Re: Gmail spam filters

2021-06-17 Thread Benny Pedersen

On 2021-06-17 17:42, Bowie Bailey wrote:

Does anyone have any tips on how to get mail through Gmail's spam 
filters?


if 8 millions users say this mail is spam it surrely is spam :)

hint if recipients say its not spam to them, then it could change, it 
does not being controlled by senders, even if senders do there own 
homework





Re: Gmail spam filters

2021-06-17 Thread Bert Van de Poel

Dear Bowie,

I'm afraid this really isn't a question for this email list, since it 
has nothing to do with SpamAssassin.


However, to not just send you off with nothing: IP reputation plays a 
big role for Google. If you're hosted by a provider like OVH, that seems 
to serve lots of cybercriminals, your IP might have been previously used 
for spamming and therefore just has a bad reputation already. Spammers 
nowadays also more often set up SPF, DKIM and DMARC properly. If you've 
made sure you have SSL/TLS enable, SPF, DKIM and DMARC set up, reverse 
DNS, DNS, and your email server's domain are all set up properly, then 
really the best thing you can do is give it time and ask people to mark 
your emails as "not spam" in the mean time. You may also consider 
changing providers/IP if you're with a more notorious provider.


I'm afraid you really can't do much more. It's quite unfair but it's the 
way things work I'm afraid. But again, this really isn't a question for 
this list. Perhaps try Libera IRC, some forum or something like Reddit?


Kind regards,
Bert

On 17/06/2021 17:42, Bowie Bailey wrote:
This is a bit off-topic, but I'm hoping someone here might have some 
suggestions.


We are having a problem getting mail to Gmail users.  It almost always 
ends up in their spam folder.  I have set up SPF, DKIM, and DMARC.  
The mail-tester.com email test gives a 10/10 for the test emails I 
have sent to it.  The information I've been able to find from Google 
is completely unhelpful.  I tried signing up for their postmaster 
tools, but my volume is too low to show any data.


Does anyone have any tips on how to get mail through Gmail's spam 
filters?


Thanks,

Bowie





Gmail spam filters

2021-06-17 Thread Bowie Bailey

This is a bit off-topic, but I'm hoping someone here might have some 
suggestions.

We are having a problem getting mail to Gmail users.  It almost always ends up in 
their spam folder.  I have set up SPF, DKIM, and DMARC.  The mail-tester.com email 
test gives a 10/10 for the test emails I have sent to it.  The information I've been 
able to find from Google is completely unhelpful.  I tried signing up for their 
postmaster tools, but my volume is too low to show any data.


Does anyone have any tips on how to get mail through Gmail's spam filters?

Thanks,

Bowie



Re: Reporting gmail spam/fraud/phishing

2018-10-05 Thread Benny Pedersen

John Hardin skrev den 2018-10-05 19:45:

It looks like Google is trying to kill off gmail-ab...@google.com 
again.


abuse@ ignorants ?


Reporting gmail spam/fraud/phishing

2018-10-05 Thread John Hardin

Folks:

It looks like Google is trying to kill off gmail-ab...@google.com again.

Does anybody have a gmail abuse mailbox address that actually works (i.e. 
that Google actually reads, in addition to merely being deliverable)?


A webform is *not* an acceptable alternative.

"Don't Be Evil." Bah.


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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-19 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 19.05.2016 um 17:44 schrieb Joseph Brennan:


Reindl Harald  wrote:


"doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all"
come on..



Remember that the DMARC people changed Internet Message Format so that
"From:" no longer shows the person who wrote the message but must "align"
with the mail system that sent the message?


remember all the problems it brings like for mailing-lists as this one?


Well, they also changed the SPF protocol so that -all should not be used.
Using ~all causes processing to continue through DKIM and DMARC, and then
the failure gets reported to the "ruf" address. Using -all is just for
SPF-only people


ah so i need to implement on my side DMARC to give them the benefit of 
DMARC reports while i could with a proper setup JUST REJECT a froged 
message long before SpamAssassin - what a improvement


anyways, your whole DMARC stuff has *nothing* to do with what you 
responded original because it don't and can't change ANYTHING about spam 
from gmail accounts, they pass SPF/DKIM/DMARC


so what do you try to explain me?

scoll up in the thread where you startet to respond about DMARC and then 
try to get the context of the thread - hint: it has NOTHING to do with 
forged mail from whatever servers




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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-19 Thread Joseph Brennan

Reindl Harald  wrote:

> "doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all"
> come on..


Remember that the DMARC people changed Internet Message Format so that
"From:" no longer shows the person who wrote the message but must "align"
with the mail system that sent the message?

Well, they also changed the SPF protocol so that -all should not be used.
Using ~all causes processing to continue through DKIM and DMARC, and then
the failure gets reported to the "ruf" address. Using -all is just for
SPF-only people.

Joseph Brennan
Columbia University Information Technology






Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 18.05.2016 um 20:03 schrieb Charles Sprickman:



On May 18, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Reindl Harald  wrote:



Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez:

El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)

HI guys.


Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you
are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than
that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account?


not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you 
report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your 
customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA 
at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly 
aol/yahoo



This stems from Hooli’s, oops, I mean Google’s culture.  They build things 
correctly.  Users know nothing.  No feedback is needed


no - it's like for most large companies

taking a lot of resposibility but not able to handle it
starts typically above 20 employes



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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Charles Sprickman

> On May 18, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez:
>> El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió:
>>>> Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
>>>> reporting?
>>> 
>>> ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
>>> network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)
>> HI guys.
>> 
>> 
>> Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you
>> are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than
>> that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account?
> 
> not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you 
> report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your 
> customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA 
> at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly 
> aol/yahoo
> 

This stems from Hooli’s, oops, I mean Google’s culture.  They build things 
correctly.  Users know nothing.  No feedback is needed.


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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Joe Quinn

On 5/18/2016 11:10 AM, Alarig Le Lay wrote:

On Thu May 19 00:00:31 2016, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote:

As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC.

DMARC is used to prevent incomming spam, not outgoing.

Well to be more specific, DMARC allows forgeries to be aggressively 
rejected. Doesn't help a bit when your users are sending spam.


Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 18.05.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Byung-Hee HWANG:

On 2016년 5월 18일 오후 10시 6분 28초 GMT+09:00, Reindl Harald  
wrote:

not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave
when
you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of
your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk
making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including
google while mostly aol/yahoo


As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC


"doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all"
come on..

gmail.com.  300 IN  TXT "v=spf1 
redirect=_spf.google.com"


_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1 
include:_netblocks.google.com include:_netblocks2.google.com 
include:_netblocks3.google.com ~all"




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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Alarig Le Lay
On Thu May 19 00:00:31 2016, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC.

DMARC is used to prevent incomming spam, not outgoing.

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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Emiliano Vazquez

El 18/05/16 a las 10:06, Reindl Harald escribió:
not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave 
when you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a 
lot of your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of 
junk making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers 
including google while mostly aol/yahoo

You got a point! This is totally true.


Best regards.


Emiliano.




Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread 황병희
On 2016년 5월 18일 오후 10시 6분 28초 GMT+09:00, Reindl Harald  
wrote:
>
>
>Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez:
>> El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió:
>>>> Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
>>>> reporting?
>>>
>>> ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to
>your
>>> network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)
>> HI guys.
>>
>>
>> Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if
>you
>> are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than
>> that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account?
>
>not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave
>when 
>you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of 
>your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk 
>making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including 
>google while mostly aol/yahoo

As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC.
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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez:

El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)

HI guys.


Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you
are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than
that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account?


not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when 
you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of 
your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk 
making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including 
google while mostly aol/yahoo




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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Emiliano Vazquez

El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) 

HI guys.


Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you 
are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than 
that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account?


Best regards.

Emiliano.



Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 18.05.2016 um 09:32 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:

Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:

On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)


On 17.05.16 21:41, Reindl Harald wrote:

and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and
read this and that" from a bot?


last time I remember the response was that they care of bugreports...
what you mean was iirc something like "for more info go to groups..."


i made some abuse reports to google and got back sometuing in the style 
"this is a autoreply, this mailbox is not read, go here and there", 
likely 3 years ago, maybe they changed their attitude in the meantime




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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:

On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)


On 17.05.16 21:41, Reindl Harald wrote:
and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and 
read this and that" from a bot?


last time I remember the response was that they care of bugreports...
what you mean was iirc something like "for more info go to groups..."
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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-17 Thread Reindl Harald



Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:

On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for
reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)


and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and 
read this and that" from a bot?




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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote:

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting?


ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your
network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?)
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Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-17 Thread John Hardin

On Tue, 17 May 2016, Marc Perkel wrote:


Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting?


Theoretically  


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Reporting gmail spam to Google

2016-05-17 Thread Marc Perkel

Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting?

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Re: Hotmail and Gmail spam getting through

2008-06-18 Thread Jonas Eckerman

Joseph Brennan wrote:


But-- how do you
count consecutive lines of raw /^=0A=$/ with the tool we are using?


Not counting, but triggering on 5 or more:
fullFRUKT_EMPTY_QP  /\r?\n(?:=0A=\r?\n){5}/s

(I'm not a rule guru, so it wouldn't suprise me if there are 
better ways.)


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Re: Hotmail and Gmail spam getting through

2008-06-17 Thread Joseph Brennan



http://www.nabble.com/file/p17876019/pharmaspam.txt pharmaspam.txt



This one is very distinctive, with all those lines of just =0A=
(encoded newline).  I've seen it many times.  But-- how do you
count consecutive lines of raw /^=0A=$/ with the tool we are using?

Joseph Brennan
Columbia University Information Technology






Re: Hotmail and Gmail spam getting through

2008-06-16 Thread Sahil Tandon
omehegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It looks like Hotmail and Gmail's captcha has been broken. I'm getting spam
> using their domains as return addresses, and the messages pass SPF. I assume
> there are other people getting these. I've attached two - the second one
> doesn't even seem to be advertising anything. Can anyone suggest a way to
> filter these?

It is difficult to suggest anything that would not involve a prohibitive 
increase in false positives.  Best thing is to email their support and 
postmaster addresses.  Eventually (hopefully?) they'll stop facilitating the 
circulation of this garbage.

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Hotmail and Gmail spam getting through

2008-06-16 Thread omehegan

It looks like Hotmail and Gmail's captcha has been broken. I'm getting spam
using their domains as return addresses, and the messages pass SPF. I assume
there are other people getting these. I've attached two - the second one
doesn't even seem to be advertising anything. Can anyone suggest a way to
filter these?

I'm using SA 3.2.1, running spamd, routing mail to it from Postfix on Linux.

http://www.nabble.com/file/p17876019/pharmaspam.txt pharmaspam.txt 
http://www.nabble.com/file/p17876019/weirdspam.txt weirdspam.txt 
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A few rules to catch current gmail spam

2008-06-01 Thread OliverScott
CKENPOX_84 + J_CHICKENPOX_91 + J_CHICKENPOX_92 + J_CHICKENPOX_93 +
J_CHICKENPOX_101 + J_CHICKENPOX_102 ) > 4)
describe FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_5 Five or more odd character combinations
score FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_50.1

meta FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_7 (( J_CHICKENPOX_12 + J_CHICKENPOX_13 +
J_CHICKENPOX_14 + J_CHICKENPOX_15 + J_CHICKENPOX_16 + J_CHICKENPOX_17 +
J_CHICKENPOX_18 + J_CHICKENPOX_19 + J_CHICKENPOX_110 + J_CHICKENPOX_111 +
J_CHICKENPOX_21 + J_CHICKENPOX_22 + J_CHICKENPOX_23 + J_CHICKENPOX_24 +
J_CHICKENPOX_25 + J_CHICKENPOX_26 + J_CHICKENPOX_27 + J_CHICKENPOX_28 +
J_CHICKENPOX_29 + J_CHICKENPOX_210 + J_CHICKENPOX_31 + J_CHICKENPOX_32 +
J_CHICKENPOX_33 + J_CHICKENPOX_34 + J_CHICKENPOX_35 + J_CHICKENPOX_36 +
J_CHICKENPOX_37 + J_CHICKENPOX_38 + J_CHICKENPOX_39 + J_CHICKENPOX_41 +
J_CHICKENPOX_42 + J_CHICKENPOX_43 + J_CHICKENPOX_44 + J_CHICKENPOX_45 +
J_CHICKENPOX_46 + J_CHICKENPOX_47 + J_CHICKENPOX_48 + J_CHICKENPOX_51 +
J_CHICKENPOX_52 + J_CHICKENPOX_53 + J_CHICKENPOX_54 + J_CHICKENPOX_55 +
J_CHICKENPOX_56 + J_CHICKENPOX_57 + J_CHICKENPOX_61 + J_CHICKENPOX_62 +
J_CHICKENPOX_63 + J_CHICKENPOX_64 + J_CHICKENPOX_65 + J_CHICKENPOX_66 +
J_CHICKENPOX_71 + J_CHICKENPOX_72 + J_CHICKENPOX_73 + J_CHICKENPOX_74 +
J_CHICKENPOX_75 + J_CHICKENPOX_81 + J_CHICKENPOX_82 + J_CHICKENPOX_83 +
J_CHICKENPOX_84 + J_CHICKENPOX_91 + J_CHICKENPOX_92 + J_CHICKENPOX_93 +
J_CHICKENPOX_101 + J_CHICKENPOX_102 ) > 6)
describe FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_7 Seven or more odd character combinations
score FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_70.1

meta FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_9 (( J_CHICKENPOX_12 + J_CHICKENPOX_13 +
J_CHICKENPOX_14 + J_CHICKENPOX_15 + J_CHICKENPOX_16 + J_CHICKENPOX_17 +
J_CHICKENPOX_18 + J_CHICKENPOX_19 + J_CHICKENPOX_110 + J_CHICKENPOX_111 +
J_CHICKENPOX_21 + J_CHICKENPOX_22 + J_CHICKENPOX_23 + J_CHICKENPOX_24 +
J_CHICKENPOX_25 + J_CHICKENPOX_26 + J_CHICKENPOX_27 + J_CHICKENPOX_28 +
J_CHICKENPOX_29 + J_CHICKENPOX_210 + J_CHICKENPOX_31 + J_CHICKENPOX_32 +
J_CHICKENPOX_33 + J_CHICKENPOX_34 + J_CHICKENPOX_35 + J_CHICKENPOX_36 +
J_CHICKENPOX_37 + J_CHICKENPOX_38 + J_CHICKENPOX_39 + J_CHICKENPOX_41 +
J_CHICKENPOX_42 + J_CHICKENPOX_43 + J_CHICKENPOX_44 + J_CHICKENPOX_45 +
J_CHICKENPOX_46 + J_CHICKENPOX_47 + J_CHICKENPOX_48 + J_CHICKENPOX_51 +
J_CHICKENPOX_52 + J_CHICKENPOX_53 + J_CHICKENPOX_54 + J_CHICKENPOX_55 +
J_CHICKENPOX_56 + J_CHICKENPOX_57 + J_CHICKENPOX_61 + J_CHICKENPOX_62 +
J_CHICKENPOX_63 + J_CHICKENPOX_64 + J_CHICKENPOX_65 + J_CHICKENPOX_66 +
J_CHICKENPOX_71 + J_CHICKENPOX_72 + J_CHICKENPOX_73 + J_CHICKENPOX_74 +
J_CHICKENPOX_75 + J_CHICKENPOX_81 + J_CHICKENPOX_82 + J_CHICKENPOX_83 +
J_CHICKENPOX_84 + J_CHICKENPOX_91 + J_CHICKENPOX_92 + J_CHICKENPOX_93 +
J_CHICKENPOX_101 + J_CHICKENPOX_102 ) > 8)
describe FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_9 Nine or more odd character combinations
score FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_90.1

meta FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_3 (FREEMAIL_FROM && FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_3)
describe FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_3 From a freemail address and has three or more
odd character combinations
score FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_3 0.1

meta FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_5 (FREEMAIL_FROM && FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_5)
describe FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_5 From a freemail address and has five or more
odd character combinations
score FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_5 0.4

meta FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_7 (FREEMAIL_FROM && FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_7)
describe FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_7 From a freemail address and has seven or more
odd character combinations
score FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_7 0.3

meta FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_9 (FREEMAIL_FROM && FHS_COUNT_CHICKENPOX_9)
describe FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_9 From a freemail address and has nine or more
odd character combinations
score FREEMAIL_CHICKENPOX_9 0.2


You could also create a meta rule that puts all of this together and
basically kills (gives a very hight score to) any email from a freemail
address which has a specific number of strange character combinations in it
and which links with propper html to a free blog site... I'll leave that for
you to work out!

Any comments or suggestions?
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Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread jdow

Repeat - it NEVER WENT NEAR gmail. That part is pure forgery.

{^_^}
- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Staudenmayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:

Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.


It's _not from_ GMail.



Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
2006 05:05:20 -0800
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now




Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?


No, you should be looking at this header:


Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -


This message was received from [66.148.73.132] with no rDNS and using  
a private non-routable IP in HELO.


The IP in question is owned by HopOne:

NetRange:   66.148.64.0 - 66.148.127.255
CIDR:   66.148.64.0/18
OrgName:HopOne Internet Corporation
OrgID:  HOPO
Address:1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W.
City:   Washington
StateProv:  DC
PostalCode: 20007-3603
Country:US

It doesn't match the SPF record for gmail.com either:

_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1  
ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 ip4:66.249.80.0/20  
ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"


The sender address is forged, as is common.

IOW it should have been rejected outright before it even got to SA,  
either because it has no rDNS, or because it used an invalid address  
literal (1.2.3.4 instead of [1.2.3.4]), or because it used a private  
non-routable IP in HELO.


-j


Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread jdow

Off hand you could not convince me that this message ever got near
gmail servers.

{^_^}
- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Staudenmayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.


Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:21 -0400
Received: (qmail 31386 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by
mail2.adventureaquarium.com by uid 503 with qmail-scanner-1.20 
(clamdscan: 0.88.2/1467. spamassassin: 3.1.1.
Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):. 
Processed in 0.48126 secs); 08 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -

X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=7.5
X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via
mail2.adventureaquarium.com
X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20 (Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):.
Processed in 0.48126 secs)
Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
 by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
2006 05:05:20 -0800
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 
X-Mailer: Opera/6.05 (Windows 2000; U) [fi]

Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:05:20 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="Boundary-00=_9HReE4jIy7jpiF0"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 



Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?

Jason


Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread qqqq
| If you apply the needed
| 27,000 patches to qmail, you can actually get it to refuse garbage
| HELO/EHLO arguments like the '192.168.0.4' that is came in with (or
| client hosts with no rDNS, etc.);  Or you could update to a MTA which
| is supported by its author(s) still.

LMAO,

Well said.  Although I do use Qmail on a few servers, you hit the nail on the 
head!  I love my
Sendmail ;-)





Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread List Mail User
>...
>Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
>lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
>
>
>Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
>Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
>MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
>Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:21 -0400
>Received: (qmail 31386 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
>Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by
>mail2.adventureaquarium.com by uid 503 with qmail-scanner-1.20 
> (clamdscan: 0.88.2/1467. spamassassin: 3.1.1.
>Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):. 
> Processed in 0.48126 secs); 08 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=7.5
>X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via
>mail2.adventureaquarium.com
>X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20 (Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):.
>Processed in 0.48126 secs)
>Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
>Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
>2006 05:05:20 -0800
>Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 
>X-Mailer: Opera/6.05 (Windows 2000; U) [fi]
>Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:05:20 -0800
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="Boundary-00=_9HReE4jIy7jpiF0"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Disposition: inline
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 
>
>
>Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?
>
>Jason
>

Spam, from Gmail?  Who would have ever believed it!

Plenty of spam does come through Gmail, but yours looks like
it came from HopOne (i.e. IP 66.148.73.132).  If you apply the needed
27,000 patches to qmail, you can actually get it to refuse garbage
HELO/EHLO arguments like the '192.168.0.4' that is came in with (or
client hosts with no rDNS, etc.);  Or you could update to a MTA which
is supported by its author(s) still.


Paul Shupak
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


RE: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
I think I found it, I missed the '.' in my helocheck setting.

-Original Message-
From: Sietse van Zanen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:45 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer; Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE: Gmail spam


Don't know about qmail, but in sendmail you can easily reject the mail
because of this 'forged helo'.
 
-Sietse



From: Jason Staudenmayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 09-Jun-06 15:35
To: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE: Gmail spam



I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:26 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Gmail spam



On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:
> Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
> lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.

It's _not from_ GMail.


> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
> Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
> 2006 05:05:20 -0800
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now

>
> Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?

No, you should be looking at this header:

> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -

This message was received from [66.148.73.132] with no rDNS and using 
a private non-routable IP in HELO.

The IP in question is owned by HopOne:

NetRange:   66.148.64.0 - 66.148.127.255
CIDR:   66.148.64.0/18
OrgName:HopOne Internet Corporation
OrgID:  HOPO
Address:1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W.
City:   Washington
StateProv:  DC
PostalCode: 20007-3603
Country:US

It doesn't match the SPF record for gmail.com either:

_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1 
ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 ip4:66.249.80.0/20 
ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"

The sender address is forged, as is common.

IOW it should have been rejected outright before it even got to SA, 
either because it has no rDNS, or because it used an invalid address 
literal (1.2.3.4 instead of [1.2.3.4]), or because it used a private 
non-routable IP in HELO.

-j




RE: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Sietse van Zanen
Don't know about qmail, but in sendmail you can easily reject the mail because 
of this 'forged helo'.
 
-Sietse



From: Jason Staudenmayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 09-Jun-06 15:35
To: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE: Gmail spam



I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:26 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Gmail spam



On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:
> Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
> lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.

It's _not from_ GMail.


> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
> Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
> 2006 05:05:20 -0800
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now

>
> Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?

No, you should be looking at this header:

> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -

This message was received from [66.148.73.132] with no rDNS and using 
a private non-routable IP in HELO.

The IP in question is owned by HopOne:

NetRange:   66.148.64.0 - 66.148.127.255
CIDR:   66.148.64.0/18
OrgName:HopOne Internet Corporation
OrgID:  HOPO
Address:1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W.
City:   Washington
StateProv:  DC
PostalCode: 20007-3603
Country:US

It doesn't match the SPF record for gmail.com either:

_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1 
ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 ip4:66.249.80.0/20 
ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"

The sender address is forged, as is common.

IOW it should have been rejected outright before it even got to SA, 
either because it has no rDNS, or because it used an invalid address 
literal (1.2.3.4 instead of [1.2.3.4]), or because it used a private 
non-routable IP in HELO.

-j




RE: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:26 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Gmail spam



On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:
> Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
> lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.

It's _not from_ GMail.


> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
> Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
> 2006 05:05:20 -0800
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now

>
> Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?

No, you should be looking at this header:

> Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
>   by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -

This message was received from [66.148.73.132] with no rDNS and using  
a private non-routable IP in HELO.

The IP in question is owned by HopOne:

NetRange:   66.148.64.0 - 66.148.127.255
CIDR:   66.148.64.0/18
OrgName:HopOne Internet Corporation
OrgID:  HOPO
Address:1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W.
City:   Washington
StateProv:  DC
PostalCode: 20007-3603
Country:US

It doesn't match the SPF record for gmail.com either:

_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1  
ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 ip4:66.249.80.0/20  
ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"

The sender address is forged, as is common.

IOW it should have been rejected outright before it even got to SA,  
either because it has no rDNS, or because it used an invalid address  
literal (1.2.3.4 instead of [1.2.3.4]), or because it used a private  
non-routable IP in HELO.

-j


Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Jamie L. Penman-Smithson


On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:

Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.


It's _not from_ GMail.



Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
2006 05:05:20 -0800
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now




Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?


No, you should be looking at this header:


Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -


This message was received from [66.148.73.132] with no rDNS and using  
a private non-routable IP in HELO.


The IP in question is owned by HopOne:

NetRange:   66.148.64.0 - 66.148.127.255
CIDR:   66.148.64.0/18
OrgName:HopOne Internet Corporation
OrgID:  HOPO
Address:1010 Wisconsin Avenue N.W.
City:   Washington
StateProv:  DC
PostalCode: 20007-3603
Country:US

It doesn't match the SPF record for gmail.com either:

_spf.google.com.300 IN  TXT "v=spf1  
ip4:216.239.56.0/23 ip4:64.233.160.0/19 ip4:66.249.80.0/20  
ip4:72.14.192.0/18 ?all"


The sender address is forged, as is common.

IOW it should have been rejected outright before it even got to SA,  
either because it has no rDNS, or because it used an invalid address  
literal (1.2.3.4 instead of [1.2.3.4]), or because it used a private  
non-routable IP in HELO.


-j


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Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Alejandro Lengua

BTW,
email coming from Gmail servers (including valid one) is already being blocked
by several real time blacklists (RBLs)

On 6/9/06, Jason Staudenmayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.




--
Atentamente / Kind regards

Alejandro Lengua,
Virtual Orbis eBusiness Services

www.virtualorbis.com, www.vohosting.com


Re: Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Rick Macdougall

Jason Staudenmayer wrote:

Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.


Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
 Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:21 -0400
Received: (qmail 31386 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by
mail2.adventureaquarium.com by uid 503 with qmail-scanner-1.20 
 (clamdscan: 0.88.2/1467. spamassassin: 3.1.1.
Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):. 
 Processed in 0.48126 secs); 08 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -

X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=7.5
X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via
mail2.adventureaquarium.com
X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20 (Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):.
Processed in 0.48126 secs)
Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -


Hi,

What makes you think it came from gmail ?  I see no signs of it 
originating from there.


Regards,

Rick


Gmail spam

2006-06-09 Thread Jason Staudenmayer
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.


Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
 Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:21 -0400
Received: (qmail 31386 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by
mail2.adventureaquarium.com by uid 503 with qmail-scanner-1.20 
 (clamdscan: 0.88.2/1467. spamassassin: 3.1.1.
Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):. 
 Processed in 0.48126 secs); 08 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=7.5
X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via
mail2.adventureaquarium.com
X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20 (Clear:RC:0(66.148.73.132):SA:0(2.2/7.5):.
Processed in 0.48126 secs)
Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
  by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 12:05:21 -
Received: from crysholgh.com (9.13.1/9.13.1) id XAA37462; Thu, 08 Jun
2006 05:05:20 -0800
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Marcelino Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 
X-Mailer: Opera/6.05 (Windows 2000; U) [fi]
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 05:05:20 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  boundary="Boundary-00=_9HReE4jIy7jpiF0"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: this weeks stock pick KMAG - build a strong position now 


Maybe gmail has an open relay? Or does this look like something else?

Jason