RE: German for the backscatter-plagued
If I've been following this thread correctly, linux4michelle has already stated he/she receives messages from their ISP. Therefore, rejecting at the SMTP level will ultimately cause the ISP to be a source of backscatter (i.e. not receiving messages directly), which he/she can not reject. Then he should talkt to his ISP and tell him to either reject or discard the backscatter for him. My point was: There are technical ways for the receiving MTA to get rid of backscatter. If his ISP is not able/willing to do so it would still be a very good idea for him to change his e-mail infrastructure so that he has control and can reject backscatter. Rejecting backscatter btw. is not causing new backscatter and if so the problem lies on the other end. So his choice would be to live with the 200.000 e-mails because other admins are too dumb to do their job or make sure he is not flooded anymore. I would certainly go for option 2! :-) Therefore, linux4michelle has no real control over SMTP level filtering., Agreed. Then let him change just that... :-)
Re: German for the backscatter-plagued
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Duane Hill wrote on Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:02 + (UTC): Therefore, linux4michelle has no real control over SMTP level filtering., whatever, can we please have this off-topic discussion stopped? Thanks. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
Re: German for the backscatter-plagued
Am 2008-10-20 09:43:40, schrieb Koopmann, Jan-Peter: but unfortunately I get per day nearly 100 useles CarbonCopies and now 28.000 backscatters plus regular spam of 3-6000. What do you mean by get? You actually deliver those backscatters to your users? Or do you detect them quite easily and drop the connection during SMTP? Just curious... :-) Spamers are using MY linux4michelle E-Mail spaming russian servers and now Ihave gotten nearly 200.000 backscatters which make my account unusable specialy for my customers and peoples which urgently need my help without passing over mailinglists... Normaly I read this account using mutt on my Nokia Cellphone and IMAP, but as I have written in a previosly message, my SIM is now blocked by my ISP because I have exceeded the standard traffic of 1 GByte and have to pay 1 Euro/MByte more... My current invoce is 3027 Euro. Note: Unfortunately I can not install a bank account in Kehl/Germany which prevent, I can get an O2 Genion S account with the 5 GByte data option for 25 Euro which would help me in all directions since I need it ONLY for the E-Mail stuff and not surfing. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: German for the backscatter-plagued
Am 2008-10-20 18:53:16, schrieb Matt Kettler: No, but if the post volume bothers you, I would strongly set your subscription to not email you the messages, and check them over any of the web archives noted on the website. I do not know, what you mean, since I am set to NOMAIL. I have never gotten ANY messages from those list... Note: I am subscribed with TWO E-Mails to the list, one, which is hidden and non-publich to get the mailinglists without spam and my public linux4michelle mail which is currenly DoS'ed alternatively, you'll save a lot of bandwidth by using digest mode, which sends you one email a day, reducing overhead from all the message headers. No thanks... My IntranetServer is downloading the messages fine, it is only, because I do not like unwanted CC's in my public E-Mail... And remember, you're the one who chooses subscribe to this list. If it doesn't suit you, nobody is forcing you to be subscribed. Hmmm I will ask my Hosting-Provider to install a filter which reject ANY messages CC'ed to me... In procmail it is something like: :0 * ^TO_linux4michelle@ * ^TO_([EMAIL PROTECTED]|spamassassin-users@)apache\.org /dev/null but since I can not install procmail recipes on my ISPs server I have to reject it... But sure, the first line of the recipe will be VERY long! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
RE: German for the backscatter-plagued
Spamers are using MY linux4michelle E-Mail spaming russian servers and now Ihave gotten nearly 200.000 backscatters which make my account unusable specialy for my customers and peoples which urgently need my help without passing over mailinglists... So you do deliver the backscatter? Why don't you filter them? There are several ways to do this. MailScanner, BarricadeMX, milters... You might not get rid of receiving them (at least partly) at MTA level but you definitely can make sure those backscatters never reach your inbox... My current invoce is 3027 Euro.
RE: German for the backscatter-plagued
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Koopmann, Jan-Peter wrote: Spamers are using MY linux4michelle E-Mail spaming russian servers and now Ihave gotten nearly 200.000 backscatters which make my account unusable specialy for my customers and peoples which urgently need my help without passing over mailinglists... So you do deliver the backscatter? Why don't you filter them? There are several ways to do this. MailScanner, BarricadeMX, milters... You might not get rid of receiving them (at least partly) at MTA level but you definitely can make sure those backscatters never reach your inbox... If I've been following this thread correctly, linux4michelle has already stated he/she receives messages from their ISP. Therefore, rejecting at the SMTP level will ultimately cause the ISP to be a source of backscatter (i.e. not receiving messages directly), which he/she can not reject. This conclustion was gathered based on content of the last response which was: My IntranetServer is downloading the messages fine, it is only, because I do not like unwanted CC's in my public E-Mail... and Hmmm I will ask my Hosting-Provider to install a filter which reject ANY messages CC'ed to me... That tells me he/she does not have direct access to rejecting messages at SMTP time. Therefore, linux4michelle has no real control over SMTP level filtering.,
Re: German for the backscatter-plagued (was: an OT thread)
Hi *;
Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann:
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote:
I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers
change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{
DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG.
I send such crap directly back if they come from unknown hosts.
It's German, This is a warning only. Uppercase yelling style. ;)
I guess the mail has been deferred for a couple hours, and you'll get
another bounce with German text in a few days.
[ STDIN ]---
:0
* $ ! grep $DOMAIN ~/.tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.white
* ^To:.*(linux4michelle|michelle\.konzack|erotic4michelle)@freenet\.de
* ^From:.*(MAILER-DAEMON|postmaster)
* ! ^From:.*pinguin-hosting\.de
* ! ^From:.*tamay-dogan\.net
{
TMP_FROM=`formail -czx To:`
TMP_TO=`formail -r -t -czx To: |sed 's|.*@|@|'`
:0
* ! ^X-Loop:.*NET_backscatter
{
:0fw
| (formail -I Return-Path: -r -t -k \
-a Message-ID: \
-I Return-Path: \
-I From: ${TMP_FROM} \
-I To: abuse${TMP_TO}, postmaster${TMP_TO} \
-I Date: `date --rfc-822` \
-I User-Agent: tdtools-procmail v2.0.0 \
-I Mime-Version: 1.0 \
-I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \
-I Content-Disposition: inline \
-A X-Loop: NET_backscatter |tdmimepacker
--msg=~/tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.txt)
:0c
|sendmail -t
}
:0
.ATTENTION.FLT_backscatter/
}
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Re: German for the backscatter-plagued
Michelle Konzack a écrit :
Hi *;
Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann:
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote:
I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers
change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{
DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG.
I send such crap directly back if they come from unknown hosts.
It's German, This is a warning only. Uppercase yelling style. ;)
I guess the mail has been deferred for a couple hours, and you'll get
another bounce with German text in a few days.
[ STDIN ]---
:0
* $ ! grep $DOMAIN ~/.tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.white
* ^To:.*(linux4michelle|michelle\.konzack|erotic4michelle)@freenet\.de
* ^From:.*(MAILER-DAEMON|postmaster)
* ! ^From:.*pinguin-hosting\.de
* ! ^From:.*tamay-dogan\.net
{
TMP_FROM=`formail -czx To:`
TMP_TO=`formail -r -t -czx To: |sed 's|.*@|@|'`
:0
* ! ^X-Loop:.*NET_backscatter
{
:0fw
| (formail -I Return-Path: -r -t -k \
-a Message-ID: \
-I Return-Path: \
-I From: ${TMP_FROM} \
-I To: abuse${TMP_TO}, postmaster${TMP_TO} \
-I Date: `date --rfc-822` \
-I User-Agent: tdtools-procmail v2.0.0 \
-I Mime-Version: 1.0 \
-I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \
-I Content-Disposition: inline \
-A X-Loop: NET_backscatter |tdmimepacker
--msg=~/tdtools-procmail/NET_backscatter.txt)
:0c
|sendmail -t
}
:0
.ATTENTION.FLT_backscatter/
}
that's bad. you're contributing to backscatter. if you don't reject at
smtp time, don't bounce (unless you really know the domain you bounce
was involved).
