[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
You found the issue! VirtIOSCSI can only do its magic, when it's actually used. And once the boot disks was running using AHCI emulation it's a little hard to make it "re-attach" to SCSI. I am pretty sure it could be done, like you could make Windows disks switch from IDE to SATA/AHCI with a bit of twiddling in the registry using recovery mode. I think I managed to feed the Windows installer a floppy image with the VirtIO drivers at one point, but it took me half a workday I think... That is one of the reasons I like importing my Windows VMs for oVirt from VirtualBox. And it doesn't seem to like the OVAs VMware produces. ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/4PLHRCBHNXMZBI3MPG53CD23SWXFMQZR/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
The storage domain lists the type as "Local on Host". It's been a while since I set it up, but I thought the engine deployment had an option for local storage. The VM's reside in a directory under /opt on the Physical Host. https://i.postimg.cc/z3mMNj3J/Capture.png I forget which version I actually deployed.. but it's at 4.4.5.11-1.el8 now. Prior to installing oVirt, I was using KVM, but where I worked at the time migrated from Oracle's old 'OVM' to 'OLVM' which is basically an older version of oVirt with an Oracle icon :) The Oracle version wouldn't allow for local storage in any form. So I was pleasantly surprised that the version of oVirt I installed at home did allow it. I already had a NFS share setup anticipating that I would need to use NFS for my home setup, but didn't actually need it. Thing is.. I'm just spoiled with SSD data transfer/access/write speeds now, lol. I do keep various data I don't access constantly on some spinning disks, like media, ISO files and such. But for OS booting speeds - completely accustomed to SSD! I'll be looking forward to using those SSDs I have. They have been sitting for almost a year now in a drawer. ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/TNPZH3DAROIZ7IGCFHJGD7XNWOFIYW26/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 3:18 PM wrote: > Yes - local as in 5400 RPM SATA - standard desktop, slow storage.. :) > > It's still 'slow' being 5400 RPM SATA, but after setting the new VM to > 'VirtIO-SCSI' and loading the driver, the performance is 'as expected'. I > don't notice with with the Linux VMs because they don't do anything that > requires a lot of disk I/O. Mostly Ansible/Python education and such. > > https://i.postimg.cc/28f764yb/Untitled.png > > I actually have some super fast Serial SCSI SSD drives I am going to use > in the future. A storage vendor where I worked at ordered a bunch by > mistake to upgrade our storage array and then left them sitting on-site for > like 9 months. I contacted them to remind them we still had them in our > data center and asked if they wanted to come and get them. I joked with our > field engineer and told him if they didn't want them, I could find a use > for them! He actually contacted his manager who gave us approval to just > 'dispose' of them. So I thought why not recycle them? :) > > I'm in the process of moving soon for a new job. Once I get settled, I'm > going to upgrade the storage I use for VMs. Either to those SSDs or maybe a > small NAS device. Ideally.. a NAS device that can support Serial SCSI. I'll > need to get a controller and a cable for them, but considering the > performance... it should be well worth it. And no - I didn't get fired for > swiping the drives! Too many years invested in IT for something that stupid > and I'm just not that kind of person anyway. I took a position that's a bit > more 'administrative' and less technical; but with better pay, so I want to > keep my tech skills sharp, just because I enjoy it. > > This is just a 'home lab' - nothing that supports anything even remotely > important. I'm so used to SSD now.. my desktop OS is on SSD, my CentOS > machine is on SSD.. putting Windows on spinning platters is just painful > anymore! > While I do have big oVirt setups running on pure SSD storage, I must admit that Windows (and Linux VMs) are perfectly usable on HDD software RAIDs, *if* everything is configured correctly (and you have a lot of RAM). E.g. I'm typing this message on a Fedora VM running (w/ VFIO + nVidia GPU + USB passthrough) on a pretty beefy 8 y/o Xeon machine with 6 x 2TB MDRAID and ~10 other VMs (including Windows), and unless multiple VMs are trashing the disks, I get near bare-metal performance. (I even run 3D games on this VM...) - Gilboa > ___ > Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: > https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > List Archives: > https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/5EVF6FR7Z46A2PI26EYJGBJBFF7LUGVX/ > ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IV3WQFRI3FDXBCFRLGOEWLLKURY6SGTH/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 12:24 PM Tony Pearce wrote:
> I believe "local" in this context is using the local ovirt Host OS disk as
> VM storage ie "local storage". The disk info mentioned "WDC WD40EZRZ-00G" =
> a single 4TB disk, at 5400RPM.
>
> OP the seek time on that disk will be high. How many VMs are running off
> it?
>
> Are you able to try other storage? If you could run some monitoring on the
> host, I'd expect to see low throughput and high delay on that disk.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony Pearce
>
>
Stupid question:
I must be missing something.
AFAIR oVirt doesn't support local storage, one needs to choose localhost
NFS, single-host-Gluster to localhost-iSCSI.
Assuming I'm not mistaken, in my experience the type of storage domain used
has a considerable impact on performance, especially latency.
E.g. Running Bonnie++ on a Fedora Linux VM, single host GlusterFS has 2-3
times the latency of localhost NFS, and noticeably lower throughput.
Hence my question.
- Gilboa
>
> On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 16:54, Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 5:17 PM wrote:
>>
>>> This is a simple one desktop setup I use at home for being a nerd :)
>>>
>>> So it's a single host 'cluster' using local storage.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply.
>> Define: local.
>> NFS, Gluster or ISCSI?
>>
>> - Gilboa
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Host Info:
>>> CentOS Linux 8 - 4.18.0-305.10.2.el8_4.x86_64 (I keep fairly well
>>> updated)
>>> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Kaby Lake] {Skylake}, 14nm
>>> The disk it's on is: WDC WD40EZRZ-00G (5400 RPM platter disk) - it's not
>>> the fastest thing in the world, but it should be sufficient.
>>>
>>> VM info:
>>> Windows 10 Professional (Desktop not server)
>>> 6144 MB of RAM
>>> 2 Virtual CPUS
>>> - Some settings I ran across for 'Performance' mode and a couple I had
>>> seen on some similar issues (the similar issues were quite dated)
>>> Running in headless mode
>>> I/O Threads enabled = 1
>>> Multi-Queues enabled
>>> Virt-IO-SCSI enabled
>>> Random Number generator enabled
>>> Added a custom property of 'viodiskcache' = writeback (Didn't seem to
>>> make any significant improvement)
>>>
>>> As I type this though - I was going to add this link as it's what I
>>> followed to install the storage driver during the Windows install and then
>>> in the OS after that:
>>>
>>> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/17463
>>>
>>> I did notice something.. it says to create a new VM with the 'VirtIO
>>> disk interface' and I just noted my VM is setup as 'SATA'.
>>>
>>> Perhaps that is it. This is just my first attempt at running something
>>> other than a Linux Distro under oVirt. When I first installed the Windows
>>> guest, I didn't have the Virt-IO package downloaded initially. When Windows
>>> couldn't find a storage driver, I found this info out.
>>>
>>> I think I'll deploy a new Windows guest and try the 'VirtIO-SCSI'
>>> interface and see if my performance is any better. It's just a default
>>> install of Windows at this point, so that'll be easy. :)
>>>
>>> Will update this thread either way!
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[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
When I did the VM this time, I did pre-allocate all of the space. The first time, I was just curious if Windows would even run ok under oVirt and it does appear it will. Next.. I need to get a couple Solaris VMs actually working. I've seen some 'hacks' out there that others have reported success with. Just haven't had much time to mess with that also. ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/7KPG76ZNWHHVUUK7KDT2EP4DEJ7FOAIU/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
Yes - local as in 5400 RPM SATA - standard desktop, slow storage.. :) It's still 'slow' being 5400 RPM SATA, but after setting the new VM to 'VirtIO-SCSI' and loading the driver, the performance is 'as expected'. I don't notice with with the Linux VMs because they don't do anything that requires a lot of disk I/O. Mostly Ansible/Python education and such. https://i.postimg.cc/28f764yb/Untitled.png I actually have some super fast Serial SCSI SSD drives I am going to use in the future. A storage vendor where I worked at ordered a bunch by mistake to upgrade our storage array and then left them sitting on-site for like 9 months. I contacted them to remind them we still had them in our data center and asked if they wanted to come and get them. I joked with our field engineer and told him if they didn't want them, I could find a use for them! He actually contacted his manager who gave us approval to just 'dispose' of them. So I thought why not recycle them? :) I'm in the process of moving soon for a new job. Once I get settled, I'm going to upgrade the storage I use for VMs. Either to those SSDs or maybe a small NAS device. Ideally.. a NAS device that can support Serial SCSI. I'll need to get a controller and a cable for them, but considering the performance... it should be well worth it. And no - I didn't get fired for swiping the drives! Too many years invested in IT for something that stupid and I'm just not that kind of person anyway. I took a position that's a bit more 'administrative' and less technical; but with better pay, so I want to keep my tech skills sharp, just because I enjoy it. This is just a 'home lab' - nothing that supports anything even remotely important. I'm so used to SSD now.. my desktop OS is on SSD, my CentOS machine is on SSD.. putting Windows on spinning platters is just painful anymore! ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/5EVF6FR7Z46A2PI26EYJGBJBFF7LUGVX/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
I believe "local" in this context is using the local ovirt Host OS disk as
VM storage ie "local storage". The disk info mentioned "WDC WD40EZRZ-00G" =
a single 4TB disk, at 5400RPM.
OP the seek time on that disk will be high. How many VMs are running off
it?
Are you able to try other storage? If you could run some monitoring on the
host, I'd expect to see low throughput and high delay on that disk.
Regards,
Tony Pearce
On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 16:54, Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 5:17 PM wrote:
>
>> This is a simple one desktop setup I use at home for being a nerd :)
>>
>> So it's a single host 'cluster' using local storage.
>>
>
> Sorry for the late reply.
> Define: local.
> NFS, Gluster or ISCSI?
>
> - Gilboa
>
>
>>
>> Host Info:
>> CentOS Linux 8 - 4.18.0-305.10.2.el8_4.x86_64 (I keep fairly well updated)
>> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Kaby Lake] {Skylake}, 14nm
>> The disk it's on is: WDC WD40EZRZ-00G (5400 RPM platter disk) - it's not
>> the fastest thing in the world, but it should be sufficient.
>>
>> VM info:
>> Windows 10 Professional (Desktop not server)
>> 6144 MB of RAM
>> 2 Virtual CPUS
>> - Some settings I ran across for 'Performance' mode and a couple I had
>> seen on some similar issues (the similar issues were quite dated)
>> Running in headless mode
>> I/O Threads enabled = 1
>> Multi-Queues enabled
>> Virt-IO-SCSI enabled
>> Random Number generator enabled
>> Added a custom property of 'viodiskcache' = writeback (Didn't seem to
>> make any significant improvement)
>>
>> As I type this though - I was going to add this link as it's what I
>> followed to install the storage driver during the Windows install and then
>> in the OS after that:
>>
>> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/17463
>>
>> I did notice something.. it says to create a new VM with the 'VirtIO disk
>> interface' and I just noted my VM is setup as 'SATA'.
>>
>> Perhaps that is it. This is just my first attempt at running something
>> other than a Linux Distro under oVirt. When I first installed the Windows
>> guest, I didn't have the Virt-IO package downloaded initially. When Windows
>> couldn't find a storage driver, I found this info out.
>>
>> I think I'll deploy a new Windows guest and try the 'VirtIO-SCSI'
>> interface and see if my performance is any better. It's just a default
>> install of Windows at this point, so that'll be easy. :)
>>
>> Will update this thread either way!
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[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 5:17 PM wrote:
> This is a simple one desktop setup I use at home for being a nerd :)
>
> So it's a single host 'cluster' using local storage.
>
Sorry for the late reply.
Define: local.
NFS, Gluster or ISCSI?
- Gilboa
>
> Host Info:
> CentOS Linux 8 - 4.18.0-305.10.2.el8_4.x86_64 (I keep fairly well updated)
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Kaby Lake] {Skylake}, 14nm
> The disk it's on is: WDC WD40EZRZ-00G (5400 RPM platter disk) - it's not
> the fastest thing in the world, but it should be sufficient.
>
> VM info:
> Windows 10 Professional (Desktop not server)
> 6144 MB of RAM
> 2 Virtual CPUS
> - Some settings I ran across for 'Performance' mode and a couple I had
> seen on some similar issues (the similar issues were quite dated)
> Running in headless mode
> I/O Threads enabled = 1
> Multi-Queues enabled
> Virt-IO-SCSI enabled
> Random Number generator enabled
> Added a custom property of 'viodiskcache' = writeback (Didn't seem to
> make any significant improvement)
>
> As I type this though - I was going to add this link as it's what I
> followed to install the storage driver during the Windows install and then
> in the OS after that:
>
> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/17463
>
> I did notice something.. it says to create a new VM with the 'VirtIO disk
> interface' and I just noted my VM is setup as 'SATA'.
>
> Perhaps that is it. This is just my first attempt at running something
> other than a Linux Distro under oVirt. When I first installed the Windows
> guest, I didn't have the Virt-IO package downloaded initially. When Windows
> couldn't find a storage driver, I found this info out.
>
> I think I'll deploy a new Windows guest and try the 'VirtIO-SCSI'
> interface and see if my performance is any better. It's just a default
> install of Windows at this point, so that'll be easy. :)
>
> Will update this thread either way!
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[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
You should also know that preallocated disks are about 20-30% faster than thin disks in read/write speed (this is according to my measurements with caching turned off) ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/SULORU3R3DW4KEXZUCWRME65WH7AXN5J/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
Re-installation using the 'VirtIO-SCSI' interface along with the appropriate driver installs took care of the issue! It's still a little bit slow - but what I would expect for a 5400 RPM drive :) The performance had improved greatly! Thanks for the suggestions! ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/FFYNR43QMGCI75YYGOB4JB3VQE6HBOBJ/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 4:17 PM wrote: > > I think I'll deploy a new Windows guest and try the 'VirtIO-SCSI' > interface and see if my performance is any better. It's just a default > install of Windows at this point, so that'll be easy. :) > > > I think it should work also this way: . hot add a disk to your Windows VM with size small as you want (eg 1Gb) and configure it as virtio-scsi. . in windows os when it asks for a driver, you provide what you need (the virtio-win iso) and let windows configure . eventually restart windows to verify all is ok . shutdown the vm and set the boot disk as virtio-scsi . power on the vm . windows should auto configure it and perhaps reboot and you are then done . remove the second disk Gianluca ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/T4WMPVNIL7QQ54OITFZQ7KW6DOUBB5WR/
[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
This is a simple one desktop setup I use at home for being a nerd :)
So it's a single host 'cluster' using local storage.
Host Info:
CentOS Linux 8 - 4.18.0-305.10.2.el8_4.x86_64 (I keep fairly well updated)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Kaby Lake] {Skylake}, 14nm
The disk it's on is: WDC WD40EZRZ-00G (5400 RPM platter disk) - it's not the
fastest thing in the world, but it should be sufficient.
VM info:
Windows 10 Professional (Desktop not server)
6144 MB of RAM
2 Virtual CPUS
- Some settings I ran across for 'Performance' mode and a couple I had seen on
some similar issues (the similar issues were quite dated)
Running in headless mode
I/O Threads enabled = 1
Multi-Queues enabled
Virt-IO-SCSI enabled
Random Number generator enabled
Added a custom property of 'viodiskcache' = writeback (Didn't seem to make any
significant improvement)
As I type this though - I was going to add this link as it's what I followed to
install the storage driver during the Windows install and then in the OS after
that:
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/17463
I did notice something.. it says to create a new VM with the 'VirtIO disk
interface' and I just noted my VM is setup as 'SATA'.
Perhaps that is it. This is just my first attempt at running something other
than a Linux Distro under oVirt. When I first installed the Windows guest, I
didn't have the Virt-IO package downloaded initially. When Windows couldn't
find a storage driver, I found this info out.
I think I'll deploy a new Windows guest and try the 'VirtIO-SCSI' interface and
see if my performance is any better. It's just a default install of Windows at
this point, so that'll be easy. :)
Will update this thread either way!
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[ovirt-users] Re: Terrible Disk Performance on Windows 10 VM
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:51 PM wrote: > I recently installed a Windows 10 VM under oVirt 4.4.5.11-1.el8 > > Also installed the drivers using "virtio-win-1.9.16.iso" (Then > re-installed them after updates just in case it helped) > > I found a similar complaint with VMWare ( > https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Pro/vmware-workstation-100-disk-usage/td-p/2704870 > ) > > So I looked into that and made a registry change for the AHCI controller, > as well as setting the 'viodiskcache' to write-back (Seen in another thread > on here) - those two changes seemed to help.. marginally. But not much at > all. > > When I do just about anything, disk usage spikes to 100% and stays there > for quite a while. Write speeds rarely break 100kb/sec. > > Not even sure what to look for next. My Linux VMs don't seem to have this > issue and the host it's running on is barely working at all. CPU and memory > stay close to unused. oVirt didn't show a lot, but in task manager in the > Windows VM - you can see disk queue just pegged completely. > > I've given the VM 6GB of RAM, so that's not it. I even turned off paging > in the Windows VM as well, to no avail. > > This is an example of disk usage, just opening 'Groove Music' for the > first time. > > https://i.postimg.cc/FRLq28Mw/Disk-Activity.png > > > > Any ideas? :) > Hello, I've got a number of Windows 7/8/10 and 16 VMs running on a number of different oVirt clusters, ranging from single host setups (NFS localhost storage) up to multiple-host setups (Gluster storage) and I'm not seeing any performance issues. Can you share additional information concerning the host, storage and VM configuration? - Gilboa ___ Users mailing list -- users@ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/67XKNSXGPZ3CUFOVM7SO7UL34IMZVJW6/
