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[FoxNET Info]

hello
I think my question was already asked, but I have a slow when loading messages 
via my iphone, can be that it is error below can give me answers.

2014-11-26 16:32:15.289 sogod[25387] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: 
Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPhone6C2/1202.435'
2014-11-26 16:32:15.388 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...
2014-11-26 16:32:21.089 sogod[29219] -[WEClientCapabilities initWithRequest:]: 
Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPad1C1/902.206'
2014-11-26 16:32:21.163 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...
2014-11-26 16:32:25.513 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...
2014-11-26 16:32:31.230 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...
2014-11-26 16:32:35.573 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...
2014-11-26 16:32:41.273 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
changes...


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[Martin Simovic]

Hi,

> On 26 Nov 2014, at 17:02, FoxNET Info  wrote:
> 
> hello
> I think my question was already asked, but I have a slow when loading 
> messages via my iphone, can be that it is error below can give me answers.
> 
> 2014-11-26 16:32:15.289 sogod[25387] -[WEClientCapabilities 
> initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPhone6C2/1202.435'
> 2014-11-26 16:32:15.388 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 2014-11-26 16:32:21.089 sogod[29219] -[WEClientCapabilities 
> initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPad1C1/902.206'
> 2014-11-26 16:32:21.163 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 2014-11-26 16:32:25.513 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 2014-11-26 16:32:31.230 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 2014-11-26 16:32:35.573 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 2014-11-26 16:32:41.273 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> changes...
> 
> 
> Michel
> 

You are terrible asking questions; No SOGo version you use, no OS you are 
running at, no IMAP server, no nothing.

BUT

>From the log I can see you are using ActiveSync. ActiveSync is everything 
>these days but fast. If you are using iPhone, I strongly recommend using IMAP, 
>CardDAV and CalDAV combo instead of ActiveSync to access SOGo. Works like a 
>charm and it’s blazing fast.

Best Regards
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[FoxNET Info]

hello

> You are terrible asking questions; No SOGo version you use, no OS you are 
> running at, no IMAP server, no nothing.

The used version is version 2.2.10 SOGo

Why Create / Use a package like ActiveSync to synchronize, message, calendar, 
contact that not work very well.

Because my only problem is the slowness of getting mail, the rest works 
perfectly, because at the moment, I use ActiveSync for calendar and contacts 
and imap connection to my emails.

Michel


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Sujet: Re: [SOGo] list faster posts
Date: Mercredi 26 Novembre 2014 17:22 CET
De: Martin Simovic 
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Pour: users@sogo.nu
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> Hi,
>
> > On 26 Nov 2014, at 17:02, FoxNET Info  wrote:
> >
> > hello
> > I think my question was already asked, but I have a slow when loading 
> > messages via my iphone, can be that it is error below can give me answers.
> >
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:15.289 sogod[25387] -[WEClientCapabilities 
> > initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPhone6C2/1202.435'
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:15.388 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:21.089 sogod[29219] -[WEClientCapabilities 
> > initWithRequest:]: Unknown WebClient: user-agent='Apple-iPad1C1/902.206'
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:21.163 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:25.513 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:31.230 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...
> > 2014-11-26 16:32:35.573 sogod[25387] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...






> > 2014-11-26 16:32:41.273 sogod[29219] Sleeping 10 seconds while detecting 
> > changes...
> >
> >
> > Michel
> >
>
> You are terrible asking questions; No SOGo version you use, no OS you are 
> running at, no IMAP server, no nothing.
>
> BUT
>
> From the log I can see you are using ActiveSync. ActiveSync is everything 
> these days but fast. If you are using iPhone, I strongly recommend using 
> IMAP, CardDAV and CalDAV combo instead of ActiveSync to access SOGo. Works 
> like a charm and it’s blazing fast.
>
> Best Regards
> Martin.
>
>
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[Martin Simovic]

> On 26 Nov 2014, at 17:56, FoxNET Info  wrote:
> 
> hello
> 
>> You are terrible asking questions; No SOGo version you use, no OS you are 
>> running at, no IMAP server, no nothing.
> 
> The used version is version 2.2.10 SOGo
> 
> Why Create / Use a package like ActiveSync to synchronize, message, calendar, 
> contact that not work very well.

sogo-activesync is relatively new to SOGo and hence it is not as mature as sogo 
itself. At the moment it is slow and consumes a lot of RAM.

> 
> Because my only problem is the slowness of getting mail, the rest works 
> perfectly, because at the moment, I use ActiveSync for calendar and contacts 
> and imap connection to my emails.

I would use ActiveSync only where there is no other option really. This is not 
the case in iOS which supports SOGo natively. If I were you I would drop 
ActiveSync altogether and leave IMAP for email.
Plus under accounts add CalDAV account for calendars and CardDAV account for 
contacts. Your phone will thank you.

Regards
Martin.


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[FoxNET Info]

OK

but it will revisit the idea of this package or work with OpenChange for it to 
work with Outlook Mobile and see the 2.

And also work for NGINX because the url explaining the installation for Wheezy, 
it lacks already openchange-ocsmanager package (which is not included in the 
package installation) and when I change Wheezy in Jessie, he asks me to replace 
my existing web server (NGINX) by apache2, especially there in Google, 
configured to operate with ocsmanager NGINX.

https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/blob/master/Documentation/SOGoNativeOutlookConfigurationGuide.asciidoc

Martin thank you for your help

Michel

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Date: Mercredi 26 Novembre 2014 18:14 CET
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Pour: users@sogo.nu
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>
>
> > On 26 Nov 2014, at 17:56, FoxNET Info  wrote:
> >
> > hello
> >
> >> You are terrible asking questions; No SOGo version you use, no OS you are 
> >> running at, no IMAP server, no nothing.
> >
> > The used version is version 2.2.10 SOGo
> >
> > Why Create / Use a package like ActiveSync to synchronize, message, 
> > calendar, contact that not work very well.
>
> sogo-activesync is relatively new to SOGo and hence it is not as mature as 
> sogo itself. At the moment it is slow and consumes a lot of RAM.
>
> >
> > Because my only problem is the slowness of getting mail, the rest works 
> > perfectly, because at the moment, I use ActiveSync for calendar and 
> > contacts and imap connection to my emails.
>
> I would use ActiveSync only where there is no other option really. This is 
> not the case in iOS which supports SOGo natively. If I were you I would drop 
> ActiveSync altogether and leave IMAP for email.
> Plus under accounts add CalDAV account for calendars and CardDAV account for 
> contacts. Your phone will thank you.
>
> Regards
> Martin.
>
>
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[Charles Marcus]

On 11/26/2014 12:14 PM, Martin Simovic  wrote:
> sogo-activesync is relatively new to SOGo and hence it is not as mature as 
> sogo itself. At the moment it is slow and consumes a lot of RAM.

Well, thats not so good.

I was planning on trying one last time to get my boss to let me keep our
dovecot+SOGo server and upgrade everyone to Outlook 2013 on the desktop
to avoid an imminent migration to Office 365 - but that, of course,
would require to use ActiveSync.

Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
with about 70 users?

SOGo is a VM on VMWare, and I can give it lots of RAM if needed, but it
will need to be reasonably responsive for everyone.

> I would use ActiveSync only where there is no other option really. This is 
> not the case in iOS which supports SOGo natively. If I were you I would drop 
> ActiveSync altogether and leave IMAP for email.
> Plus under accounts add CalDAV account for calendars and CardDAV account for 
> contacts. Your phone will thank you.

Noted for iPhone users.

I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
just doesn't seem to see them, ever...

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[André Schild]

Am 26.11.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Charles Marcus:

Noted for iPhone users.

I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
just doesn't seem to see them, ever...



For Android use the Apps from Marten Gadja.
You can integrate Calendar and Contacts just fine.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marten+Gajda

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[Ludovic Marcotte]

On 26/11/2014 13:09, Charles Marcus wrote:

Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
with about 70 users?
I think that has been exaggerated. The initial process of syncing can be 
slow and memory intensive but that's because of EAS itself, not SOGo. We 
nonetheless aim to improve that.


Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and 
speed great.


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[FoxNET Info]

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Date: Mercredi 26 Novembre 2014 19:34 CET
De: Ludovic Marcotte 
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Pour: users@sogo.nu
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<54761760.4020...@media-brokers.com>

>> Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and 
>> speed great.

You are on your words, because I have tested in all forms, whether as SSL, TLS, 
TLS Port 143 standard, nothing changes at the reception of messages, I know, 
other ActiveSync Open Source Zarafa for example, has no such problem for 
receiving messages, but hey, it's can be a bad example, but here, I hope you 
find a solution, because you speak EAS in your message, but how you do it and 
URL you use to display messages in Outlook 2013, because when I properly, the 
url is proposed in the doc SOGo, for initialization, but it shows me 
"disconnected" and nothing like message.

Michel

> On 26/11/2014 13:09, Charles Marcus wrote:
> > Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
> > with about 70 users?
> I think that has been exaggerated. The initial process of syncing can be
> slow and memory intensive but that's because of EAS itself, not SOGo. We
> nonetheless aim to improve that.
>
> Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and
> speed great.
>
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> (http://packetfence.org)
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[FoxNET Info]

issue
There is a Funambol-based application either for iOS or Android?


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Date: Mercredi 26 Novembre 2014 19:09 CET
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> On 11/26/2014 12:14 PM, Martin Simovic  wrote:
> > sogo-activesync is relatively new to SOGo and hence it is not as mature as 
> > sogo itself. At the moment it is slow and consumes a lot of RAM.
>
> Well, thats not so good.
>
> I was planning on trying one last time to get my boss to let me keep our
> dovecot+SOGo server and upgrade everyone to Outlook 2013 on the desktop
> to avoid an imminent migration to Office 365 - but that, of course,
> would require to use ActiveSync.
>
> Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
> with about 70 users?
>
> SOGo is a VM on VMWare, and I can give it lots of RAM if needed, but it
> will need to be reasonably responsive for everyone.
>
> > I would use ActiveSync only where there is no other option really. This is 
> > not the case in iOS which supports SOGo natively. If I were you I would 
> > drop ActiveSync altogether and leave IMAP for email.
> > Plus under accounts add CalDAV account for calendars and CardDAV account 
> > for contacts. Your phone will thank you.
>
> Noted for iPhone users.
>
> I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
> just doesn't seem to see them, ever...
>
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[Tanstaafl]

On 11/26/2014 1:34 PM, Ludovic Marcotte  wrote:
> On 26/11/2014 13:09, Charles Marcus wrote:
>> Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
>> with about 70 users?
> I think that has been exaggerated. The initial process of syncing can be 
> slow and memory intensive but that's because of EAS itself, not SOGo. We 
> nonetheless aim to improve that.
> 
> Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and 
> speed great.

Ok, thanks Ludovic - at least worth experimenting. Some of our users
with the largest mailboxes (20+GB) have been clamoring for Outlook, so
they will probably be interested in testing.
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[Tanstaafl]

On 11/26/2014 1:32 PM, André Schild  wrote:
> Am 26.11.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Charles Marcus:
>> Noted for iPhone users.
>>
>> I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
>> just doesn't seem to see them, ever...

> For Android use the Apps from Marten Gadja.
> You can integrate Calendar and Contacts just fine.
> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marten+Gajda

Since DavDroid works flawlessly for Calendars, and apparently *should*
work just as well for Address Books, I'd prefer to get it working if
possible.

Anyone ever use it with SOGo?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.bitfire.davdroid&hl=en
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[Martin Simovic]

> On 26 Nov 2014, at 19:09, Charles Marcus  wrote:
> 
> On 11/26/2014 12:14 PM, Martin Simovic  > wrote:
>> sogo-activesync is relatively new to SOGo and hence it is not as mature as 
>> sogo itself. At the moment it is slow and consumes a lot of RAM.
> 
> Well, thats not so good.
> 
> I was planning on trying one last time to get my boss to let me keep our
> dovecot+SOGo server and upgrade everyone to Outlook 2013 on the desktop
> to avoid an imminent migration to Office 365 - but that, of course,
> would require to use ActiveSync.
> 
> Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
> with about 70 users?
> 
> SOGo is a VM on VMWare, and I can give it lots of RAM if needed, but it
> will need to be reasonably responsive for everyone.

I am saying that you test your setup well before going live with 70 users. Each 
ActiveSync client grabs a SOGo process on its own for the moment, while min. 
memory limit for single process should be at least 384 MB (default). 70 Outlook 
users mean ~ 30 MB RAM for your VM, and that is if every user uses a single 
client. In real world everyone has +1 device at least (Phone, tablet) which 
will use additional server recourses.

For your VM I would recommend 4 VCPUS and 32MB RAM at least if you want to 
service 70 Outlook instances. 

As a side note (from my own experience) consider before upgrading that Outlook 
2013 is terrible with IMAP. If you wanted to fall back from ActiveSync solution 
(for whatever reason) back to IMAP you’ll be most likely downgrading back to 
OL2010. Said that, test well before you upgrade all 70 clients … just my 50 
cents.

Best Regards
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[FoxNET Info]

hello
logic as in sogo logs, it will connect to localhost port and not the field?

thank you
Michel



> On 11/26/2014 1:32 PM, André Schild  wrote:
> > Am 26.11.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Charles Marcus:
> >> Noted for iPhone users.
> >>
> >> I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
> >> just doesn't seem to see them, ever...
>
> > For Android use the Apps from Marten Gadja.
> > You can integrate Calendar and Contacts just fine.
> >
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marten+Gajda
>
> Since DavDroid works flawlessly for Calendars, and apparently *should*
> work just as well for Address Books, I'd prefer to get it working if
> possible.
>
> Anyone ever use it with SOGo?
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.bitfire.davdroid&hl=en
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[Martin Simovic]

> On 26 Nov 2014, at 19:34, Ludovic Marcotte  wrote:
> 
> On 26/11/2014 13:09, Charles Marcus wrote:
>> Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
>> with about 70 users?
> I think that has been exaggerated. The initial process of syncing can be slow 
> and memory intensive but that's because of EAS itself, not SOGo. We 
> nonetheless aim to improve that.
> 
> Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and 
> speed great.

I have appx. - 2.5 GB mailbox fully synced with Outlook. Still sogo process is 
killed every 10 seconds for vMem size limit reached and CPU is bursting 10% 
{sogod,imap} in the same interval.

There is a single EAS client (Outlook) and two IMAP/CALDAV/CARDDAV clients to 
the server with 1 x 2.5 Xeon and 1GB RAM. When Outlook is running, it is very 
noticeable. 
Are you saying this is not expected to be happening? 

Best Regards,
Martin.

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