (Simplest of all)  Go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org | 
Accessibility | Options for high contrast appearance, and put a tick by 
"Use automatic font color for screen display".  You will still see 
white-on-blue in your documents, but the help text should be visible.


That also does not change the background of the table.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


If you have Windows XP (I suspect Vista also) right-click on the desktop 
> Properties > Appearance > Advanced > Item: Window, and reverse Color 
1 and Color 2.


Open

http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/temporary/OOHelp.jpg

to see what I see over here. Is there any way to correct _that_? (Though 
I would prefer if I didn't have to correct it by manipulating the 
OOWriter colors, since occasionally I do use "regular" colors.) I really 
wouldn't mind what colors they use in Help, as long as it is readable.


Thanks,

Eustace

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[users] Tables for text

[Rob Clement]

I have recently come across some "templates" for openoffice that seem to 
be doing things the wrong way. They are odf files and not proper 
openoffice templates is the first problem. The second problem us that in 
order to prevent the text spilling over onto some "pretty" borders on 
the background the designer has used tables.


My questions are:

Would any of you use tables to constrain text into a confined area on 
the page?
Why would you not use paragraph formats in order to constrain the text 
so as to keep within the borders?
These "templates" use a manual TOC as the chapter headings are all text 
within tables rather than using the heading1 format. Is there any 
advantage to using this on an eBook?


Thanks for your replies

Rob

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Re: [users] bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[Jonathon Coombes]

On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 02:37 -0400, H.S. wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am writing a technical report using Ooo 2.4.1 on Debian Linux. It is
> an experiment to see how OOo performs for an engineering report or paper
> writing.

Sounds like an interesting project.

> In my experience, OOo has most of the features covered as far as text
> body, headings and lists are concerned. Figure and table captions have
> still somethings to be desired for but they work for most purposes.
> Export to PDF is good, but hyperlinking in the produced PDF is not up to
> the mark. Equations and math are also coming along great, though they do
> not compare with LaTeX yet.

Maybe you could give some details as to the problems you have
experienced? Did you file a bug report or feature request to get
improvements into OOo?

> As far as technical writing is concerned, the bibliography feature sucks
> big time. Without this feature working intuitively and conveniently, OOo
> will not be adopted by the technical writing community.

How do you define "working intuitively and conveniently"? Will your
definition also be applicable for say a doctor doing research using
OOo's bibliography? Does the technical writing community see the
bibliography tool in OOo as the biggest hurdle or is there some other
reason? How does the tool "suck" and can you describe your needs in a
more technical manner so that maybe some help could be offered?

> I hope that this features is being worked on in the newer features. Any
> news how it is coming along?

There are a number of different methods that allow OOo to be extended or
improved. One such way is via plugins. Have you seen the Zotero tool and
the plugin that provides intergration into OOo, as well as many other
useful packages and Internet sites? I would recommend trying this out
and see if that is more to your needs.

http://www.zotero.org/documentation/plugins

> On the other hand, if this features is of low priority, then I will have
> to conclude that OOo is not for serious technical report and paper
> writing in its present shape.

Low priority for who?! It is of limited use to somebody who does
computer programming, maybe of some importance to secretarial workers
and it seems to be of major importance to technical writers. The
features however are rated and developed based on the needs of all users
and this feature may take back seat to something more important such as
database reporting or integrating draw capabilities better with Writer,
for example.

Regards
Jonathon

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Re: [users] Re: Testing requests for two new features ??

[William Case]

Hi Barbara;

Thanks for the interest in this problem.

On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 23:31 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > Hi Barbara;
> >
> > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 21:57 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> >   
> >> William Case wrote:
> >> 
> >
> >   
> >> Are you actually pulling up the "Applied Styles" subset of the various 
> >> style types, using the dropdown selection at the bottom of the list? 
> >> Those would seem to work as you'd like, except that you have to first 
> >> select whether you are looking for a page, paragraph, or character 
> >> style. You might need to go to "Custom Styles" if you want one of yours 
> >> that isn't currently in use in the document. The situation you describe 
> >> is more what I'd expect from the "Automatic" or "All" selection.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > I will reconstruct my speeches template.  It needs some changes in any
> > case, and see if I can get the Applied Styles to work the way you
> > suggest.  Right now it is giving me far too many unused style options.

I just spent a couple of hours re-building my speeches template.  It
really shouldn't have taken that long but I thought I would use the time
to experiment with the various styles I use.  As well, I decided to make
some new font choices and line spacing, margins etc. to get a more
accurate word count/timing per page etc.

I did run into two problems that are worth looking at.

I opened two documents; one blank to be the new template and another
that contained a finished speech and ran them side by side. I wrote a
new set of styles based on the ones I had already been using -- saving
or changing as I went.  When I finished I reduced my new template to a
set of 3 or 4 ¶ (pilcrow) signs so that only the styles remained.  I
saved the template and reopened.

I found the following:

1. The 'Apply Style' control contained
Clear Formatting ... [OK]
Default  [OK]
Heading  [n/a]
Heading 1 .. [n/a]
Heading 2 .. [n/a]
Heading 3 .. [n/a]
Speech Body  [custom]
Speech Header2 . [custom]
Speech Title ... [custom]
Text body .. [n/a]
More...  ... [OK]

Those marked OK weren't put there by anything I did, but appear to be
standard enough.  n/a are not styles I used or created.  I have double
checked that none of them are included in my custom styles organizer as
'next' or 'link'.  Speeches do not use Headings.

My 'Custom Styles' shows only my truly self-created/modified styles.
They are Speech Body, Speech Header, Speech Header2 and Speech Title .
Speech Header is not part of the Template but I created it for those
speeches that need a dateline etc.

'Applied' shows Speech Body, Speech Header2 and Speech Title 

> You might check the "Custom Styles" list, too. If you use only your own 
> custom styles for a particular document type, that may actually amount 
> to the "group" you're after. 

Yes it almost does. Cross checking with Applied gives me an even fuller
list.  I would still like to be able to have some styles of my choosing
that are not part of the template showing in the "Apply Style" control.
But I must admit it is becoming reduced to a matter of my own personal
quirks.

> If there are some standard ones that you 
> use as well, you could duplicate them under another name and apply those 
> custom styles as necessary, to get the right group. But if "Applied 
> Styles" is showing something you don't think you're using, that's an 
> indication that it really is being used somewhere in the document. 

I have double checked that there are no loose pilcrows, nexts or links. 

> If it 
> truly is not, you may have found a bug. Maybe you could store an example 
> somewhere on the web for us to look at (actually, I think attachments of 
> ODF file types make it through the filters onto the list).
> 
Page numbering also gave me a problem.  I was able to insert a page
number normally and was able to change the start-of-count number in Text
Flow successfully.  But I wanted to do something a bit different that I
finally got working but was a bit of a hack.

Instead of putting the page number in the right side of the header I
wanted to put the time in minutes each page should take so that speaker
can judge how long he/she has gone on compared to the allotted time.
I.e.  min. ... 0 on the top of the first page, min. ... 1 on the top of
the second and so on.  

I could set the text flow for the Speech Header to 0 but the page #
field would only display starting with 1.  By going to Ctrl+F2, or
Insert => Fields => Other and offsetting by -1 I finally got it to work.

This post is probably more than you wanted to read, but it did give me
an opportunity to double check my setup.

-- 
Regards Bill
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Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1


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Re: [users] bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[Rob Clement]

Jonathon Coombes wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 02:37 -0400, H.S. wrote:

Hello,

I am writing a technical report using Ooo 2.4.1 on Debian Linux. It is
an experiment to see how OOo performs for an engineering report or paper
writing.


Sounds like an interesting project.


In my experience, OOo has most of the features covered as far as text
body, headings and lists are concerned. Figure and table captions have
still somethings to be desired for but they work for most purposes.
Export to PDF is good, but hyperlinking in the produced PDF is not up to
the mark. Equations and math are also coming along great, though they do
not compare with LaTeX yet.


Maybe you could give some details as to the problems you have
experienced? Did you file a bug report or feature request to get
improvements into OOo?


As far as technical writing is concerned, the bibliography feature sucks
big time. Without this feature working intuitively and conveniently, OOo
will not be adopted by the technical writing community.


How do you define "working intuitively and conveniently"? Will your
definition also be applicable for say a doctor doing research using
OOo's bibliography? Does the technical writing community see the
bibliography tool in OOo as the biggest hurdle or is there some other
reason? How does the tool "suck" and can you describe your needs in a
more technical manner so that maybe some help could be offered?


I hope that this features is being worked on in the newer features. Any
news how it is coming along?


There are a number of different methods that allow OOo to be extended or
improved. One such way is via plugins. Have you seen the Zotero tool and
the plugin that provides intergration into OOo, as well as many other
useful packages and Internet sites? I would recommend trying this out
and see if that is more to your needs.

http://www.zotero.org/documentation/plugins


On the other hand, if this features is of low priority, then I will have
to conclude that OOo is not for serious technical report and paper
writing in its present shape.


Low priority for who?! It is of limited use to somebody who does
computer programming, maybe of some importance to secretarial workers
and it seems to be of major importance to technical writers. The
features however are rated and developed based on the needs of all users
and this feature may take back seat to something more important such as
database reporting or integrating draw capabilities better with Writer,
for example.

Regards
Jonathon

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I agree that the Zotero addon for both Firefox (and some other browsers) 
and OpenOffice is definitely the way to go


Rob

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[users] Registration

[Alex Kapolchok]

Hi, I have your program on my desktop. I need to install it on my laptop. I 
guess I'll need to code or product key to do that. 
I signed up with this email address. My name is Alex Kapolchok. I'm not sure 
what other info you need to verify that its me.

Regards,

Alex

Re: [users] spreadsheet problem

[sreed94409]

 

 I have windows XP and I downloaded the new open office 2.4.  I had the old open office 2.0 and it wouldn't run it either.  It is a spreadsheet done in excel.  I would really love to be able to use it.  I can make copies and do it manually, but it would be great to be able to use it as it was intended.  Thanks again, Sara

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> On 24/08/2008 13:24, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > On 08/21/2008 05:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I downloaded a spreadsheet from a friend that was in excel.  It says 
> >> it is (read only) and is
> >> not functional.  What can I do to make it functional?
> >>
> >>   
> > I didn't see a response to this. Please tell us what platform you are 
> > on (Windows, Mac, Linux), and what version of OpenOffice. I've found 
> > that opening an Excel document that is opened by another person will 
> > come up as read-only or if the Linux permissions and ownership on the 
> > document do not give you write privilege you can get a doc in read only.
> >
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[users] OpenOffice 3.0 beta with OS X Leopard: email account settings fail

[Gary Church]

Hello folks,

I'm trying to use OpenOffice for mail merging documents to email my  
students.


I'm using the v3.0 beta on OS X Leopard.

Within the Options settings, under "Internet," I've selected my E-mail  
program as /Applications/Mail.app


under "OOo-dev Writer" I selected "Mail Merge E-mail" and entered in  
the settings for my internet provider (Comcast for me):


SMTP Server name: smtp.comcast.net,
Port: 587

Under Server Authentication I checked the "outgoing mail server  
requires authentication" and selected "same authentication as incoming  
mail server" with settings:


Incoming server name: mail.comcast.net
Port: 110
Type: POP 3

and entered in my user name and password.

These are the same settings I use for other mail clients (Entourage,  
Mac Mail, Thunderbird).


When I select "Test Settings," I get "Failed" on both "Establish  
network connection" and "Find outgoing mail server"


Any idea of what I might be doing wrong here?

Thanks much for any insights you can share with me.


Gary Church
Professor of Mathematics
College of San Mateo
(650) 574-6621
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[users] [moderated]Start-up problems

[David Shine]

This morning I have spent 3 hours so far trying to downloas open office via 
Firefox.

I first went to a site claiming to be you ( their phone number is 866-903-4555) 
and although claiming to be free I paid $49+ to join. I installed their product 
but nothing came to my desktop. I called the 24 hour 866 number and no one was 
there.

I then tried another site from the Firefox search and this time I was lucky. I 
think I got it. Spent a long time downloading and installing. I now have the 
following icons on my desktop: - Open office(EN-US), Open office 2.4 and 
OOo-2.4.1. The first two icons just give me a list of installation files and 
the third tries to reinstall.

Help please

David Shine - (registered as [EMAIL PROTECTED])

[users] uninstall openoffice

[esteban keklikian]

How do I remove openoffice from my Mac?

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[users] Having difficulty

[Ace-Jan Weeks]

I downloaded OpenOffice in April and haven't been able to figure out how to use 
it. We have the 97 version of Microsoft Office and when we receive email 
attachments (Word or Power Point) they go directly to the Open Office version.
As you can tell, I'm not very computer savvy but have been using Word since 
'97. If I try to find Open Office Word, the only files I can find are the 
"installation files." What am I doing wrong?

Ace/Jan Weeks
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[users] [moderated]

[Elmo Hartman]

How do I open openoffice so I can write a letter? Where is this information 
located? Can I make a short cut and open the program?

Elmo Hartman
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Re: [users] Having difficulty - Initial Use of OpenOffice

[Harold Fuchs]

2008/8/24 Ace-Jan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I downloaded OpenOffice in April and haven't been able to figure out how to
> use it. We have the 97 version of Microsoft Office and when we receive email
> attachments (Word or Power Point) they go directly to the Open Office
> version.
> As you can tell, I'm not very computer savvy but have been using Word since
> '97. If I try to find Open Office Word, the only files I can find are the
> "installation files." What am I doing wrong?
>
> Ace/Jan Weeks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Not sure. It sounds as if you have installed the software correctly. The
procedure was to download a (largish) file which is the installer program.
You then presumably ran that program and it then installed the software.
Three things will have been left behind:
1. The installer program you downloaded
2. A folder, which you will have chosen during the first part of the
installation procedure, containg the installation files.
3. The installed software itself in a folder you may have chosen during the
second part of the installation process, *probably* under C:\Program Files.
If you did a standard installation you didn't get to choose this folder and
it will be under C:\Program Files. If you did a custom installation you will
have been given the choice of folders ...

Numbers 1 & 2 can safely be deleted, leaving only the software itself. After
the complete procedure you should have an OpenOffice "group" under Start>All
Programs. Within that group are shortcuts for the various components:
Writer, Calc, Impress and so on.

During installation you will have been asked how you want Word, Excel etc.
documents treated; they can either be opened automatically using the
Microsoft programs or using the OpenOffice programs; your choice. Whichever
you chose as the "default" you can always use the other by right clicking on
the file, choosing "Open With ..." and then choosing the relevant program.
Or you can just run the relevant program and do File>Open.

I'm not sure from your description exactly what the problem is. From what
you said, your e-mail attachments seem to open OK in OpenOffice. Perhaps you
have missed the "group" under Start>All Programs ???

OpenOffice has the following components that correspond to Microsoft Office
programs:
OpenOffice   Microsoft
WriterWord
Calc  Excel
ImpressPowerpoint
BaseAccess
Math- functionality in Word to create mathematical formulae
using special characters and fonts
Draw  - functionality in Word for drawing diagrams and pictures

If I've misunderstood, please come back with more details ...

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London, England
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Re: [users] uninstall openoffice

[Harold Fuchs]

2008/8/24 esteban keklikian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> How do I remove openoffice from my Mac?
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I believe you drag it to the trash can just like with any other program on a
Mac.

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Re: [users] Subscription OOo User

[James Knott]

ALBERT ACERO wrote:

I want to subscribe as advanced user of openoffice.org in Colombia to have
the opportunity to receive support technician and to solve questions that
sometimes arise in connection with the use of this magnificent software. I
want to be included in some list or in some Community of Users of
Openoffice.org of Hispanic speech. Nevertheless also I speak English.
  


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Re: [users] Registration

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Alex Kapolchok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:59:54 -0700 (PDT)

> Hi, I have your program on my desktop. I need to install it on my
> laptop. I guess I'll need to code or product key to do that. I signed
> up with this email address. My name is Alex Kapolchok. I'm not sure
> what other info you need to verify that its me.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alex

If you had told us which OS (Operating System - eg. Linux, Mac, Solaris,
Windows, etc.) are you using, we could have given more detailed
information about installing OOo (OpenOffice.org).

This link gives general installation information for various OSs:
http://download.openoffice.org/common/instructions.html
For a Windows installation, the links on this page should help:
http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/category_index/setup.html

You do NOT need any code or product key to install OOo, because it is
FOSS (Free Open Source Software). See: http://why.openoffice.org

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Re: [users] Registration

[James Knott]

Alex Kapolchok wrote:
Hi, I have your program on my desktop. I need to install it on my laptop. I guess I'll need to code or product key to do that. 
I signed up with this email address. My name is Alex Kapolchok. I'm not sure what other info you need to verify that its me.


  


All you have to do, to install on the laptop, is download the latest 
version from www.openoffice.org and install it.  There is no code or key 
required.


What is it you're referring to, that you registered for?  Registration 
for OpenOffice is optional.



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Re: [users] Envelopes printing

[James Knott]

Reverend Anderson wrote:

Hello good day,


I will like to know you do print Envelopes. If yes, I will like to 
print the one with the size (Envelope size: 4 3/4" x 6 1/2" ). I have 
attached the TEXT which I will like you to print on the Envelopes and 
I will like you to get me the quote of  40,000 copies and 60,000 
copies excluding the shipping cost as well as the form of payment you 
accept.




I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place.  This mail list is for 
supporting OpenOffice, an open source office suite.  You should be 
contacting someone who does printing, such as a commercial job printer 
or some office supply stores, such as Staples, Kinkos etc.


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Re: [users] [moderated]Start-up problems

[James Knott]

David Shine wrote:

This morning I have spent 3 hours so far trying to downloas open office via 
Firefox.

I first went to a site claiming to be you ( their phone number is 866-903-4555) 
and although claiming to be free I paid $49+ to join. I installed their product 
but nothing came to my desktop. I called the 24 hour 866 number and no one was 
there.

I then tried another site from the Firefox search and this time I was lucky. I 
think I got it. Spent a long time downloading and installing. I now have the 
following icons on my desktop: - Open office(EN-US), Open office 2.4 and 
OOo-2.4.1. The first two icons just give me a list of installation files and 
the third tries to reinstall.

  


Where did you download it from.  The best place to get it is 
www.openoffice.org.


Assuming you're running Windows, you download OpenOffice and then double 
click on the download file.  This will start the installation process.   
When that's complete, there should be an OpenOffice folder and icons in 
your Start menu.  Use the icons to start the various OpenOffice 
components.  Once installation is complete, you can delete the desktop 
folders.  If you don't have OpenOffice in your start menu, then do the 
install, using 2.4.1.



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Re: [users] Envelopes printing

[Dave Barton]

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Subject: [users] Envelopes printing
From: Reverend Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Aug 2008 21:13:40 -

> Hello good day,
> 
> 
> I will like to know you do print Envelopes. If yes, I will like to print
> the one with the size (Envelope size: 4 3/4" x 6 1/2" ). I have attached
> the TEXT which I will like you to print on the Envelopes and I will like
> you to get me the quote of  40,000 copies and 60,000 copies excluding
> the shipping cost as well as the form of payment you accept.
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards
> Rev. Kenneth Anderson.

Please don't bother responding to this post. These scam merchants have
been posting this stuff to the Tutorials for OpenOffice project for
weeks. It appears to be just spam, but the attachment (removed by the
list server) may be malicious.

Dave




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Re: [users] Having difficulty

[James Knott]

Ace-Jan Weeks wrote:

I downloaded OpenOffice in April and haven't been able to figure out how to use 
it. We have the 97 version of Microsoft Office and when we receive email 
attachments (Word or Power Point) they go directly to the Open Office version.
As you can tell, I'm not very computer savvy but have been using Word since '97. If I try 
to find Open Office Word, the only files I can find are the "installation 
files." What am I doing wrong?

  


If your attachments are being opened by OpenOffice, then it must be 
installed and you should see an OpenOffice folder & icons in your Start 
menu.  You can use those icons to start the various OpenOffice 
components.  You can use OpenOffice, as you would any office suite, such 
as Microsoft Office and you can have both Microsoft Office and 
OpenOffice on the same computer, if you wish.  Your attachments are 
going to OpenOffice because, during the installation, you told 
OpenOffice to be the default application for Microsoft Office files.  If 
this is not what you want, you can change it back to Microsoft Office, 
by following these directions.



Changing file associations

Right click on file icon
Select Open With > Choose Program...
Check "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file" and 
choose the desired application.

If that method is not available, follow the directions listed here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307859

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Re: [users] [moderated]

[James Knott]

Elmo Hartman wrote:

How do I open openoffice so I can write a letter? Where is this information 
located? Can I make a short cut and open the program?

  


Assuming you're running Windows, there should be an OpenOffice folder 
and icons in your Start menu.  You can use the icons to start the 
various OpenOffice components.  You want to use "Writer" for your letter.



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Re: [users] [moderated]Start-up problems

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: David Shine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:39:07 -0400

> This morning I have spent 3 hours so far trying to downloas open
> office via Firefox.
> 
> I first went to a site claiming to be you ( their phone number is
> 866-903-4555) and although claiming to be free I paid $49+ to join. I
> installed their product but nothing came to my desktop. I called the
> 24 hour 866 number and no one was there.
> 
> I then tried another site from the Firefox search and this time I was
> lucky. I think I got it. Spent a long time downloading and
> installing. I now have the following icons on my desktop: - Open
> office(EN-US), Open office 2.4 and OOo-2.4.1. The first two icons
> just give me a list of installation files and the third tries to
> reinstall.
> 
> Help please
> 
> David Shine

The OpenOffice.org software is free and the correct download address is:
http://www.openoffice.org (note: .org not .com) If you paid for just a
download link, you should contact the site that charged you and your
credit card company, requesting a refund.

You appear to running MS Windows, so the links on this page should help
you get the software installed:
http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/category_index/setup.html

Dave
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Re: [users] Who needs file locking?

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/25 Ganesha Bhaskara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I store my data files on an subversion repository on Amazon S3 using
> jungledisk.
> Concurrent writes are detected by subversion program in addition to
> versioning
> all my changes. Locking by openoffice.org itself is not critical for me.

I agree that users who have implemented their own SVN repos do not
need their software to lock files that may be written by multiple
users, in the case that SVN can merge the changes for the specific
file format in question. Can SVN merge changes to ODF files? DOC
files?

Now the question remains: does the typical OOo user implement his own SVN repo?

For users who have not implemented their own SVN repos, file locking
is critical. Not only in the case of multiple users writing at the
same time as the OP mentions, but also in the case of files being
moved or deleted while they are opened. I recently was witness to a
case of a user cleaning out her /home/user directory. She had files
open and was moving them without closing. She would then update
something in the file and save it. The changes got written to the old
file location, which was a folder that had already been cleared out
for deleting. So the changes got deleted together with the expendable
folder.

At least having the _option_ to lock files is critical for everyday
users, who do stupid things like move open files, have more than one
person with write access to a file, and do not run their own SVN
repos.

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Re: [users] Suscripción, Subscription.

[Guy Voets]

Ola Albert,

por favor consultar el site en español: http://es.openoffice.org


2008/8/25 ALBERT ACERO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Deseo suscribirme como usuario avanzado de openoffice.org en Colombia para
> tener la oportunidad de recibir soporte técnico y resolver preguntas que a
> veces surgen en relación con el uso de este magnífico software. Deseo ser
> incluido en alguna lista o en alguna Comunidad de Usuarios de
> Openoffice.org
> de habla hispana. No obstante también hablo inglés.
>
>
>
> Tengo una experiencia de algo más de un año trabajando con Openoffice.org
> (Write, Calc,  Impress...), instalando este software y tomando nota acerca
> de las fallas más comunes que observamos durante su uso diario en las
> oficinas administrativas de uno de los Bancos más grandes de Colombia.
>
>
>
> Ahora, puedo anunciarles a ustedes que el Banco Davivienda de Colombia usa
> el Openoffice.org como una parte de su Software Estándar en sus oficinas
> administrativas en Bogotá y en general en todo el país. Digo esto con la
> certeza de haber sido el líder de un equipo humano que el año pasado tuvo
> la
> misión de instalar Openoffice.org en las oficinas administrativas de ese
> Banco y demostrar las bondades de este software para resolver un problema
> relacionado con la falta de licencias de Microsoft Office y también por el
> alto costo de esas licencias. El Banco Davivenda de Colombia, en ese
> momento, tenía la necesidad de encontrar un software libre que no solo
> fuera
> confiable sino que también fuera barato. Entonces encontramos una buena
> alternativa en Openoffice porque no solamente era confiable y sino también
> de uso libre. La instalación se hizo inicialmente en unas 1500 máquinas del
> Banco Davivienda de Colombia y esa cantidad ha aumentado debido a que el
> Banco Davivienda compró el Banco Bancafé. Por tanto, OpenOffice ahora es
> conocido ampliamente en el Banco Davivienda de Colombia y sus empleados
> también lo han dado a conocer entre sus amigos y familiares.
>
> Mi nombre es Albert Acer. Laboro para la compañía ASIC Ingeniería (
> www.asicamericas.com) que actualmente le ofrece el servicio de Soporte
> Técnico al Banco Davivienda de Colombia por la modalidad de outsorcing. Yo
> también uso Openoffice.org en la computadora de mi casa y he trabajado con
> las siguientes versiones: Openoffice.org 2.0; Openoffice.org 2.1;
> Openoffice.org 2.2; Openoffice.org 2.3; Openoffice.org 2.4 (y OOo 2.4.1).
> Sé
> que muy pronto va ser liberada la versión OOo 3.0 y estoy muy ansioso por
> conocerla y probarla. También soy profesor de Sistemas Informáticos en un
> Instituto de Educación no Formal en Bogotá, en horario nocturno, y allí
> también he dado a conocer el producto Openoffice.org entre mis alumnos.
>
>
>
> Estas son las razones que tengo para solicitar a ustedes que me permitan
> suscribirme como miembro de la Comunidad de Usuarios de Openoffice de habla
> hispana. Además deseo saber si en Colombia hay algún líder entre los
> usuarios o proveedores y distribuidores de Openoffice.org para hacer
> contacto con él o ellos ya que también deseo ofrecerme como voluntario para
> promover el uso de Openoffice.org.
>
>
>
> Mi dirección de Correo Electrónico es: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autorizo divulgar mi nombre entre los miembros de la
> comunidad de usuarios.
>
>
>
> Estaré atento en espera de sus comentarios.  Gracias.
>
>
> --
> Cordialmente,
> *ALBERT ACER*
> Bogota - Colombia
>



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[users] Re: OT: What symbol is accepted for velocity?

[Jim Allan]

M Henri Day wrote:

2008/8/22 Jim Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Jim, you write that all Unicode glyphs «are available to you, plus any other
non-Unicode characters unique to special symbol fonts. This is true,
regardless of your operating system.» I'm running OOo on 64-bit Ubuntu
Hardy. While I can enter the glyphs you mention above (𝐯, 𝑣) by typing
««Ctrl+Shift+u», [1d42f or 1d463, respectively], «Space»/«Enter»» into my
response here in Gmail or in the Gnome text editor, when I perform the same
procedure in OOo (either 2.4.1 or 3.0 beta), I instead get «1d42f» and
«1d463». May I ask exactly what key strokes you use to enter these glyphs in
OOo ?...


I can enter these characters via the OpenOffice.org menu Insert → 
Special Character  I use Windows and it does not support the 
Ctrl+Shift-u method of entering Unicode characters. I gather from what 
you say that OpenOffice.org under Gnome under Linux also does not 
support that method of entering characters. I suggest looking at SCIM at 
http://www.scim-im.org/ .


Note: I have discovered that while OpenOffice.org under Windows will 
accept any Unicode character, the Formula editor will not accept any 
character beyond the base plane, that is any character higher than 
U+. It breaks any higher characters into two separate blank boxes, 
unable to handle anything but non-standard UTF-2 format.


This is a serious bug, and I will soon submit it to the website.

Jim Allan



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Re: [users] Re: OT: What symbol is accepted for velocity?

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/8/25 Jim Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I gather from what you say that
> OpenOffice.org under Gnome under Linux also does not support that method of
> entering characters.

Nor under KDE 3.x. Other GTK apps, such as Firefox, do allow me to
type in unicode characters with the keyboard.

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Re: [users] Re: spelcheck

[Guy Voets]

2008/8/24 Russell Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Jaleel K.H wrote:
>
>> I am using openoffice for the last two months.I do not have
>> spellchecker .How can add this fecility into my openofficewriter
>>
>>
>>
> Hello Jaleel
>
> You can add dictionaries by using the "File-Wizards-Install New
> Dictionaries"
>
> See http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67
>
> HTH
>
> Russell


Hello,

>From version 3.0 of OpenOffice.org onward, dictionaries will be extensions
of the program, and treated, installed etc. as such.
See extensions in the Help, and
http://extensions.openoffice.org/

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Re: [users] Subscription OOo User

[Barbara Duprey]

ALBERT ACERO wrote:

I want to subscribe as advanced user of openoffice.org in Colombia to have
the opportunity to receive support technician and to solve questions that
sometimes arise in connection with the use of this magnificent software. I
want to be included in some list or in some Community of Users of
Openoffice.org of Hispanic speech. Nevertheless also I speak English.
Becoming a member of the Community of Users is not a formal operation -- 
it happens when you are subscribed to one or more of the lists or 
register for using forums. What you may be looking for is some kind of 
certification program, so that you could claim expertise and cite your 
accreditation, and I don't think there is any such program for 
OpenOffice.org. If somebody knows of one, maybe they will respond. 
Subscribing to an OOo list already allows you to receive technical 
support from the volunteers there, and to answer questions for others. 
The forums work in a similar way. To participate in any of them, you 
register once with OOo and then log in to ask or answer questions. (That 
registration also gives you access to the issue tracking system, to see 
if an issue has already been answered, or to formally report bugs or 
request enhancements.)


I noticed a series of cross-posts on your note that showed you are aware 
of the Spanish-speaking users list. (You also included users-subscribe, 
which is used only for the purpose of subscribing to this list and has 
no other function. It is only needed the first time you subscribe, or 
after an unsubscribe when you want to start following the list again, 
perhaps from a different account.) In general, cross-posting is not 
recommended. If you choose a list that is not the best for your purpose, 
you will generally get a response that tells you of another list to try. 
In this case, the "users" list is probably as good as any.


It sounds as if you have been doing a wonderful job in making others 
aware of OOo; thanks! Colombia is clearly on the right track.


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Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Guy Voets]

2008/8/24 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On 23/08/2008 18:40, Mark Hull-Richter wrote:
>
>> I have noticed since installing OOo 2.4.1 that whenever I open a new
>> text document and then go to save it, there is now a default title of
>> "Documents" pre-supplied for me.  This not only wrong, it is irritating.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> mhr
>>
>>
>>
> Which version of what Operating System (Mac Leopard, Knoppix 5.1, ...) are
> you using?
>
> I'm using Windows XP Pro with OpenOffice 2.4.1 and this does *not* happen.
> When I save a new document there is *no* default name for it. There is a
> default *folder* "My Documents" into which the document will be saved but no
> default name.
>
> Also, how can a default be "wrong"?
>
> Oh. You said "title". Do you mean that the document magically acquires a
> *title* - text at the top of the first page? If so you have managed somehow
> to change the default template. To change it again, follow the instructions
> in the Help:
>
>  quote from Writer's Help 
> The default template contains the default formatting information for new
> text documents. If you want, you can create a new template and use it as the
> default template.
> 1.Create a document and the content and formatting styles that you want.
> 2.Choose File - Templates - Save.
> 3.In the New Template box, type a name for the new template.
> 4.In the Categories list, select "My Templates", and then click OK.
> 5.Choose File - Templates - Organize.
> 6.In the category list, double-click the "My Templates" folder.
> 7.Right-click the template that you created, and choose Set as Default
> Template.
> 8.Click Close.
> = end quote 
>
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> London, England
> Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
>


Hello,

This behavior is unknown on Mac either (Mac PPC or Intel, Tiger or Leopard,
OOo 2.4 or 3.0)
I think OP is indeed confusing folder with file name... or something alike
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[users] CALC - Bar code readers

[Eugénio Varejão]

Hello!

I'm interested in buy a bar code reader and I want know if I can produce
bar code labels for several items in Calc.

Anybody in the list have any idea?

Thank you and regards,

Eugénio Varejão

[users] Re: CALC - Bar code readers

[Jim Allan]

Eugénio Varejão wrote:

Hello!

I'm interested in buy a bar code reader and I want know if I can produce
bar code labels for several items in Calc.

Anybody in the list have any idea?


Basically you will need a bar code font, probably one that produces bar 
codes in 3 of 9 format, which is the most commonly used bar code format. 
See, for example http://www.barcodesinc.com/free-barcode-font/ . You may 
want to have several 3 of 9 bar code fonts at different aspect ratios.


Just enter the number(s) you want to print, or create a field linked to 
a file of numbers. Before and after the number (which many contain 
letters) you will need to have “*” typed.


Then just print.


Jim Allan






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Re: [users] uninstall openoffice

[David Lowe]

On Aug 24, 2008, at 13:38 , esteban keklikian wrote:


How do I remove openoffice from my Mac?



	You don't tell us which versions of OS X and OOo you have, but i'll  
punt.  Open up the Applications folder, click and drag the OpenOffice  
application to the trash.  If you are worried about disk space, you  
can also delete the settings: go to the Library folder in your home  
directory, within that you'll see some sub-directories like  
"OpenOffice.org" and "OpenOffice.org2".  Drag these both to the trash  
and you are done.


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[users] Re: bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[H.S.]

Jonathon Coombes wrote:

> 
> Maybe you could give some details as to the problems you have
> experienced? Did you file a bug report or feature request to get
> improvements into OOo?

Here is one thing I couldn't easily find: to number only a few equations
in a series of equations (like in a derivation). Also, cross-referencing
an equations could be more easy (creating a equations variable in the
Insert-Fields... dialog itself is a bit convoluted process), and the
dialog to insert a cross-reference to equation needs cleaning up (the
equation numbers are listed in a weird way, "..(3" for example).


> 
>> As far as technical writing is concerned, the bibliography feature sucks
>> big time. Without this feature working intuitively and conveniently, OOo
>> will not be adopted by the technical writing community.
> 
> How do you define "working intuitively and conveniently"? Will your
> definition also be applicable for say a doctor doing research using
> OOo's bibliography? Does the technical writing community see the
> bibliography tool in OOo as the biggest hurdle or is there some other
> reason? How does the tool "suck" and can you describe your needs in a
> more technical manner so that maybe some help could be offered?

I define "working intuitively and conveniently" in working with
bibliography context as allowing the user to work with citations and
references without too much hassle coming from other word processors
used to any other bibliography software. I did not mean that OOo uses a
new terminology in this context. Only that creating a database and then
using it is not straightforward but could be. And it should help all
people who works with bibliography irrespective of their fields.

Now, IMHO, if I cannot get bibliography up and working without problems,
how can I use it to prepare a technical document? Please understand that
even if OOo makes huge improvements in other respects (Outline Mode and
grammar checker comes to mind), it will be of little consequence if a
document cannot be completed. Missing a robust bibliography feature will
then definitely be a biggest hurdle, and talking to a few of my friends
around in the univ. tells this is actually so. Just do a little google
search about bibliography and OOo, web pages describing it as primitive
are quite common!

Well, I did use the word 'suck' for a good reason :)
Last night it appeared that my citations were not working as I had
expected. I was citing a www document, and looking at the Type field in
Bib. Databases of OOo, it looked as if the type was not the correct one
being displayed in the document. I couldn't find the problem, I just
deleted all the references from the document, all bib. items from the
database and redid adding all those items again in the database and then
in the document. This time the problem went away. Now, the bibliography
had started out as okay, but it appears that the database got corrupted
along the way. But redoing the whole database is just not acceptable. If
a person is writing an important paper and encountered this scanario,
trust me, s/he is going to just paste the whole document in MS Word or
LaTeX and continue there.

The other problem is in the way the list of references are formatted in
the document (the index is included usually at the end of a document).
It took me quite a while to see how to number this list and I still
cannot get to work as I desire. It was not straightforward at all to get
the numbering done (for Bibliography 1 style).

Also, there appears to be no method to configure how the citations
appears within the document. For example, some papers require multiple
citations with a range bunched together, e.g. [3-10].

Then there appears to be 50 character limit in a hyperlink in www
document bibliography item. What's up that?

Finally, I think it took me longer to figure out to anything our of the
bibliography database than to figure out to work with table of contents,
numbered and un-numbered formulae, footnotes, and a host of other stuff
in OOo. And I am no stranger to document preparation!

I have tried on some basic things a bibliography software is supposed to
do. I am yet to delve in to multiple bibliography (yes, there are
situations where they are required).

Also, there appears to be no hyper linking between the bibliography and
citations.


>> I hope that this features is being worked on in the newer features. Any
>> news how it is coming along?
> 
> There are a number of different methods that allow OOo to be extended or
> improved. One such way is via plugins. Have you seen the Zotero tool and
> the plugin that provides intergration into OOo, as well as many other
> useful packages and Internet sites? I would recommend trying this out
> and see if that is more to your needs.
> 
> http://www.zotero.org/documentation/plugins

I took a look at this after I sent my first post on this topic. I
haven't had time to try it out yet.

> 
>> On the other hand, if this features is of low 

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Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[MHR]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Guy Voets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/8/24 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Which version of what Operating System (Mac Leopard, Knoppix 5.1, ...) are
>> you using?
>>
CentOS 5.2 x86_64.

>> Also, how can a default be "wrong"?
Exactly!

>> Oh. You said "title". Do you mean that the document magically acquires a
>> *title* - text at the top of the first page? If so you have managed somehow
>> to change the default template. To change it again, follow the instructions
>> in the Help:
>>
>>  quote from Writer's Help 
>> The default template contains the default formatting information for new
>> text documents. If you want, you can create a new template and use it as the
>> default template.
>> 1.Create a document and the content and formatting styles that you want.
>> 2.Choose File - Templates - Save.
>> 3.In the New Template box, type a name for the new template.
>> 4.In the Categories list, select "My Templates", and then click OK.
>> 5.Choose File - Templates - Organize.
>> 6.In the category list, double-click the "My Templates" folder.
>> 7.Right-click the template that you created, and choose Set as Default
>> Template.
>> 8.Click Close.
>> = end quote 

I will give that a shot.

> This behavior is unknown on Mac either (Mac PPC or Intel, Tiger or Leopard,
> OOo 2.4 or 3.0)
> I think OP is indeed confusing folder with file name... or something alike

I wish - no, it is definitely the document file name.  I'll post a
screen shot when I get home..

mhr

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[users] Re: bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[H.S.]

Rob Clement wrote:
>>
> I agree that the Zotero addon for both Firefox (and some other browsers)
> and OpenOffice is definitely the way to go

This got me thinking. If Zotero and/or Bibus or some other bibliography
management tools work so well and can integrate with OOo, then perhaps
it is not worthwhile for OOo developers to spare attention to OOo's own
bibliography feature. Why not just use Zotero/Bibus in OOo?

This way spared resources could be used elsewhere in Ooo.




> Rob


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Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Harold Fuchs]

On 25/08/2008 19:44, MHR wrote:

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Guy Voets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

2008/8/24 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Which version of what Operating System (Mac Leopard, Knoppix 5.1, ...) are
you using?

  

CentOS 5.2 x86_64.

  

Also, how can a default be "wrong"?
  

Exactly!

  

Oh. You said "title". Do you mean that the document magically acquires a
*title* - text at the top of the first page? If so you have managed somehow
to change the default template. To change it again, follow the instructions
in the Help:

 quote from Writer's Help 
The default template contains the default formatting information for new
text documents. If you want, you can create a new template and use it as the
default template.
1.Create a document and the content and formatting styles that you want.
2.Choose File - Templates - Save.
3.In the New Template box, type a name for the new template.
4.In the Categories list, select "My Templates", and then click OK.
5.Choose File - Templates - Organize.
6.In the category list, double-click the "My Templates" folder.
7.Right-click the template that you created, and choose Set as Default
Template.
8.Click Close.
= end quote 
  


I will give that a shot.

  
If it really is the name of the file being saved then changing the 
template won't help. Did you get your version of OpenOffice with CentOS 
or from the OpenOffice.org web site. I ask because the versions of OO 
that come with some Linux's have been customised by the authors of the 
various "distros". Perhaps that's what has happened here???




--
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org

Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Richard Detwiler]

Mark Hull-Richter wrote:

I have noticed since installing OOo 2.4.1 that whenever I open a new
text document and then go to save it, there is now a default title of
"Documents" pre-supplied for me.  This not only wrong, it is irritating.

Any thoughts?

mhr


Is it the "title" of the document? Or the filename?

I'm using Windows XP, OOo version 2.3.0 (different than yours, I realize).

Assuming you're talking about filename and not title: When I go to save 
a new document, the filename field is blank (which I'm guessing is what 
you'd like it to be). However, there are other applications I've used 
that put in a default filename (something like Untitled or something 
like that), and at least I don't find it any big deal at all to just 
type in my own filename.


So I may be totally misunderstanding your situation, and if so, I 
apologize. But maybe a little more clarification (like are you talking 
about title or filename, or document path, etc.) would be helpful.


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Re: [users] [moderated]

[Barbara Duprey]

James Knott wrote:

Elmo Hartman wrote:
How do I open openoffice so I can write a letter? Where is this 
information located? Can I make a short cut and open the program?


  


Assuming you're running Windows, there should be an OpenOffice folder 
and icons in your Start menu.  You can use the icons to start the 
various OpenOffice components.  You want to use "Writer" for your letter.
In Windows, you can right-click the shortcut in your Start menu, drag it 
to your desktop, and choose "Copy here" when you drop it. Or you may 
already have the Quickstarter running; if so, there's an icon with birds 
against a gray background in your system tray (usually at the bottom 
right of the screen). If you click that, it shows the OOo components, 
and you can click Writer to open it.


If you want information about using Writer, there is a lot of 
documentation available from the website. 
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/ is probably a 
good place to start.


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Re: [users] Re: bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[M Henri Day]

2008/8/25 H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Rob Clement wrote:
> >>
> > I agree that the Zotero addon for both Firefox (and some other browsers)
> > and OpenOffice is definitely the way to go
>
> This got me thinking. If Zotero and/or Bibus or some other bibliography
> management tools work so well and can integrate with OOo, then perhaps
> it is not worthwhile for OOo developers to spare attention to OOo's own
> bibliography feature. Why not just use Zotero/Bibus in OOo?
>
> This way spared resources could be used elsewhere in Ooo.
>
>
>
>
> > Rob


Agreed.

Henri

[users] Re: bibliography feature is primitive in OOo, any hope in newer versions?

[H.S.]

Rob Clement wrote:

>>
> I agree that the Zotero addon for both Firefox (and some other browsers)
> and OpenOffice is definitely the way to go
> 
> Rob

I installed it today and used it a bit. Disclaimer: I am trying out the
preview version in which the bibliography database lives on a server (at
present, it lives on Zotero's website).

>From the first looks, it appears to be much more polished than OOo's
Bib. It has many of the common bibliography styles built-in so a user
just has to choose one from a dialog box. Apparently additional styles
can be easily created.

It also deals with multiple citations in a much better way than OOo
does. For example, multiple citations are very conveniently specified
via an easy to understand dialog box and they appear in one set of
brackets (eg: [3,5,10]).

One doesn't have to give a numbering scheme to the list of references
using a para style! This is needed in OOo. A big plus. The numbering is
fixed by the bibliography style chosen from within Zotero -- and why
shouldn't it be? Good work by Zotero over there.

Zotero's database is easy to build up and manage. With the upcoming
release, it can live on the network and can be accessed from anywhere
using Firefox. And I think it will be polished even more with each version.

Considering that I am using a preview version of Zotero, all in all it
has been a pleasant experience so far. But then I am yet to used it for
more tough stuff and I need to try a few more things.

BTW, the URL links I put in the list of references via Zotero do not
appear as hyperlinks in OOo and neither in the PDF produced by OOo. This
seems to a problem with OOo itself since this was happening with its own
bibliography application as well.

Considering the above listed conveniences, perhaps it is now easier to
understand why I earlier said that OOo's bibliography feature sucks :)

Regards,
->HS





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Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Mark Hull-Richter]

On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 15:45 +0100, Harold Fuchs wrote:

> I'm using Windows XP Pro with OpenOffice 2.4.1 and this does *not* 
> happen. When I save a new document there is *no* default name for it. 
> There is a default *folder* "My Documents" into which the document will 
> be saved but no default name.
> 
> Also, how can a default be "wrong"?
> 
Well, I'll leave that one as an exercise for the readers  :-)

> Oh. You said "title". Do you mean that the document magically acquires a 
> *title* - text at the top of the first page? If so you have managed 
> somehow to change the default template. To change it again, follow the 
> instructions in the Help:

No, I meant the name of the file - by default it comes up as "Documents"
and it does this whether I use the launcher, an icon, or File->New->Text
Document.  See attached screenshot for example.

Is it possible this is the template anyway?  If so, if I follow the
steps you outlined, what happens to the original default template and
how might I be able to change that?

I opened the help menu to look this up, and it says to go to
File->Templates->Organize, then "Open the context menu and choose Reset
default template."  What context menu?  I tried right clicking
everything in the window, and there is no "Reset default template option
anywhere."

(This is probably right under my nose and I'm just not seeing it)

???

mhr



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[users] script that cals scalc

[Zoran]

Hi, here is the answer that I have got
from Rhino newsgroup asking about
script that calls for excel.
I have asked if it is possible modification in script
that calls for excel to call scalc instead.
I am enclosing the example of rvb. script.
it can be opened in CON text or notepad
Rhino script is :
Visual Basic Scripting

Rhino supports Visual Basic scripts. Scripting languages allow loops, 
variable names, browsing for files, queries, and other

There is a plug-in for running VBScript scripts. Here are the commands to 
use:

LoadScript
RunScript
EditScript

The basic steps are:

  1.. Write a script function.

  Rhino VBScripts use the file extension .rvb.

  2.. Run the LoadScript command to load a script into memory.

  3.. Use the RunScript command to run the function name.

  Note: Dragging a .rvb file onto the Rhino window will load and run the 
script.

For more help on VBScripts

  a.. From the Rhino Help menu, click Plug-ins and then click RhinoScript.

  b.. For more information on Rhino-specific scripting, see: 
http://www.rhino3d.com/scripting/ .


Answer from Rhino

Hi Zoran,

If scalc supports activex automation (com) then yes. If not, no.

-- 

Dale Fugier
Robert McNeel & Associates

"Zoran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> Is it possible to modify script that cals
> for excel to call scalc (openoffice math)?
>
> Zoran
> 

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Re: [users] Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Brian Barker]

At 19:12 25/08/2008 -0700, Mark Hull-Richter wrote:
[...] Is it possible this is the template anyway?  If so, if I 
follow the steps you outlined, what happens to the original default 
template and how might I be able to change that?


I opened the help menu to look this up, and it says to go to 
File->Templates->Organize, then "Open the context menu and choose 
Reset default template."  What context menu?  I tried right clicking 
everything in the window, and there is no "Reset default template 
option anywhere."


(This is probably right under my nose and I'm just not seeing it)


No: I think that this item is genuinely not in the context menu - 
simply because you already have the original template already set as 
the default template.  If you set one of your own templates as the 
default, the context menu grows an item Reset Default Template > | 
Text Document - enabling you to set it back.


I trust this helps.

Brian  Barker


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[users] Re: Default saved name now "Documents?"

[Larry Gusaas]

Mark Hull-Richter, 2008/08/25 8:12 PM:

No, I meant the name of the file - by default it comes up as "Documents"
and it does this whether I use the launcher, an icon, or File->New->Text
Document. See attached screenshot for example.


Attachments get stripped by the list server. Can you post the screen 
shot online somewhere? I'm using a Mac and when I save it shows Save As: 
Untitled 1.odt.


In your preference files did you chose to use the native operating 
system open/save dialogue or do you use the OO.o open/save dialogue? A 
screen shot online would help clear up any communication difficulties.



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[users] how to make captions' width same as body text width

[H.S.]

Hello,

In OOo 2.4.1, how do I make OOo to set the captions' text width the same
as body text width for cases of tables and pictures?

Currently it appears that when I insert a picture from a file, the
caption text is only as wide as the width of the figure I import.

Thanks.


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