Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-03-10 8:17 AM, James Knott wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-09 11:58 AM, James Knott wrote: Have you ever opened Word documents in other applications such as OOo or Word Perfect? Ever notice it doesn't look the same? This is due to differences in applications, not the file format. I seem to recall that it's even an issue between different versions of Word. True enough, but what does that have to do with anything? You were implying that ODF was the cause, when in fact it's the application. No, I wasn't, you inferred incorrectly where no inference was necessary. I said: Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. .. other APPLICATIONS ODF support... -- Charles - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-09 11:58 AM, James Knott wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. Have you ever opened Word documents in other applications such as OOo or Word Perfect? Ever notice it doesn't look the same? This is due to differences in applications, not the file format. I seem to recall that it's even an issue between different versions of Word. True enough, but what does that have to do with anything? You were implying that ODF was the cause, when in fact it's the application. The file format simply tells the app what to do, not how to do it. At least with ODF, the specs are fully published and available to all. No reverse engineering is necessary to figure out how to work with the documents. To follow your position, one could only use MS Office Word file formats, as something else might look different. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. Have you ever opened Word documents in other applications such as OOo or Word Perfect? Ever notice it doesn't look the same? This is due to differences in applications, not the file format. I seem to recall that it's even an issue between different versions of Word. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-03-09 11:58 AM, James Knott wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. Have you ever opened Word documents in other applications such as OOo or Word Perfect? Ever notice it doesn't look the same? This is due to differences in applications, not the file format. I seem to recall that it's even an issue between different versions of Word. True enough, but what does that have to do with anything? -- Charles - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. -- Charles - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
I can add a couple slides on this, but I wasn't going to
go into huge detail ('cause I don't have time).
Basically I'll mention that the fan speed control now acts differently
based on what's plugged into the chassis, uses a zoned approach, and
works to keep everything in the zone just cool enough.
Mainly I want to make sure that no one is surprised by the
difference in behavior, and that people should expect it to work
a lot better than before. So two, maybe three slides. I'm not
going to go into detail about the implementation. Wrong audience for
that.
Joe
On 03/08/10 11:41, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote:
Despite earlier campaigns of
disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is
a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format,
with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses,
government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take
an active lead in the development of OpenDocument.
Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from
Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same.
As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving
true cross-application compatibility yet.
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Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-3-8 6:41 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. If you want documents that render the same, then use PDF/A with embedded fonts. Regarding applications, there is one brand of legacy application that is still rather persistent despite its inability even to render it's own document format correctly across versions or even different machines. ODF is here and established. For being the first universal office format, it has also had to solve a lot of other problems along the way. OOo uses it and is consistent. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. ODF nonetheless does well and the more it is used, the more these irregularities get hammered out. It does more than well enough for the original task, which was that of publishing episodes in a travelogue. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-3-8 1:16 AM, Richard Detwiler wrote: ... with perfectly acceptable image quality for on-screen viewing (which I think is what the OP needed). There is also the option of doing HTML with thumbnail images for preview, with links to the hi-res images when a closer look is needed. How well or easily thumbnails can be done with OOo's HTML editor, someone else will have to answer. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [users] Compression of documents
Unsubscribe please -Original Message- From: Tanstaafl [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] Sent: 08 March 2010 06:42 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] Compression of documents On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. -- Charles - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [users] Compression of documents
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I can add a couple slides on this, but I wasn't going to
go into huge detail ('cause I don't have time).
Basically I'll mention that the fan speed control now acts differently
based on what's plugged into the chassis, uses a zoned approach, and
works to keep everything in the zone just cool enough.
Mainly I want to make sure that no one is surprised by the
difference in behavior, and that people should expect it to work
a lot better than before. So two, maybe three slides. I'm not
going to go into detail about the implementation. Wrong audience for
that.
Joe
On 03/08/10 11:41, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2010-03-07 2:50 AM, Lars Nooden wrote:
Despite earlier campaigns of
disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is
a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format,
with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses,
government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take
an active lead in the development of OpenDocument.
Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from
Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same.
As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving
true cross-application compatibility yet.
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RE: [users] Compression of documents
Unsubscribe please -Original Message- From: Lars Nooden [mailto:larsnoo...@openoffice.org] Sent: 08 March 2010 07:10 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] Compression of documents On 2010-3-8 6:41 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Yes, but other applications ODF support is often *very* different from Openoffice.org's... meaning, the documents do *not* look the same. If you want documents that render the same, then use PDF/A with embedded fonts. Regarding applications, there is one brand of legacy application that is still rather persistent despite its inability even to render it's own document format correctly across versions or even different machines. ODF is here and established. For being the first universal office format, it has also had to solve a lot of other problems along the way. OOo uses it and is consistent. As much as like the idea of ODF, it has not even come close to achieving true cross-application compatibility yet. ODF nonetheless does well and the more it is used, the more these irregularities get hammered out. It does more than well enough for the original task, which was that of publishing episodes in a travelogue. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
RE: [users] Compression of documents
Unsubscribe please -Original Message- From: Lars Nooden [mailto:larsnoo...@openoffice.org] Sent: 08 March 2010 07:15 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] Compression of documents On 2010-3-8 1:16 AM, Richard Detwiler wrote: ... with perfectly acceptable image quality for on-screen viewing (which I think is what the OP needed). There is also the option of doing HTML with thumbnail images for preview, with links to the hi-res images when a closer look is needed. How well or easily thumbnails can be done with OOo's HTML editor, someone else will have to answer. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave ODF documents, such as those created by OpenOffice are already zipped so you can't compress them further. As an experiment save the same document in both .DOC and .ODT formats to see the size difference. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Richard Detwiler wrote: Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave I would recommend exporting as a pdf file. When doing that, you can set the compression to the desired value. An important additional advantage is that essentially anyone can read the file, whether they have OpenOffice installed or not. ODF already compresses documents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
- Original Message - From: James Knott Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010 8:17 am Subject: Re: [users] Compression of documents To: users@openoffice.org Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: snip In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole ODF documents, such as those created by OpenOffice are already zipped so you can't compress them further. As an experiment save the same document in both .DOC and .ODT formats I'm lounging on a Sunday morning so as an experiment I took a .docx with images that someone had sent me and saved it in OpenOffice.org to .odt. Then I ran the .odt through zip, gzip, bzip2 and lzma. .docx = 2858501 bytes .odt = 2851953 bytes I'm surprised there was so little difference. Perhaps .docx is quite a bit better than .doc for file size. I remember seeing large differences in file size between .odt and .doc files. Compressing the .odt (and decompressing after successful compressions); Zip responded zip error: Nothing to do! (file.odt) gzip resulted in a file of 2847583 bytes bzip2 gave 2833811 bytes lzma gave 2860784 bytes So you can compress an .odt with images in it, but the difference is not great (with the tools I have). Cheers, IanS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
James Knott wrote: Richard Detwiler wrote: Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave I would recommend exporting as a pdf file. When doing that, you can set the compression to the desired value. An important additional advantage is that essentially anyone can read the file, whether they have OpenOffice installed or not. ODF already compresses documents. I've found that documents that contain a lot of pictures (like a newsletter I edit for a local club) can get quite large in file size. When converting such a document to pdf, depending on the settings that are chosen in the pdf export, a pdf file that is quite a bit smaller than the .odt file is possible, while maintaining reasonable image quality. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Richard Detwiler wrote: ODF already compresses documents. I've found that documents that contain a lot of pictures (like a newsletter I edit for a local club) can get quite large in file size. When converting such a document to pdf, depending on the settings that are chosen in the pdf export, a pdf file that is quite a bit smaller than the .odt file is possible, while maintaining reasonable image quality. Now you're getting into the area of trade offs. Many image formats are already compressed. With PDFs you're trading image quality for smaller file size. Since the OP is sending photos, he might be concerned about image quality. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
James Knott wrote: Richard Detwiler wrote: ODF already compresses documents. I've found that documents that contain a lot of pictures (like a newsletter I edit for a local club) can get quite large in file size. When converting such a document to pdf, depending on the settings that are chosen in the pdf export, a pdf file that is quite a bit smaller than the .odt file is possible, while maintaining reasonable image quality. Now you're getting into the area of trade offs. Many image formats are already compressed. With PDFs you're trading image quality for smaller file size. Since the OP is sending photos, he might be concerned about image quality. I totally agree; there are certainly trade offs between file size and image quality. I'm also concerned about image quality for the pdf's that I create, as they are put on our club's web site for people to view. I always scrutinize the image quality of the pdf I create to make sure it still looks decent when viewed on a screen. I'll even blow it up to 200% or so to see things that might not be apparent at 100%. My general experience is that a pdf can be created that is quite a bit smaller than the .odt file with perfectly acceptable image quality for on-screen viewing (which I think is what the OP needed). I also send a pdf to a printing firm, in which case I use very a high quality (thus large size) pdf process, which gives a file size roughly equivalent to the original .odt file. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Compression of documents
Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave Hi Dave, One of the great advantages of the Open Document Format (ODF) that OpenOffice.org uses is that it is compressed already. The basic ODT file contains several files and folders. These are compressed and stored as a single file with all the information needed, not only what to display, but how to display it. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave I would recommend exporting as a pdf file. When doing that, you can set the compression to the desired value. An important additional advantage is that essentially anyone can read the file, whether they have OpenOffice installed or not. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 06-Mar-10 18:15, Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: Hi We are about to use Open Office, for the first time whilst overseas for a few months, where it will be our only text/imaging programme. We are wanting to keep the kids informed about our travels and send Open Office documents, including photos, as attachments to emails. In 'ms Word' - my usual day-to-day software - we can create a text doc ., add images, and then compress that whole page for easy and small-size attachment to an email. I can't seem to do the same thing in Open Office. I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? Many thanks Dave As others have mentioned, OOo files are already compressed. If you change the .odt extension of a OOo Writer file to .zip, you can un-compress the file and see what's inside. Troll/Idiot Have a nice day. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-3-7 2:15 AM, Dave and Anna Whitehouse wrote: I guess I have missed something.. Can anyone enlighten me? ODF is already compressed. The default file format for OpenOffice is the OpenDocument Format, shared by other applications. By default ODF is already compressed using Zip. See p31 for details of Zip in ODF: http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part3.odt If you are paying by the byte or have bandwidth caps, then I would strongly encourage using some kind of upload service for file sharing if you want to show word processing documents. E-mail is not designed for transferring binaries like photos, so they have to get encoded as ASCII before they can be sent. http://techhelp.santovec.us/decode.htm That increases the size of a photo, by at least 3X as it sits in your inbox. Even a short, one page text-only e-mail will be 100X larger as MS Word 97/2000/XP format than a plain e-mail with no attachment. ODF is much more efficient, but still not as resource friendly as plain text for e-mail. Your ISP probably already provides a web service for you. If so, grab a copy of FileZilla or Fugu and use that to upload the files you created with OpenOffice. If some level of privacy is needed, you ISP also has instructions on how to use .htaccess (often via a point-n-click menu) to put a password on the directory. Then you can send the URL. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Compression of documents
On 2010-3-7 3:06 AM, Richard Detwiler wrote: An important additional advantage is that essentially anyone can read the file, whether they have OpenOffice installed or not. Richard, an additional advantage of ODF is that essentially anyone can read the file, whether they have OpenOffice.org installed or not. It is the main format of many other packages. Despite earlier campaigns of disinformation, ODF and OpenOffice.org are separate. OpenOffice.org is a program, with development led by Sun/Oracle. ODF is a file format, with development led by OASIS which has around 600 businesses, government agencies, and universities taking part. Some two dozen take an active lead in the development of OpenDocument. If you are alluding to the unfortunate with MSO, then that legacy application can be partially fixed through the use of Sun's plug-in: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ PDF would be the appropriate format if printing is concerned. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
