[users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Twayne]

Mirce Vladimirov wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I use Linux, diferent distributions, and diferent versions
> of OO. There are two things that make OO famous:
> 1. It's a good aplication
> 2. Has a very slow startup, and that's not a hardware issue.
>
> Everybody knows these two things. If it helps, i found the possible
> reason :
>
> OO tries to connect to the internet, and in order to do so it checks
> the IP settings on the computer. If there is no available net device
> configured, or the network is down for any reason,  it starts up very
> quickly.
> But, if it finds available net device, and the network is up, you
> must wait up to 90 seconds.
> Thats very stupid :
> I have a working hardware, and working software,  but it won't work
> fast, to make it work fast you have to un-work the network.
>
> TO SOLVE THIS : edit the /etc/resolv.conf, and comment (or delete)
> all lines, and the problem is solved ! But, now you got yourself a
> new issue : you can't use internet.
>
> I wonder, why is OO connecting to the internet during every startup ?
> Machines and applications should do what they are told, so if a user
> says "connect to internet" then it should connect to internet. And
> then OO will startup slow. Which is not good.
> If a user says "do NOT connect to internet" then OO should NOT
> connect to internet, and then, as I already explained, it wil startup
> very fast. Which is good.
>
> How can I prevent it from connecting to internet, is there a setting
> for
> that ?
>
> Thanks a lot.

Wow, I've seen it take awhile to start AND find/load a document but 
nothing of that magnitude.  XP Pro SP3, 1.5Gig RAM, 2.7GHz, 2 desktops 
running, single user. But my DSL modem is on a switch and I turn it 
on/off all the time, only 'on' essentially when I'm useing it, else 
'off'.  I've never noticed a startup time diff but I'll pay more 
attention & see.
   I've been watching my modem and I don't see any modem activity when 
it opens either.  There are no indications of any data in/out when 
Writer starts.

Is that with our without the Quickstart loaded?  I have it loaded and it 
seems to take about 3 seconds for Writer to start to a blank page with 
or without the modem.  And yes, I did a Restart before each opening.

Are your times for opening to a blank page, or opening a file?  And with 
or without Quickstarter loaded?  What specifically are you doing and 
measuring?
   Perhaps the 'net activity you see on startup is checking for updates? 
Try turning it off and see what happens.

Cheers,

Twayne





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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 10.03.2009 16:59, Mirce a écrit :
> Harold Fuchs wrote:
>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
>> for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. 
>> 
>
> By the way, if it was an issue of Update, i would have received a kind of a
> message, right ? Like all other software in the world does. And updates last
> much longer.
>
>   
Hi,

another possibility : your PC is connected to a network printer and you
are using OOo 2.4.x
You can try to launch OOo with the following script :

#!/bin/sh
export SAL_DISABLE_SYNCHRONOUS_PRINTER_DETECTION="true"
/opt/openoffice.org/program/soffice  "$@"

Since OOo 3.0 I don't have such kind of problem anymore.

Regards
JBF

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French N-L project Lead
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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Barbara Duprey]

Mirce wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:
  
  
  

Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. 



By the way, if it was an issue of Update, i would have received a kind of a
message, right ? Like all other software in the world does. And updates last
much longer.


As said in another response, you would not see anything if there were no 
updates. Whether you even have the option to check for them may depend 
on what OS distro you are using -- and even on Linux systems, people 
sometimes choose to get their OOo directly from the site rather than 
getting the taiilored version for their distro, and that may well have 
the option. Also as mentioned, you may have an extension that checks for 
updates. It might help if you told us which Linux operating system you 
have, whether you downloaded directly from the OOo site or used the 
distro version, and what extensions you've installed.


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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Manfred J. Krause]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:07, Franz Wein wrote:
> Hi
>
> it seems this discussion will becoming interest - [...]

Perhaps that could be also of interest to you ,,,   ->

Monday, 09 Mar 2009
Start up performance - something that always matters
by Carsten Driesner


Manfred

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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Franz Wein]

Hi

it seems this discussion will becoming interest - online update is very 
good - but this feature should not work with the software start. This 
only necessary for anti virus and anti spyware protection. In the first 
version from OOo the application start very quickly. The Online-Update 
starts after applications was available for work. I hope that the 
upcomming versions will also have this feature.


sincerely
Franz

Mirce schrieb:

Harold Fuchs wrote:
   


   

Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update.
 


By the way, if it was an issue of Update, i would have received a kind of a
message, right ? Like all other software in the world does. And updates last
much longer.





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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:10:02 +
Harold Fuchs  wrote:

Hello Harold,

> Hmmm. I don't have access to a Linux system but I'm surprised OOo 
> doesn't have that option given it has it in Windows. On my system, as
> I said, it's at
> Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update  

In common with others, I  also don't see this option.  I use Debian
(Testing) Linux.

My guess would be that the option is removed in Linux packages(0).
Reason?  If users are updating via distro package managers, OOo's inbuilt
update system would by-pass that and go to the OOo site for updates.
For many, this would be undesirable.  It could, for example, result in
OOo being updated from two sources;  OOo site and distro repository.
Again, not desirable.

(0) Whether by the writers of OOo or the distro packagers, I don't know.

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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"

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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Harold Fuchs]

On 10/03/2009 15:59, Mirce wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:
  
  
  

Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. 



By the way, if it was an issue of Update, i would have received a kind of a
message, right ? Like all other software in the world does. And updates last
much longer.


  
Not necessarily. If there are no updates available you wouldn't get any 
messages. OOo doesn't do incremental updates so you'll only be told if 
there's a whole new version. OOo obviously has to connect to check for 
updates even if, when it does so, there are none available.



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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[M Henri Day]

2009/3/10 Adam Tauno Williams 

> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 15:10 +, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > On 10/03/2009 14:57, Mirce wrote:
> > > Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > >> Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
> > >> for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. But my 2.4.1
> > >> version on Win XP Pro only offers daily, weekly or monthly checks so
> it
> > >> shouldn't happen every time you start OOo. So perhaps this isn't the
> > >> solution ??? Could you use your firewall to stop OOo connecting? Would
> > >> it help even if you could? OOo might keep trying ...
> > > As I said, I am Linux user, I use the OO's linux versions, and I have
> been using
> > > them since the very begining of OO. It is clear why: there was no other
> office
> > > software for Linux. All versions are connecting to the internet, and
> they don't
> > > have any "Online Update" option that I can see.
> > Hmmm. I don't have access to a Linux system but I'm surprised OOo
> > doesn't have that option given it has it in Windows. On my system, as I
> > said, it's at
> > Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update
>
> I'm on openSUSE 11.1 and do not have this options;  however, OOo starts
> almost instantly and I have active network connections *but* OOo cannot
> connect to the Internet due to network security infrastructure.  I doubt
> that this is the issue - if it was I would have to wait for connection
> time outs every time I started OOo.
>
> I suspect that many distributions remove this auto-update feature since
> (a) most users won't have sufficient access to update the application
> and (b) you want updates to all be managed by the distributions package
> management.
> --
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> 
> OpenGroupare & Cyrus IMAPd documenation @
> 


The (Swedish-language) repository version of Ubuntu 3.0
(1:3.0.1-1ubuntu1~intrepid1) installed on my (64-bit) Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid)
setup does not provide the option of automatically checking for updates ;
however, when updates are added to the repository I can choose to install
them. I also have (English-language) OOO-dev3.1.0 m4 (Build 9388) installed
; there, in distinction to the former case, I can tick an option to
automatically check for updates daily, weekly, or monthly via «Tools» →
«Options» → «Online Update», but when I click the «Check now» button, I
always get a message to the effect that «Checking for an update failed». In
any event, on my machine (AMD 64 X 2 5000+, 4 GB RAM), both versions of OOo
load more quickly than I should be able to measure with a hand-held
stopwatch

Henri

[users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Mirce]

Harold Fuchs wrote:
>>
>>   
> Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
> for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. 

By the way, if it was an issue of Update, i would have received a kind of a
message, right ? Like all other software in the world does. And updates last
much longer.





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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 15:10 +, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> On 10/03/2009 14:57, Mirce wrote:
> > Harold Fuchs wrote:
> >> Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
> >> for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. But my 2.4.1
> >> version on Win XP Pro only offers daily, weekly or monthly checks so it
> >> shouldn't happen every time you start OOo. So perhaps this isn't the
> >> solution ??? Could you use your firewall to stop OOo connecting? Would
> >> it help even if you could? OOo might keep trying ...
> > As I said, I am Linux user, I use the OO's linux versions, and I have been 
> > using
> > them since the very begining of OO. It is clear why: there was no other 
> > office
> > software for Linux. All versions are connecting to the internet, and they 
> > don't
> > have any "Online Update" option that I can see.
> Hmmm. I don't have access to a Linux system but I'm surprised OOo 
> doesn't have that option given it has it in Windows. On my system, as I 
> said, it's at
> Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update

I'm on openSUSE 11.1 and do not have this options;  however, OOo starts
almost instantly and I have active network connections *but* OOo cannot
connect to the Internet due to network security infrastructure.  I doubt
that this is the issue - if it was I would have to wait for connection
time outs every time I started OOo.

I suspect that many distributions remove this auto-update feature since
(a) most users won't have sufficient access to update the application
and (b) you want updates to all be managed by the distributions package
management.
-- 
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Re: [users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Harold Fuchs]

On 10/03/2009 14:57, Mirce wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

  

Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. But my 2.4.1
version on Win XP Pro only offers daily, weekly or monthly checks so it
shouldn't happen every time you start OOo. So perhaps this isn't the
solution ??? Could you use your firewall to stop OOo connecting? Would
it help even if you could? OOo might keep trying ...





As I said, I am Linux user, I use the OO's linux versions, and I have been using
them since the very begining of OO. It is clear why: there was no other office
software for Linux. All versions are connecting to the internet, and they don't
have any "Online Update" option that I can see.
  


Hmmm. I don't have access to a Linux system but I'm surprised OOo 
doesn't have that option given it has it in Windows. On my system, as I 
said, it's at

   Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update

Also, do you have any extensions/add-ons installed that might be 
checking for updates?




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[users] Re: Slow startup, I think I found reason

[Mirce]

Harold Fuchs wrote:

> Is this anything to do with the option to have OOo automatically check
> for updates? Tools>Options>OpenOffice.org>Online Update. But my 2.4.1
> version on Win XP Pro only offers daily, weekly or monthly checks so it
> shouldn't happen every time you start OOo. So perhaps this isn't the
> solution ??? Could you use your firewall to stop OOo connecting? Would
> it help even if you could? OOo might keep trying ...
> 
> 

As I said, I am Linux user, I use the OO's linux versions, and I have been using
them since the very begining of OO. It is clear why: there was no other office
software for Linux. All versions are connecting to the internet, and they don't
have any "Online Update" option that I can see.
More precise description of how it is behaving :
if my network comes up (means, its enabled and running), it tryes to connect,
and starts up slowly.
If the network is down (disabled, or cable was not pluged in during boot) then
it does not even try to connect to internet, and starts up fast.
And finaly, if i disable net, as described previosly, OO also starts fast.
So if i set my firewall to prevent OO from accessing the internet, wil not stop
OO to keep trying, which gives no result.


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