Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 05/06/2010 19:36, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/05 10:37 AM Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob File a bug report. http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/ooQA-ReportBugs.html The ODF cabal seems to have seized control of the icons and insist that files be identified as document type rather than the program that reads them. M$ Windoze thinks the applications icons refer to the program that opens that file, thus you get an ODF icon for a .doc file. On my Mac I get a blank white icon for .doc files. Larry I have submitted the bug report and it is number 112256. I can find nowhere to submit my jpg of some example icons. Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
Rob Clement wrote: On 05/06/2010 19:36, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/05 10:37 AM Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob File a bug report. http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/ooQA-ReportBugs.html The ODF cabal seems to have seized control of the icons and insist that files be identified as document type rather than the program that reads them. M$ Windoze thinks the applications icons refer to the program that opens that file, thus you get an ODF icon for a .doc file. On my Mac I get a blank white icon for .doc files. Larry I have submitted the bug report and it is number 112256. I can find nowhere to submit my jpg of some example icons. Rob You need to sign back into the OOo website and go to your bug report. Now you should see a new link to the right of Attachment that you can now use to submit your JPG file. Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-05 4:01 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? I don't see this. MS files on mine do *not* have an ODF anywhere on the icon. Windows XP Pro sp3, OOo 3.2.1 release. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. That's similar to what I see - its not totally plain white though, it is a greyscale icon, with a small empty rectangular box in the upper left - it is in the same place as where the ODF is displayed on OOo files, but again, there is *no ODF* there. Why in the world would these icons be changed on a minor point release? This was a really, really bad decision... 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. I have shown these to 15 people here in our office now, and every - single - one - of - them said they didn't like them and asked me how to get the old icons back. This is INSANE. Does anyone know how to change these icons either via GPO, or through some kind of script/command line magic? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
Tanstaafl ha scritto: On 2010-06-05 4:01 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? I don't see this. MS files on mine do *not* have an ODF anywhere on the icon. Windows XP Pro sp3, OOo 3.2.1 release. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. That's similar to what I see - its not totally plain white though, it is a greyscale icon, with a small empty rectangular box in the upper left - it is in the same place as where the ODF is displayed on OOo files, but again, there is *no ODF* there. Why in the world would these icons be changed on a minor point release? This was a really, really bad decision... agree :-) 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD agree :-) 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD agree :-) 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. agree ^3 :-) I have shown these to 15 people here in our office now, and every - single - one - of - them said they didn't like them and asked me how to get the old icons back. This is INSANE. Does anyone know how to change these icons either via GPO, or through some kind of script/command line magic? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 9:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. Ok, this is getting worse by the minute... Now, the MS files *do* have the 'ODF' on them, which is just plain wrong as the OP originally stated... This needs to be fixed immediately and a new release issued, or OOo is going to lose a *lot* of users. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 11:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD More whackiness... .ppt and .odp files *do* have the old/original icons... but *only* the presentation files. *Some* of the shortcuts to MS files have the original empty rectangular box, but most have ODF on them now. I'll check on a VM later and see if this is reproducible... I'm *not* a happy camper. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-06-07 11:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD More whackiness... .ppt and .odp files *do* have the old/original icons... but *only* the presentation files. *Some* of the shortcuts to MS files have the original empty rectangular box, but most have ODF on them now. I'll check on a VM later and see if this is reproducible... I'm *not* a happy camper. I use MacBook for my WiFi access. I have .docx, .doc and .ppt files on my hard drive. I am also using OOo 3.2.1. While these are all associated with OOo 3.2.1, none of them have any of the OOo icons. My tower's OS is Ubuntu with OOo3.2.1 (Deb from the OOo website). It does not show the things you report. A *.doc file has the familiar blue icon with a large W. Perhaps this is a Windows problem? Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010/06/07 9:00 AM Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-06-07 9:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD Agreed. Although on Macs they are plain white. 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD Agreed. This has a negative impact on usability . 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD Agreed 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. Agreed. The design is OK. It is the lack of colour that makes them useless Ok, this is getting worse by the minute... Now, the MS files *do* have the 'ODF' on them, which is just plain wrong as the OP originally stated... This needs to be fixed immediately and a new release issued, or OOo is going to lose a *lot* of users. Please file a bug report. This seems to be a Windows problem. On Macs the MS files are plain white(which is bad) and do not have the ODF icon(which is good). -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 11:42 AM, Daniel Lewis wrote: I use MacBook for my WiFi access. I have .docx, .doc and .ppt files on my hard drive. I am also using OOo 3.2.1. While these are all associated with OOo 3.2.1, none of them have any of the OOo icons. Do you have MS Office for Mac installed? Icons for MS file types are unaffected on systems that have MS Office installed. My tower's OS is Ubuntu with OOo3.2.1 (Deb from the OOo website). It does not show the things you report. A *.doc file has the familiar blue icon with a large W. Perhaps this is a Windows problem? Oh, it is entirely possible, even probable, that this problem may only be exhibited on windows systems, but I'm 99.99% certain it isn't a 'Windows problem' (big difference). Nothing has changed on the systems in question, except the OOo update. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010-06-07 1:29 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Please file a bug report. This seems to be a Windows problem. On Macs the MS files are plain white(which is bad) and do not have the ODF icon(which is good). Someone has already filed a bug for bringing back the colors, and that's really all I want to see happen (like I said I actually like the new icons, except for the lack of colors), so I just voted for it and hope they will fix these other niggling little issues at the same time. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112141 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 07/06/2010 18:29, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/07 9:00 AM Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-06-07 9:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 1. All of the MS file icons are greyscale, and very plain - BAD Agreed. Although on Macs they are plain white. 2. All of the ODF icons are the same color - *really* BAD Agreed. This has a negative impact on usability . 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD Agreed 4. One redeeming quality - I actually do like the new *designs* on the icons, I just want the *colors* back. Most people are visually oriented, and quickly scan file types by icon, and color is what makes them stand out. Agreed. The design is OK. It is the lack of colour that makes them useless Ok, this is getting worse by the minute... Now, the MS files *do* have the 'ODF' on them, which is just plain wrong as the OP originally stated... This needs to be fixed immediately and a new release issued, or OOo is going to lose a *lot* of users. Please file a bug report. This seems to be a Windows problem. On Macs the MS files are plain white(which is bad) and do not have the ODF icon(which is good). Larry I tried posting this earlier and there was no entry for OOo 3.2.1 to post it on, only the release clients. I will try later or tomorrow Thanks Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
Tanstaafl - tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2010-06-07 11:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: 3. Uninstalling OOo 3.2.1 and reinstalling 3.2.0 does *not* restore the old icons - really, really, *really* BAD More whackiness... .ppt and .odp files *do* have the old/original icons... but *only* the presentation files. *Some* of the shortcuts to MS files have the original empty rectangular box, but most have ODF on them now. I'll check on a VM later and see if this is reproducible... I'm *not* a happy camper. Have you restarted Windows since reverting to the old version? Explorer seems to cache the icons in use and sometimes doesn't update them properly until a restart after changing file and/or shortcut icons. Just out of interest, are the icons shown anywhere without having to download / install the new version? I haven't seen them, as I'm in no hurry to update and the UK version isn't up yet anyway, but FWIW I agree with the comments on different colours and designs for different types and not marking MS files as ODF. Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010/06/07 1:29 PM openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Just out of interest, are the icons shown anywhere without having to download / install the new version? http://odftoolkit.org/ODF-Icons -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 06/07/2010 12:56 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/06/07 1:29 PM openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Just out of interest, are the icons shown anywhere without having to download / install the new version? http://odftoolkit.org/ODF-Icons Thanks for that. I tested on WinXP and the icons for .doc etc seem to remain as I remember them (page with a 'W'). I also tested on Win7 and the icons appear as shown in the link. Icons on my linux systems remain as before. I'll have to recreate in a Win virtualbox to see what the exact originals are/were. Either way, IMO OOo shouldn't be messing with OS application icons outside of their own particular application. To do so is a violation of the OS IMO simply stupid. I wonder how OOo would react if MSO or any other related application were to replace their icons for every .odt .ods, .odp etc., icon? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010/06/05 10:37 AM Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob File a bug report. http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/ooQA-ReportBugs.html The ODF cabal seems to have seized control of the icons and insist that files be identified as document type rather than the program that reads them. M$ Windoze thinks the applications icons refer to the program that opens that file, thus you get an ODF icon for a .doc file. On my Mac I get a blank white icon for .doc files. -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob Hi Rob, All. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Andy Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. It seems that the ODF cabal, in its great wisdom, overlooked the fact that MS Window is going to use its icon for .doc files when OOo is set as the default application for them. There desire to promote the ODF format (which I support) overwhelms the practical implications of their autocratic imposition of the ODF icons on the OOo community. -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
In news:hueafd$4t...@dough.gmane.org, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com typed: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob Hi Rob, All. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Andy Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. It seems that the ODF cabal, in its great wisdom, overlooked the fact that MS Window is going to use its icon for .doc files when OOo is set as the default application for them. There desire to promote the ODF format (which I support) overwhelms the practical implications of their autocratic imposition of the ODF icons on the OOo community. You won't get far by turning to attack mode, Larry. If anything you'll turn away good help; we're (thry're) just a bunch of users here, like you, helping each other out and IMO attack modes are uncalled for. Your conspiracy theory of an 'autocratic imposition of' anything is uncalled for and in general will turn the community to not caring whether you get help or not. HTH, Twayne` - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
Larry Gusaas - larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob Hi Rob, All. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Andy Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. It seems that the ODF cabal, in its great wisdom, overlooked the fact that MS Window is going to use its icon for .doc files when OOo is set as the default application for them. There desire to promote the ODF format (which I support) overwhelms the practical implications of their autocratic imposition of the ODF icons on the OOo community. This is not new, but perhaps more noticeable with the new icons. I still have 3.2.0 installed, and even there both MS and ODF formats have the same icons and type descriptions. The icons are fairly generic and relate more to the application rather than the file type, but with Windows Explorer in details view both .doc and .odt files, for example, are shown as type OpenDocument Text. I think 2.2.0 had similar associations, but I'd never actually taken much notice since I tend to look more at the actual file extensions anyway. Conversely, old OpenOffice.org 1.1 format files have different icons and type descriptions, so it does appear to be possible to have Windows associate different icons and descriptions with the different types, even though they open with the same application. For example, Explorer shows the type of .sxw files as OpenOffice.org 1.1 Text Document (and the icon is different from .doc and .odt files). Mark. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
On 2010/06/05 2:17 PM Twayne wrote: In news:hueafd$4t...@dough.gmane.org, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com typed: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob Hi Rob, All. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Andy Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. It seems that the ODF cabal, in its great wisdom, overlooked the fact that MS Window is going to use its icon for .doc files when OOo is set as the default application for them. There desire to promote the ODF format (which I support) overwhelms the practical implications of their autocratic imposition of the ODF icons on the OOo community. You won't get far by turning to attack mode, Larry. If anything you'll turn away good help; we're (thry're) just a bunch of users here, like you, helping each other out and IMO attack modes are uncalled for. Your conspiracy theory of an 'autocratic imposition of' anything is uncalled for It is definitely called for. The introduction of the new icons did not receive proper community approval. Look through the UX mailing list for details. and in general will turn the community to not caring whether you get help or not. I am not looking for help. I am explaining why MS Window users are getting an inappropriate icon for .doc files. I also suggested the OP file a bug report about this defect. Why don't you read the whole thread before attacking someone. -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: new icons for OOo 3.2.1
In news:huedi6$db...@dough.gmane.org, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com typed: On 2010/06/05 2:17 PM Twayne wrote: In news:hueafd$4t...@dough.gmane.org, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com typed: On 2010/06/05 1:09 PM RA Brown wrote: Rob Clement wrote: Are the new icons for the files created by OOo 3.2.1 simply confusing. For example I have some .doc files sent by fiends and the icon clearly shows the letters ODF on the icon. Should that not be OOo? Thanks Rob Hi Rob, All. No it is not a bug. In its great wisdom Oracle has decided that ODF is more important than OO.o. It has been argued over in the UX mailing list. Andy Actually it is a bug. A .doc file is not an ODF file and the ODF icon should not appear on a .doc file. On my Mac a .doc file has a plain white icon with a folded corner. It seems that the ODF cabal, in its great wisdom, overlooked the fact that MS Window is going to use its icon for .doc files when OOo is set as the default application for them. There desire to promote the ODF format (which I support) overwhelms the practical implications of their autocratic imposition of the ODF icons on the OOo community. You won't get far by turning to attack mode, Larry. If anything you'll turn away good help; we're (thry're) just a bunch of users here, like you, helping each other out and IMO attack modes are uncalled for. Your conspiracy theory of an 'autocratic imposition of' anything is uncalled for It is definitely called for. The introduction of the new icons did not receive proper community approval. Look through the UX mailing list for details. and in general will turn the community to not caring whether you get help or not. I am not looking for help. I am explaining why MS Window users are getting an inappropriate icon for .doc files. I also suggested the OP file a bug report about this defect. Why don't you read the whole thread before attacking someone. Why don't YOU simply avoid acting like a child? I've no more to say to you; you are unresonable. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
