Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Alan Munday wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote the following on 06/12/2006 17:31: Is a migration document really necessary? Stop using the rule files you got via RDJ that you now want to get with sa-update. Start using sa-update for those rule files. Have some lunch. Agreed - I do like to lunch. Though the last time I counted there are 26 rulesets on the SARE site but only 20 on your channels page. I don't have a channels page. I will in the future, but it's way down the list of things to do. My howto says: Channels names are created by prepending the .cf file name found on the SARE site (http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm) to .sare.sa-update.dostech.net. It has no mention of there only being a subset of the rules available. They're all there, even some old ones that aren't listed on the rules page anymore. The current count is one hundred (100) channels, some of which are pretty much useless though, as they're rules for old versions of SA. If you want to confirm I have a ruleset, either check DNS, or do what a good 75% of the people currently using the channels have done and check out the index of the directory housing all the channels: http://daryl.dostech.ca/sa-update/sare/ A migration document which covers why this is the case and what to do about the other rulesets covered by RDJ or there status as they are added to the number of rulesets that can be updated via sa-update may be very useful. As a said before, the only channels that aren't currently provided are ones for Bill Stearns rules and I think at least some of those are used for input to SURBL anyway. So: - it's not really the case - new SARE rulesets are added immediately (as in less than 5 minutes) Feel free, though, to edit the SpamAssassin wiki to improve the documentation there as you see fit. This and my last two emails to this thread should have all the necessary info. Daryl
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dos]$ grep CF_URLS\[ rules_du_jour | grep -v RULESEMPORIUM CF_URLS[7]=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkettler/sa/antidrug.cf; antidrug.cf isn't being updated ever again and it's not for use with SA 3.x or later (which excludes it's usefulness with sa-update). *AND* Antidrug.cf does NOT live of comcast.net anymore. I announced it's new home well over a month ago. I'll be posting a file that will cause errors in your config if you download it from the comcast site RealSoonNow, because eventually I'm going to cancel that account. After I cancel it, I can't ensure that it won't be taken over by someone malicious, so I really think it's best to ensure folks stop downloading that file ASAP. http://mysite.verizon.net/mkettler_sa/antidrug.cf
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote the following on 06/12/2006 00:31: Advantage over sa-update? Other than the issue with 3.1.6 (only), there shouldn't be any issues with how sa-update lints rules. This is not obvious as there is no mention of linting in the docs http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-update.html If so is there a migration guide somewhere on moving from RDJ to sa-update? - remove existing SARE rules from wherever you've got them - decide on which provider of the SARE channel(s) you're going to use - follow that providers directions And while there is good information on using sa-update for SARE rules, there don't appear to be any references on how-to migrate to it from RDJ. The only other thing (AFAIK) that would hold someone from moving is that RDJ still covers some rule sets that are not available via sa-update. Alan
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Alan Munday wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote the following on 06/12/2006 00:31: Advantage over sa-update? Other than the issue with 3.1.6 (only), there shouldn't be any issues with how sa-update lints rules. This is not obvious as there is no mention of linting in the docs http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-update.html This isn't aimed at you in particular, but why does it seem that a really large number of people assume that sa-update isn't going to work correctly, or well, by default? Is it their past experience with the quality of SpamAssassin or other open source software? If so is there a migration guide somewhere on moving from RDJ to sa-update? - remove existing SARE rules from wherever you've got them - decide on which provider of the SARE channel(s) you're going to use - follow that providers directions And while there is good information on using sa-update for SARE rules, there don't appear to be any references on how-to migrate to it from RDJ. Is a migration document really necessary? Stop using the rule files you got via RDJ that you now want to get with sa-update. Start using sa-update for those rule files. Have some lunch. The only other thing (AFAIK) that would hold someone from moving is that RDJ still covers some rule sets that are not available via sa-update. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dos]$ grep CF_URLS\[ rules_du_jour | grep -v RULESEMPORIUM CF_URLS[7]=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkettler/sa/antidrug.cf; CF_URLS[9]=http://www.sa-blacklist.stearns.org/sa-blacklist/sa-blacklist.current;; CF_URLS[10]=http://www.sa-blacklist.stearns.org/sa-blacklist/sa-blacklist.current.uri.cf;; CF_URLS[11]=http://www.sa-blacklist.stearns.org/sa-blacklist/random.current.cf;; CF_URLS[69]=http://sa.zmi.at/rulesets/70_zmi_german.cf;; antidrug.cf isn't being updated ever again and it's not for use with SA 3.x or later (which excludes it's usefulness with sa-update). I haven't talked to Bill Stearns about him publishing channels for his rulesets or having me provide channels for him. Unlike the next ruleset though, no one has asked me to do so. There is a channel setup for Michael Monnerie's 70_zmi_german.cf ruleset. He just wants to play around with it first to see how it all works before making it public. Daryl
RE: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Bazooka Joe wrote: rules_du_jour seems to fail on lint. I am trying to figure that out now but I have a different question. Has channels replaced rules_du_jour? Should I be using something else to update my sare rules? thx -bazooka ps I am using SpamAssassin 3.1.4 pps below are the lint errors if anyone has come across it before I delve into it. Lint output: [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: html [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: headmeta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 8.0 /meta name=CODE_LANGUAGE content=C [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: meta name=keywords content=emporium,rule,school,supply,bulletin,board,back,to,list,3 [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: meta name=description content=child art teacher supply classroom store discount boat part propeller I ran into this problem a while back when the RDJ update site had some problems. What happens is that a placeholder or 404 page gets downloaded to the rule file. To fix it, just empty the RDJ working directory and force it to download all of the rules again. On my machine, the directory is /etc/mail/spamassassin/RulesDuJour. So just do this: rm /etc/mail/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/* (assuming your directory is located in the same place as mine) And then run rules_du_jour again and it should work fine. -- Bowie
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Thx Bowie That fixed rdj. But what about channels? Is that to replace rdj? -bazooka On 12/5/06, Bowie Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: rules_du_jour seems to fail on lint. I am trying to figure that out now but I have a different question. Has channels replaced rules_du_jour? Should I be using something else to update my sare rules? thx -bazooka ps I am using SpamAssassin 3.1.4 pps below are the lint errors if anyone has come across it before I delve into it. Lint output: [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: html [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: headmeta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 8.0 /meta name=CODE_LANGUAGE content=C [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: meta name=keywords content=emporium,rule,school,supply,bulletin,board,back,to,list,3 [29533] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping: meta name=description content=child art teacher supply classroom store discount boat part propeller I ran into this problem a while back when the RDJ update site had some problems. What happens is that a placeholder or 404 page gets downloaded to the rule file. To fix it, just empty the RDJ working directory and force it to download all of the rules again. On my machine, the directory is /etc/mail/spamassassin/RulesDuJour. So just do this: rm /etc/mail/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/* (assuming your directory is located in the same place as mine) And then run rules_du_jour again and it should work fine. -- Bowie
RE: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Bazooka Joe wrote: Thx Bowie That fixed rdj. But what about channels? Is that to replace rdj? Yes, you can replace RDJ with the sa-update channels. I am still using RDJ for rule updates, so I can't help you with the channel configuration. -- Bowie
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Bowie Bailey wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Thx Bowie That fixed rdj. But what about channels? Is that to replace rdj? Yes, you can replace RDJ with the sa-update channels. I am still using RDJ for rule updates, so I can't help you with the channel configuration. Are you sure? I'm using both and I don't see any duplication of score hits. For instance, what is the SA equivalent to 70_sare_stocks.cf? -- René Berber
RE: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
René Berber wrote: Bowie Bailey wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Thx Bowie That fixed rdj. But what about channels? Is that to replace rdj? Yes, you can replace RDJ with the sa-update channels. I am still using RDJ for rule updates, so I can't help you with the channel configuration. Are you sure? I'm using both and I don't see any duplication of score hits. For instance, what is the SA equivalent to 70_sare_stocks.cf? By default, there is no duplication. sa-update will update only the stock rules. However, there have been additional channels created for sa-update to allow it to update the SARE rules as well. You just add the ones you want to your sa-update channels file. See the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/SareChannels -- Bowie
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Bowie Bailey wrote: René Berber wrote: [snip] Are you sure? I'm using both and I don't see any duplication of score hits. For instance, what is the SA equivalent to 70_sare_stocks.cf? By default, there is no duplication. sa-update will update only the stock rules. However, there have been additional channels created for sa-update to allow it to update the SARE rules as well. You just add the ones you want to your sa-update channels file. See the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/SareChannels Thanks for the clarification. -- René Berber
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
By default, there is no duplication. sa-update will update only the stock rules. However, there have been additional channels created for sa-update to allow it to update the SARE rules as well. You just add the ones you want to your sa-update channels file. One advantage RDJ seems to have is that it won't leave you in the situation of a non functional SA because your updated rules don't lint. If using sa-update for SARE rules, are these stored in the same location as the originals or are they downloaded to the /var/lib/spamassassin tree? If so is there a migration guide somewhere on moving from RDJ to sa-update? Alan
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Alan Munday wrote: By default, there is no duplication. sa-update will update only the stock rules. However, there have been additional channels created for sa-update to allow it to update the SARE rules as well. You just add the ones you want to your sa-update channels file. One advantage RDJ seems to have is that it won't leave you in the situation of a non functional SA because your updated rules don't lint. Advantage over sa-update? Other than the issue with 3.1.6 (only), there shouldn't be any issues with how sa-update lints rules. I think the only way you'll end up without a working ruleset is if problems with the file system containing your local state directory start occurring half way through the update process. At that point, a working SA ruleset probably won't be your main concern. If using sa-update for SARE rules, are these stored in the same location as the originals or are they downloaded to the /var/lib/spamassassin tree? What originals? SARE rules you saved somewhere (probably /etc/mail/spamassassin)? If yes, you'll want to remove those before switching to getting SARE rules via sa-update. All rules obtained via sa-update will be stored under your local state directory which is often /var/lib/spamassassin. If so is there a migration guide somewhere on moving from RDJ to sa-update? - remove existing SARE rules from wherever you've got them - decide on which provider of the SARE channel(s) you're going to use - follow that providers directions See this wiki page for about the same info: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/SareChannels Here's my how to on it: http://daryl.dostech.ca/sa-update/sare/sare-sa-update-howto.txt Daryl
Re: rules_du_jour not working confusion?
Bazooka Joe wrote: rules_du_jour seems to fail on lint. I am trying to figure that out now but I have a different question. Has channels replaced rules_du_jour? Should I be using something else to update my sare rules? thx -bazooka ps I am using SpamAssassin 3.1.4 pps below are the lint errors if anyone has come across it before I delve into it. [snip] Do your current rules pass a lint test? -- Steve
