Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Steve Ankeny]

I agree with Georg

SOGo installs quite easily by itself, and any entity using LDAP, Postfix 
or Dovecot/Cyrus would already have those services installed on 
differing servers with differing options.  Creating an installer to 
cover those options would not simplify the process but make it more 
difficult.  And, adding SOGo to that mix is not difficult for a mail admin.


Any entity starting from scratch should consider the ZEG for its 
simplicity and ease of maintenance.  We did.  Import the ZEG image into 
a virtual machine; login; change mail and domain parameters; and setup 
mail clients.


We chose to keep the Thunderbird mailboxes on a separate server where 
backup could be accomplished by the backup program we already use, and 
we backup the ZEG by taking snapshots; storing; and restoring when needed.


It's as simple as that!  It gives us the functionality we need with a 
very small outlay and maintenance cost.


On 4/8/2012 3:06 AM, Georg Bretschneider wrote:

Hey,

what should be part of that installer? SOGo only? LDAP installation and 
configuration? Postfix and Dovecot/Cyrus installation and configuration? SOGo 
1.x itself is quite easy to install. If the final release of SOGo 2.0 will be 
just as easy, I don't see a point in having a step-by-step installer.

If you want all the points mentioned above included ... I don't think this is a good 
idea. We are dealing with "mail" here. People setting up SOGo should know about 
mail server configuration, should be willing to learn to install all the necessary 
components, otherwise it could lead to a, well, rogue server, sending out a huge amount 
of spam on a daily basis.


Bye
Georg



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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Georg Bretschneider]

Hey,

what should be part of that installer? SOGo only? LDAP installation and 
configuration? Postfix and Dovecot/Cyrus installation and configuration? SOGo 
1.x itself is quite easy to install. If the final release of SOGo 2.0 will be 
just as easy, I don't see a point in having a step-by-step installer.

If you want all the points mentioned above included ... I don't think this is a 
good idea. We are dealing with "mail" here. People setting up SOGo should know 
about mail server configuration, should be willing to learn to install all the 
necessary components, otherwise it could lead to a, well, rogue server, sending 
out a huge amount of spam on a daily basis.


Bye
Georg

Am 08.04.2012 um 06:34 schrieb Advrk Aplmrkt :

> Thank you very much Paul Tiseo. I think that's a very good point, and
> I can think of many scenarios where a well written installer could
> greatly benefit both individuals and organisations.
> 
> For computer enthusiasts, developers, or IT departments, they may
> prefer manual setup so they can tailor their deployments exactly the
> way they want, which is well and good. Having an installer does not
> preclude this option.
> 
> On the other hand, the existence of an installer opens up SOGo to a
> wider variety of people. I think it is legitimate and reasonable for
> someone to want a great groupware solution like SOGo, but not have to
> set it up manually. For "light" and small scale deployments, such as
> organisations with just a few people or even a home server, an
> installer that let's you set and forget can be very useful and time
> saving. This way people can focus on what they really need and want to
> do.
> 
> Having thought about this more, and with the greatest respect to all
> SOGo developers, I would like to suggest again the implementation of a
> step by step installer.
> 
> In fact, if possible I would be willing to make a donation just for
> this goal. Is there a crowd funding mechanism like Kickstarter that
> allows this?
> 
> On 7 April 2012 10:54, Paul Tiseo  wrote:
>> Actually, it is a very good idea, but you are fighting the tide of the
>> average Linux developer who sees installing as a badge of awesomeness, and
>> complexity as a way of life. When you've got both, it's nerdvana, right?
>> 
>> iRedMail is a good example of what a professionally-minded installation
>> should be. Really enjoyed the fact that I could get a good install and get
>> on to project nb. 2 pretty quickly, rather than the usual spiritual trek
>> that a Linux software install can be.
>> 
>> Look, sysadmins are busy. A good installer is *always very* appreciated.
>> Could I do it? Yes. Would I like to have it done for me? Yes too. And, the
>> fact that some people may install sometimes in weird ways doesn't mean the
>> project can't properly cater to the "99%".
>> 
>> My 2 cents...
>> 
>> _
>> PAUL TISEO, President
>> Metacode Studios, Inc.
>> pti...@metacodestudios.com
>> (904) 382-5704 (cell)
>> 
>> On 4/5/2012 3:48 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
>> 
>> I am sorry I brought this up, and apologise for my ignorance. Let's move on.
>> :)
>> 
>> On 5 April 2012 14:55, Sebastian Reitenbach
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.
>> 
>> "
>> 
>> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
>> the time and expertise?"
>> 
>> Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
>> exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)
>> 
>> Good to know then ;)
>> 
>> I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
>> easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.
>> 
>> Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the
>> installer/upgrader is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to
>> have all files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself,
>> how sane is that?
>> That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run
>> your apache as root? Hope not ;)
>> And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default,
>> so it would be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed
>> in "normal" system locations.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Sebastian
>> 
>> Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
>> responses in this forum.
>> 
>> On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?
>> 
>> http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html
>> 
>> v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.
>> 
>> The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
>> time to learn how to install.
>> 
>> Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
>> import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
>> via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.
>> 
>> Works great! a

Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Advrk Aplmrkt]

Thank you very much Paul Tiseo. I think that's a very good point, and
I can think of many scenarios where a well written installer could
greatly benefit both individuals and organisations.

For computer enthusiasts, developers, or IT departments, they may
prefer manual setup so they can tailor their deployments exactly the
way they want, which is well and good. Having an installer does not
preclude this option.

On the other hand, the existence of an installer opens up SOGo to a
wider variety of people. I think it is legitimate and reasonable for
someone to want a great groupware solution like SOGo, but not have to
set it up manually. For "light" and small scale deployments, such as
organisations with just a few people or even a home server, an
installer that let's you set and forget can be very useful and time
saving. This way people can focus on what they really need and want to
do.

Having thought about this more, and with the greatest respect to all
SOGo developers, I would like to suggest again the implementation of a
step by step installer.

In fact, if possible I would be willing to make a donation just for
this goal. Is there a crowd funding mechanism like Kickstarter that
allows this?

On 7 April 2012 10:54, Paul Tiseo  wrote:
> Actually, it is a very good idea, but you are fighting the tide of the
> average Linux developer who sees installing as a badge of awesomeness, and
> complexity as a way of life. When you've got both, it's nerdvana, right?
>
> iRedMail is a good example of what a professionally-minded installation
> should be. Really enjoyed the fact that I could get a good install and get
> on to project nb. 2 pretty quickly, rather than the usual spiritual trek
> that a Linux software install can be.
>
> Look, sysadmins are busy. A good installer is *always very* appreciated.
> Could I do it? Yes. Would I like to have it done for me? Yes too. And, the
> fact that some people may install sometimes in weird ways doesn't mean the
> project can't properly cater to the "99%".
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> _
> PAUL TISEO, President
> Metacode Studios, Inc.
> pti...@metacodestudios.com
> (904) 382-5704 (cell)
>
> On 4/5/2012 3:48 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
>
> I am sorry I brought this up, and apologise for my ignorance. Let's move on.
> :)
>
> On 5 April 2012 14:55, Sebastian Reitenbach
>  wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt 
> wrote:
>
> OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.
>
> "
>
> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
> the time and expertise?"
>
> Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
> exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)
>
> Good to know then ;)
>
> I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
> easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.
>
> Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the
> installer/upgrader is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to
> have all files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself,
> how sane is that?
> That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run
> your apache as root? Hope not ;)
> And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default,
> so it would be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed
> in "normal" system locations.
>
> cheers,
> Sebastian
>
> Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
> responses in this forum.
>
> On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:
>
> Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?
>
> http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html
>
> v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.
>
> The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
> time to learn how to install.
>
> Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
> import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
> via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.
>
> Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing
> server space.
>
>
> On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt
>  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
> SOGo? Two examples:
>
> (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
> RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
> administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
> and follow the installation wizard.
>
> (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
> for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
> from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
> done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?
>
> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
> 

Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Paul Tiseo]

Actually, it is a very good idea, but you are fighting the tide of the 
average Linux developer who sees installing as a badge of awesomeness, 
and complexity as a way of life. When you've got both, it's nerdvana, right?


iRedMail is a good example of what a professionally-minded installation 
should be. Really enjoyed the fact that I could get a good install and 
get on to project nb. 2 pretty quickly, rather than the usual spiritual 
trek that a Linux software install can be.


Look, sysadmins are busy. A good installer is *always very* appreciated. 
Could I do it? Yes. Would I like to have it done for me? Yes too. And, 
the fact that some people may install sometimes in weird ways doesn't 
mean the project can't properly cater to the "99%".


My 2 cents...

_
*PAUL TISEO, President*
*Metacode* Studios, Inc.
pti...@metacodestudios.com 
(904) 382-5704 (cell)

On 4/5/2012 3:48 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:

I am sorry I brought this up, and apologise for my ignorance. Let's move on. :)

On 5 April 2012 14:55, Sebastian Reitenbach
  wrote:

On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
wrote:


OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.

"

So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
the time and expertise?"

Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)

Good to know then ;)


I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.

Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the installer/upgrader 
is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to have all 
files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself, how sane is 
that?
That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run 
your apache as root? Hope not ;)
And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default, so it would 
be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed in "normal" 
system locations.

cheers,
Sebastian


Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
responses in this forum.

On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:

Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?

http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html

v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.

The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
time to learn how to install.

Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.

Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing
server space.


On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:


On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt
  wrote:


Hello,

I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
SOGo? Two examples:

(1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
and follow the installation wizard.

(2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?

Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?

I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
comparable...

So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
the time and expertise?

Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes
a couple of days to learn
the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it
for a minute, afterwards,
you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster.
You already thought
about something like this happen, don't you?

cheers,
Sebastian


Thank you very much.

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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Ed Driesen]

Op 04-04-12 19:53, Sebastian Reitenbach schreef:


On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
wrote:


Hello,

I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
SOGo? Two examples:

(1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
and follow the installation wizard.

(2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?

Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?

I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
comparable...

So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have the 
time and expertise?

Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes a 
couple of days to learn
the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it for a 
minute, afterwards,
you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster. You 
already thought
about something like this happen, don't you?

cheers,
Sebastian



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Heyhey, I second that.
ZEG is a good start if you want to testdrive it.

If you plan to really use it in the future, I HIGHLY reccomend 
installing it from scratch. And try to understand what you are reading.


Example; when installing the funambol connector. I followed the 
instructions literally. I never managed to get it to sync properly. By 
troubleshooting this, I found out a great deal about funambol and how it 
works, and where to look is it fails.
Turned out to be a missing instruction in the manual when adding the 
syncsource for sogo-cal and sogo-event, they don't mention to modify 
"Supported type:" to event and todo. If you try to understand what 
you're doing, you won't be strugling for 2 whole days like I did. (btw. 
Hint to manual writers).


A whole explenation for simply saying, install it , and you'll learn to 
work with it! and learn a bit about ldap, mysql, tomcat , funambol 
tweaking, caldav , etc, etc


Regards,
Ed

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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Advrk Aplmrkt]

I am sorry I brought this up, and apologise for my ignorance. Let's move on. :)

On 5 April 2012 14:55, Sebastian Reitenbach
 wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
> wrote:
>
>> OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.
>>
>> "
>> >> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
>> >> the time and expertise?"
>>
>> Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
>> exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)
>
> Good to know then ;)
>
>>
>> I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
>> easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.
>
> Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the 
> installer/upgrader is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to 
> have all files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself, 
> how sane is that?
> That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run 
> your apache as root? Hope not ;)
> And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default, 
> so it would be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed 
> in "normal" system locations.
>
> cheers,
> Sebastian
>
>>
>> Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
>> responses in this forum.
>>
>> On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:
>> > Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?
>> >
>> > http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html
>> >
>> > v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.
>> >
>> > The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
>> > time to learn how to install.
>> >
>> > Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
>> > import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
>> > via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.
>> >
>> > Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing
>> > server space.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
>> >>> SOGo? Two examples:
>> >>>
>> >>> (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
>> >>> RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
>> >>> administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
>> >>> and follow the installation wizard.
>> >>>
>> >>> (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
>> >>> for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
>> >>> from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
>> >>> done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?
>> >>>
>> >>> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
>> >>> easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
>> >>> a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?
>> >>>
>> >>> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
>> >>> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
>> >>> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
>> >>> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
>> >>> comparable...
>> >>
>> >> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
>> >> the time and expertise?
>> >>
>> >> Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes
>> >> a couple of days to learn
>> >> the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it
>> >> for a minute, afterwards,
>> >> you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster.
>> >> You already thought
>> >> about something like this happen, don't you?
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >> Sebastian
>> >>
>> >>> Thank you very much.
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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Sebastian Reitenbach]

On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
wrote:

> OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.
>
> "
> >> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
> >> the time and expertise?"
>
> Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
> exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)

Good to know then ;)

>
> I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
> easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.

Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the installer/upgrader 
is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to have all 
files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself, how sane is 
that?
That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run 
your apache as root? Hope not ;)
And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default, so 
it would be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed in 
"normal" system locations.

cheers,
Sebastian

>
> Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
> responses in this forum.
>
> On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:
> > Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?
> >
> > http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html
> >
> > v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.
> >
> > The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
> > time to learn how to install.
> >
> > Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
> > import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
> > via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.
> >
> > Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing
> > server space.
> >
> >
> > On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
> >>> SOGo? Two examples:
> >>>
> >>> (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
> >>> RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
> >>> administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
> >>> and follow the installation wizard.
> >>>
> >>> (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
> >>> for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
> >>> from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
> >>> done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?
> >>>
> >>> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
> >>> easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
> >>> a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?
> >>>
> >>> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
> >>> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
> >>> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
> >>> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
> >>> comparable...
> >>
> >> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
> >> the time and expertise?
> >>
> >> Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes
> >> a couple of days to learn
> >> the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it
> >> for a minute, afterwards,
> >> you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster.
> >> You already thought
> >> about something like this happen, don't you?
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thank you very much.
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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Advrk Aplmrkt]

OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there.

"
>> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
>> the time and expertise?"

Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that
exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive)

I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation
easier for both experts and novices, and not just me.

Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick
responses in this forum.

On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny  wrote:
> Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?
>
> http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html
>
> v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.
>
> The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the
> time to learn how to install.
>
> Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and
> import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be done
> via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.
>
> Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing
> server space.
>
>
> On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
>>> SOGo? Two examples:
>>>
>>> (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
>>> RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
>>> administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
>>> and follow the installation wizard.
>>>
>>> (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
>>> for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
>>> from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
>>> done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?
>>>
>>> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
>>> easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
>>> a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?
>>>
>>> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
>>> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
>>> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
>>> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
>>> comparable...
>>
>> So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have
>> the time and expertise?
>>
>> Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes
>> a couple of days to learn
>> the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it
>> for a minute, afterwards,
>> you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster.
>> You already thought
>> about something like this happen, don't you?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>>> Thank you very much.
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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Steve Ankeny]

Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here?

http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html

v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon.

The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take 
the time to learn how to install.


Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and 
import the ZEG file.  Most of the changes you may want to make can be 
done via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse.


Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing 
server space.


On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:


On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
wrote:


Hello,

I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
SOGo? Two examples:

(1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
and follow the installation wizard.

(2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?

Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?

I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
comparable...

So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have the 
time and expertise?

Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes a 
couple of days to learn
the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it for a 
minute, afterwards,
you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster. You 
already thought
about something like this happen, don't you?

cheers,
Sebastian



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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Sebastian Reitenbach]

 
On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt  
wrote: 
 
> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
> SOGo? Two examples:
> 
> (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
> RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
> administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
> and follow the installation wizard.
> 
> (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
> for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
> from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
> done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?
> 
> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
> easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
> a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?
> 
> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
> comparable...

So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have the 
time and expertise?

Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes a 
couple of days to learn
the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it for a 
minute, afterwards,
you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster. You 
already thought 
about something like this happen, don't you?

cheers,
Sebastian


> 
> Thank you very much.
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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Alessio Fattorini]

Il 04/04/2012 02:44, Jeff Folk ha scritto:

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:


I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
comparable...


You might be interested in the SME Server extension that Alessio did for SOGo:

http://wiki.contribs.org/Sogo


Thank you Jeff,
I have released smeserver-sogo rpm compatible with 1.3.13 or 1.3.14
http://wiki.contribs.org/Sogo


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RE: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Bartłomiej Kluska]

> Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
> easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
> a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?

you may find this thread interesting:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.groupware.sogo.user/9750/focus=9786

BK

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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Advrk Aplmrkt]

Thank you for your quick reply.

However, the directions seem rather outdated, and I don't want to
change Linux distributions just to follow those directions! (I am
running Scientific Linux 6.2 right now)

I am sorry I am not a programmer who can just write something up to
make this feature possible. But does anyone else have ideas or
suggestions?

Sometimes I really wish there is a way to crowd fund feature requests
or bug fixes. :)

On 3 April 2012 20:44, Jeff Folk  wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
>>
>> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
>> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
>> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
>> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
>> comparable...
>
> You might be interested in the SME Server extension that Alessio did for SOGo:
>
> http://wiki.contribs.org/Sogo
>
> There are some things you would have to work out for newer SOGo versions (I'm 
> currently running version 1.3.11) that are different from the wiki, but my 
> installation runs nicely! New users are automatically added to SOGo.
>
> SME Server is a CentOS 5 based distribution.--
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Re: [SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Jeff Folk]

On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
> 
> I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
> server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
> LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
> best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
> comparable...

You might be interested in the SME Server extension that Alessio did for SOGo:

http://wiki.contribs.org/Sogo

There are some things you would have to work out for newer SOGo versions (I'm 
currently running version 1.3.11) that are different from the wiki, but my 
installation runs nicely! New users are automatically added to SOGo.

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[SOGo] Easier installation for SOGo 2.0?

[Advrk Aplmrkt]

Hello,

I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing
SOGo? Two examples:

(1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for
RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an
administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL,
and follow the installation wizard.

(2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module
for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place
from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be
done to make the module as an installer for SOGo?

Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation
easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there
a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2?

I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal
server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about
LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the
best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find
comparable...

Thank you very much.
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